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Title: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: harishpathangay on March 26, 2016, 01:30:17 am
when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: AndyInMokum on March 26, 2016, 01:51:50 am
Psst, I'll let you in on a secret.  It'll be ready when it's ready.   Don't tell anyone one else though  :D!!  Seriously, the new distro is launched annually.  This is usually between May and June.  There's no set date though, so the first sentence in this post is actually true.  Does that answer your question  ;D ‽
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on March 26, 2016, 09:41:36 am
Here in the next couple weeks or so, Ubuntu will be releasing their 16.04 LTS release.  Peppermint is based on the source code for the Ubuntu LTS releases, so once the final release is out, work on the final version of Peppermint Seven can be completed and then it can be tested.  As Andy said, the final release is usually ready in late May, early June.
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: darthlukan on March 29, 2016, 05:20:41 am
As a member of Team Peppermint I can let you in on our official stance on release dates: "When it's ready."

We try to aim for sometime between May and June, but ultimately, if we have to delay the release until Christmas, we will. Conversely, if it's ready before May, there's no reason to not release before May :)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on March 29, 2016, 09:24:21 am
It would make a nice Christmas present. (It even has the whole festive red and white thing going for it) However, I think some people would have conniptions.  ;)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: darthlukan on March 30, 2016, 03:06:33 pm
It would make a nice Christmas present. (It even has the whole festive red and white thing going for it) However, I think some people would have conniptions.  ;)

Those people could have conniptions all they want, but Team Peppermint does not sacrifice quality for deadlines. We're not perfect, but we're definitely not going to knowingly release a mess. I would assume those same people would be even more upset if we broke something simply to make a deadline ;)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on March 31, 2016, 01:11:26 am
Those people could have conniptions all they want, but Team Peppermint does not sacrifice quality for deadlines.

And, that's why I love you guys.  That's why I've been here for nearly six years now.  8)

Personally, I hate that "release it now, fix it afterward" approach that some Linux distros seem fond of.  I won't mention any names.

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
FEDORA

(OK, I fibbed, I'm so mentioning names)
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I prefer that you guys get it right and we have a smooth transition from 6 to 7.  I mean, what's the worse that can happen with this strategy?  We have to wait a bit longer for 7 and are forced to endure the sheer awesomeness of Peppermint 6 a bit longer?  I can totally live with that.  ;D
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on March 31, 2016, 04:05:21 am
Hi scifidude79,

I found another name that you didn't mention, but I'll keep it secret.

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Manjaro
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Oops, I think I hit the wrong button  :D

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: darthlukan on March 31, 2016, 04:14:11 am
To be fair, I don't think anybody willingly releases broken things. The projects that you guys have mentioned so far are actually much larger in scope than Peppermint and are worked on by much larger teams, which means that internal politics and processes are amplified quite a bit, contributing to delays and missed items. The Manjaro crew is still pretty young (so far as project age) and they can only get better. Fedora (big kudos to those guys) has been around a long time and has quite the organization behind them. Despite any issues they may have, they manage to churn out a lot of high quality stuff, which is much harder to do than most people think.

Credit where it's due ladies and gentlemen :)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on March 31, 2016, 07:42:05 am
Hi darthlukan,

I agree with you completely that nobody "willingly releases broken things" -- therefore I did not say that anyone does that. However, you have actually indicated the reasons that have resulted in scifidude79 and myself coming down hard on some distros (and at least partially why we prefer Peppermint OS).

Delays are not a problem if they mean that the product quality is better in the end.

My experience in big commercial software development has shown me that many software "factories" do not make it clear enough to the customer that producing a product that is really good and error-minimized is safer and more economical than "meeting the deadline" (which has probably been set by managers on the customer side who have no real experience with software production).

Of course, this does not necessarily apply to Manjaro. Their problem seems to be more of a mind-set problem. I personally think that they should put more emphasis on testing and compatibility (see the grub situation being discussed at this moment on our forum) -- i.e. the directors of the project should follow better the maxim "look (more) before you leap."

