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Title: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 15, 2015, 02:53:24 am
Hi

Apologies if this is else where on the forums and I have missed it.

I know everyone raves about VLC but...  when on KDE I prefer to use Dragon Player...  What can I use here on Peppermint... Recommendations please  ;D

Zeb...
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC
Post by: aagimob on June 15, 2015, 03:06:46 am
 I use VLC, Totem and MPV. :P
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC
Post by: emegra on June 15, 2015, 03:23:58 am
SMPlayer is an excellent video player and it has a first class youtube browser if I remember correctly there was a problem with the version in the repos so if you want to try it i would suggest you download it from here http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/  (http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/) that would be my recommendation



Graeme
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 15, 2015, 03:40:16 am
I use VLC, Totem and MPV. :P

Thank You I will check them out
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 15, 2015, 03:43:05 am
SMPlayer is an excellent video player and it has a first class youtube browser if I remember correctly there was a problem with the version in the repos so if you want to try it i would suggest you download it from here http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/  (http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/) that would be my recommendation

Graeme

Thank you... downloaded and installed... it's throwing a few wobbly's but I am sure it will settle down once I have everything set how I like it.  It doesn't like changing things mid playing.  It will stop with oops message.  stop and restart the program and the changes you made have stored ok and it then plays fine

Zeb...
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC
Post by: VinDSL on June 15, 2015, 07:12:50 am
Recommendations please

In my experience, all players have strengths and weaknesses, depending on the intended usage.  So, it more or less depends on your listening/viewing habits.

Personally, the only reason I need a player is for capturing, storing, and playing MP3 podcasts.  And, the only thing I need headphones for is playing podcasts at 3:00 AM, when I first awake (happy wife - happy life).  ;D

My favorite MP3 podcast player is (still) Guayadeque (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayadeque_Music_Player) - the former Peppermint default player.  Actually, Guayadeque is one of the first things that drew me to Peppermint.  It was just one less thing that I had to install and setup, after a fresh install.

My second choice in MP3 podcast players is Rhythmbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythmbox). It used to be a kludge, but they've cleaned up the UI in recent years.

For everything else, I use VLC - the current Peppermint default player.  Totem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Videos) is also a decent media player, and a little easier to get accustomed to than VLC.

BTW, my favorite headphones are Sennheiser(s) et al.  I prefer the classic HD414 model (http://www.tonepublications.com/old-school/sennheiser-hd-414-and-424/) - I own two pair of them.   8)
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 15, 2015, 07:58:06 am
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on KDE I prefer to use Dragon Player...  What can I use here on Peppermint

dragonplayer (?)

Theoreticall there should be  nothing stopping you from installing dragonplayer .. it's in the repos .. but expect it to pul in a LOT of KDE dependencies.
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 15, 2015, 08:12:02 am
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on KDE I prefer to use Dragon Player...  What can I use here on Peppermint

dragonplayer (?)

Theoretically there should be  nothing stopping you from installing dragonplayer .. it's in the repos .. but expect it to pul in a LOT of KDE dependencies.

Hi,  which is exactly what I did not want to do :)   I wanted to keep Peppermint as clean as possible :)   Mistakes I have made in the past is just to install programs willy nilly and slowly but surely you lose your way and you have some halfbreed hybrid system.    Peppermint works so well now I did not want to mess it up too much.    LOL  I know so little I probably have by installing SMPlayer

Zeb...
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 15, 2015, 08:16:09 am
Recommendations please

BTW, my favorite headphones are Sennheiser(s) et al.  I prefer the classic HD414 model (http://www.tonepublications.com/old-school/sennheiser-hd-414-and-424/) - I own two pair of them.   8)

I hear you there literally - http://en-uk.sennheiser.com/closed-headphones-stereo-headphones-hd-205 (http://en-uk.sennheiser.com/closed-headphones-stereo-headphones-hd-205) is what I use when the wifey shouts upstairs to turn it down.  Of the cheaper headsets I looked at - these certainly sounded best to my untrained ears

Zeb...

ps Thanks to everyone replying  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: aagimob on June 15, 2015, 08:32:22 am
Good and "God" for you... :P
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 15, 2015, 08:35:21 am
For video I'd stick with VLC .. for Audio either DeadBeef or Clementine depending on requirements.
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on June 15, 2015, 08:42:05 am
For video I'd stick with VLC .. for Audio either DeadBeef or Clementine depending on requirements.

