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Title: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 21, 2016, 01:08:07 pm
Well, it's here.  Whatever the heck a xenial xerus is, I'm downloading it now.  I went the Xubuntu route so I don't have to choke back vomit when looking at the interface.  I tried the torrent but it was stupidly slow, so I'm doing the direct download thing.  It's going fast.

Anywho, I'll set it up in a dual boot with Peppermint Six and share my thoughts and whatnot.  Probably tonight, since I'm about to step out for a while.  If anybody else wants to do the same with any of the 16.04 releases, feel free to use this thread.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 21, 2016, 01:26:59 pm
Yup, getting the Lubnuts ISO's for the PM7 code base now
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 21, 2016, 01:28:35 pm
Well, it's here.  Whatever the heck a xenial xerus is, I'm downloading it now.  I went the Xubuntu route so I don't have to choke back vomit when looking at the interface.  I tried the torrent but it was stupidly slow, so I'm doing the direct download thing.  It's going fast.

Anywho, I'll set it up in a dual boot with Peppermint Six and share my thoughts and whatnot.  Probably tonight, since I'm about to step out for a while.  If anybody else wants to do the same with any of the 16.04 releases, feel free to use this thread.
I'm doing exactly the same, Xubuntu all the way.  I've got 20 mins left using the Torrent link.  I'm looking forward to having a poke around to see what's what  ;).
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 21, 2016, 01:34:15 pm
Me too, Andy, looking forward to poking around and seeing what's what.  Xubuntu is my favorite of the -untus, almost as good as Peppermint in my book.

Yup, getting the Lubnuts ISO's for the PM7 code base now

Sweet.  I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys do with it.  I intentionally stayed away from Lubuntu because the LXDE interface can only be a letdown compared to Peppermint Six.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 21, 2016, 01:37:51 pm
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...Sweet.  I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys do with it.  I intentionally stayed away from Lubuntu because the LXDE interface can only be a letdown compared to Peppermint Six.
Ain't that the truth.  Xubuntu is also my favourite 'buntu by a long shot  ;).
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 21, 2016, 06:12:04 pm
...Xubuntu is also my favourite 'buntu by a long shot  ;).

Mine too!  And the funny thing is...our Peppermint 6, with few tweaks and personalizations, can be turned into as good, if not better, Xfce DE than Xubuntu itself!  And, I take no credit for this discovery.  If you want to know how, I can point you in the right direction, but I don't want to hijack the tenor of this thread.

Right now I'm downloading Ubuntu Unity's 16.04 as I write this, and I hope to turn Unity into a Deepin DE over time.  I figure if I'm going to work with an offshoot of GNOME, Deepin DE is the way to go.  But that's just my personal opinion.  ;) 
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 22, 2016, 09:49:51 am
Well, I installed it last night.  So far, so good.  I didn't play around much last night, however, because I bought some movies, so I was watching movies.

Anywho, I'm digging into Xubuntu 16.04 today, until I have to go to work.  It's very nice so far, nice and smooth.  There are (of course) a few oddities.  As usual with the -untus, I had to install Synaptic.  ::)  I remember when that came standard.  However, everybody apparently thinks their software managers are so freaking good and everybody wants to use them.  But, I digress.  I used the terminal to install Synaptic because I don't even want to launch that slow thing.  On the more odd side of things, I went to create a .desktop entry for Blender (downloaded from the site to get the latest version) and found that there's no ~/.local/share/applications folder.  Easy enough to fix, but still odd.  :-\ The great thing about the new graphics driver in 16.04 is that I can use my GTX950 to render in Blender, as opposed to my CPU.  Since gaming cards are made for that, it should render faster.  I'm limited to using the CPU in Peppermint 6.

Anywho, liking 16.04 so far.  I haven't done much, but it's going very well at the moment.  :)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: zebedeeboss on April 22, 2016, 11:03:38 am
Ubuntu Mate here... It's working well  on both the Laptop (now Triple boot)  Peppermint, Wind 10, Ubuntu Mate   and the main machine   Peppermint, Manjaro xfce and Ubuntu Mate
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 22, 2016, 12:56:40 pm
I guess I'm the guy that beat up with this experiment.  I could never could install Skype. Also the new commands I learned from our Comic Sans MS thread, concerning Ubuntu-extras, did not go down well either. --because I didn't know what I was doing!  Amazon is also impossible to get rid of now --without removing loads of Ubuntu plugins along with it.  Although I'm fond of flowers, and appreciate bubbles too, I found Xenial Xerus' wallpapers to be extremely disappointing.  I didn't even see one honoring the xerus itself.

On top of all of this, my external drive (which contains Peppermint) stopped functioning after this experiment.

I'm sure VinDSL is correct that Unity 16.04 is better than 14.04 by a long shot.  That new kernel does help my computer run considerably cooler, but VinDSL has the ability to see what's happening inside the belly of the distribution --and, more importantly, he understands what he is seeing!  I can't do that yet.  I'm sure without a doubt, on the inside, 16.04 is Ubuntu's most advanced distribution yet.  But for functionally, concerning Skype, Ubuntu extras, and aesthetics, Unity 16.04 will not be for the feint of heart.  :(

And, as I said earlier, I now have an Peppermint distribution that isn't working at all --which may end up being just be a coincidence.  However my earlier desire to put Deepin DE onto Unity is now dead.  I'm not going to try to do so now.  In fact, I feel as I'm losing that warm and fuzzy feeling I've had for Unity for so long.  If I play with a distribution, it's going to be with Peppermint now --a distribution I continue to appreciate more and more as my understanding of these various Linux distributions increases.

There is some good news concerning Unity 16.04 however:  Unity Dash search is now turned off by default. ;)



Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 22, 2016, 01:14:57 pm
I think you may also be the only one who installed straight Ubuntu, as opposed to one of the other variants.  Everyone else who has posted here downloaded Xubuntu, Lubuntu or Ubuntu Mate.

I'd forgotten about Ubuntu's built in Amazon crap.  I guess it's so deeply embedded that most of the desktop depends on it.  That's a bummer.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 22, 2016, 02:26:43 pm
I'd forgotten about Ubuntu's built in Amazon crap.  I guess it's so deeply embedded that most of the desktop depends on it.  That's a bummer.

I removed Amazon running this command:  apt-get remove unity-webapps-common, but, according to Klyn in ask ubuntu, Unity "needs this package" in order for the Unity tweak tool to work correctly.  So, although this command is a solution of sorts, it isn't an ideal one, and not one that I would recommend.

