Peppermint OS Community Forum

General => GNU/Linux Discussion => Topic started by: perknh on August 21, 2016, 04:23:14 pm

Title: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on August 21, 2016, 04:23:14 pm
Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination

By Ewan Spence, contributor to Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2016/08/21/samsung-galaxy-android-google-fights-apple-iphone/#4689cf307e42 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2016/08/21/samsung-galaxy-android-google-fights-apple-iphone/#4689cf307e42)

This is an interesting take on things --market share versus profit share.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on August 21, 2016, 11:14:42 pm
Meh.  I use Android on an LG phone.  I don't really care about market shares.  It does what I need it to do and it's not made by Apple. (I don't like them any more than I do Microsoft)  Their store sales definitely make up a lot of what they have.  iOS can only install apps from Apple's app store, ensuring that they get a cut of every app and in app purchase transaction.  It's a tidy arrangement and not at all how Android works.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: emegra on August 22, 2016, 01:45:48 am
I don't care much for Android or IOS to be honest in fact I don't care much for smartphones in general, I have a wee Samsung Galaxy Ace bundled with a load of preinstalled apps I neither want or need nor can remove.

My next phone is definitely gonna be an Ubuntu phone they may be lacking in choice of apps (at the moment) but at least the apps I will have on it will be of my choosing not chosen for me

Profit & market share may be important to Samsung & Apple but for me it's all about freedom



Graeme
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on August 22, 2016, 08:05:44 am
I would think that new features developed for the top-end phones would eventually find their way to the low-budget phones.  What I am seeing however, is that more and more young people are using iPhones.  I've also discovered that it costing me the same to use a smart phone as it is to use a so-called dumb phone, so that's one reason why I made the switch. (I use Boost Mobile in the United States.)

The most important reason why I carry a smart phone is for two apps --the weather app and a privacy flashlight app.  (Apparently flashlight apps have proven themselves to be particularly nefarious apps in regards to snooping and privacy.) Also I found, since I've begun using using the Z Launcher Beta from Nokia, my Galaxy S3 phone has become much more user-friendly.  I just scribble a letter or two on the screen for who or what I've looking for, and then who or what I'm looking for appears correctly on the screen nearly all of the time.  This means that using an Android phone has now gone from being a nearly insufferable experience to being a pleasant one most of the time.  ;)

As for Ubuntu phones, I haven't seen one here in the US, and I don't know if they are CDMA or GSM based.  Boost Mobile, at present, only supports CDMA phones.  I've never seen an American carrier sell or advertise Ubuntu phones. :(

 
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on August 22, 2016, 10:02:23 am
I would think that new features developed for the top-end phones would eventually find their way to the low-budget phones.

They do, eventually.  It's like that with any tech.  The latest is only the latest for a little while, then everybody has it.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on August 22, 2016, 02:27:24 pm
I would think that new features developed for the top-end phones would eventually find their way to the low-budget phones.

They do, eventually.  It's like that with any tech.  The latest is only the latest for a little while, then everybody has it.

Then I intend to stay with the low-budget phones.  When you think about it, they're still amazing devices.  Besides that, I just can't see myself ever spending $600-$875 for a phone that will be worth $150-$200 in a couple of years.  Three years ago this coming November I paid half price, in a holiday sale, for my wife's $350 Galaxy 2 Straight Talk phone from Walmart's website.  The thing could never be updated beyond Gingerbread, and the phone certainly isn't worth much any longer.  Unlike Apple, which keeps all its OSes on its iPhones up-to date, Android phones become has-beens in a couple of years.  (This is one thing I really don't like about Android phones --closing off updates to the OSes after a year or two.*)

*  Maybe Google's Nexus Android phones are the exception to this rule of thumb, though I'm not absolutely certain about this.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on August 22, 2016, 03:36:36 pm
iOS can only install apps from Apple's app store, ensuring that they get a cut of every app and in app purchase transaction.  It's a tidy arrangement and not at all how Android works.

So what are some good non-Google sources of Android apps?
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on August 22, 2016, 07:45:09 pm
Yeah, pretty much any major tech advancements will eventually trickle down to the lower budget phones.  For example, my LG phone was $70 and has a quad core processor.  I'm sure it took a while for a quad core to make it to a phone that inexpensive, but it happened.

So what are some good non-Google sources of Android apps?

Amazon has a good appstore.  It's called Amazon Underground now.  It even has some stuff that's free to play, provided you don't mind data about how it's running (supposedly, no user data) being sent back to Amazon and the app makers.  Or, you can still buy the version that's not like that.  I know Samsung has their own store for their devices, though I never bought anything when I had a Samsung tablet.  I'm not sure what else there is, but I know there are others.  You can also "side load" apps onto Android, buy something (or get it free) from somewhere, download the .apk file and then install it.  Though, it's allegedly not as secure.  (like Google is secure :P)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 22, 2016, 08:10:09 pm
Something (common sense and mathematics) tells me if Samsung weren't the #1 Android OEM .. someone else would be ;)

What I mean is .. If Samsung didn't exist or suddenly disappeared I don't think their users would go Apple/iOS, they're much more likely to go / have gone say Sony / HTC / Google / Motorola / etc. but they'd still be on Android.

