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Title: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 11, 2015, 09:52:37 am
Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared

by Chris Hoffman for PCWorld

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2951829/operating-systems/freedom-of-choice-7-top-linux-desktop-environments-compared.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2951829/operating-systems/freedom-of-choice-7-top-linux-desktop-environments-compared.html)

Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 11, 2015, 01:22:10 pm
You know what's really hilarious?  Four of their top seven are the same desktop environment.  Gnome 3, Unity, Cinnamon and Mate are all the same DE, Gnome 3.  They just have different front ends.  But, at least they give the user different choices than just the tablet style interfaces offered by Gnome 3 with Gnome-Shell and Unity.  Though, there are also other front ends you can do for Gnome 3, like fallback mode, which almost gets you back to a Gnome 2 style layout.  (too bad it's still crappy Gnome 3 underneath, but I digress)

My personal favorites on that list are LXDE and XFCE.  Keep it simple and massively configurable, I say.  KDE used to rank higher on my scale prior to Plasma 5.  I've ran that on a couple of distributions (Kubuntu 15.04 and KaOS) and it continuously crashes.  Though, so did KDE 4 before they worked out all of the bugs, so I'm just adopting a wait and see approach on that one.  Though, they have removed a few features that I really like from KDE 4.  It would be nice if those would make a reappearance in future Plasma 5 updates.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 11, 2015, 03:04:16 pm
Hi scifidude79,

I posted that article because the article looked like a good introduction to desktop environments for newcomers to Linux.  I also singed up to the site in order to leave a comment.  (Now I don't know if they are still reviewing my comment because I'm new there, or if I just screwed up somehow when posting.)

Anyway, what I had wanted to say was this:  Lubuntu isn't the solid LXDE desktop environment as is claimed --since it's moving quickly towards LXQt.  Peppermint is the way to go for a solid LXDE experience!  ;)  And, although everyone, including myself, is smitten by Ubuntu's MATE DE;  Xubuntu needs to be recognized as the excellent yet underrated distribution that it is.

I felt Hoffman's article had left Xubuntu too much in the grey zone of desktop environments for my taste.  Who knows?  Maybe Hoffman is right and I am wrong about this.  (Manjaro uses Xfce as its default desktop, as does Bridge LInux.)  Also, if Lubuntu is moving as quickly towards LXQt as it appears to be, Peppermint should now carry the mantle of LXDE forward --not Lubuntu any longer.

perknh
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 11, 2015, 03:45:35 pm
Most everybody seems to be moving away from true LXDE these days.  If I remember correctly, LXDE development is slower than most of the other major DEs.  Peppermint 6 doesn't even use true LXDE anymore.  Instead, PCNetSpec has taken some of the best elements of LXDE, Gnome, Mate and XFCE to make a hybrid DE.  In my opinion, it's superior to true LXDE.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 11, 2015, 04:01:26 pm
Most everybody seems to be moving away from true LXDE these days.  If I remember correctly, LXDE development is slower than most of the other major DEs.  Peppermint 6 doesn't even use true LXDE anymore.  Instead, PCNetSpec has taken some of the best elements of LXDE, Gnome, Mate and XFCE to make a hybrid DE.  In my opinion, it's superior to true LXDE.

Hi scifidude79,

Now I'm glad my comment wasn't posted.  Well-intended as I was, I would have misspoken.

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 11, 2015, 04:43:23 pm
Well, it's not like you were completely wrong.  Peppermint 5 is still available and uses LXDE.  Also, I think you're right that Lubuntu isn't the best example of LXDE.

On the same token, I've long felt that Kubuntu isn't the best example of KDE.  Much like Ubuntu, it's simply the one people know about.   In my opinion, Mint KDE and PCLinuxOS run much more smoothly than Kubuntu does.  There are others too, but those are a couple of my favorite KDE distributions.  Though, neither of those have taken the leap to KDE Plasma 5, which the author wanted to showcase.  That's because a lot of KDE distributions are waiting for Plasma 5 to mature a bit before they switch to it from KDE 4, just as a lot of distributions did the same when moving from KDE 3 to 4.  I find that new KDE releases tend to need a few versions to really get to a state where they have the majority of the issues ironed out.  (though, the same could be said for Unity, Cinnamon, and Gnome 3 with Gnome-shell)  In my opinion, the time to showcase Plasma 5 will probably be sometime next year, not while it's new.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 11, 2015, 05:37:40 pm
And, scifidude79, what would be your Xfce distro of choice?  I think Xubuntu (14.04.2 onwards) has knocked the ball out the park.  I mean I think it's really that out of sight --very solid and stable.  But there must be other distributions featuring Xfce worth taking a look at too. (To a certain degree I'm acquainted with Manjaro's and Bridge's Xfce distributions --but I haven't seen anything quite like Xubuntu yet.)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 11, 2015, 05:42:48 pm
Xubuntu all the way.  It's my favorite of the "official" -untus.  I was actually running Xubuntu 14.04 earlier this year, before coming back to Peppermint.  It's a joy to run.  I'd work it back into the rotation somewhere, if I didn't have Peppermint on all of my systems and Mint 17.2 KDE (dual booted with Peppermint, of course) on my desktop.  :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 11, 2015, 06:08:13 pm
I'm running both Peppermint and Xubuntu.  I've tried this different ways, but right now I have Xubuntu 15.04 on my internal drive and Peppermint installed externally so that it boots up first. 

If you have an external hard drive around from an old labtop, you can put it in an USB 3.0 external 2.5" hard drive enclosure; then you can be run Peppermint, Mint 17.2 KDE, and Xubuntu whenever you want in no time at all!  :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 11, 2015, 06:34:43 pm
It's not a hard drive space issue with me.  If I wanted to, I could put 4 distributions on this computer with no issues, and that's with a large media partition.  I just don't typically like having Linux distributions installed with the same package base.  To me, it's basically like running the same OS.  The only reason I even have Mint 17.2 KDE installed is for K3B.  I've never found a Linux DVD burning program that comes close to having all of the functions it does.  XFburn is my fallback, but I won't trust that for much more than burning .iso files and blanking rewritable discs.  It can't be used for burning Video DVDs.  (I tried that the other day on a DVD-RW and my DVD player couldn't read the disc)  Brasero supposedly has that functionality, but it's a buggy piece of garbage.  I tried it recently and it told me it couldn't read the DVD video files after I selected "Burn a Video DVD."  So, I use K3B for Video DVDs.  I don't like using KDE software on other desktop environments because it's always so dependent on KDE.  To even install K3B on Peppermint requires installing KDE runtime and a whole bunch of other garbage I don't want on Peppermint.  That's the only reason I have Mint KDE installed.  And I only reluctantly installed that after an exhaustive search for other KDE distributions not based on Ubuntu that I liked or that didn't cause issues on my system.  The only one that fits PCLinuxOS and it needs a major update to its .iso to include the latest legacy driver from Nvidia.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 11, 2015, 11:38:19 pm
I know KDE is for power users, of which I am not! ;D  But from what I can see KDE a very attractive desktop that packs one heck of a tool kit.  In my case, I just don't know what to do with all of those tools.   I've found I only need to add Skype, GtkHash, and Xfburn to Peppermint.  I also add Firefox and XScreenSaver, but I know these programs are not really necessary.  I just like them. 