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on March 31, 2016, 09:37:59 am
@Slim:  It's not that I forgot Manjaro, it's just that I only tried it once.  That didn't go so well.  However, Manjaro is a different animal altogether anyway because it's rolling.  Rolling releases can often break, or at least part of them can, due to package issues.  It's not necessarily the fault of the OS makers.  It's just the nature of rolling releases, and why I personally prefer more stable non rolling releases, even if I have to install a new version every once in a while.

To be fair, I don't think anybody willingly releases broken things. The projects that you guys have mentioned so far are actually much larger in scope than Peppermint and are worked on by much larger teams, which means that internal politics and processes are amplified quite a bit, contributing to delays and missed items. The Manjaro crew is still pretty young (so far as project age) and they can only get better. Fedora (big kudos to those guys) has been around a long time and has quite the organization behind them. Despite any issues they may have, they manage to churn out a lot of high quality stuff, which is much harder to do than most people think.

Credit where it's due ladies and gentlemen :)

True.  However, the fact that you can install Fedora right after release and then have to install 500+ updates is somewhat unsettling to me.  Just saying.  At least, that's how it was last time I tried Fedora.  (Fedora 15, I think)  It's all because they slave themselves to a tight release schedule.  It's more of a "ready or not, here it is" thing than a "hey, it's broken, but here it is" thing.  Their intentions are certainly good.  They like giving their users a firm date as to when they're getting it, but that more often than not comes back to bite them in the butt.  Fedora is certainly a good project and, once all of the issues are fixed, it's a very stable distro.  In fact, all of this talk makes me want to try them again.  I may install their next version when it's released, just to check things out.  8)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on March 31, 2016, 11:17:37 am
@Slim:  It's not that I forgot Manjaro, it's just that I only tried it once.  That didn't go so well.  However, Manjaro is a different animal altogether anyway because it's rolling.  Rolling releases can often break, or at least part of them can, due to package issues.  It's not necessarily the fault of the OS makers.  It's just the nature of rolling releases, and why I personally prefer more stable non rolling releases, even if I have to install a new version every once in a while.

Hi scifidude79,

Manjaro -- being based on Arch -- is much more prone to breaking than Arch  :-\ I know because during the last 12 months I had both installed (Arch actually for the last several years, in fact). My Arch installation has not broken once in all this time, but Manjaro failed so often that I quit counting and deleted it. I only installed it to see if it was as good as some folks claim, but it certainly disappointed me. Maybe I just have no luck with Manjaro, but Arch has been rock solid for me.  8)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: darthlukan on March 31, 2016, 11:39:18 am
... However, you have actually indicated the reasons that have resulted in scifidude79 and myself coming down hard on some distros (and at least partially why we prefer Peppermint OS). ...

I'm sneaky that way :)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on March 31, 2016, 11:52:58 am
I never got Arch working either.  After following their beginners' guide to installation to the letter, I was greeted by a Grub Rescue screen.  So, I put Peppermint 6 back on that computer.  The only Arch based distro I've ever used and enjoyed was Apricity.  However, I still ran into issues with some of the software in the Arch 64 bit repos.  So, I tend to steer clear of Arch and things based on it.  I prefer stability over cutting edge.  Hence, being here.  :D
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: zebedeeboss on March 31, 2016, 12:16:30 pm
and once again we come back to the beauty of Linux...  Choice.  I personally have never had a problem with Manjaro xfce once installed.  We will see how this current install goes, if I get the time to use it long term. 3 months previously was the longest before the hopping lust returned.

With the Architect installer, I was able to enjoy "Arch" in an even purer form but still not a total Arch system as I did not follow the wiki.  My attitude is, why bother when someone has already taken away the heart ache for you.

and that is why I stick with Peppermint 6 64 bit on my laptop.  It was the only distro I tried that simply installed and worked alongside Wind 10 on UEFI without hassle...  and why... cos the Peppermint Team is so damned good thats why.

So i may not get to look at Manjaro as often as I like because Peppermint just works... and I am really getting excited over what P7 will bring.  Sure I will have a hop now and again... its why I have the 3rd partition (to play with)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2016, 05:36:24 pm
when is peppermint 7 going to come?