[EDIT]

In fact it could be argued that Samsungs dominance of the Android market has left other OEM's with less money to invest in development .. it's impossible to say whether Samsung are "good" or "bad" for Android .. it is what it is.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on August 22, 2016, 08:28:07 pm
Something (common sense and mathematics) tells me if Samsung weren't the #1 Android OEM .. someone else would be ;)

What I mean is .. If Samsung didn't exist or suddenly disappeared I don't think their users would go Apple/iOS, they're much more likely to go / have gone say Sony / HTC / Google / Motorola / etc. but they'd still be on Android.

Good point.  I find it interesting that Google's own Nexus phones are not in the top position of the Android phone world. 
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on August 22, 2016, 09:08:11 pm
It even has some stuff that's free to play, provided you don't mind data about how it's running (supposedly, no user data) being sent back to Amazon and the app makers.
OK, thanks. The thing is I don't like paying for apps (I've got too used to Linux) so I'm determined not to give Google a card number. Amazon have already got my card number for book purposes but when I tried their app store once before I didn't like that I couldn't remove the store app itself without the game I wanted also being removed.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on August 22, 2016, 09:46:50 pm
OK, thanks. The thing is I don't like paying for apps (I've got too used to Linux) so I'm determined not to give Google a card number. Amazon have already got my card number for book purposes but when I tried their app store once before I didn't like that I couldn't remove the store app itself without the game I wanted also being removed.

If you don't have a credit card on file with Amazon, you can set up one-click ordering with a gift card.  (not so much on Google)  At least, that's how it was four years ago.  I don't see why they'd have changed that.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on August 22, 2016, 10:05:36 pm
Yeah, it's not the card thing with Amazon really. It's the fact that they lock any apps you download to make them impossible to use if you delete their app store. I assume that's still how it works, or how else could they gather your data?

I don't have any objection to paying for software in principle. It's just that most of the Android apps I've tried have been pretty underwhelming and it doesn't give me great confidence to try the paid-for ones, plus not wanting to let Google have my payment info.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on August 22, 2016, 11:34:49 pm
Most app stores are going to do that with paid apps.  They don't want you giving away copies, I guess.  It has to be able to access the store and your account to verify that you own it.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: Skara Brae on December 22, 2016, 04:19:50 am
<bump>

Well, I "hate" it that Samsung (and Apple, and Microsoft, and Intel, and Putin, and the NSA, and, and, and...) is so big in the smartphone market.

My first smartphone is the Samsung Galaxy S. I still have it, although I don't really use it anymore.

A couple of years ago I did NOT buy a Samsung on purpose and went for HTC instead. First a "Desire 601", and because I have two SIM cards/phone numbers, I later got a second HTC model: the (gold coloured) "One Mini 2".

I like HTC's "Sense" (version 6, that is). I like the scrolling up/down, instead of left/right. It is my experience that HTC is as good as Samsung.

When I look around at other people with a smartphone, then they either have an iPhone or a Samsung. As if iPhones and Samsungs are all there is...
Barely any of my colleagues at work even know HTC.
I have a sister, and recently she bought a new smartphone. 50% chance you can guess which brand it is, the first time.

I also have an iPhone 4 - but as excuse I bought it second-hand (so, Apple didn't make any money on me :D At least, not with their iPhones), just to see what all that "iPhone fuss" was all about. iOS, although looking and working nice, is boring, and I can change nothing about it. I will never buy another iPhone.

I regret that people aren't more "open-minded" and try other brands (although I understand it). But one or two companies having such a strong market position is a bad thing - just look at the computer desktop culture and Microsoft's near-absolute ruling it.

Perhaps we should be glad that Samsung does not own Android.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on December 22, 2016, 05:47:26 am
<bump>

Well, I "hate" it that Samsung (and Apple, and Microsoft, and Intel, and Putin, and the NSA, and, and, and...) is so big in the smartphone market.

My first smartphone is the Samsung Galaxy S. I still have it, although I don't really use it anymore.

Hi Skara Brae,

My first smartphone was the Samsung Galaxy S too, but I don't use mine any longer as a phone.  In fact, after realizing I was working more for my phone than my phone was working for me, I ditched it as a phone and went back to a dumb phone.  My old dumb phone, a Sanyo Innuendo by Kyocera,  is more than sufficient for my needs.  I actually like the dumb phone better.  The monthly bill is less expensive, fewer people pay any attention to it, the call quality is better, it collects less data, and it's easier to tote around.  I've had it with smart phones --three months of using a smart phone was enough for me.