I'm astonished at how few programs I need to add to Peppermint --very, very few!
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 12, 2015, 12:39:01 am
I don't know if KDE is so much for power users, but it is a lot more like Windows (7 and earlier) than the other Linux desktops.  The default layout and style is very Windows-ish, plus it even has something similar to Windows' Control Panel, the System Settings tool.  Plus, it can at times be almost as aggravating as Windows.   >:(  But, I still like it.  I'm sure, once Plasma 5 gets a bit further along, it will be as good as KDE 4.  Though, aside from some bug fixes, it also needs some themes.  It doesn't have a lot just yet, and I personally hate that black and white with the flat icons look.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 12, 2015, 06:54:27 am
And I noticed something happen late last-night after have posted here.  There were series of upgrades for Ubuntu yesterday, including a major upgrade for Firefox.  After doing the upgrades my mouse froze in Xubuntu 15.04 after a reboot.  I was able to get out of this jam by using our manual REISUB command.  But as with Plasma 5 not fully developed, I've always suspected that these intermediate Ubuntu releases are actually more beta than stable. 

I always like to see what come down the pike in Ubuntu, but the intermediate releases always seem to have a few bugs within them.  I hadn't had a problem with 15.04 until last night.  I suspect you had no glitches upgrading yesterday within Mint 17.2 KDE yesterday because it is based off of Ubuntu's 14.04 LTS release.  I'm hearing that Plasma 5 is still buggy (but very beautiful), and still has only a relative handful of compatible widgets adapted for it.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 12, 2015, 11:18:43 am
I'm pretty sure that's what Canonical did when they switched to 5 year support cycles for LTS and 9 month cycles for non LTS.  They pretty much made the 9 month versions "testing" versions.  Only the LTS release are worth a crap anymore.  I've noticed even Mint isn't doing any releases based off of the non LTS version.  Of course, neither is Peppermint.  9 months just isn't that long, plus those intermediate releases are definitely a bit unstable.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on August 12, 2015, 12:47:57 pm
I'm pretty sure that's what Canonical did when they switched to 5 year support cycles for LTS and 9 month cycles for non LTS.  They pretty much made the 9 month versions "testing" versions.  Only the LTS release are worth a crap anymore.  I've noticed even Mint isn't doing any releases based off of the non LTS version.  Of course, neither is Peppermint.  9 months just isn't that long, plus those intermediate releases are definitely a bit unstable.

I like to see what's new and upcoming, but installing every 9 months or so gets to be a pain after a while.  I don't know if Ubuntu calls these 9 month releases "testing" or not, but if they don't they should.  Thinking about it, I don't know what Ubuntu calls the intermediate releases.  :-\

I think it's smart that both Peppermint and Mint are not locked into nine month cycles.  If I've learned anything during Peppermint 6's beta testing period, it's that producing a new release takes an awful lot of time, energy, and patience.  My hat's off to anyone who can do it.  I guess Ubuntu has the resources to produce a distribution every nine months:  The smaller distributions just don't have resources to do the same.  Producing a new release takes a tremendous amount of work.  I have never seen anything like it.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 12, 2015, 01:03:54 pm
They just call it a release, nothing more.  I think there was a term they used for it when they switched from the 12 month cycle, but I don't remember what it was.  Basically, the non LTS releases are for people who want to have the latest versions of software that Ubuntu has available (but, in many cases, still not the latest version) and not be stuck with what's in the LTS repositories.  It's also for people who don't mind updating their system every 6 months.  Because, let's face it, the 9 month thing is a giant crock.  There's no release at the end of support time, so you're realistically following the 6 month cycle.  They just allow 3 extra months so that not everybody has to upgrade at once.

However, while it's not necessarily called a "testing" version, (as Debian and others do) I still think that's what it basically is.  I think they use it to see what all works and what doesn't work so that they can put the "correct" versions of things like Unity and their other desktops into the LTS releases.

It does say on the Ubuntu website that the LTS version is recommended for most users.  I personally don't like having to backup all of my games and other important files every 6 months to change versions.  I prefer to go at least a year or two between having to install an OS.  Once Peppermint 7 drops, following the 16.04 LTS version, I'll probably keep that installed until Peppermint 9 drops, at least on my desktop.  That's the one with my Steam library and CGI files.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 12, 2015, 02:24:48 pm

...It does say on the Ubuntu website that the LTS version is recommended for most users.  I personally don't like having to backup all of my games and other important files every 6 months to change versions.  I prefer to go at least a year or two between having to install an OS.  Once Peppermint 7 drops, following the 16.04 LTS version, I'll probably keep that installed until Peppermint 9 drops, at least on my desktop.  That's the one with my Steam library and CGI files.
I'm with you, It would drive me nuts having to reinstall and set up everything every six to nine months.  The last Peppermint release to follow that cycle was Peppermint Four.  It landed us with three months with no support.  It's in that time period, the Heartbleed vulnerability showed up, leaving our users in the lurch  :'(.    It also takes about that long to get everything the way I want it  ;D.   Saying that, I'm looking for an old Dell machine; just to have a pure testing machine.  For my main machines, it's LTS all the way. 
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 12, 2015, 03:29:45 pm
Yeah, Four was the version where I actually stopped using Peppermint for around a year.   :o  It was partly due to those three months without support, it was also partly because I became temporarily insane and decided to switch everything back over to Windows.   ???  Fortunately, earlier this year, I again became sane and went the other way, switching everything out of Windows.  But, I still won't follow the nine month release cycles.  It has to be LTS or rolling for me to even consider installing it now.   8)