I think you may also be the only one who installed straight Ubuntu, as opposed to one of the other variants.  Everyone else who has posted here downloaded Xubuntu, Lubuntu or Ubuntu Mate.

You guys were smart to do so.  You guys get all the goodness of the inner workings of the new kernel, and other improvements that VinDSL had mentioned, but with none of the BS that remains an intrinsic part of Ubuntu Unity itself. (Sorry, but I don't know what else to call it.)

All I can say is, thank goodness for Peppermint Live on a thumb drive.  That's how I'm able to post here right now.  :)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on April 22, 2016, 07:14:28 pm

I removed Amazon running this command:  apt-get remove unity-webapps-common, but, according to Klyn in ask ubuntu, Unity "needs this package" in order for the Unity tweak tool to work correctly.  So, although this command is a solution of sorts, it isn't an ideal one, and not one that I would recommend.

I think you may also be the only one who installed straight Ubuntu, as opposed to one of the other variants.  Everyone else who has posted here downloaded Xubuntu, Lubuntu or Ubuntu Mate.

You guys were smart to do so.  You guys get all the goodness of the inner workings of the new kernel, and other improvements that VinDSL had mentioned, but with none of the BS that remains an intrinsic part of Ubuntu Unity itself. (Sorry, but I don't know what else to call it.)

To be clear, while I test Unity from time-to-time (maybe one week out of the month, to make sure it's still working) I'm a Gnome-Shell fanboi.

Actually, the only thing I enjoy about Unity is the Compiz Cube feature - I'm still smitten by that silly thing, after all these years.  LoL   :D

Anyway, yes, I do run Unity occasionally, but I spend most of my time in G3, which is a different animal.

Just saying ...
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 22, 2016, 08:02:04 pm
Hi VinDSL,

I don't understand why GNOME isn't given 5 years of support.  From what I can see, it's a foundational DE, and the foundation for other DEs.  Clearly Unity is derived from GNOME, and the "Launcher" in Deepin has GNOME written all over it.  Which leads me to ask you a question, VinDSL:  What do you think of Deepin?

The more I look at Deepin DE,  the more clever I consider it to be --and I do see quite a bit of GNOME within it.

And, if you look at GNOME and Unity side by side, it is unquestionably clear where Unity came from.  It is clearly derived from GNOME.

perknh
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 22, 2016, 11:12:40 pm
Ubuntu uses Gnome 3.  (Ubuntu has always used Gnome)  Unity is simply the desktop user interface, (front end) just as Gnome-Shell, Cinnamon and MATE are.  Underneath, it's Gnome 3.  I'm guessing Deepin is yet another Gnome desktop UI, though I've never used it.

I've personally used Gnome-Shell, Unity, Cinnamon and MATE.  Of those, I like MATE and Shell the best.  I've never cared for Unity and Cinnamon is just OK to me.  I really liked Gnome 2, which is one reason I love XFCE.  It can be configured to look and act much like Gnome 2.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on April 23, 2016, 12:06:53 am
I'm guessing Deepin is yet another Gnome desktop UI, though I've never used it.

Same here.  I've never used Deepin.  I've got a long history with GS though.

 I used to hate G2 too.  All I used it for was haxoring Unity.

Anyway, GS keeps getting lighter and quicker all the time, so I'll stick with it ...
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: josephd on April 23, 2016, 02:03:21 am
I'm running Lubuntu right now and preparing to tweak the hell out of it.

Out of the box it's always been spartan, leaving plenty to desire and a ton to improve upon in Peppermint. I didn't always like LXDE but I'm certain I'll miss it in a few years. LXQT better be pretty solid by 2019.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 23, 2016, 06:26:26 am
I notice that Ubuntu doesn't have community edition of Deepin.  Also Deepin has dropped the GNOME Shell in favor of using HTML5.  This shows me how deceiving looks can be, or how versatile Linux is.  Deepin has also dropped Ubuntu as its base in favor of using Debian unstable.

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Even if it looks like Gnome Shell, Deepin is not using the shell. They started off with the Shell, but encountered many problems as they tried to customize it to their needs (that could be one of the many reasons there are so many forks or alternatives to Gnome Shell: Cinnamon, Mate, Elementary OS' Pantheon, and Unity, among many others).

Similar to other projects Deepin went ahead and developed their own Shell which was simply called Deepin Desktop Environment. DDE is based on HTML5 and WebKit and uses a mix of QML and Go Language for different components. Core components of DDE include the desktop itself, the brand new launcher, bottom Dock, and the control center. --Swapnil Bhartiya 


I'm surprised that Ubuntu doesn't have a community dedicated to the Deepin desktop environment.  I'm wondering if I can put DDE on top of Peppermint.  :-\  I know many of us here like Xubuntu a lot, but, really, the best Xfce I've ever used was Peppermint with the Xfce DE.  It had everything I liked about Xubuntu, but with our minimalist set of tools and programs.  I had to swap out Xfce's menu in favor of the Whisker menu, and do a tweak here and there.  But honestly, Peppermint can be made into a peerless Xfce DE.  I really can't get over how good it proved to be.

I bet putting Deepin DE, or DDE, onto Peppermint, however, will be an entirely different ballgame.

If Manjaro has a community centered around DDE, I would think there would be people interested in doing the same over at Ubuntu with Xenial Xerus.


Source:  https://www.linux.com/news/deepin-linux-polished-distro-thats-easy-install-and-use (https://www.linux.com/news/deepin-linux-polished-distro-thats-easy-install-and-use)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: murraymint on April 23, 2016, 07:27:37 am
perknh, what are the features you like about Deepin desktop? I tried it at some point last year but not for long. The dock-based ones just don't appeal to me in general.

Would this work? Don't try it on a critical installation first!
https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-Deepin-DE-on-Ubuntu-15-04
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Capivara on April 23, 2016, 08:17:24 am
Running Ubuntu MATE 16.04 now on one of my test systems.

Installation is not as flawless as we (Pepper)Mint fans are used to, but overall it's not too bad. Language packs other than English aren't installed completely, you can't fine tune your keyboard layout (US Int. with dead keys here in NL). Blueman crashes, complaining about outdated packages -- which indicates that ticking the box 'download updates during installation' doesn't work, or only partly.

atp-get update + apt-get upgrade fixes about everything. The bluetooth manager might still crash later on (it did under Ubuntu MATE 15.10), but removing blueman will fix that too. My desktop doesn't have Bluetooth anyway.

Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: zebedeeboss on April 23, 2016, 08:29:14 am
It just goes to prove Caplvara its all about the kit. My install went flawlessly on both the UEFI Laptop and this desktop.

The good news is you were able to fix it fairly easily :)

Re-installed Peppermint too this morning as I had been messing about with wayyyyyy to many things  :P   but hey  thats how I learn.....
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 23, 2016, 04:35:29 pm
perknh, what are the features you like about Deepin desktop? I tried it at some point last year but not for long. The dock-based ones just don't appeal to me in general.

Hi murraymint.

Unfortunately the dock is an essential characteristic of DDE (Deepin Desktop Environment), and I too am usually can do without docks.  That is, after I discovered Peppermint's Application Launch Bar, as well as a similiar approach within Xfce.  But I do make, however, an exception with Deepin.  Although I learned today that Deepin isn't actually using GNOME shell any longer, there is a GNOME feel to Deepin that is extremely user-friendly.  The idea of GNOME is all over Deepin's Launcher (found in the dock), and if you go to bottom right side, or corners, of Deepin with your cursor a panel opens up that is nothing less than spectacular.  It particularly has a marvelous clock, but is also so well organized that you can find nearly anything you want within that side panel too.  Also, for whatever reason, Deepin accommodates very fun icon styles by the way its dock and launcher work.  I find DDE to be a delightful user experience.

Would this work? Don't try it on a critical installation first!
https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-Deepin-DE-on-Ubuntu-15-04

I'm going ask Leon8200 for his opinion on adding Deepin DE to Peppermint for my personal use.  I think it's going to be a vastly different animal than Xfce.  I suspect it's not going to be so easy.


perknh

P.S.

This two minute plus silent video does more justice to Deepin than I can say to you here.  I'm putting this link in code form so as to not distract this thread too much from its Xenial Xerus theme.  I am going to wander into Ubuntu's forum and see what I can find about the Deepin DE and 16.04.  I'm surprised I haven't heard of an Ubuntu Community edition for Deepin.  I know Deepin had some really rough around the edges for a long time, but it appears to me it;s improving over time.  Manjaro's DDE is the best edition I've seen so far.

Code: [Select]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmQ_6l5j-nI



 
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 23, 2016, 07:02:06 pm
I've installed Xubuntu 16.04 LTS on a couple of spare partitions on my SSD.  All the appropriate tweaks have been done and it's symlinked to the /DATA partition.  So far, it's very boring.  It's behaving very well indeed.  Just what you'd expect from an LTS  ;).  I can't figure out why the devs always leave out Synaptic.  The software manager is horrible, but I expected that  :(.  I'm putting some spit and polish to the panel and desktop.  So that will be looking pretty nice in a day or so.  I've had to dump mousepad in favour of pluma.  I would have gone with gedit but they've screwed the new version of that up so badly - it be nasty  :-X.  The Xfce Terminal is now also gone.  I've been spoiled with Sakura.  I can't emphasize how lucky we are to have nemo as our file manager.  Xubuntu's Thunar is a toy in comparison.  There was some goofy stuff in Sound & Video, or whatever they call it.  That's been cleaned up.  Clementine 1.3 is now installed via the official ppa.  It's Qt, which is unfortunate but it also a great audio player.   It's nice to have LibreOffice 5.1.*.  That just needed adapting to my personal preferences.  This is where synaptic is so useful.  I really don't get it - INCLUDE SYNAPTIC  :-\!!   Yeah, other than the usual Ubuntu, Xubuntu unexplainable choices, my first impression of this LTS has to be really positive and upbeat  ;). 
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 23, 2016, 08:07:26 pm
I'm running Lubuntu right now and preparing to tweak the hell out of it.

Yeah, me too  :D
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on April 23, 2016, 08:53:25 pm
I've had to dump mousepad in favour of pluma.  I would have gone with gedit but they've screwed the new version of that up so badly - it be nasty  :-X.

Pluma rulez & Gedit droolz !   I'm never looking back :D

Also, I think I'm probably the only person on this site that still uses Guayadeque - so no matter really - but it's been orphaned by anonbeat, and won't work with Xenial due to conflicting depends.  I could probably patch Guayadeque for Xenial, but it's being forked anyway (http://musicqueue.furcat.ca/News.html), so why bother ?!?!?

All I use Guayadeque for is pod catching anyway - VLC for everything else.  In the meantime, I've been using gPodder (http://gpodder.org/) as my pod client.  It works well enough in Xenial with appropriate symlinks.

Thought I would mention this, in case there are any other podcatchers out there ...   ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 23, 2016, 09:25:18 pm
I've had to dump mousepad in favour of pluma.  I would have gone with gedit but they've screwed the new version of that up so badly - it be nasty  :-X.

Pluma rulez & Gedit droolz !   I'm never looking back :D

Also, I think I'm probably the only person on this site that still uses Guayadeque - so no matter really - but it's been orphaned by anonbeat, and won't work with Xenial due to conflicting depends.  I could probably patch Guayadeque for Xenial, but it's being forked anyway (http://musicqueue.furcat.ca/News.html), so why bother ?!?!?

All I use Guayadeque for is pod catching anyway - VLC for everything else.  In the meantime, I've been using gPodder (http://gpodder.org/) as my pod client.  It works well enough in Xenial with appropriate symlinks.
 for ddd
Thought I would mention this, in case there are any other podcatchers out there ...   ;)
I love VLC for all my video stuff.  You just can't beat it.  For audio though it's pretty run of the mill IMHO.  I really like Clementine for that because it's really full featured, including a great podcatcher.  Those are my two "go to" media packages, along with Kodi.  I'm addicted to that  :P.  On my Acer Aspire One, before it died, I used DeaDBeeF.  For a lightweight audio player, that packs a mighty big punch  ;) .
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 23, 2016, 11:17:51 pm
I have to look into Pluma, Mousepad is a bit too barebones for me.  Near as I've been able to find, it doesn't even have a word wrap option.  That's straight Medieval.  The terminal doesn't bother me, I usually just use whatever is installed.  As long as Ctl + Alt + T brings it up, I'm a happy dude.  ;)  I hear you about the Software Manager and Synaptic, Andy.  I loathe the Software Manager and love Synaptic.  Fortunately, it's a quick Apt command away, but it would be nice if it was still included.  It's not like it takes up that much room on the .iso file.

