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Title: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: rickc on January 10, 2018, 05:40:15 am
I've really got to like Gnome. but I haven't found the right distro to implement it.

Ubuntu Gnome is discontinued. Ubuntu 17.10 is buggy, although the first long term release should be better.

I've been using Antergos for a month, loved it at first, but without having installed anything other than Chrome, it's already getting glitchy.   Installing Gnome in distros such as linux mint is very problematic, I'm told.

Once again I'm back to the same conclusion I've had for ages now, that Peppermint is the most solid OS there is.   Unfortunately for me, the DE ain't Gnome...

I'm probably being really cheeky even asking, but is there any chance of Gnome edition of Peppermint?
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: Crazy Tux on January 10, 2018, 06:38:04 am
Did you tried Fedora or OpenSuse???

Also remember this, you're not quit correct with your opinion about Ubuntu 17.10. It's correctto say that 17.10 is a "īn-between" Ubuntu version but it doesn't mean it is completly buggy. One factor that makes your operating system buggy is your desktop system or laptop. If you are using hardware which contains some small (factory production) mistakes/errors/issues, (as example faulty condenser on your motherboard or a badly produced not dectected hard drive) this will have it's own affect on the operating system as well. With Ubuntu it is better to wait for the LTS version since this version will be supported for a couple of years giving the developers time to resolve issues.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: Slim.Fatz on January 10, 2018, 10:29:45 am
I'm probably being really cheeky even asking, but is there any chance of Gnome edition of Peppermint?
Hi rickc,

I am pretty sure that the chances of PeppermintOS coming out with a Gnome edition are zero (or less  :P ). The reasons are: 1) PeppermintOS is made by a very small team and we do not have the human resources available to do this; and 2) Gnome is much too heavy for a distro like PeppermintOS (in other words: it just does not fit into our philosophy about how this distro should be).

Your only real option is to try to install it yourself, but I would not advise this unless you really know what you are doing!  ;) If you nevertheless decide to go that route then be informed that probably no one on the team can really help you very much if you run into trouble.

Regards,

-- Slim

Reason for edit: grammatical error corrected.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: rickc on January 10, 2018, 04:18:33 pm
Did you tried Fedora or OpenSuse???

Also remember this, you're not quit correct with your opinion about Ubuntu 17.10. It's correctto say that 17.10 is a "īn-between" Ubuntu version but it doesn't mean it is completly buggy. One factor that makes your operating system buggy is your desktop system or laptop. If you are using hardware which contains some small (factory production) mistakes/errors/issues, (as example faulty condenser on your motherboard or a badly produced not dectected hard drive) this will have it's own affect on the operating system as well. With Ubuntu it is better to wait for the LTS version since this version will be supported for a couple of years giving the developers time to resolve issues.

I can't get on with Fedora at all for some reason, and I found OpenSuse a bit slow.   The gnome experience on Ubuntu Gnome was faster.  Yeah, the LTS may be a good option for me.   I don't think my Dell Latitude is the problem, it certainly runs Peppermint flawlessly!

I think because of smart phones etc, I simply do less now on my laptop then ever before.   A nice browsing experience, work stuff, a DE I like that's fast and professional looking....that's all I need these days.   
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: tetricky on January 10, 2018, 06:21:48 pm
I'm out of step with most of the rest of the world.  I like Gnome. I like that I can support users (write cross platform user guides) with potentially different underlying OS's depending on role, support requirements, and age.

Consider Debian Stretch. It's very current, and will be as stable as a stable thing for years (but will gradually fall behind the leading edge the longer you use it). It's hard for me to judge how fast/slow it is.  On this machine there is absolutely no slowdown of anything (but it's a very capable machine). If you need something more corporate, well out of date, but equally stable - and RPM based (and potentially the same platform as your webhosting or VPS), with a potential support option, then possibly Centos 7 (this is an edge useage case, I might be the only one...).

I'm currently debian on the desktop (it's more up to date AND more stable than Ubuntu 16.04), peppermint on the laptop. Centos in the cloud. I started on Suze, never got on with it. I'm currently using fedora atomic for K8's cluster builds. I find fedora itself a bit unfinished sometimes, and I have grown wary of rolling update distributions because it seems that something is always broken (it might be me).

This is the great thing for me about linux, you can tailor the tools to the job.

Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: zebedeeboss on January 11, 2018, 12:55:35 am
I've really got to like Gnome. but I haven't found the right distro to implement it.

Ubuntu Gnome is discontinued. Ubuntu 17.10 is buggy, although the first long term release should be better.

I've been using Antergos for a month, loved it at first, but without having installed anything other than Chrome, it's already getting glitchy.   Installing Gnome in distros such as linux mint is very problematic, I'm told.

Once again I'm back to the same conclusion I've had for ages now, that Peppermint is the most solid OS there is.   Unfortunately for me, the DE ain't Gnome...

I'm probably being really cheeky even asking, but is there any chance of Gnome edition of Peppermint?