The only reason I even had Kubuntu 15.04 on my system for a short spell was to see if the problems I experienced with Plasma 5 were the fault of KaOS or just Plasma 5 itself.  It turned out to be the latter.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 12, 2015, 03:40:05 pm
Yeah, Four was the version where I actually stopped using Peppermint for around a year.   :o  It was partly due to those three months without support, it was also partly because I became temporarily insane and decided to switch everything back over to Windows.   ???  Fortunately, earlier this year, I again became sane and went the other way, switching everything out of Windows.  But, I still won't follow the nine month release cycles.  It has to be LTS or rolling for me to even consider installing it now.   8)

The only reason I even had Kubuntu 15.04 on my system for a short spell was to see if the problems I experienced with Plasma 5 were the fault of KaOS or just Plasma 5 itself.  It turned out to be the latter.
Yeah the nine month thing is really something and nothing.  Six months for me is really too short.  A yearly release I can understand, with an LTS release every two years.  That's Ubuntu for you.  With some things, they really do operate using  an alternative form of logic  :-\!
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on August 12, 2015, 03:55:55 pm
Actually, the five years and nine months cycles do follow some logic.  Most people like the LTS releases, especially now that they have five year support.  That's five years you can go without upgrading operating systems to a new version, or at least two years to go to the next LTS release.  People who want a long term stable system are going to choose that anyway.  The people who follow and upgrade to the more frequent releases are obviously die hard fans who don't mind upgrading their systems twice a year.  (probably mainly people who just use their computers for the Internet and don't do any work or much gaming on them)  Those people were probably doing it any six months anyway.  With those releases going on for twelve months, there were probably less people hanging onto them.  Plus, the repository maintainers had much more to do by having more versions with active support for longer.  So, from that point of view, cutting three months off of the support cycle makes sense.

The only people it really inconvenienced were people who only wanted to do one upgrade (at most) a year, or Linux distributions like Peppermint that were only based on the Summer releases.  Like you said, there were three months without support.  But, those distributions and I'm sure the users who only wanted to upgrade once a year have pretty much adapted to an upgarde/release cycle that only follows the LTS releases, with new versions simply being upgrades to the existing version, such as Peppermint 6 and Mint 17.2 being based off of Ubuntu 14.04.2.  So, I think pretty much everybody has adapted to the new release cycles.  It seemed weird at first, but I think it's OK now.  (at least, to me it is)  At least Ubuntu is mixing in updates that you used to almost never see in the life of a release, such as new kernels and new device drivers being added to the 14.04 release a while back.  I did a dist-upgrade last week and got upgraded to the latest Nvidia legacy driver, 340.76.  :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 03, 2015, 08:52:51 pm
Xubuntu all the way.  It's my favorite of the "official" -untus.  I was actually running Xubuntu 14.04 earlier this year, before coming back to Peppermint.  It's a joy to run.  I'd work it back into the rotation somewhere, if I didn't have Peppermint on all of my systems and Mint 17.2 KDE (dual booted with Peppermint, of course) on my desktop.  :)

rjm65 reminded me several months ago, to try SolydX again.  At the time I was reluctant to do so because I remember it had run especially hot on my wife's computer a couple a years back.  Well, I have to say either it, I, or both of us, have come a long way in the last two years.  SolydXK has created one beautiful Xfce distribution (and I've even heard its KDE version is even more gorgeous).  From what I can tell it's a rolling release, and, with its nice looking icon set, it looks spectacular when you add your own wallpapers.  SolydX also has a few specialized categories of extra programs you can add after its initial installation.  What particularly caught my eye today was that you can add an extra game category that includes Steam, Minetest, OA. D, The Battle of Wesnoth, Sauerbraten, Neverball, and Super Tux Cart.  There are also other programs especially well-suited for smaller businesses.

Knock on wood, but I hope I will now remain Ubuntu free! ;)

P.S.

Like Peppermint's mayor himself, SolydXK hails from the Netherlands too! :)

Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 03, 2015, 09:12:08 pm
rjm65 reminded me several months ago, to try SolydX again.  At the time I was reluctant to do so because I remember it had run especially hot on my wife's computer a couple a years back.  Well, I have to say either it, I, or both of us, have come a long way in the last two years.  SolydXK has created one beautiful Xfce distribution (and I've even heard its KDE version is even more gorgeous).  From what I can tell it's a rolling release, and, with its nice looking icon set, it looks spectacular when you add your own wallpapers.  SolydX also has a few specialized categories of extra programs you can add after its initial installation.  What particularly caught my eye today was that you can add an extra game category that includes Steam, Minetest, OA. D, The Battle of Wesnoth, Sauerbraten, Neverball, and Super Tux Cart.  There are also other programs especially well-suited for smaller businesses.

Knock on wood, but I hope I will now remain Ubuntu free! ;)

P.S.

Like Peppermint's mayor himself, SolydXK hails from the Netherlands too! :)

Hm, I may have to take a look at SolydXK.  I've never tried it before.  According to DistroWatch, it's based on Debian Stable, which is never a bad thing.  It's not rolling, though.  In order to be rolling, it would have to be based on Debian Testing.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 03, 2015, 09:58:02 pm
Hi scifidude79,

I'd be delighted if somebody would look at it.  Please take a look at the third paragraph here:

http://solydxk.com/downloads/solydx/ (http://solydxk.com/downloads/solydx/)

How would describe that, if not the word rolling?  I don't want to spread false information; there's already enough of that in the world.

Also, since we're both from the States, SolydXK warns about the user about installing particular codecs during installation --for legal reason.  I find that quite odd.  But since we all know that the U.S. is such a funny place now, I wonder if it's warning us, or everybody, about a set of particular codecs. :-\

scifidude79, if I remember correctly you're also a KDE man:  If I think this Xfce version is gorgeous; I can only imagine what you'd see within it's KDE version.

But what do you make of that third paragraph?

I may need to edit my previous post.

Thanks,

perknh
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 03, 2015, 10:04:47 pm
It looks like they're saying it's rolling, but DW says it's based on Debian Stable, which is not rolling.  Though, maybe they switched to Debian Testing and didn't tell DW.  It's hard to say right now.  I'm currently downloading SolydK, so I'll take a look at it in VirtualBox in a bit and see.