That said, I still update the Galaxy S every once in a while.  If my computer ever goes down, I have the Samsung Galaxy to back me up as long as I have access to Wi-Fi.  But, no --no more smartphone for me for everyday use.  A smartphone really is a PITA.  I don't miss using it at all.  :o

perknh
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 22, 2016, 11:58:29 am
+1 .. Go perknh!!! (http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys%20Holidays/Patriotic/cheerleader.gif)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on December 22, 2016, 12:36:07 pm
Smartphones are going to be the downfall of society.  It amazes me just how many people are totally dependent on them where I work.  Employees, customers, too many people can't be away from the things for more than two seconds, despite the thousands of years of human history up to their invention.  The world never ended.  Granted, it took longer to figure some stuff out, but it was still possible.  I literally have to avoid people all the time who are in the way on those damn things when I pull freight out to the sales floor, either to work or for someone else to work.  I seriously think the Terminator franchise got it right, the machines are taking over.  They're just not doing it in quite the same manor.  ::)

On the flip side, I use one when I'm shopping quite often.  If I want to buy something and I'm not sure if it's any good, I can pull my phone out of my pocket and look up product reviews. (off to the side, not in the middle of a well traveled aisle) The calculator function also keeps me from paying too much for stuff.  And, I've even used it once to provide customer assistance because I couldn't find what a customer was looking for, so I went to our website to see if we even carried it in the store, which we don't.  However, I can spend long amounts of time without even looking at or thinking of my phone.  I can certainly avoid walking into traffic or having a major accident because I just have to reply to that text.  ::)  (whatever it is, it will wait)  Sometimes, when I'm working, my phone gives me a little alert sound.  However, unlike some people, I can wait until I have a break to pull it out and see what it is.  Usually, it's just an e-mail alert or text anyway.  The people who text me know my work schedule, so they understand when I don't get back to them right away.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 23, 2016, 06:17:16 am
Maybe I'm just an odd case (Mrs says so) .. I work with computers all day so have no need for the distraction of yet another one constantly demanding my attention.

I want a phone for phone calls .. thassit.

That said I do have a cheap smartphone simply because they're now just as cheap as dumb phones .. I just never uuse it for anything except calls (not even set up email, etc.) .. sometimes I wish I hadn't though, battery life sucks compared to my old dumb phones.

I've come to the conclusion they're badly named .. smartphones seem to be making people dumber, in a "I aint gotta lern nuffink, I got Siri/Google" kinda way :))
(Google being one of the few word kids seem to be able to spell these days)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on December 23, 2016, 06:31:19 am
It's handy being able to tether through them if your broadband ever goes down. I've got no time for figuring out the apps and I mostly use mine as an alarm clock though :)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 23, 2016, 06:41:09 am
Got a pre-paid dongle for that and it doesn't need to be kept charged :)

Sh*te battery life for a simple alarm clock wouldn't you agree ;)
(and IIRC most dumb phones could do alarms)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on December 23, 2016, 07:21:21 am
The battery lasts a couple of weeks since i don't make phone calls very often. Depends how quick I turn off the alarm though ;)

The phone would charge while it was tethering anyway, I think, even if it was flat.

I keep seeing guides to get Linux running on a smartphone and I've tried following a couple but couldn't get any to work for me. There wouldn't be much use to it but I'd just like to see it working as a proof of concept.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: rjm65 on December 23, 2016, 08:03:53 am
since the demise of 2g is occurring January 1st, 2017 I was finally forced to buy new phones for me my wife and my mom, well guess what I found 3g and 4g capable nokia flip phones, so I guess I can avoid the smart phone for another several years or so....  I got a nice peppermint red nokia cheap on ebay...  :P
(http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/13458-image/AT-T-Nokia-6555-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on December 23, 2016, 09:10:10 am
I guess I can avoid the smart phone for another several years or so....  I got a nice peppermint red nokia cheap on ebay...  :P
(http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/13458-image/AT-T-Nokia-6555-1.jpg)

Good move, rjm65.  ;) 

As far as I'm concerned, smartphones ________. *

perknh

*Feel free to fill in the blank.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: rjm65 on December 23, 2016, 12:32:10 pm
Price was right also, they were refurbs, all new covers and screens and keypads...  $21.95 free shipping, got a black one for the wife and the red one for myself model 6555... 
Picked up a nice used but in perfect shape nokia 6350 world phone for mom, that guy selling it was nuts, but i bought it from him anyway for $4.50, 3 bucks shipping....  that phone goes on ebay for 40 to 60 dollars, why he sold it for under 5 bucks is beyond me, it works great and has a clean imei.... 
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on December 23, 2016, 01:29:38 pm
The price is right!  ;) 

If you average out the prices, you scored big time with the three phones --somewhere around $11-$12 per phone.  Good for you, rjm65.  :)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on June 15, 2017, 01:34:47 pm
I started this topic nearly a year ago, and Samsung has NOT saved Android from iPhone domination in the US.  The same can be said for LG and Motorola too.  They haven't saved Android here either.  On the other hand, according to the article below, Android is faring much better in Europe and China.

