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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2018, 03:15:14 am »
They've been promising this for some time.
I have used Lubuntu in the past as a way to keep my gasoline-powered hp mini alive. Fortunately I found Peppermint.
One more distro abandoning us 32-bit folks who can't afford hew hardware.

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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2018, 10:07:02 am »
So what is the next move for peppermint? Moving up to straight up XFCE?

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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2018, 10:19:18 am »
So what is the next move for peppermint?

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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2018, 01:31:02 pm »
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So what is the next move for peppermint?

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If you dealing with genetic elements in the species Drosophila melanogaster, you're dealing with some heavy stuff there, PCNetSpec.  That's a big, BIG, move for Peppermint -- exciting, but kinda scary too! ;D

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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 01:36:26 pm »
I'm so lost.

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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2018, 02:58:18 pm »
I'm so lost.

Me too -- haven't a clue!

I think PCNetSpec was kidding  kidding around with his answer.  So, for fun, I acted as if I knew what he was talking about.  (He usually keeps the future direction of Peppermint very close to the vest.)

 But, won't LXDE's code still be available?  Then again, there will be an active Ubuntu MATE and an active Ubuntu Xfce to draw from too.  Hmm, I wonder. :-\

stevesveryown, you asked an interesting question. ;)
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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2018, 03:47:44 pm »


I'm so lost.

Me too -- haven't a clue!

I think PCNetSpec was kidding  kidding around with his answer.  So, for fun, I acted as if I knew what he was talking about.  (He usually keeps the future direction of Peppermint very close to the vest.)

 But, won't LXDE's code still be available?  Then again, there will be an active Ubuntu MATE and an active Ubuntu Xfce to draw from too.  Hmm, I wonder. :-\

stevesveryown, you asked an interesting question. ;)

It will be an interesting road, which he has lead us well this far. I consider myself an experienced noob. Where the guts of an os is concerened I claim complete ignorance.

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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2018, 04:19:45 pm »
As long as it still powers my flux capacitor, then I'll be happy.
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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2018, 05:02:10 pm »
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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2018, 09:13:39 pm »
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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2018, 04:11:27 am »
Well what did you expect, secrets or something ?

I've repeatedly said it's HIGHLY unlikely we'll go Qt, I (and even KDE fans if they're telling the truth) think theming in Qt/KDE sucks and is a major weak point .. have you ever noticed ALL KDE distros use "Breeze" because it's the ONLY good theme ?

I've tried to make sense of theming in LXQt and KDE and can't .. it's scattered all over the place and makes no sense.

I'm not anti-Qt (specially now Plasma has shed weight), but they'd NEED to sort out theming before I'd consider it, but in fact they seem to be making it worse not better .. you used to be able to get Gtk themes to work in KDE (to an extent) but they've removed that now.

Because of that, KDE looks the same no matter what the distro.

No matter how much Lubuntu and the LXQt devs chuck the word "modular"about,  it is NOT modular if you can't get consistent theming .. this is one of the things I hate about snaps/flatpaks .. am I the only one that thinks consistent theming still matters ?

I'm certainly n ot seeing LXQt as more modular than LXDE .. in fact less so if you take theming into consideration.

I've watched with horror people suggest ElementaryOS is one of (if not the) best looking, to me they were the first distro to mess up theming where some apps open with a dark theme and others with a light one .. then Gnome went all stupid with client side decorations which meant apps could now have their theme set by the app dev rather than honouring the system theme, then snap/flatpak decided to use the Gnome client side decorations taking it a step further where the apps now absolutely COULDN'T honour system theming.
(Oh, and now KDE/Plasma have also taken to mixing light panels with dark themes ::))

I constantly hear (from KDE fans/devs) one of the main reasons Razor/LXDE went to Qt was because Gnome kept breaking theming with Gtk iterations and I kinda agree it's a pain, but I'm not seeing anything better from Qt. Sure Qt don't break backwards compatibility with themes but they're not breaking something that is crap in the first place and absolutely SHOULD be broken for a fresh start.

I'm also having a hard time seeing the purpose of LXQt :-\ .. LXDE's raison d'ętre was to be lighter than other DE's but without loosing too much in functionality, but LXQt is struggling to be lighter than Plasma which is MUCH richer in terms of functionality, or Xfce on the Gtk side which again is more feature rich.

If I were a cynic I might think it's almost as if they're trying to make this inconsistent theming look the "norm" to cover up the weaknesses in snaps/flatpak and client side decorations.
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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2018, 09:16:16 am »
PCNetSpec,

I've never been a fan of Elementary, nor KDE. One you can't customize much, the other too much and you are so right about theming. Since you are chef, cook and  bottle washer we minions leave this wonderful distro in your well capable hands.

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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2018, 09:32:02 am »
hmmmm..... i dunno..... I really like xfce.... I really like the mix peppermint brings with it too.
But I like xcfe so much so I go out and run the installation just to get the other stuff not included in peppermint.
For example, I don't like nemo that much I prefer Thunar.  and I like their terminal emulator over sakura
nothing too deep, just some small preferences.

Also: I don't uninstall nothing either ----Don't want to break anything----   ;) I just leave nemo and sakura in place and make custom launchers for Thunar and xfce terminal..


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Re: Lubuntu going LXQt
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2018, 03:57:55 am »
So, Lubuntu is not only going LXQt, but it's planning on ditching xorg and go wayland... sooner or latter  ::)
https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-development-newsletter-9/
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