Edit:  The front page of their site also says it's based on Debian Stable.  Though, if memory serves, I believe Debian supports upgrading to the next version, so that may be what they mean.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 04, 2015, 12:35:26 pm
It looks like they're saying it's rolling, but DW says it's based on Debian Stable, which is not rolling.  Though, maybe they switched to Debian Testing and didn't tell DW.  It's hard to say right now.  I'm currently downloading SolydK, so I'll take a look at it in VirtualBox in a bit and see.

Edit:  The front page of their site also says it's based on Debian Stable.  Though, if memory serves, I believe Debian supports upgrading to the next version, so that may be what they mean.

HI scifidude79,

How did it go with your SolydXK KDE download?

I downloaded SolydK this moring, but I haven't installed it live to a flash drive yet. You do know that you KDE guys are a very special breed of cat.  Having the ability to work around KDE can be equated to flying flying a helicopter --very few people have what it takes (including airplane pilots). 

But, I'm curious about your impressions and your experience --especially with gaming.  And what did you think of those w32/w34 codec warnings?

Thank you,

perknh

Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 04, 2015, 12:47:07 pm
All I've done so far is run it in VirtualBox in Live mode for about 5 minutes.  I haven't really given it a full test yet.  I'll probably boot up my GParted disc either today or tomorrow, clear some space on my HD and install SolydK and have a good look at it.  Running it in VirtualBox won't really tell me anything as VB is utter crap when it comes to gaming.  All you can do is "simulate" a 3D enabled graphics card with 128 MB VRAM.  Sorry, but no.  My Nvidia card is 5 years old, but it has 1 GB VRAM and it works great for gaming.  So, I'll give it a proper go later.  Right now, I'm tinkering with something I'm building in Blender.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 04, 2015, 02:09:56 pm
I hope you find something there of interest.  I very much appreciate you taking a look at it.  I should fess up right now:  I'm not a gamer, and I know very little about KDE --other than it appears very complex.  All that being said, it appears to me that SolydXK has something very nice to offer the world.

I'm now going to install SolydK to a flash drive, and run it live.  I want to see how it compares with SolydX.  Curiosity has gotten the best of me here.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 04, 2015, 02:45:52 pm
Also, since we're both from the States, SolydXK warns about the user about installing particular codecs during installation --for legal reason.  I find that quite odd.  But since we all know that the U.S. is such a funny place now, I wonder if it's warning us, or everybody, about a set of particular codecs. :-\

It's not a warning, it's giving you the option to install said codecs during the installation of the OS.  Or, you can install them after the fact.  Basically, the codecs are the proprietary Windows codecs that come with Windows by default.  US Law protects them as Microsoft's intellectual property and you're legally not allowed to include them with an open source operating system, or really any other operating system.  However, it is legal to distribute them free of charge.  So, Linux distributions get around this by simply labeling them as "non free" and sticking them in the distribution's repositories, as they do with the MS core fonts and other "non free" things.  Basically, all the installer is doing is explaining why they aren't included by default and giving you the option to download and install them during installation.  Ubiquity (the Ubuntu installer) has the same feature.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 04, 2015, 03:52:25 pm
I see.  Those are the same things as those "extras" I can always install during a Peppermint installation --just worded differently.  Thanks for the clarification. ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: AndyInMokum on September 04, 2015, 08:00:44 pm
Some time ago I had a play around with SolydX.  It's a really easy way of having a cracking good Debian distro with polish.  However, I ended up using another Debian beauty, Crunchbang as my main distro.  This was because I wanted to learn about Openbox.  I really miss Crunchbang :'(.  I could have easily gone with SolydX though.  Debian distros are the Labrador dogs of the Linux world - dependable, well mannered and basically bomb proof  ;).     
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 04, 2015, 08:11:35 pm
I never got into Crunchbang.  I tried it once, but it wasn't really my thing.  Tried Archbang too, which was a similar distro but Arch based.  Didn't really like that one either.  But then, I'm not overly fond of Openbox, so that may be part of it.  ;)

If SolydK doesn't stop asking me for my Wifi password every time I log in, this is going to be one short test.   >:(  I'm going to have a look at the KWallet settings and, if I can't figure it out, I will be jettisoning it with extreme prejudice.  Most KDE distributions and Linux distributions in general auto configure the Wifi to not do that.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: AndyInMokum on September 04, 2015, 08:42:17 pm
I'm like that with anything with KDE,  I've tried several distros with it.  I find it bewildering and my patience just evaporates very quickly.  The closest I came to keeping a KDE desktop was with Porteus 2 because they really trimmed it down.  Even then I ended up using their Mate desktop.  That was a sweet little distro for something based on Slackware, (not one of my favourites).  It's without a doubt the fastest distro I've ever used - silly quick  :o!
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 04, 2015, 08:50:05 pm
The good news is, I managed to configure KWallet so that SolydK won't ask for my Wifi password at login anymore.  Now I just have to see about installing my Nvidia driver.  In past Debian based distros I've used, that's been fairly painless, we'll see if that's the case here.

I've always liked KDE, but it does have its issues.  But, I've learned over the years to mostly be able to get it to do what I want it to, when they don't change things that is.  (then I have to figure out where the stuff I want to configure has been moved to ::) )  Though, I'm not sure about the new Plasma 5 desktop they've switched to.  I need to use it more to make a determination, but it needs to get more stable before I even think of deploying it full time.  One thing that I know for sure is that its default theme is UGLY.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 04, 2015, 09:06:26 pm
I'm been playing with SolydX --not SolydK.  I did download SolydK and try to install it, but my screen went into a black blinking mode.  After that I had to do a hard shutdown.  I tried AndyInMokum's fck command, but I had no luck with it.  So, to be on the safe side of things, I'm going to reinstall SolydX.

I can't report on SolydK --since I seem to be doing something wrong installing it.  Or, as rjm65 has taught, some computers are more finicky than others with some particular distributions --an invaluable lesson. ;)

Yes, scifidude79, the default theme isn't so attractive, but overall I find its Xfce version quite attractive after I change its wallpapers.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 04, 2015, 09:25:59 pm
Yes, scifidude79, the default theme isn't so attractive, but overall I find its Xfce version quite attractive after I change its wallpapers.

I meant the default Plasma 5 theme, not the SolydK theme.  The SolydK theme is OK, it's the classic KDE 4 Air theme with a custom icon theme.  One thing I found interesting is that, after switching from the Application Launcher style menu to the Classic Menu, the menu icons were different.  They must have set up their icon theme to do that because that's not how it usually works.