I know I'm seeing more and more people here in Northern New England with iPhones --including younger people.  I suspect that once there are lots and lots of younger people within the iPhone ecosystem, it will be very hard to get them shift to Linux-based Android.

The top three Android phone makers lost ground in the US – Kantar

By Bogdan Petrovan (http://www.androidauthority.com/author/bogdanpetrovan/), European Managing Editor of Android Authority (http://www.androidauthority.com/).

http://www.androidauthority.com/top-three-android-phone-makers-lost-ground-us-kantar-780084/ (http://www.androidauthority.com/top-three-android-phone-makers-lost-ground-us-kantar-780084/)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 15, 2017, 01:47:38 pm
Really the title should be "Only Google could save against iPhone domination" .. and in some way they have.

Really if you want well integrated hardware/software Apple are the only one doing it "right" .. if Google pushed their phones more that would be another story.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on June 15, 2017, 06:00:14 pm
.. if Google pushed their phones more that would be another story.

You're saying, if Google pushed their phones more like their Pixel (https://store.google.com/product/pixel_phone), this would be a different story.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 15, 2017, 06:32:46 pm
Only Google can control both hardware and OS in the same way Apple do.

Every other Android device manufacturer Samsung included are building their phones to Googles tune not their own.

Have a great idea and know how to implement the hardware side of things .. great .. now we have to ask Google if they'll do the software side of things, cross our fingers and wait.

18 months later .. "thanks Google for implementing the changes we wanted, but we need a small tweak".....
(oh, and BTW, thanks for giving our idea to all our competitors too)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on June 15, 2017, 07:16:02 pm
Quote
Every other Android device manufacturer Samsung included are building their phones to Googles tune not their own. --PCNetSpec

So, for instance, when a guy like me uses a budget phone, but then gripes about not being able to update the kernel, this is actually because Google has told the manufacturer to produce a phone with these limitatations.  Google is the one that gives a thumbs up to this process. :o

Quote
18 months later .. "thanks Google for implementing the changes we wanted, but we need a small tweak".....
(oh, and BTW, thanks for giving our idea to all our competitors too) --PCNetSpec

This sure leaves the world of Android in a mess.  It's amazing our phones are as secure as they actually are.  That is, IF they are as secure as we imagine them to be. :-\

Note:

The way it works now, from what I can see, if have an older Android smartphone, is that the phone's kernel and firmware stops getting updated, but your apps from Google Play (Android's repository) continue to get updated. 
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: spence on June 16, 2017, 04:59:41 pm
I don't care much for Android or IOS to be honest in fact I don't care much for smartphones in general, I have a wee Samsung Galaxy Ace bundled with a load of preinstalled apps I neither want or need nor can remove.

Same situation on Samsung, but at least the uninstallable apps can be hidden and force-stopped

My next phone is definitely gonna be an Ubuntu phone they may be lacking in choice of apps (at the moment) but at least the apps I will have on it will be of my choosing not chosen for me

If I thought I could get it to work on the AT&T network... i'd dive in on Ubuntu... i really use very few apps... trying to find a much cheaper route for our cell phones though, so AT&T may not be where we stay after this round of contracts are up...
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on June 16, 2017, 05:07:57 pm
So, for instance, when a guy like me uses a budget phone, but then gripes about not being able to update the kernel, this is actually because Google has told the manufacturer to produce a phone with these limitatations.  Google is the one that gives a thumbs up to this process. :o

I'm not sure about that one. It's more a case of both Google and the phone maker abdicating responsibility for updating kernels, but not giving the user any viable option to do it for themselves either.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: spence on June 16, 2017, 05:22:40 pm
I'm not sure about that one. It's more a case of both Google and the phone maker abdicating responsibility for updating kernels, but not giving the user any viable option to do it for themselves either.

After giving up on my old Palm Treo... I managed to convince AT&T to sell me the Palm Pre with data plan blocked... grandfathering in my 2002-2012 status of blocking the data plan, I had no use for it. I loved that little phone, it was handy, beautiful and did everything my long line of Palm PDAs and prior Palm phones did.

When HP killed the Pre line most folks wandered off to Samsung... but many kept their phones alive via Cyanogen mods....

when my pre gave up the ghost, I opted for Nokia 920 on WindowsMobile ... another phone that i loved and wish I still owned, when it got smashed up, I was given the 1020 a beautiful monster of a phone... that i never should have let go. But well WindowsMobile seems to have only been about killing off Nokia...
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 16, 2017, 05:45:28 pm
So, for instance, when a guy like me uses a budget phone, but then gripes about not being able to update the kernel, this is actually because Google has told the manufacturer to produce a phone with these limitatations.  Google is the one that gives a thumbs up to this process. :o

That's not really what I meant, what I meant was Samsung/Sony/Motorola/HTC/etc. have little say in what Google release or don't release.

Unlike Apple who can tweak the OS however they see fit.