LibreOffice 5.1 is definitely nice, and I too love VLC.  Fortunately, Xubuntu doesn't come with much I don't use.  I only had to remove Thunderbird, Pidgin and Parole.  The first two I don't use and Parole pales in comparison to VLC.  Everything else it comes with I like.

It definitely appears to be smooth and stable so far.  I'm looking forward to Mark finishing his Lubuntu tweaks so that we can see what that's like.  ;D
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 24, 2016, 04:10:09 am
I have to look into Pluma, Mousepad is a bit too barebones for me.  Near as I've been able to find, it doesn't even have a word wrap option.  That's straight Medieval.  The terminal doesn't bother me, I usually just use whatever is installed.  As long as Ctl + Alt + T brings it up, I'm a happy dude.  ;)  I hear you about the Software Manager and Synaptic, Andy.  I loathe the Software Manager and love Synaptic.  Fortunately, it's a quick Apt command away, but it would be nice if it was still included.  It's not like it takes up that much room on the .iso file.

LibreOffice 5.1 is definitely nice, and I too love VLC.  Fortunately, Xubuntu doesn't come with much I don't use.  I only had to remove Thunderbird, Pidgin and Parole.  The first two I don't use and Parole pales in comparison to VLC.  Everything else it comes with I like.

It definitely appears to be smooth and stable so far.  I'm looking forward to Mark finishing his Lubuntu tweaks so that we can see what that's like.  ;D
So far the only oddities are the usual Power Manager disaster.  I'll switch over to the MATE one, as that's the lesser of all the evils on my machine.  Dropbox installs fine but won't display in the panel.  I've even tried putting an 25 second delay on startup. It just displays an icon with a crossed out circle that has no function.  MEGA on the other hand, installs and syncs perfectly.  Over the last week or so, the MEGA devs have been ironing out some issues I had with it.  They contacted me to tell me a new version of the updater was available.  MEGA now works like a charm.  I also can't understand why they haven't pre-installed GDebi.  Installing a .deb with the Software Manager is like trying to turn a light switch on with a 6 meter bamboo cane blindfolded.  GDebi along with Synaptic is a core utility in my book.  Do the devs expect a newbie to install a .deb from the CLI  :-\?
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 24, 2016, 09:23:44 am
Wait, Gdebi isn't installed?!  *checks, sees it's true, rolls eyes*  ::)  What are we, animals?

I never have a problem with the XFCE power manager.  But then, I set mine to basically not do anything.

I'm surprised there aren't any updates yet.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on April 24, 2016, 12:06:21 pm
GDebi along with Synaptic is a core utility in my book.

You can add Lintian to that list too, IMO.   :)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on April 24, 2016, 12:24:58 pm
Wait, Gdebi isn't installed?!  *checks, sees it's true, rolls eyes*  ::)  What are we, animals?

Can't speak for their devs, but ...

A lot of users - even experienced users - don't understand the difference between a warning and an error.

gdebi output tends to alarm new users to things that don't make any difference.  And, without the Lintian output (which needs to be installed separately) it's more or less useless for experienced users.  It's a all-or-nothing thing.

I *imagine* the devs leave this trio off the iso in order to save themselves a lot of support headaches, but who knows ?

Software 'Mangler' isn't any better IMO, but it's their call.  Choose your poison ...   ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 24, 2016, 05:29:49 pm
A little something from It's F.O.S.S:

THINGS TO DO AFTER INSTALLING UBUNTU 16.04

Last updated April 20, 2016 By Abhishek

http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04/ (http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04/)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 24, 2016, 07:55:10 pm
I thought it would be too good to be true.  Im getting the dreaded system freeze after waking up from suspend.  A hard shutdown is the only way out of it.  It doesn't happen when using pm-suspend.  Its a power manager thing.  I'll switch to the MATE Power Manager in the morning.  That always seems to fix it  ;).  Ive never had any luck with the, Xfce4 Power Manager on any of my machines.  Itś a shame because it has a lot of nice features.  Even with this annoyance, Im pretty impressed with this Xubuntu release.  After the tweaking and fine tuning are all complete, it'll be a cracker for sure  ;)!!
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 24, 2016, 10:52:46 pm
I thought it would be too good to be true.  Im getting the dreaded system freeze after waking up from suspend.  A hard shutdown is the only way out of it.

Sorry, to hear that, Andy.  I know that sinking feeling you get when you try to everything to avoid a hard shutdown, and then still have to do a hard shutdown anyway.  When my machine whistles as I shut it down hard, my heart sinks along with the sound of that whistle.  :(

Even with this annoyance, Im pretty impressed with this Xubuntu release.  After the tweaking and fine tuning are all complete, it'll be a cracker for sure  ;)!!

Andy, I always liked Xubuntu 14.04.  In your opinion, is there really much of a difference between 14.04 and 16.04?  I watched a YouTube review of 16.04 beta today.  It looked seemed pretty much like 14.04 to me.  Xubuntu 14.04 has, to date, been the most functional and practical distribution I've ever seen come out of Ubuntu.  Add a Shimmer theme or two, a few Dalisha icons, and Quincy Jones' Walking In Space  (long version, of course) ...now that's a DE to enjoy!  ;)

Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 25, 2016, 10:25:41 am
A little something from It's F.O.S.S:

THINGS TO DO AFTER INSTALLING UBUNTU 16.04

Last updated April 20, 2016 By Abhishek

http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04/ (http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04/)

Nice list of things *somebody* needs to do, but I find some of it unnecessary.  "Meh" on the Canonical Partners thing.  I agree on the restricted extras part, only without Flash (and MS core fonts and cabextract).  I most certainly agree on the video player, though I also use VLC for music.  I also don't feel the need to install a cloud storage service and the rest are Ubuntu specific.

On my personal list always includes installing drivers, but not everybody needs to do that.  ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 25, 2016, 02:05:03 pm
@scifidude79

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"Meh" on the Canonical Partners thing.

Canonical Partners is necessary if you need to use Skype.  ;)

I get a kick out of the title below.  I'll admit, while the wine bottle and some music are appropriate for Xubuntu, but I couldn't imagine "for better or for worse" with the other Ubuntus .  And although I'm happy for Ubuntu's MATE lovers, I honestly find Peppermint's menu much easier to make sense of than MATE's trifurcated menu options.