The Plasma 5 default theme that I don't like is that dark gray on white theme with the "flat" monochromatic icons:

(https://evilgenius180.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/kaos.png)

I hate that look, but it seems to be popular these days.  And, since it's new, it has very few themes available for it yet.  Meanwhile, KDE 4 has loads of themes available.

Plus, I want to know when the 3 horizontal lines became the universal icon for "settings."   ::)  It seems like that used to only be on Android, now it's everywhere.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: Slim.Fatz on September 05, 2015, 02:30:18 am
I want to know when the 3 horizontal lines became the universal icon for "settings."   ::)  It seems like that used to only be on Android, now it's everywhere.

Hi scifidude79,

I think you just answered your own question!  :D

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2015, 02:54:40 am
Hi scifidude79,

I think you just answered your own question!  :D

Regards,

-- Slim

Not really.  I asked when it became the universal icon for settings, not where it came from.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: Slim.Fatz on September 05, 2015, 03:29:11 am
Well, I would say almost from the time it appeared in Android. Android has pretty much exploded with unexpected speed. Everyone else trying to keep up and be compatible with Android started using things (like the "burger" symbol, i.e. the 3 horizontal lines) that the Android GUI uses. That's what I intended. I doubt that putting a more exact time on this is possible.

Software projects (e.g. Firefox, Gnome, etc.) that began using that symbol started appearing quickly with a sort of domino / avalanche effect and speed. So for us it just seems to have appeared suddenly and out of nowhere and is now the "standard". It's sort of like going to bed without the "burger" symbol and waking up the next day to find it used all around you.  :)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2015, 03:45:40 am
Yeah, it's that stupid phenomenon where mobile crap is invading regular computers.  Websites are even using it now.  I don't know why, it's not like it's that exciting.  It literally took no creative skill to think up.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 05, 2015, 08:29:58 am
Yeah, it's that stupid phenomenon where mobile crap is invading regular computers.  Websites are even using it now.  I don't know why, it's not like it's that exciting.  It literally took no creative skill to think up.


It appears the Unity model model has been universalized, and, from what I can tell, most people don't like it.  As for SolydXK's own theme, I think these distributions are striving for a theme that will satisfy the needs of both personal and small business use.  I'd say they hit a pretty good balance between the two.  I could use a little more color personally, but, then again, I don't use my computer much for business either. For me, the icons in the Xfce panel make SolydX pleasant to look at.  They are very easy on the eyes.

I'm used to Xubuntu, so I'm still trying to figure out some of the tricks I will need in order to use SolydX more proficiently.  I didn't feel like reinstalling SolydX last night, I just wanted to check for damage after I messed up things trying to play with SolydK --but I was unable to do so.  I'm sure there was a work around, but I didn't know what it was.

I seem to always need a second distribution to gnaw my teeth on, and I think I've found one here with SolydX.

 
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 05, 2015, 08:36:55 am
What symbol should be used ?

In KDE they could get rid of the "burger" and have a picture of Colonel Sanders with KFC

KDE's 'F'ing Controls
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 05, 2015, 10:58:20 am
LXDE is my "all-time" favourite. Followed by Pantheon (Elementary OS) and whatever DE is used by Puppy Linux  :D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2015, 11:26:47 am
Puppy uses JWM and Openbox, which is very lightweight, even compared to LXDE and Openbox.   :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 05, 2015, 12:08:55 pm
 :) Yeah JVM, I remember now. It says "Restart JVM" in an option in the shutdown menu.  I have puppy installed in a pen drive as a backup OS. My pen drive is now like a mini Hard disk  :P
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2015, 12:37:49 pm
Well, so far I can't get Wine to install programs on SolydK.  I followed the instructions on the Debian Wiki to get Wine Configuration to run, which is a slightly different command than what Ubuntu-based distros (and others) use.  However, when I used the command given on the Wiki to run a program, it keeps telling me "Bad EXE format."  Both of the programs I've tried so far are installation programs for programs I have installed on Peppermint using Wine.  So, I don't think SolydK is going to work out for me.

Interesting note:  this is the second OS I've tried in the past few weeks where Wine has been a stumbling block.  The first was Apricity, which is based on Arch.  Once I had Wine all set up and configured (I had to run it in 32-bit on there) and got some programs installed, I ran into issues.  Specifically, none of my games worked.  They showed up with blank screens where there should have been game graphics.  These are games I have installed in Peppermint using Wine that run great.  Now, I have this issue with SolydK and Wine.  So, to recap, two major distributions (Arch and Debian) apparently have issues with Wine that Ubuntu doesn't.  (possibly just 64-bit issues, but I don't know because I only run 64-bit)  I know Wine is a tricky beast, but that's a bit ridiculous.  I use Wine to run programs that I like from my Windows days and any Linux OS I try has to pass the Wine test for me to approve it.  So, I'm sorry to say it's a "nay" for me and SolydK.   :(  I could try SolydX, but I doubt the results would be any different.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 05, 2015, 01:22:48 pm
I think Zorin OS comes with Wine preloaded. however I've heard that wine is not much stable
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2015, 01:32:20 pm
Apricity and SolydK both came with Wine preloaded too.  Zorin is based on Ubuntu, so it should have the same version that Peppermint 6 has, which is pretty stable.  Wine has some issues, what they are and the severity depends on which version you're using.  (apparently, the Debian Stable version is pretty old)  Other things can affect how it works, like the make and model of your graphics card.  I have issues with games running on fullscreen with my Nvidia card, so I run stuff in a virtual desktop.  Configuring your particular software can also be a pill.  Though, even with those issues, Wine can be worth the aggravation because certain software just has no Linux equivalent, no matter what some people say.  I mean, it's either that or go back to running Windows and I don't ever want to do that.

One thing to remember about Wine is that it's a project that is attempting to run programs that were designed for a closed source operating system family.  The fact that it works at all is a testament to those who work on the project.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 05, 2015, 01:45:29 pm
I once tried to use an app called "PlayOnLinux" on Lubuntu, which uses wine but miserably failed in running my favourite windows games. I heard from a lot of people that wine has issues and hence, they made a dual boot PC. Someday, Wine will achieve near-perfect stability and that day will mark the end of dual boot computers :P Until then, trying to find suitable alternatives (like gimp for photoshop, audacious for Winamp etc.) or installing Windows alongside Peppermint is the only option :D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2015, 06:23:55 pm
I actually prefer standard Wine to Playonlinux.  Playonlinux (in theory) is supposed to automatically download and install the best version of Wine for the game you're installing.  But, it's far from perfect.  Plus, if you use it to install 10 games, you'll have 10 Wine installs, plus the one (or two if you use 64 bit) installed by your OS when you installed Playonlinux.