I'm not saying Google intentionally hold stuff back from the manufacturers, or tell them to hold stuff back from the public, I'm saying Google Add features either because they want to or because they've been requested, but the final say is theirs and they have little incentive to support old hardware (or really the hardware manufacturers) beyond getting ad revenue from the pre-installed Google services.

Lets face it, ALL "device" hardware is classed as disposable, which the manufacturers would be happier if they didn't have to support AT ALL.

Apple at least have a "name" to upkeep, so support their devices with updates for longer (but slowly make the updates slow older phones significantly enough to push you towards a new phone, rather than just dropping support altogether)  .. not because they want to, because they can't pass the buck .. total control of both hardware and software is a double edged sword.

IMHO, only Google could be a significant competitor to Apple, able to respond as quickly, and ship software totally tuned to the hardware (and vice versa) .. but they're too scared to step on Samsung/Sony/Motorola/HTC/etc's toes when their current business model is working and low risk.

[EDIT]

I **hate** to admit this, but iOS on an iPhone (at least with my granted very limited experience) feels more, erm .. I don't know how to put this .. 'built for purpose', or maybe 'better integrated', or maybe 'more at home on the hardware'.

I'm far from an experienced smartphone user .. but maybe, just maybe my having that (pretty abstract) impression say a LOT.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on June 16, 2017, 07:26:47 pm
Quote
I'm not saying Google intentionally hold stuff back from the manufacturers, or tell them to hold stuff back from the public, I'm saying Google Add features either because they want to or because they've been requested, but the final say is theirs and they have little incentive to support old hardware (or really the hardware manufacturers) beyond getting ad revenue from the pre-installed Google services.  --PCNetSpec

Thanks for giving me a few more insights into how this process works. 

Quote
I **hate** to admit this, but iOS on an iPhone (at least with my granted very limited experience) feels more, erm .. I don't know how to put this .. 'built for purpose', or maybe 'better integrated', or maybe 'more at home on the hardware'.

I'm far from an experienced smartphone user .. but maybe, just maybe my having that (pretty abstract) impression say a LOT. --PCNetSpec

Apple doesn't hold back on updates.  And I see A LOT of people here are using iPhones these days.  It sounds as if there's a synchronicity between the software and hardware of an iPhone that's currently lacking within the world of Android.  Yes, Google could do the same as Apple if it wanted.  I understand. ;)   
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: spence on June 16, 2017, 08:03:56 pm
  Yes, Google could do the same as Apple if it wanted.  I understand. ;)
and for a short while they did with their Nexus line... which sold abysmally...
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on June 16, 2017, 08:19:18 pm
Hi spence,

Perhaps Google is off to better start with its Pixel phones, but your point about the Nexus is also mentioned in this article.

Researchers Peg Google Pixel Sales at 1.8 Million

By Alexander Maxham (https://www.androidheadlines.com/author/alexander-maxham) for AH (Android Headlines)

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/06/researchers-peg-google-pixel-sales-1-8-million.html (https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/06/researchers-peg-google-pixel-sales-1-8-million.html)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 16, 2017, 08:21:56 pm
Google never "pushed" the Nexus phone line like they did the tablets (which did sell), for fear of  annoying with the other Android manufacturers.
Kinda in the same way Microsoft annoyed the OEM's with the Surface.

Google just want their services on as many phones as possible, they have no incentive to "compete" for the hardware market .. if anything Google saw the Nexus lines (which were actually very good, if overpriced so not to compete) as reference designs more than an honest attempt to break into hardware .. even though it's potentially a MUCH bigger market.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on June 16, 2017, 08:23:19 pm

Kinda in the same way Microsoft annoyed the OEM's with the Surface.

Just as they shot them all in the feet with Win 8!  ;D
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 16, 2017, 08:27:16 pm
Google only "toy" with hardware to keep the other OEM's on their toes .. it's not a serious attempt to compete which would be pointless, why take the risk if others are willing to take it for them.

Their core business is advertising on their services, it's MUCH better from their perspective if others assume the hardware risks .. their core services will be included anyway.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on June 28, 2017, 08:41:11 pm
Really the title should be "Only Google could save against iPhone domination" .. and in some way they have.

PCNetSpec, you hit the nail on the head! ;)

Warning:  This article include a popup video as its preamble.  The connection is NOT secure and "adult words" have been peeped out, so please don't click onto the link below if you don't want to experience any of that.  All that aside, this is one heck of a story in modern tech history.

How Android beat the iPhone to world domination

by Seth Fiegerman for CNN tech

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/28/technology/business/android-iphone-world-domination/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/28/technology/business/android-iphone-world-domination/index.html)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: spence on July 01, 2017, 04:22:36 pm
Google only "toy" with hardware to keep the other OEM's on their toes ..


I am finally able to switch phones and am seriously pondering the Pixel line and flipping our service to https://fi.google.com/about/ (https://fi.google.com/about/). We'll save about half on our monthly plans, our only hitch is coverage. We live in an outlying area which is surrounded by mountains and the closest towers are still only 3G capable.