A perfect marriage: YOU and Ubuntu 16.04
But Richard Stallman might object


By Scott Gilbertson for The Register

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/25/ububtu_1604_review/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/25/ububtu_1604_review/)

Remember:  Ubuntu's forum is no place to spend your honeymoon!  ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 25, 2016, 02:53:35 pm
@scifidude79

Quote
"Meh" on the Canonical Partners thing.

Canonical Partners is necessary if you need to use Skype.  ;)

Two words:  Androd app.  ;)

Seriously, I don't even have a camera or microphone for my desktop computers.  The only time I've ever used Skype has been on Android.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on April 25, 2016, 03:36:49 pm
Two words:  Androd app.  ;)

Seriously, I don't even have a camera or microphone for my desktop computers.  The only time I've ever used Skype has been on Android.

That's amazing.  :o

And I'm only one of the few people I know who doesn't own a smart phone.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Alex on April 25, 2016, 11:43:26 pm
Xenial Xerus? Animal name. Better "Amazon Ubuntu"
I read a lot about Linux and these lists "Things to do after install Ubuntu (and all flavours); Linux Mint and Fedora" are insane.
You type in the terminal codes; tweak things and broke your system.
The first thing is understand how works the linux distribution in your laptop/desktop; verify your cpu usage; software manager; and, in case of problems, if you have a good support. Other thing: distro translation. My Peppermint control center it is in English and a few things in my language. Ok, nothing wrong.
But, why i should read something for personal utility in english? Linux is universal but not in language variety.
In the future, maybe, things change. I hope.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on April 26, 2016, 12:23:05 am
Yeah, Canonical always uses animals.  Though, they're not always animals I'm familiar with.  ;)

(I know what it is now, thanks to Wikipedia)

Incidentally, there's something in the Xubuntu settings manager (don't remember what, and I'm running Peppermint right now) that's in French.  That threw me for a loop, given that my system language is US English.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Slim.Fatz on April 26, 2016, 02:11:14 am
Other thing: distro translation. My Peppermint control center it is in English and a few things in my language. Ok, nothing wrong.
But, why i should read something for personal utility in english? Linux is universal but not in language variety.
In the future, maybe, things change. I hope.
Cheers.
Hi Alex,

Have you thought about contributing some time to help with the language translation? Particularly considering the fact that you get to legally use Peppermint Six without needing to pay anything.   ;) Peppermint OS is produced a very small group of people who do not speak all languages fluently. I am sure that any assistance would be welcome.

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Alex on April 26, 2016, 04:49:06 pm
Hi, Slim.Fatz.
Yes, i would like to contribute with Portuguese (PT-pt) translation. How can i help?
I work with books and i have university degree in my own language.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Slim.Fatz on April 26, 2016, 11:59:19 pm
Hi Alex,

That's great to hear! I also saw your other posting concerning this and, as you can read in PCNetSpec's reply, it is too late for the initial release of Peppermint Seven.  :( But do not despair or give up!! Because the Peppermint OS team is small, they can surely use help in various ways. Please be patient because the guys have really a lot to do getting Peppermint Seven finished in a timely manner. Then they can take time to perhaps tap into your skills.

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Alex on April 27, 2016, 02:50:11 pm
Thanks, Slim.Fatz.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on August 23, 2016, 10:17:55 pm
All I use Guayadeque for is pod catching anyway - VLC for everything else.  In the meantime, I've been using gPodder (http://gpodder.org/) as my pod client.  It works well enough in Xenial with appropriate symlinks.

Thought I would mention this, in case there are any other podcatchers out there ...   ;)

Can't take it any more.  Back to Guayadeque (https://launchpad.net/~anonbeat/+archive/ubuntu/guayadeque?field.series_filter=xenial) ...   ;D


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_2016-08-23_19:15:15.png)

Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 23, 2016, 11:46:12 pm
I might like that app a bit more if I could pronounce it ::)

Does it work with mp3 now (or wma, or whatever it was that didn't used to work) ?
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on August 24, 2016, 01:09:35 am
I might like that app a bit more if I could pronounce it ::)

Does it work with mp3 now (or wma, or whatever it was that didn't used to work) ?

Everything I download and listen to on a daily basis is MP3, so that's always worked in Guayadeque.  It records in MP3 too.  Soooo, I'm not sure what it doesn't support.  Never tried anything else.

When I was testing Ubu Xenial, Guayadeque quit working after an incremental system upgrade.  Something or another made it crash like an Ikea table.

When I looked for an updated version, in several different venues, I discovered 'anonbeat' had abandoned the project.  He said life had gotten in the way, and he didn't have time to devote to Guayadeque any longer, blah, blah, blah.

While I was looking around for an alternative, I found another coder that seized the opportunity and was in the process of forking Guayedeque.  He said the only difference would be, he was going to do it right.  LoL !

I *guess* anaonbeat decided to reconsider his decision, or whatevs, and he resurrected the project.

I've always loved Guayadeque.  Fits Peppermint like a glove.

Guayadeque (for podcatching) and VLC (for everything else) is a wicked combination !!!   ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: zebedeeboss on August 24, 2016, 02:52:22 am
I might like that app a bit more if I could pronounce it ::)

Does it work with mp3 now (or wma, or whatever it was that didn't used to work) ?

I've always pronounced it "go eye da queue" in my best newcastle accent  :D

Which being a London lad, is a crap impersonation     :P
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 11:13:46 am
Linux Mint 18 KDE finally released today.  Fortuitous timing, given that I don't have to work today.  I'm downloading it now.  :D

I've always liked Linux Mint KDE.  It's much better than Kubuntu, in my opinion.  In fact, I was running Mint KDE when I happened upon a page on DistroWatch right about six years ago with a "random distro" thing on it.  That random distro was Peppermint.  8)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 11:59:36 am
I think I'll take a looksee too .. I didn't like KDE4 at all .. let's hope KDE Plasma 5 is an improvement.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 12:38:05 pm
Initial thoughts on Plasma 5 .. same as 4, looks terrific but drives me up the wall

Who thought that KDE "Launcher" menu was a workable layout.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 12:56:06 pm
Initial thoughts on Plasma 5 .. same as 4, looks terrific but drives me up the wall