Give Solus Gnome a try  (but be aware their software repository is limited when compared to other "Mainstream" Distributions)

ps see you back on Peppermint REAL soon   :D  :D  :D   there is no substitute
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: pin on January 11, 2018, 06:20:51 am
Coming from me, this is quite obvious but,... here we go!
If you have the patience and time to do it, you could try Void linux, it has gnome 3.26.0 in the repos.
Now, there's no gnome ISO available. You have to do a base install, followed by Xorg and then gnome.

As Zeb said, seen you soon again here in Peppermint!
...or maybe, seen you soon on the other side, i.e Void

Regards
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 11, 2018, 10:06:35 am
is there any chance of Gnome edition of Peppermint?

Afraid not my friend, not without some kind of seismic shift in our ethos.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: christianvl on January 11, 2018, 03:40:01 pm
Did you tried Fedora or OpenSuse???

I can't get on with Fedora at all for some reason, and I found OpenSuse a bit slow.   The gnome experience on Ubuntu Gnome was faster.  Yeah, the LTS may be a good option for me.   I don't think my Dell Latitude is the problem, it certainly runs Peppermint flawlessly!

I think because of smart phones etc, I simply do less now on my laptop then ever before.   A nice browsing experience, work stuff, a DE I like that's fast and professional looking....that's all I need these days.

Lot's of options for you to try. Mageia, Manjaro and Sabayon are very different from each other and all have Gnome editions.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: rickc on June 19, 2018, 04:20:30 pm
Been enjoying MX linux, which works well with Gnome.    Been using it for some months now, and I've found it very stable.  So instead of dual booting with windows, I'm now triple booting. Gnome is great (once you've fine tuned it) - but the speed of Peppermint with ICE still makes this the best distro for browsing

So I'm no longer frustrated - I can scratch my gnome itch when I like and stay here too. All good :)

On the less good side, I test drove Ubuntu 18 LTS and found it quite slow and buggy.  It's not a great implementation of Gnome imo, although I accept it's horrible everywhere until you tweak it extensively.  I think it feels rushed.

Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 19, 2018, 05:55:10 pm
Ubuntu 18.04 is one of those distro's where some people seem to love their Gnome implementation and others hate it .. Marmite springs to mind.
(except I like Marmite:)))
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: The PoorGuy on June 20, 2018, 12:00:23 pm
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Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: perknh on December 25, 2018, 08:48:19 am
I looked at Ubuntu's 18.10 GNOME distro yesterday for about an hour, and I got pretty frustrated with it quite quickly.  I wanted to move an old wallpaper from an external hard drive to its backgrounds folder, but then realized GNOME is very difficult to open as root. (I got nothing out of right clicking.)  I'm sure that's by design to protect against someone tampering with your OS, but for me it was just a little too much. 

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu is a nice distribution, but GNOME is a study all on its own.  I really do find an Xfce interface a much simpler interface to work with.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: pin on December 25, 2018, 10:07:14 am
Hi perknh,
You can always do it from the CLI  ;)
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 25, 2018, 03:02:30 pm
Yeah but why should you have to .. they've dumbed it down to the lowest common denominator .. making it an anathema for most 'Linux' users, who prefer power over simplicity.

Gnome IMHO are heading towards making the desktop 'device' like.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: perknh on December 25, 2018, 05:07:15 pm
I'm embarrassed to say I've never moved a folder from an external device to a folder via the terminal, and I use the terminal a lot.  That said, I haven't learned how to move things from point A to point B yet through commands -- but using root, yes!

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Gnome IMHO are heading towards making the desktop 'device' like. -- PCNetSpec

Off topic:

I know the topic is GNOME, but this comment reminds me of the Linux distribution called CloudReady.  CloudReady (a Chromium OS) is good in the sense that you can salvage old devices that have been running Chrome OS from going to the landfill, but it's also a very limited OS too.  Now, I'm sure in more capable hands, it can do more than I can do with it -- GNOME too -- but I feel like I've got handcuffs on when playing with these distributions.  Still, they're good enough and secure enough for the needs of many users.  ;)

Way off topic:

I wish Firefox would create its own OS.  That would be cool.

Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 25, 2018, 05:12:10 pm
I think oin meant you should open the filemanager with elevated privileges from the terminal
Code: [Select]
sudo nautilus
then use that file manager instance to access part of the system that require elevated privileges.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: perknh on December 25, 2018, 05:41:03 pm
Thank you, PCNetSpec.  I've heard of nautilus.  I wonder if GNOME and its derivatives -- Pantheon and Cinnamon -- are taking over  DEs in Linux.  I'm hoping Xfce will continue to hold its own.  It seems like when a distro has a set of DEs to choose from, Xfce is almost always among them. :)

Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 25, 2018, 07:31:31 pm
Nautilus is (and always has been (AFAIK) the default file manager in Gnome.

If you count 'number of distros using a DE' I'd say Xfce is a clear winner. But if you're counting 'user numbers' I'd say Gnome has it .. purely because Ubuntu use it and they're likely bigger than all other distros put together (as far as the desktop goes).

Not to mention, Redhat, Fedora, and Suse also default to it.