Also, one of the phones I've been picking up to demo ship with Android 7... So I'm gonna dally as long as possible keeping my current Note 4 running. Part of me wants to ditch the expense of Samsung... part of me wants to ditch the contract, but no new phones are part of the pay as you go plans...

and No I'd never buy anything Apple...  >:(   
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: VinDSL on July 01, 2017, 05:42:25 pm
I'm far from an experienced smartphone user ...

Heh !  Brother thing again.  I carry 2 flip phones - business and pleasure.  They get 8-10 days on a charge, if that tells you how much I use them.  ;D

I know nothing about 'smart' phones except, when some dummy is using one, you become invisible to them, e.g. end of conversation.  It's like, you don't exist.  I just walk away, and they don't notice, and don't care.

In a way, it's a beautiful thing ...

That said, my wife decided she needed one, last week.  Some app, or another, that's not available for her winders PC.

I work with lots of people - most of them with electronic leashes in tow - so, I asked them what they own and why.

Based on their recommendation(s), I thought an Apple 6 would be the way to go, but my kids put the kibosh on that idea.  Basically, she'd be on her own, because they are hardened Android fanbois.  And, I'm willfully ignorant of smarties, so I would be of no help.

There's a LOT of power in not giving a shite, you know !?!?

Anyway, I told her to pick out whatever she likes.  I'll take care of setting up the account, transferring her number, and the kids can do the rest remotely.

Her choice was an LG Stylo™ 3 (https://goo.gl/mjEVBC).  Looks like a nice, big, bright phone.  A couple of ppl at work own Stylo 2s and they like them.  The Stylo 3 is mostly an improved Stylo 2 (why mess with success?) and it gets good reviews.

So, she's off to the races.  And, once again, I've become invisible.  LoL !   8)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on July 01, 2017, 06:42:23 pm
Her choice was an LG Stylo™ 3 (https://goo.gl/mjEVBC).  Looks like a nice, big, bright phone.  A couple of ppl at work own Stylo 2s and they like them.  The Stylo 3 is mostly an improved Stylo 2 (why mess with success?) and it gets good reviews.

Mrs.VinDSL choose wisely.  The Stylo 3 is an excellent phone, and has added a couple added features to the Stylo 2.  In fact, I got Stylo 2 for mrs.perknh last Christmas.  It's an excellent phone, and she loves it.

The secret of using a smartphone like basic cell phone is to NOT have Wi-Fi or data enabled 24/7.  Then it's like having a basic cell phone most of the time, BUT you'll still have access to the benefits of a smartphone if or when you need them --say like for international calling, weather checks and warnings, a flashlight or a compass, or driving directions assistance if or when you're lost. 

As for myself, I don't need to use these smartphone goodies most of the time, so therefore I don't enable data or Wi-Fi most of the time either.  I don't like hearing tings and messages coming in all of the time.  Listening to those noises constantly drives me bonkers.

So, she's off to the races.  And, once again, I've become invisible.  LoL !   8) 

See, even smartphones have their virtues! ;)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 01, 2017, 07:55:46 pm
Sommats wrong .. I'm invisible to my missus and she hasn't even got a smartphone.

Then again, if I weren't, I'd probably now get her one :D
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on July 01, 2017, 08:37:33 pm
Sommats wrong .. I'm invisible to my missus and she hasn't even got a smartphone.

Then again, if I weren't, I'd probably now get her one :D

That's right!  Say, by some improbable accident, she renews her interest in you, but you decide that you actually liked being invisible as you were before, you'll now know what to get her.  Those smartphones really do work like a charm!! :D
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 01, 2017, 08:54:22 pm
I think my wallet's safe there perknh :)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on July 02, 2017, 03:45:16 am
PCNetSpec, I'm only speaking from my own observations here, but I see these things everywhere I go, and over and over again.  During courtship the human male can't seem to do anything wrong.  Then, fast forward years into a marriage, and the same poor bugger can't seem to do anything right.  This appears to be a universal law of Mother Nature.  It's as if the existence of the human male is only to fulfill a few certain functions, and then he's to be put out to pasture. :o
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: zebedeeboss on July 02, 2017, 04:43:43 am
There are plenty of phones out there, other than Samsung, to give the iPhone a run for it's money

The One+ 5 works for me - it's the Best Smart phone I have bought to date.  Blisteringly fast.   ;D

people just have to get over their fears of China snooping

I believe JosephD has one too.

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2017, 05:10:55 am
Android phone sales already SMASH sales of iPhones (particularly outside the US .. and remember, the US is a small market when compared to global sales), but that's not the same as saying any Android phone manufacturer (or Google) makes anywhere near as much as Apple from phones.

Because they control harddware, OS, and marketplace Apple are still making WAY WAY WAY more from phones than any other single manufacturer .. the only exception **may** be Google who don't make any money directly from Android (or much from their own brand phones) but probably equal or exceed Apples income via advertising services installed on all Android devices.