This is what I do too.  I have VLC on both of my machines.  For audio, I have Clementine on the 64-bit Fujitsu Siemens and DeadBeaF on the 32-bit Acer Aspire One.  I haven't used any media player that's better for videos than VLC.  Nothing comes even close to it in my opinion  ;)!!
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: emegra on June 15, 2015, 01:28:17 pm
@ zebedeeboss

If SMPlayer doesn't work out for you it's a simple matter to uninstall it and try something else,

I use it mainly for the youtube browser it just seems so much easier and faster than youtube itself and it used to have a simple right click and download feature which worked really well untill youtube changed the code which has led the SMPlayer team to build from scratch so that may account for it being a little buggy for you, hopefully they'll sort that out and give us back the download feature

Anyway good luck whatever you choose


Graeme
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on June 15, 2015, 01:38:44 pm
Have you tried the CLI programme, youtube-dl to rip YouTube material?  It is really good at what it does.  I use it all the time to download tutorials.  I then watch them at leisure on VLC.  It's rips videos from other sites too: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ (https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/).  It's in the repos.
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apt install youtube-dl
It's a really useful tool  ;).
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: scifidude79 on June 15, 2015, 01:40:07 pm
Don't forget a meta package with codecs.  Libavcodec-extra should get you what you need.  Or, you can install one of the restricted extras packages.  Xubuntu Restricted Extras is a nice one, in my opinion.  You get more stuff than you do with the Lubuntu one.

Personally, SMPlayer is my second favorite video player after VLC.  It's my favorite front end for MPlayer.
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: emegra on June 15, 2015, 01:52:46 pm
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Have you tried the CLI programme, youtube-dl to rip YouTube material?

Yeah i have it installed and that's what i use now it's a great tool and probably does more in as much as it can download from sites other than youtube, but as far as youtube videos were concerned it was just so easy with smplayer no opening terminal, typing or pasting url's just right click and download

the problem I've found with video downloaders (youtube in particular) is that there's a moving target so just last week youtube-dl stopped working because youtube changed  the code so in response the youtube-dl team update their code which is fine but the problem is they don't update the version in the repos (which no longer works) so I had no way of updating

the only way i could get around it was to install a pip version which I can now update at any time



Graeme
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on June 15, 2015, 02:11:26 pm
If you downloaded it from the repos an:
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apt update
does the trick.  If you downloaded it from somewhere else.  This is the update code:
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sudo youtube-dl -U

Edit: If you're experiencing problems updating the repo version.  Try installing this:
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sudo apt-get install python-pip -y && sudo pip install --upgrade youtube_dl
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: emegra on June 15, 2015, 02:31:14 pm

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sudo apt-get install python-pip -y && sudo pip install --upgrade youtube_dl

That's how i had to do it




Graeme
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on June 15, 2015, 02:38:41 pm

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sudo apt-get install python-pip -y && sudo pip install --upgrade youtube_dl

That's how i had to do it




Graeme

My too, it works great.  I just wasn't sure if you'd installed the extras to fix it  ;).
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 15, 2015, 03:06:09 pm
Still not convinced pip is the best method of installation here.

See:
http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=12465.0



I wouldn't add the webupd8 repos, too many packages in it .. but nothing stopping you getting the latest youtube-dl .deb file from there and installing it
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: emegra on June 15, 2015, 03:13:31 pm
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Still not convinced pip is the best method of installation here.

I kinda agree but the problem as i see it is not the installation method it's keeping it updated and working, there's no ppa available for youtube-dl and because of the nature of the program it's not the program devs that are in control here it's youtube

so how else do you get around the problem ?


Graeme
Title: Re: Alternative to VLC [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 15, 2015, 09:13:25 pm
That IS a PPA .. and always contains the latest version as a .deb  :-\