I used to dual boot, but I had too many BSODs in Windows 7, so I finally dropped Windows.  I'm glad I did, given their new privacy agreement.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 05, 2015, 11:03:32 pm
That's bad! :o Besides I think it will be quite heavy on the system. BSODs, warning messages, automatic restarts, crashes and a feeling of being unsafe (viruses, hackers, worms etc) made me leave windows completely. I was once using Facebook from a windows laptop and I don't know how and why, my profile and my friends were filled with a suspicious post that I didn't even post! it was something like "OMG! THIS GIRL THIS IN THE PUBLIC... ". and I had a tough time deleting every post, apologizing from every fb friend of mine (which includes teachers, parents, relatives etc). :( Perhaps it was a virus on the laptop
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2015, 11:46:42 pm
With that, it could have just been that someone hacked your Facebook account.   ::)

The BSODs are a crock.  Mine started in my desktop right after I upgraded the motherboard, processor and RAM.  I suspect maybe Windows didn't like the mobo and RAM together, but it runs like a dream in Linux.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 02:45:15 am
And sometimes, antivirus programs create problem too.  :-[ if they accidently delete some system file thinking it to be a virus, the computer is done  :P it wouildn't turn on again. I once had around 2 GB of songs in folders corupted by some "shortcut" virus. I tried to move them to my Symbian phone which got it's folders corrupted too  :'( As far as drivers are concerned, windows installation is slow and time-consuming. and then driver installation is a big pain as well. thats not a problem with linux especially Peppermint. the whole system gets installed in less than 15 minutes and a few minutes extra for updating  :D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: AndyInMokum on September 06, 2015, 03:23:11 am
When I used Windows, I always felt cheated.  I had to pay a license fee to use their software.  I then had to pay another license fee to someone else, hoping that their software makes Windows worked safely.  If you applied that business model to selling a car, or to anything other than peddling Windows.  You'd go out of business really fast.  Windows users are paying for something that's broken before it's even installed.  What's worse, it's not fixable either  >:(.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 03:39:59 am
:P I never paid for Windows. I used to download pirated versions from piratebay. Windows is a total cheating OS. Microsoft, the Antivirus companies and the computer repair guys make a lot of money out of it. Like, the computer repair shops charge some money for a fresh windows install. Until 2014, I was wasting money on my computer over windows. but after I first started with Lubuntu later that year, I felt better. Ever since then, my computer has not been to a repair shop :D Reading forums, tutorials etc has also taught me a lot of things about computers
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: AndyInMokum on September 06, 2015, 03:56:41 am
No kidding, after I switched to Linux nearly 3 years ago, (Linux Mint Debian Edition was my first distro).  I've not just learnt so much more about computing in general.  I've learnt to respect my machines.  I want them in top condition all the time.  After I got past the initial learning curve, Linux has allowed me to do this very easily.  I think the mindset of the Linux user compared to the Windows user, is very different.  The Linux user is probably far more conscientious about how he/she uses their machine(s)  ;).
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 07:20:18 am
Exactly. Linux has changed me. I used to treat my computer like any other electric appliance but now a days, I take care of it. I want it to be running in its top condition. besides, It never gets boring anymore. there is so much to do, learn, customize and install. if it wasn't for that Lubuntu installation an year ago, I would have been playing some stupid windows game right now Instead of being here in this forum, learning new stuff everyday :D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 06, 2015, 09:01:30 am
Maybe there needs to be a game where you have to solve Peppermint/Linux problems by going to forums or trawling the web .. you can earn extra points by forum participation and helping others....

and at the end of the game, you actually get some kind of real world sysadmin certificate :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: emegra on September 06, 2015, 09:11:52 am
Quote
Linux has changed me.

Yeah It's changed me too, before I discovered Linux I didn't have one gray hair and I had all my own teeth :)



Graeme
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 06, 2015, 09:14:21 am
No, that's just a Scottish life expectancy issue .. nothing to do with Linux :))
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 09:16:44 am
Sounds like a game I would love to play :D Linux has saved a lot of computers and laptops from turning into electronic waste.

Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 09:19:11 am
Perhaps when you discovered Linux, it lacked a user friendly interface. I used to think that Linux is like MSDOS (white characters on a black screen) :P
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 06, 2015, 09:19:55 am
Sounds like a game I would love to play :D Linux has saved a lot of computers and laptops from turning into electronic waste.

Yeah, now we just need to sell the idea to Gabe Newell :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 09:26:51 am
You know I had to google "GABE NEWELL" to find out who is :D Perhaps that game will be named "Kernel strike" :P
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 06, 2015, 09:40:18 am
He's the guy in charge of the steam valve.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 10:36:05 am
The makers of "Half Life" and "Counter Strike", isn't it?  ;D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 06, 2015, 11:46:51 am
Perhaps when you discovered Linux, it lacked a user friendly interface. I used to think that Linux is like MSDOS (white characters on a black screen) :P

That was Crunchbang.  ;)

You know I had to google "GABE NEWELL" to find out who is :D Perhaps that game will be named "Kernel strike" :P

Guy who doesn't know how to make anything with a 3 in its title.  :P
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 12:29:41 pm
Guy who doesn't know how to make anything with a 3 in its title.  :P

Brace yourself! Half Life 3 might be coming soon  :D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 06, 2015, 12:45:59 pm
There's a running half joke on the Steam forums where, whenever Gabe has a big announcement forthcoming, that it's going to be Half-Life 3.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 06, 2015, 12:55:37 pm
 :P  :) I think it's been like 8-9 years since Half Life 2 was released. They release games for linux too, which is good.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 06, 2015, 02:37:01 pm
Yeah, Valve games were some of the first Steam games to hit Linux.  I already owned the whole Half-Life franchise and Portal on there when Steam for Linux was released.  Of my library, those were the first games I could play on here.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 06, 2015, 05:00:52 pm
I tried AndyInMokum's fck command, but I had no luck with it.  So, to be on the safe side of things, I'm going to reinstall SolydX.

@AndyInMokum

I finally got the command to work, Andy! ;)  I had to put a sudo in front of the command for it to work in Debian.