Two completely different income models, both of which are working well.

Is one "better" than the other ? .. should either hold the power they do ? .. should ether dominate the market ? .. are either ethical ? .. those are tougher questions.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on July 02, 2017, 09:00:38 am
Android phone sales already SMASH sales of iPhones (particularly outside the US .. and remember, the US is a small market when compared to global sales), but that's not the same as saying any Android phone manufacturer (or Google) makes anywhere near as much as Apple from phones.

What I can't get over is the price range of smartphones and smartphone services.  Some smartphones here cost $600 or more, and monthly unlimited data plans can cost over a thousand dollars a year.  And that's just for one phone with service! :o  On the other hand, at least here in the US, if a person is willing to go with a budget phone with a limited monthly data plan, smartphones and services can be very inexpensive.  So inexpensive in fact that they now put the home phone market to shame. (For instance, although my smartphone was given to me, my dated, but new "other" 3G smartphone cost only $40, and I pay $30-$30.75 or $27 --$27.75 a month for service.  That is if I'm willing to see an ad when I unlock my phone --kinda like the Kindle.) 

So what a difference we now have in the range of prices.  The smartphone market, locally and globally, is really quite interesting to observe.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2017, 09:25:35 am
Mobile phones finally made the landline providers ditch the "per call" method of charging over here.

Flat rate phone bills were something I remember in the US from the late 60's early 70's .. that didn't appear over here until the mid to late 90's ::)
(I'm betting older Brits still remember "party lines" .. where you shared a phone line with a neighbour, which was a royal PITA )
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on July 02, 2017, 12:09:28 pm
So I take it that most people in the UK still have a landline.  Lots of people here, including us, have decided to ditch their landlines.  The straw on the camel's back for us was when I had to call our landline provider with our cell phone in order to report that our service had stopped due to an ice storm.  This happened a couple of times to us.  I finally asked my wife one day, "What are doing keeping this landline?"  So far, knock on wood, we gotten by without a landline just fine.  Now my wife has her phone, and I have mine.

PCNetSpec, I vaguely remember party lines as a kid when my mom and I visited family out in the country.  Yeah, the ring pattern told you which family on the party line the call was for.  Those party lines were also how everyone learned everybody else's business too. ::)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2017, 01:43:56 pm
Landlines are a dying breed over here too now .. now that everyone has a mobile anyway they're kinda superfluous, and only kept for the broadband.

The party lines I remember from over here had divided ringing by the time we moved back from the states in 74, so they didn't both ring at the same time, but if you picked up the phone whilst the other party was in the middle of a call you could listen in on the conversation.

Most houses were either semi-detached or terraced so you often had a common wall dividing you from the property you shared the line with .. so you could often hear their phone ring, rush to yours and pick up only when you heard the ringing stop (so they didn't hear the click as you picked up) .. it was all a game :)
( a game that could cause serious friction when you were in a rush to make an important call and they wouldn't stop blabbering on to someone about their ****ing petunias)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2017, 04:01:48 pm
Mobile phones finally made the landline providers ditch the "per call" method of charging over here.

For the sake of discussion, like I said, I carry 2 flip phones - used to carry 3, mostly for posturing at board meetings.

Why haven't I upgraded ?  The flip phones are grandfathered on $0.20/min USD plans.  You need to 'reboost' them every 3 months - minimum $10 USD. 

Effectively, each phone is costing me $3.33/month USD.  And, I use my Dell lappy for everything else.  LoL !    :D

I'm sure, some day, my carrier is going to say enough is enough, and I'll need to upgrade.  But, until then ...
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2017, 04:04:53 pm
Those party lines were also how everyone learned everybody else's business too. ::)

Heh !  Now, we listen to their phone calls with our police scanners - out of band, first harmonic ...  8)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2017, 04:11:34 pm
Mobile phones finally made the landline providers ditch the "per call" method of charging over here.

For the sake of discussion, like I said, I carry 2 flip phones - used to carry 3, mostly for posturing at board meetings.

Why haven't I upgraded ?  The flip phones are grandfathered on $0.20/min USD plans.  You need to 'reboost' them every 3 months - minimum $10 USD. 

Effectively, each phone is costing me $3.33/month USD.  And, I use my Dell lappy for everything else.  LoL !    :D

I'm sure, some day, my carrier is going to say enough is enough, and I'll need to upgrade.  But, until then ...

Oh we still have pay-as-you-go mobile SIM cards too (heck you can leave them years between topups before they eventually pull the plug on the SIM), or are you describing something else ?

I'd figured that was what American TV refers to as "burners" ? .. though I now understand (thanks to perknh) SIM's aren't so big over there.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2017, 04:30:31 pm
I'd figured that was what American TV refers to as "burners" ? .. though I now understand (thanks to perknh) SIM's aren't so big over there.