As for is Gnome taking over DE's .. not really, they still probably hold the same position they have for years, ahead of KDE as far as holding the big distro names .. but KDE and Xfce aren't going anywhere.

It might be interesting to know though which DE is preferred by Linux system admins that install a GUI on a server .. I'd seriously expect most don't for security and stability reasons, but some will and I'd expect them to go for something light and functional over heavy and pretty.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: rayzer on March 01, 2019, 01:26:21 pm
i used to like gnome, except i kept getting an issue where any opened applications just had a solid blue colour throughout the window and i couldnt do anything because controls werent visible. happened on a few different pcs too, i eventually just moved to lxde and now xfce
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: perknh on March 01, 2019, 03:27:57 pm
i used to like gnome, except i kept getting an issue where any opened applications just had a solid blue colour throughout the window and i couldnt do anything because controls werent visible. happened on a few different pcs too, i eventually just moved to lxde and now xfce

The pitch I hear for GNOME all the time is that GNOME gets out of the way.  But for me personally, I haven't found GNOME to be any easier, or any more user-friendly, than Xfce.  Xfce never gets in my way either.  In fact, I jump through fewer rings using Xfce than I do when I'm playing with GNOME.  The clock, for example, is something I personally would like to be able to see.  IMO, our LCD clock puts GNOME's clock to shame. ;)
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: VinDSL on March 01, 2019, 04:29:18 pm
The pitch I hear for GNOME all the time is that GNOME gets out of the way.

I experimented with GNOME for a long time, when I was involved with Ubuntu GNOME3 staging.

It's a different mindset, requiring a whole new toolset, and frankly, most ppl just don't get it.

My analogy would be, tricycle vs bicycle. And, yes, bikes are much preferable to trikes, once you get used to them.  ;)

After you learn to ride GNOME, you don't have to think about it.  It just magically steers where you want it to go.

One of the complaints I used to hear about Unity (GNOME-based) was, you're stuck with the UI - it isn't customizable. LoL

I was running 9 active desktops on Unity in 2011 on my 32-bit MM box, by haxoring the GNOME unpinnings:


(http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-desktop-17-oct-2011-2.png)


I wouldn't even know where to start doing something like this, in 2019, on Xfce. Bikes n' trikes...  ;D
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: perknh on March 01, 2019, 05:03:34 pm
I'm not a GNOME hater, but, for starters, I wish its panel were more configurable.  Also, and this could just be me, if anything's going to go wrong, it will go wrong within Ubuntu's GNOME DE -- just like it always did within Unity before it.  I actually like the look of GNOME, but then I like how Xfce looks too.

Funny story:  I bought an old copy of Carolyn Z. Gillay's Linux User's Guide that featured the GNOME desktop.  Only problem is, that old book was featuring GNOME 2!  ::) & :o & ;D

P.S. 

Personally, I like GNOME 3 better than MATE.  ;)
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 01, 2019, 05:25:58 pm
I'll stay outa this, I don't wanna be seen taking the pee outa the Gnome devs deafness and slow slide into senility.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: VinDSL on March 01, 2019, 05:36:42 pm
Bwahahahahahaha  ;D







Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: christianvl on March 03, 2019, 06:02:02 am
I'm a bit late for this discussion... I have experimented with lots of DEs and I believe that all offerings are great, to the point that I feel like my distro hopping have been seriously aggravated.

IMO Gnome is very good. I feel I'm very productive using it as I'm less distracted by the interface. The panel can be satisfactorily tweaked with extensions (yes, they may break from one version to another, but you can avoid that sticking to "stable" distro releases).

KDE is another favorite for different reasons. Looks and performs great while letting me easily configure everything.

Now Peppermint, that's on another level. That's the only partition I'm never replacing.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: VinDSL on March 03, 2019, 04:07:51 pm
IMO Gnome is very good. I feel I'm very productive using it as I'm less distracted by the interface. The panel can be satisfactorily tweaked with extensions (yes, they may break from one version to another, but you can avoid that sticking to "stable" distro releases).

The voice of reason... Thank you. Exactly!

GNOME is what it is, but it's also what one makes of it.

Now Peppermint, that's on another level. That's the only partition I'm never replacing.

#MeToo

Talking about GNOME, as much as I like it on the desktop, IMO it's ill-suited for mobile usage, for a number of reasons.

That's where Canonical went wrong - trying to meld the two...

Peppermint OS, on the other hand, covers all the bases equally well.
Title: Re: Gnome desktop - my frustration
Post by: VinDSL on March 03, 2019, 04:35:28 pm
GNOME is what it is, but it's also what one makes of it.

If you'll pardon me for quoting myself; while I was typing that...

I remembered that when Unity (GNOME-based) first came out, everyone was bitching and crying about Canonical placing the supposedly unmovable/unmutable panel on the left side of the screen. So I haxored Unity, using GNOME as a development tool, and placed it on the bottom.


(http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-desktop-1-dec-2011-2.png)


This butt-fugly demonstration shut them all up, over on the Ubuntu site. LoL  :D