Well, so far I can't get Wine to install programs on SolydK.  I followed the instructions on the Debian Wiki to get Wine Configuration to run, which is a slightly different command than what Ubuntu-based distros (and others) use.  However, when I used the command given on the Wiki to run a program, it keeps telling me "Bad EXE format."  Both of the programs I've tried so far are installation programs for programs I have installed on Peppermint using Wine.  So, I don't think SolydK is going to work out for me.

@scifidude79

scifidude79, I'm sorry to hear SolydK isn't working out for you.  I appreciate you haven taken the time to look at the distribution with me.

I'm noticing differences going from Peppermint to Debian.  Here's just one example:  I can't find Unetbootin in the SolydX's Software Manager, or in its version of Synaptic Package Manager either.  When I did find Unetbootin, I downloaded it from a Debian Wiki page, but it still didn't work for me then either. (After Googling, or actually DuckDuckGoing, I learned that I wasn't the only one who has had this experience either.)  From what I can see, DVDs still seem the best way to go if you're running Debian and you want to explore other distributions. (These Debian distributions will give you a USB installer, but they seem to be customized to only work with their own distributions, and not all others.  That, or I still don't know what the heck I'm doing --which is always a possibility with me. ;D)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 06, 2015, 05:04:45 pm
Hm, that's weird about Unetbootin.  I thought it was everywhere.  I've even used it in Windows before.   :-\  I can take a look, I still have SolydK installed, at least until I frag it a little later.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 06, 2015, 08:27:08 pm
Hi scifidude79, 

I thought that SolydK installation was already a goner!  Still, don't be surprised if you can't find Unetbootin within SolydK.  I know it's not in SolydX --unless it has some other name that I'm unaware of.  I can't even install it with the command line, or at least I don't have the right command for it if that is at all possible.  There has to be something else that Linux users can use for flash drive installations --but I don't have a clue what that program would be. :-\

Still, SolydXK does have Xfburn for DVD burning.  I can use that if necessary.

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 06, 2015, 08:41:25 pm
Yeah, I was planning to look for alternatives.  I believe you when you say it's not there.  I haven't deleted SoludK yet, but I probably will later.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 06, 2015, 08:56:15 pm
SolydXK has their own USB creator, it's installed in the System menu in the KDE version, and likely can be found there in the XFCE version also.  I don't know how it compares to Unetbootin because I haven't used Unetbootin in years, because my desktop can't boot from FAT32 drives, which is what Unetbootin uses.  But, it looks like it does what you want, it creates live USB drives.  I don't know if it will only work with their distro, though.  Some of those distro specific tools are like that.  As for the rest of Debian, I don't know what they have.  I searched in Synaptic and the SolydXK USB Creator was the only USB creator I found.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: perknh on September 06, 2015, 09:35:04 pm
Yes, you're right, there is a SolydXK USB Creator, but I can't get it to install any ISO file I've downloaded.  I have no idea how to use it.  I say this because when I read the info about it, it sounds as if it is made only to install SolydXK.  I know this sounds ridiculous, but a highlight goes back and forth after execution, and I wait and wait, but it never seems to finish.  Maybe I'm just impatient, but I see no progress indicator to see how any installation is going.  I just see a highlight going back and forth, back and forth --for what seems like an eternity. :-\

Update:

I'm trying it again right now.  It's called an Init Device.  I'll be more patient, and wait to that highlight stops moving back and forth.  I see also, that one of its options is to install either SolydX or SolydK --which is pretty cool.  That said, I have to say that this device is not nearly as clear as Unetbootin or Peppermint's Image Writer.

Thank you, scifidude79.

perknh
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 07, 2015, 12:35:00 am
SciFiDude, you can also get yourself a game called "Dying Light". it was released this year across various platforms including Linux. it's an open world zombie survival horror game. I saw the gameplay trailer. it looks promising.

(http://cdn.bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DL_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 07, 2015, 12:48:07 am
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm not a fan of zombies.  Or horror in general, for that matter.  Though, I do have Shadow Warrior, which has you fighting demons.  (but, you can also hack their limbs and heads off with a katana)

Steam actually has a pretty wide selection of Linux games now.  It was just at first that the Linux selection was slim pickings.  GOG has a decent Linux library also.  Between those two stores, gaming on Linux has really exploded in the past few years.  Plus, Steam is getting ready to launch their own Linux gaming OS based on Debian, so the Linux gaming scene will continue to grow for the foreseeable future.  When I started on Linux in 2009, you were limited to the free games in the repositories.  While there are some gems in there, there are a lot of duds too.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 07, 2015, 01:24:53 am
Shadow Warrior sounds like a hack-n-slash RPG. I'm a big fan of RPGs as well.

yes steam OS as already released a beta version and I read that they are bringing popular games to Linux. :) Linux is the future of gaming. Android has already gained fame as a capable gaming platform. Now a days, there are a lot of handheld android gaming consoles in the market. Like NVIDIA shield for example. :D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 07, 2015, 11:16:34 am
Shadow Warrior sounds like a hack-n-slash RPG. I'm a big fan of RPGs as well.

It's not an RPG.  There's no character development or anything like that that you expect from RPG.  It's just a linear FPS where you go around killing things and occasionally view a cutscene.  (RPG and FPS are my two favorite game genres)  But, it's a pretty awesome game, in my opinion.  The combat in it is really fantastic.  Anyway, it's a really nice game that they didn't spend a whole lot of money making.  It's also a remake of a DOS game from 1997, which I also have on Steam for Linux. (the Redux version)

I've been following the development of Shadow Warrior 2 on Facebook and it looks like it's going to be sweet.
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 07, 2015, 11:53:57 am
(RPG and FPS are my two favorite game genres)

That's cool. Good to meet another gaming fan here.  8) ;D I am a fan of First person games and RPGs as well, but I like them more when they are set in an open world, in a non-linear gameplay. I want the game world to have other things to do when I am tired of doing missions  ;)  :P
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 07, 2015, 11:58:46 am
That's not Shadow Warrior.  It's very linear and much of the game play is just killing stuff.  Still, it has a good story, in my opinion.  Also, there are different rewards for killing things in different ways, such as using a variety of abilities as opposed to just shooting stuff.  The original game had no story to speak of, other than a brief one in the game manual.  It was made by the same company that made Duke Nukem 3D and, even though it wasn't a sequel, it was pretty much promoted as one because it uses the same game engine with some improvements.