Yeah, tell me about it.  I've got Mint 18 KDE set up in a dual boot with Peppermint 7, but it definitely won't be replacing Pep 7 anytime soon.  Just trying to get it themed out the way I want it is driving me nucking futs.  I'd forgotten how much of a pill themes are in KDE.  First, you have to install and apply your theme for your account.  Then, if you want system stuff to look how you want it, you have to open the system settings with kdesu and then install and apply it there as well.  Plus, they have some stuff that uses Gnome integration, so none of the hundreds of KDE color schemes available work for some things, so you have to try and come up with a close approximation.  >:(

Meanwhile, just open "Look and Feel" in Pep 7, pick a theme and apply it, and it's everywhere.  Why can't everything be that easy?
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 09, 2016, 03:11:42 pm
Initial thoughts on Plasma 5 .. same as 4, looks terrific but drives me up the wall

Who thought that KDE "Launcher" menu was a workable layout.
The Application menu is usable, the full screen Dashboard kould be usable once you get rid of transparency but I have never been a fan of the Launcher Menu.
I used Kubuntu for kwite a while and liked KDE4 as a DE.  Hated plasma when it first kame out but they have kleaned it up kwite a bit. but I still hate all the korny naming..... its krappy
Regards Keb...
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 03:20:57 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I always change the menu to the more normal one. ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 03:22:12 pm
Sure the "Application Menu" is useable but then it's a bit like going back to the lxpanel menu

What we need is something like the whiskermenu but without the "hard" edges/corners
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 09, 2016, 03:24:50 pm
Sure the "Application Menu" is useable but then it's like going back to the lxpanel menu

not quite - it does have a search facility at the bottom
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 03:26:56 pm
edited above

Whos idea was it to splash "Community Design" across the clock desktop widget ? .. and when did desktop widgets stop being resizeable in KDE or am I missing something ?

[EDIT]

Okay they're resizeable and it **was** just me.

I prefer the new widgets/plasmoids/whatevers to the ones in KDE4 .. resize and lock are harder to get to, but they don't get in the way like they used to.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 06:38:58 pm
Some things I like better about Plasma, some I like better about KDE 4.  I'm going to fiddle with it some more tomorrow, see if I can get things looking how I want them.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 08:31:45 pm
If memory serves "Plasma" is the desktop in both KDE4 and KDE5 .. Mint 18 is just using KDE5's "Plasma" desktop, where Mint 17 would have been using KDE4's Plasma desktop.

At least I think that's the terminology .. though I could be wrong, I haven't really followed KDE much, openSUSE/KDE4 (13.2 I think) put me right off
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 08:37:03 pm
Yeah, but most people who say "plasma" are referring to KDE 5, the first one to really be called "KDE Plasma."  *shrugs*

Either way, there's always stuff to get used to and bugs to work out when a new version of something drops.  They're both better than KDE 3. ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 08:40:31 pm
Dunno bout that, I quite liked KDE3.5 .. though it "looks" a little dated now

Maybe I'm just weird :))
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 09:30:59 pm
Sure, it looked nice, but there were a lot of things on a functional level that were vastly improved with KDE 4.  Though, if memory serves, (there's a decent possibility it doesn't) it took KDE 4 longer to reach that stable level than it appears to have taken KDE 5.  5 had some stability issues at first, but they appear to have been ironed out by now.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 11:42:43 pm
Sadly, Mint 18 KDE is no longer with me.  Further attempts to make everything look the same resulted in massive frustration that lead to a reboot into Peppermint, a quick operation in GParted followed by a GRUB update.  While painful, it had to be done.  >:D

Sometimes, I wonder why I even bother trying other things.  Pretty much all of my "other" Linux tests end this way, with me back in Peppermint wondering why the hell I ever strayed.  Though, on the plus side, they make me appreciate this OS even more, so that's a good thing.  :D
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 10, 2016, 01:34:02 am
I am still using with it atm. I have never been one to overly concern myself over each minute detail of the system being offered.
Does it run, does it run the programs I want, does it crash, if so - how often, how much of a pain is it to fix things, how good are the forums
These are pretty much my criteria.

So far no crashes and it's doing as it's told.  Is it better than Peppermint...... Never in a million years.

Would I recommend it to others as a system to use daily. No because it's too damn awkward for people who do want to tweak things.
Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 05:49:23 am
KDE always struck me as being MASSSIVELY tweakable (WAY more than Gnome/etc.) and very pretty .. but at the same time darn hard work.

So I agree with you guys fully, there's a lot to be said for simplicity.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on September 10, 2016, 07:18:22 am
So I agree with you guys fully, there's a lot to be said for simplicity.

Dittos !

For shiggles, I recently installed openSUSE, using the KDE desktop interface.  It's HOPELESSLY tweakable (my words).   :D

Even when openSUSE was my goto distro, back in the day, I didn't like KDE.  I used the GNOME interface.

I dunno. If you were sitting in prison with a lot of time on your hands, I suppose it would be entertaining trying to make KDE look right, but I simply find it irritating, at this point in my life ...   ::)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 09:00:35 am
I dunno. If you were sitting in prison with a lot of time on your hands...

LOL :)) .. great anti "gang" measure .. don't let them mix until they've managed to make KDE look uniform, they'll all have something in common to talk about by then and will have learned a new skill at the same time :)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 10, 2016, 10:13:34 am
KDE always struck me as being MASSSIVELY tweakable (WAY more than Gnome/etc.) and very pretty .. but at the same time darn hard work.

So I agree with you guys fully, there's a lot to be said for simplicity.

The problem with me is that I'm anal retentive that, when I pick a theme, I want to see the theme everywhere.  (except Firefox, due to the whole too light text in light background text boxes issue that it has)  However, KDE has issues with things like system level stuff not respecting your theme choices.  In KDE4, you used to be able to change the theme stuff at the system level by running the system settings panel as a superuser.  However, trying that in KDE5 last night just wasn't working.  It wasn't changing icons and stuff on the system level based on my choices, they were just reverting back to the (ugly) default icons.  I hate stuff like that.  Then the thing finally locked up on me and I had to xkill the window.

Plus, some stuff uses Gnome themes, making it even more difficult to make everything match my theme choices.  It's just too much going on and too many places to change themes, in my opinion.