I don't no. Probably in this year after new ubuntu and linux mint versions. Probably with a mix of desktops elements. I like Peppermint Os but i don't like this mix of elements (mate, xfce, lxde, Kde, and probably another new desktop, budgie or snoopy or plasma future 6.998  or something crazy).
Cheers.
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 15, 2016, 06:03:01 pm
Am I reading this right .. you like Peppermint, but you don't like what constitutes Peppermint  :-\
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on April 15, 2016, 06:58:43 pm
Probably in this year after new ubuntu and linux mint versions.

Why would it be after Mint?  Peppermint isn't based on Mint.  It usually releases around the same tike as Mint Mate and Cinnamon and well before Mint XFCE and KDE.
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 15, 2016, 07:47:26 pm
when is peppermint 7 going to come?

I don't no. Probably in this year after new ubuntu and linux mint versions. Probably with a mix of desktops elements. I like Peppermint Os but i don't like this mix of elements (mate, xfce, lxde, Kde, and probably another new desktop, budgie or snoopy or plasma future 6.998  or something crazy).
Cheers.
This is how Linux distros progress and develop over time.  You utilize the tools that are made available by the various Open source licenses.  Every distro available is made up of a mixture of components that over time have been fine tuned to meet the needs of their users.  For instance, Peppermint was initially built from LubuntuLubuntu uses pure LXDE.  While Lubuntu is a fine distro.  The desktop can't be considered refined by today's standards.  Peppermint wanted to offer the speed and lightness of LXDE with the refinements of Xfce.  The devs proceeded to build LXDE upon the Xfce window manager, Xfwm4 instead of Openbox.  Since Peppermint Four, more and more refinements have been developed, to the point where it's basically it's own desktop environment.  It's no longer dependent on the individual development of its components.   This process is not unique.  MATE came out of Gnome2, Cinnamon and Unity are the offspring of Gnome3LXqt is the merger of KDE and LXDE, the list goes on.  Linux is modular.  Building a distro is somewhat similar to LEGO for computers  ;D.  If you haven't already done it, you should made a Live install of Lubuntu 14.04 and compare it to Peppermint Six.  It'll give you a better idea of how the divergence works and why it's been done  ;).
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on April 15, 2016, 11:05:15 pm
Having used pure LXDE with the Openbox window manager in the past, I have to say that Peppermint's hybrid desktop has far less issues.  LXDE is fine and all, but development is slower than some of the other desktops and bugs can hang around longer.  By taking the best elements of LXDE and blending them with great parts of other desktops, Peppermint delivers a wonderful, working desktop.  Plus, as PCNetSpec said, the hybrid desktop makes Peppermint what it is; unique.  (my opinion, of course, except that last bit, which is a truth)

I've been using thus distro since Peppermint One and Ice, and the progress over the past six years has been amazing.  I have no doubt that Peppermint Seven will continue that progress.
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: rmcellig on April 21, 2016, 07:05:36 am
Well said and a very interesting thread. I just returned to Peppermint 6 after trying other distros based on LXDE. What I have found out about Peppermint 6 that makes it so appealing is what I think was probably one of the objectives of the Pepp6 developement team and that is balance. That's why I am now using Pepp6 again and may just install it on my iMac and see how it goes. I think Peppermint 7 will continue this trend where balance, speed and stability are it's strong points.
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: VinDSL on April 21, 2016, 07:27:13 am
Well said and a very interesting thread. I just returned to Peppermint 6 ...

Welcome back !   ;D

I thought I might mention ...

Speaking of stability - as an experiment, I installed the Peppermint 6 Respin on a bootable USB stick with persistence.

I've been using this setup to power a bot on Dubtrack.fm 24/7/365.

I just checked, and the uptime is now 193 days, e.g. 193 days of constant heavy use without crashing or requiring a reboot.

I fully expect Peppermint 7 to be equally robust.  ;)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 21, 2016, 01:25:22 pm
Give it a long enough hill and a Peppermint will roll forever

Dunno what made me say that .. but I'll roll with it  ::)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on April 21, 2016, 01:38:02 pm
Just be careful, Mark.  If you start talking a lot about rolling in regard to a Linux distro, people may get the wrong idea. ;)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 21, 2016, 04:22:30 pm
Okay, let's see what Google does with this...