I just remembered, there is a leveling up system and degree of customization in Shadow Warrior (2013) but I still wouldn't classify it as an RPG.  You get points that you can use to upgrade certain abilities, much like some other FPS games such as the Bioshock series.

I like open world games too, but I don't mind playing the occasional linear one, if it's good enough.  I like games with strong story and fun game play.  :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 07, 2015, 12:10:15 pm
i totally agree with you on this one. I don't mind playing non-linear a game either if it has an attractive gameplay and good story line. When I first played Max Payne 2, I had a lot of trouble because it didn't have a map and there was nothing else I could do than play the missions. I was hoping Rockstar would make it open-world  like GTA 3 and Vice city. But the slow-time-action-sequence gameplay took my breath away. And the story was pretty good too and everything had an American (Hollywood) touch, of which I have always been a big fan.

speaking of Rockstar games, have they released GTA series, Max payne series and Manhunt series for Steam on Linux?
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 07, 2015, 12:27:48 pm
speaking of Rockstar games, have they released GTA series, Max payne series and Manhunt series for Steam on Linux?

Nope, just Windows and (sometimes) Mac.  The closest you get to anything by them being on Linux is a few of the GTA games and Max Payne for Android in the Play Store and Amazon Appstore.  I have GTA3 and Vice City on my tablet.  Though, according to Google Play, Vice City is incompatible with my tablet, even though Rockstar says it is compatible.  Fortunately, Amazon is slightly less stupid, so I bought it from them.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 07, 2015, 12:55:40 pm
Playstore has issues sometimes :D When I had a tablet (I exchanged it for a Playstation 2 lol), I used to download the apk installer and game data folder from the Internet and put them in my device. The game would run perfectly. however, it wasn't successful in a lot of cases when the downloaded version had a different VGA than my tablet. some games wouldn't even launch and some would have distorted pictures, inverted colors etc.

Android has some games with very good graphics quality. There was this game I played called Dead Trigger 2, it had great graphics. The makers claim that it runs even better on Nvidia Tegra 4 devices and displays PS4 quality graphics (shadows, water reflection etc)

(https://www.mojandroid.sk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DeadTrigger-2-trailer.png)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 07, 2015, 01:26:54 pm
I still have a Playstation 2.   ;D  It's one of the many devices for which I have GTA games.  In fact, I have almost all of the ones they released for the PS2, I just need to get Vice City Stories to have them all.

It may be a little sad, but I own 3 copies of Vice City, (PS2, PC and Android) 2 copies of GTA3, (PS2 and Android) and 2 copies of San Andreas (PS2 and PC.)  Though, the PS2 versions were bought later, (except GTA3) as a result of my wanting to switch from Windows to Linux.  Besides, Vice City on the computer has a weird "pause" whenever it has to access the DVD.  ::)  The Android versions I just purchased because I could and because I was going on a trip and didn't want to be bored.  ;)  Being stuck in a hotel ain't so bad when you've got some virtual murder and mayhem to do.  >:D

Yeah, sometimes downloading .apk files works, sometimes not.  It all depends on the app.  I had a Kindle Fire briefly, but I didn't like it and traded it back in to Best Buy and paid the difference for my Samsung tablet (never regretted that decision.)  When I had the Fire, I rooted it and installed Firefox on it by downloading the .apk file.  Though, before I returned it, I (of course) unrooted it and returned it to factory defaults.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 07, 2015, 01:51:01 pm
:D Playstation 2 is a great console, really. I heard it can also be made into a probable computer using a Linux CD (by Sony), keyboard and mouse. It suffered a lens problem and it's still there inside my closet.

I have finished playing San Andreas till the last mission and I loved it. The story, the characters, the humour, I loved em all. some missions were too hard, so I had to use cheat codes for help :P

My tablet came pre rooted as it was from a cheap local brand. However the stock ROM had bugs like wrong battery info, no GPU support for games, awful UI). So I installed a custom ROM. and I tried on installing custom ROMs until one day, it took its last breath and stopped turning on. Then I gave it to a repair guy who made me a good offer for it. he gave me a pre owned repaired PS2 console in exchange for my bricked android tablet. seemed like a good offer, so I took it. the PS2 worked good until it's lens got damaged. it wasn't modded either. :(

Kindle uses a customized version of android right? and perhaps uses their own app store (amazon). I have always dreamt of buying a device with stock android (as offered by Google). but nexus devices are don't fit my budget and local brands don't fit my satisfaction. Motorola uses stock android. I'm thinking of getting a Motorola after I am done with my Xperia :D
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: scifidude79 on September 07, 2015, 02:12:38 pm
OK, we really should have split this gaming discussion off to another thread.  Unfortunately, I got caught up in the discussion and didn't think to do so before now.  But, I've created a new thread in the gaming forum:

http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,2373.0.html

If someone with super mod powers would like to merge the gaming discussion posts into that thread, that would be grand.  If not, I apologize for anyone coming in here expecting to see posts about Linux desktop environments and instead found us nerding out about gaming.   :-[
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: sskarma on September 07, 2015, 03:07:40 pm
You're right. This thread was about DEs and we are talking about linux gaming :D It's good to have a discussion between gamers once in a while. :)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: penda2015 on October 09, 2015, 07:13:55 am
i ordered a bundle of linux distros off amazon along with a dongle since the one i am using only accepts windows. you can take a look here

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Collection-Operating-System-Kubuntu/dp/B00XZUMIAM/ref=sr_1_2?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1444389148&sr=1-2&keywords=Linux+Collection+-+8+Linux+Operating+System%3A+Ubuntu%2C+Fedora%2C+PEARL%2C+Mint%2C+Kubuntu%2C+Korora%2C+Zorin%2C+Bodhi.

Never used them before has anybody tried any of these and found them better or worse than Peppermint 6?
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 09, 2015, 07:18:39 am
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has anybody tried any of these and found them better or worse than Peppermint 6?

Methinks you might be asking in the wrong place ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop environments compared
Post by: Slim.Fatz on October 09, 2015, 11:26:23 am
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has anybody tried any of these and found them better or worse than Peppermint 6?

Methinks you might be asking in the wrong place ;)

LOL  :D   In case you're interested: I find them all clearly worse than Peppermint Six. There is not one that I would even consider as a replacement for Peppermint Six should the world suddenly change and Peppermint Six no longer existed.

Regards,

-- Slim