So, yes, simplicity is better.  Though, never underestimate the work done by Mark on Peppermint.  I remember a time when user theme choices didn't affect the system level stuff and you had to run LXAppearance as a superuser to make stuff like Synaptic respect your theme choices in Peppermint.  But, that eventually became a nonissue, thanks to the incredible work done on this OS.  :)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 10:24:04 am
They still won't if the theme is user added to
~/.themes
but if they're added to
/usr/share/themes
they'll apply to elevated privilege stuff too :)

I can't take credit for that though .. that was an upstream fix :)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 10, 2016, 10:32:56 am
Yeah, themes can be a weird thing.  Also, KDE is very big on user level stuff VS system level stuff, which would be OK if things like Synaptic and other system level stuff didn't clash with my very dark themes that I picked.  Plus, I get why they have to have the Gnome theme stuff, since there's a lot more Gnome software out there than KDE software, but it presents issues like the fact that no Gnome 3 theme I found would match the ones I picked for my KDE system colors.  >:(

I may fiddle with Mint KDE some more, but maybe not worry so much about themes.  Or, I may move on to something else.  Depends on what mood I'm in.  ;)

I can't take credit for that though .. that was an upstream fix :)

Eh, that still doesn't lower my opinion of you or your abilities.  :D
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 10:33:43 am
 :D .. TVM
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 10:36:38 am
I get why they have to have the Gnome theme stuff, since there's a lot more Gnome software out there than KDE software

I don't .. I never understood why they didn't just make the damn libs compatible as far as appearance goes when Gnome took the lead in both apps and users.
(I'm not a UI programmer so I don't know how difficult that would be, but surely they could have done it during the KDE4 rewrite .. caveat asideI see no need for this appearance/rendering incompatibility)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 10, 2016, 10:40:21 am
I don't .. I never understood why they didn't just make the damn libs compatible as far as appearance goes when Gnome took the lead in both apps and users.

Me neither.  Especially since I didn't even know they could do that.  :-[  Though, I guess it does make sense as that's obviously what other DEs like XFCE and LXDE do, because they don't have these issues (any more.)  But, yeah, that's one of the things that makes KDE more of a pain than it's worth, in my opinion.  Too bad, because I've always liked it.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 10:53:44 am
Xfce / LXDE / Gnome / Unity all use the Gtk(2/3) libs to render stuff so will all be visually compatible.

KDE use their own libs that render stuff differently .. some say "better" which **may** be true .. but I'm not suggesting KDE use the Gtk libs for dialogs / decorations / fonts / etc., just that they rewrite theirs so they at least render stuff the same effing size as Gtk ones so Gtk apps and KDE apps don't look stupid in the other environment ::)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 10, 2016, 11:10:02 am
Using their own libs is good to a point.  Obviously, KDE has a massive amount of themes available.  You can get pretty much any look with it.  However, not everything matches, which isn't an ideal situation for some of us.

Oh well, I moved on.  I'm taking Solus OS for a spin right now.  8)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on September 10, 2016, 07:02:38 pm
I've been forcing myself to open winders 10 and openSUSE once a day -- to check for updates -- then, I close them.

While I was in openSUSE, today, I changed the desktop theme to 'Dark Breeze' and the cursors to 'DMZ-Black'.  At least, it's tolerable now ...  ::)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 07:19:18 pm
openSUSE would have to do something pretty spectacular to ever get me back on it again .. I'd rather use Unity or possibly even Windows (and that's not me being ironic).

I know it's been a long time since openSUSE 11.3 but by god I hated that experience.

There's far too many decent distros out there that would all have to disappear first ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on September 10, 2016, 07:29:45 pm
I've been forcing myself to open winders 10 and openSUSE once a day -- to check for updates -- then, I close them.

It's pretty obnoxious, isn't it?  I removed Windows from my computer yesterday, and my wife has asked me to remove Windows from her computer too.  I've found it's better living with an antiquated version of Skype than dealing with Windows at all. 
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on September 10, 2016, 07:56:48 pm
openSUSE would have to do something pretty spectacular to ever get me back on it again ..

Agreed !  I'm just goofing around with it, out of boredom.  PM7 is working too good !

Actually, before openSUSE, I was in the middle of installing Arch Linux, when the thought occurred to me, "WTF are you doing ? If anyone finds out you're testing Arch, you'll be ostracized."  openSUSE was a close second.

The only thing I've discovered in openSUSE that was "pretty spectacular" was , the installer asked me if my system clock was set to UTC.  There was a box to check (or not) on the screen where you tell the installer your locale.  I thought that was damn clever -- wish they would add that feature to 'Ubiquity' !   ;)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on September 10, 2016, 08:02:07 pm
It's pretty obnoxious, isn't it?  I removed Windows from my computer yesterday ...

Yeah, it's like when you're standing shoulder-to-shoulder on a crowded bus, and someone farts.

The gag reflex set in, every time I crank up winders, you know ?   :-X
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 10, 2016, 09:41:55 pm
OpenSUSE.... *shudders*  Horrible package management with a terrible update manager.  That's what I remember of OpenSUSE.  They can do anything they want, I'm never going there again.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: perknh on September 10, 2016, 09:56:26 pm
And I could never get OpenSUSE to work on one of my computers.  I can't remember whether or not it was this computer or my last one, but I gave up even trying.  I'm listed in one of its forums, however.  I asked to be removed, but that request was ignored.  OpenSUSE is owned by some parent company too.  If I remember correctly, it's a little bit complicated over there.


scifidude79, at least you know how to work Fedora.  That's a handy distribution to know.  ;) 

I'm not sure how common OpenSUSE is the US.  :-\
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on September 11, 2016, 12:44:54 am
scifidude79, at least you know how to work Fedora.  That's a handy distribution to know.  ;) 

Not really.  Last time I tried Fedora, I couldn't get past their installer.  Partitioning with it is really bizarre.
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on October 02, 2016, 01:00:14 pm
OMG NO !!!

I've inadvertently spent the past 3 1/2 hours in openSUSE, keyboarding in Fx.

I was just going to boot it and check for updates, but I lost track of time.  Really !

Code: [Select]
linux-oclj:~ # lsb_release -irc
Distributor ID: SUSE LINUX
Release:        42.1
Codename:       n/a
linux-oclj:~ # uptime
 09:56am  up   3:28,  1 user,  load average: 0.36, 0.35, 0.31
linux-oclj:~ #

I'm starting to get too comfortable with Plasma 5 and Firefox.