My 'burners' have the SIM built it, probably soldered in - never dissected one.  Basically, you buy a box of flip phones and self-auth them when you want do your drug deal or whatevs.  Afterward, you 'burn' or smash the phone, and sell the battery on eBay.

Most 'legitimate' phones have removable SIMs in them.  My wife's LG Stylo 3 has a removable SIM, for instance.  And, if you're traveling in foreign countries, you need to carry a pocket full of SIMs, just like in Europe.

Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on July 02, 2017, 04:34:09 pm
The EU is supposed to be free roaming now, if you get one EU SIM then you can use it anywhere in the EU for the same rate, in theory.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2017, 04:34:47 pm
Nope we don't need a pocket full of SIM's .. in fact they've just got rid of roaming charges in the EU (now we're leaving .. kinda, maybe, a little, eventually, sorta) :)

Ooops, murraymint just beat me to it :)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2017, 04:38:36 pm
The EU is supposed to be free roaming now, if you get one EU SIM then you can use it anywhere in the EU for the same rate, in theory.

No more sharing your SIMs with your buds, eh ?   :)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on July 03, 2017, 09:16:25 am
There are plenty of phones out there, other than Samsung, to give the iPhone a run for it's money

The One+ 5 works for me - it's the Best Smart phone I have bought to date.  Blisteringly fast.   ;D

people just have to get over their fears of China snooping

I believe JosephD has one too.

Regards Zeb...

LG seems to be a pretty solid contender too.  We sell a lot of LG phones where I work.  In fact, my phone is an LG.  It's even around the same size as an iPhone, in case you don't want to carry a Samsung tablet phone around.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on July 04, 2017, 02:26:40 am
LG seems to be a pretty solid contender too.  We sell a lot of LG phones where I work.  In fact, my phone is an LG.  It's even around the same size as an iPhone, in case you don't want to carry a Samsung tablet phone around.

Yeah, few smartphone manufacturers seem to remember us guys.  Although I don't begrudge any gal who wants to carry a phablet in her purse, I wish these smartphone manufacturers would also remember us guys who like to carry our phones in our pockets.  I prefer not having to wear a holster when I carry a phone.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on July 04, 2017, 10:19:05 am
Yeah, few smartphone manufacturers seem to remember us guys.  Although I don't begrudge any gal who wants to carry a phablet in her purse, I wish these smartphone manufacturers would also remember us guys who like to carry our phones in our pockets.  I prefer not having to wear a holster when I carry a phone.

That's one thing I love about my little LG phone, it slides right into my back pocket and isn't a burden.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on July 04, 2017, 10:53:31 am
I thought phablets were for guys with massive hands, so we can just hold them normally like you would a phone :-\

(https://forums.oneplus.net/attachments/making-phone-call-on-samsung-galaxy-note-8-jpg.446671/)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: perknh on July 04, 2017, 12:18:35 pm
That's exactly what I'm afraid of, murraymint! ;D

@scifidude79

I'm still hanging in there with my little LG Realm, but it's only a matter of time before I'll have to give it up.  What I'm seeing is more and more guys everyday with phone holsters for their larger phones.  But that's a path I want to avoid going down if I possibly can. ;)
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: scifidude79 on July 04, 2017, 01:47:40 pm
I thought phablets were for guys with massive hands, so we can just hold them normally like you would a phone :-\

I have pretty big hands.  I can hold a 7-inch tablet up to my ear quite easily. (I literally just verified this) Doesn't mean I want to, though.  :P
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: murraymint on July 04, 2017, 02:30:03 pm
Yep, I've got a Samsung in that form factor and I can confirm you feel bloody stupid if you have to speak into it in public  :-[
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: josephd on July 04, 2017, 02:51:07 pm
@zebedeeboss yep I'm enjoying the new OnePlus 5. The reading mode is a killer feature. No bloatware just a One Plus "community" forum app that you can uninstall.

If any of you were a fan of the Nexus line I'd suggest giving it a look. Motorola is another good option too.

As for the orginal article it's ironic what happened to Samsung's note 7 soon after it was posted.
Title: Re: Only Samsung Can Save Android From iPhone Domination
Post by: spence on July 04, 2017, 05:02:04 pm
@zebedeeboss yep I'm enjoying the new OnePlus 5. The reading mode is a killer feature. No bloatware just a One Plus "community" forum app that you can uninstall.

If any of you were a fan of the Nexus line I'd suggest giving it a look. Motorola is another good option too.

As for the orginal article it's ironic what happened to Samsung's note 7 soon after it was posted.

I've been looking at the onePlus5 josephD, what's the battery life like? I see the Galaxy Note 8 is set to release in not too distant future... the S8 Edge is actually smaller than my Note 4, so size isn't an issue, but that battery & cost are...  https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2017/07/03/samsung-galaxy-note8-leak-rumor-battery-power/#43742b451afc (https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2017/07/03/samsung-galaxy-note8-leak-rumor-battery-power/#43742b451afc)