I've spent all day seeing how far I could throw candy:-

lemon sherbert 1 was over-arm and went 20 feet....

Chocolate bar 2 was under-arm and didn't go far....

Peppermint 7 which will be a rolling release .. I think it will go far.

Okay sorry bout that   :-[
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on April 21, 2016, 04:39:07 pm
Hi PCNetSpec,

I must say that you have really rolled me over with that announcement  :o

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: perknh on April 21, 2016, 04:58:08 pm
Peppermint 7 which will be a rolling release .. I think it will go far.

I didn't see this one coming either, Slim.Fatz, but this really interesting news. :)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: GNULINUX on April 21, 2016, 07:04:23 pm
Okay, let's see what Google does with this...

First online leak of Peppermint 7  :P

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RELEASE=7
CODENAME=xenial
EDITION="32-bit"
DESCRIPTION="Peppermint 7"
DESKTOP=LXDE
TOOLKIT=GTK
NEW_FEATURES_URL=http://peppermintos.com/new-features/
RELEASE_NOTES_URL=http://peppermintos.com/release-notes/
USER_GUIDE_URL=http://peppermintos.com/guide/
GRUB_TITLE=Peppermint GNU/Linux

RELEASE=7
CODENAME=xenial
EDITION="64-bit"
DESCRIPTION="Peppermint 7"
DESKTOP=LXDE
TOOLKIT=GTK
NEW_FEATURES_URL=http://peppermintos.com/new-features/
RELEASE_NOTES_URL=http://peppermintos.com/release-notes/
USER_GUIDE_URL=http://peppermintos.com/guide/
GRUB_TITLE=Peppermint GNU/Linux
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Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 21, 2016, 10:21:30 pm
I just KNOW someone's going to say .. "but, but, but you said it was going to be a rolling release .. what happened ?" when it comes out ::)

Somewhere along the line I'm going to regret that little...

There, I reckon this should do it -
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11876059/JOKE.gif)
(do you think it needs a trumpet ?)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 21, 2016, 10:55:19 pm
I've decided it's not going to be called Peppermint 7 .. instead being named

Peppermint (2)(5)

So we can join in with Apple and Windows :)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on April 22, 2016, 01:37:56 am
PCNetSpec is on a (Peppermint) ROLL again !!   :D

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: GNULINUX on April 22, 2016, 05:48:05 am
More leaks... it seems that John Lenon is involved...  :o

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/BrqsAnG.png)
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@ PCNetSpec (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4): I can actually see some Peppermint 7 stuff over there, I hope that's your intention (to keep us rolling)?
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: darthlukan on April 22, 2016, 06:25:35 am
More leaks... it seems that John Lenon is involved...  :o

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/BrqsAnG.png)
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@ PCNetSpec (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4): I can actually see some Peppermint 7 stuff over there, I hope that's your intention (to keep us rolling)?

That reminds me, I need to hurry up with my transatlantic move so that I can fix that bug...  :o
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 22, 2016, 08:28:46 am
@ PCNetSpec (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4): I can actually see some Peppermint 7 stuff over there, I hope that's your intention (to keep us rolling)?

If you mean on github, there's nothing that's going to give anything away .. otherwise it'd be private :)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: GNULINUX on April 22, 2016, 10:36:09 am
Yeah, nothing earthshaking... just some applications that are repacked for Peppermint 7...
The only thing I've learned is that certain applications (I even spotted a new one) are going to be used in Peppermint 7  ;)
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: scifidude79 on April 22, 2016, 10:46:53 am
Give it a long enough hill and a Peppermint will roll forever

Sure, if you could keep the CD up on its edge the entire time....
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: zebedeeboss on April 22, 2016, 10:59:04 am
I've decided it's not going to be called Peppermint 7 .. instead being named

Peppermint (2)(5)

So we can join in with Apple and Windows :)

Just don't call it Peppermint (o)(o)   or you will have the Politically Correct Brigade on us  :P
Title: Re: when is peppermint 7 going to come?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 22, 2016, 03:02:13 pm
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11876059/roflmao.gif)