I need to wipe this partition, before it's too late !   >:(
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 02, 2016, 01:05:48 pm
LOL :))
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Skara Brae on October 15, 2016, 08:01:20 pm
If Unity is anything like Gnome 3, then I "hate" Unity as much as I "hate" Gnome 3.

Even long before I had internet, I got and installed SUSE Linux (5 or 6, I believe). That was when one could still buy "real" Linux CD-roms with a real manual in "retail" boxes.
I also still have such a box with Red Hat 5 here somewhere.
SuSE Linux never worked well, probably because of PICNIC issues.
Some years later, Mandrake worked much, much better (alongside Windows Millennium, which worked much, much better than Windows 98, too, contrary to what everyone else says).

I really got going with Linux back in 2007 with Ubuntu 7.10, "Gutsy Gibbon". Ubuntu 10.04, "Lucid Lynx", was the nicest OS that I have had, ever, period. I loved Gnome 2. I so dislike Gnome 3. The Gnome Shell Extensions make Gnome 3 much more user-friendly, yet I still don't like it.
I also never liked KDE much. Perhaps because it reminded me of Windows too much :P

End of 2012, I accidentally picked the wrong partition to try and install Fedora (yeah, wel, sh!t happens, ya know), and in doing so deleted Ubuntu 10.04 (always keep backups!!!). Fedora worked, but I found Gnome 3 ter-ri-bly user-unfriendly.

Alongside Peppermint 7, I have Debian 8.2 running: it too has Gnome 3 standard, but I almost always start xfce or Fluxbox. I "hate" Gnome 3, I just "hate" it. (Alright, "hate" is a too strong word.) I think that Gnome 3/Unity is to the Linux desktop what Windows 8 is to Windows.

(For centuries "Menu" (word/icon) has been at the top left in program windows: with Gnome 3 they replaced it to the top right /rolleyes/ I, for example, use anything BUT Gedit because of things like that.)

I have read the explanation for the removal of the minimize/maximize buttons. Total and utter nonsense, if you ask me.

Gnome 3 - what were they thinking?

Anyway, since support for "Lucid Lynx" was ending only a few months after I had 'overwritten' Ubuntu with Fedora, I didn't reinstall Ubuntu 10.04 and installed Linux Mint. I now run Linux Mint (Mat) at my main computer for over 3 years (alongside Windows Vista, which works fine, contrary to what the rest of the world says), and I love Linux Mint.

Since I had an extra, empty partition at my new HD, I installed Peppermint. I admit I had never heard of it. Peppermint 7 looks and works really nice.

It is because of the endless problems with Windows that I have turned into a very "conservative" computer user. For me, no OS experimenting, please, thank you very much. I want computers that let me work, not computers that make me work.

I installed FreeBSD not very long ago on good old "Conroe". I got an "Operating System not found" after first reboot... I didn't bother looking for the solution and just threw Debian in. Worked fine right out of the box. (I hereby dedicate the next few seconds to the late Ian Murdock for having given the world a fine Linux distro . . . . . . )

I will most likely stay with the Debian "derivatives".  They all work alike, and the Synaptic packages manager is a wonderful tool to use.

But, please, no Gnome 3 (or Unity).
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 16, 2016, 01:20:54 pm
Not gonna happen here :)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: VinDSL on October 16, 2016, 01:44:43 pm
Anyway, since support for "Lucid Lynx" was ending only a few months after I had 'overwritten' Ubuntu with Fedora [...]

I watched a 'computer show' on YT, last night, and they said the current Fedora distro takes 3-4 months to burn-in (make it stable on one's machine).

At a recent web dev (or whatever they choose to call themselves) convention, the show hosts said they walked around to see what the devs were using, and not a single one was running Fedora.

Kinda sad, really, that a $2B company with resources up the ying-yang, plus a huge community of volunteers, can't come up with a decent open source OS.  ::)
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: Slim.Fatz on October 16, 2016, 01:48:01 pm
Hi Skara Brae,

Nice post with some good observations and evaluations!  8)

It sounds like you and I have similar "computer histories" and DE preferences. I have written a tutorial about setting up Fluxbox (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,2804.0.html) that includes some downloadable commented configuration files that you may (or may not) find interesting (depending on your knowledge level with Fluxbox). I also like to use Openbox and JWM -- in fact I usually switch from one to the other on a daily basis. I also sometimes use i3 but not so much lately.

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: spence on October 17, 2016, 11:43:53 am
I might like that app a bit more if I could pronounce it ::)


its a > guy ya deck<  or a guy ya'd like to deck after he hits on your other half...
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: spence on October 17, 2016, 11:47:46 am
Guayadeque (for podcatching) and VLC (for everything else) is a wicked combination !!!   ;)   

I decided to deck Guayadeque after I discovered one couldn't just shuffle thru the music on my machine nor my iPod... i no longer listen to podcasts. I haven't even bothered uploading my music to the laptop this time around...
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: spence on October 17, 2016, 11:57:10 am
Sadly, Mint 18 KDE is no longer with me.  Further attempts to make everything look the same resulted in massive frustration that lead to a reboot into Peppermint, a quick operation in GParted followed by a GRUB update.  While painful, it had to be done.  >:D

Sometimes, I wonder why I even bother trying other things.  Pretty much all of my "other" Linux tests end this way, with me back in Peppermint wondering why the hell I ever strayed.  Though, on the plus side, they make me appreciate this OS even more, so that's a good thing.  :D

well... welll... wellllll, just when I thought perhaps i should be testing a few other DEs... I'm happy you posted this comment scifidude79. I already spend way too many hours trying to tweak my main peppermint installs to begin doing the same in other unfamiliar territories.... I'd be lost for weeks on end I think.

but given the election season here in North America, that might not necessarily be a bad thing...
Title: Re: Xenial Xerus
Post by: scifidude79 on October 17, 2016, 01:08:36 pm
Well, that's not to say other DEs will be as bad.  KDE has always been a massive beast and a bit of a pill to customize.  The problem I had is that KDE 5 is even more of a pill than KDE 3 or 4.  Nearly as frustrating as Unity and more so than Gnome-Shell.  By comparison, XFCE and MATE are pretty easy to customize.  I don't really care for Cinnamon, so I can't say how easy (or not) it is to customize.  And, there are DEs I haven't tried, like LXQT, the successor to LXDE.

Though, I do little customization in Peppermint.  In P7, I changed my desktop background to a custom image, fiddled with my panel a bit and changed icon themes to Faenza Darker.  That's about it.