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Title: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 11, 2014, 04:04:21 am
Hello everyone, how's it going?  Many of us are using some sort of dock to launch our apps.  Docky has been my choice from when I started to use Linux with LMDE back in 2013.  It served me well through Crunchband 11 "Waldorf" and Peppermint OS Four until I upgraded to Peppermint Five.  The version in the Ubuntu repository is: Docky 2.2.0.  This version is really buggy.  If you are using a laptop, (The Pepperminter's prefered choice of weaponry  :D).  Docky cuts out when the power adapter is removed, the lid closed, the machine is suspended and hibernated.  Docky 2.2.0 needs to be restarted manually every time - really annoying eh  >:(.  I found a solution of a kind.  It can be seen in this link: http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,538.0.html (http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,538.0.html) Reply #6.  While this provides a solution of sorts.  It is not exactly satisfactory because it introduces new anomalies like "ghosting".  It makes Docky very ugly.

I finally became fed up with it and removed it and installed the Cairo-Dock.  I immediately hated that and it was removed without a second thought  :-X.  I missed the simple elegance of Docky.  I figured that there must be a ppa with an up to date version.  Well there is - albeit a beta version: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa.  Eureka  :o, it works beautifully!  The ppa informs us that it is a "beta" version for developers. Ironically, it is much more stable than the current "Stable" version in the repos. Here's how to install it.

Open a terminal window with the following keystrokes: Ctrl+Alt+t

TipLinux is case sensitive.  To reduce the possibility of typographical errors please use the Code: [Select] function below to highlight the contents. Click on the centre mouse button/wheel while in the terminal window to paste the contents.

First, remove the existing Docky if you have it installed.

Enter the following command:
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apt remove --purge docky
Hit enter and enter your user password if asked.

Note: For enhanced security, passwords are entered invisibly.  There is NO indication of any user input.  You may enter an incorrect password 3 times before you have to repeat the action you are trying to apply.

Next remove the clumsy solution if you have applied it.

Enter the following command:
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sudo rm -v /etc/pm/sleep.d/20_docky
Hit enter and enter the following command:
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sudo rm -v /etc/pm/power.d/20_docky
Hit enter.

Now install the ppa and Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa.

Enter the following command:
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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:docky-core/ppa 
You will see a whimsical warning. This gave me a chuckle  ;D:
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This ppa is used for docky developers. Beta testing anything here is like walking into a burning building. We wont stop you, but you will probably get cooked alive.
 More info: https://launchpad.net/~docky-core/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
Hit enter. Enter your password if asked.  You will be asked for confirmation of the action - hit enter again.

Enter the following code:
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apt update && apt install docky -y
Hit enter.  After Docky has installed, launch it from: menu>Accessories>Docky

That does it.  You should have an elegant "stable" albeit a "beta" version of Docky up and running.  I hope this is a permanent solution - have fun  ;)!!
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: 10i on October 11, 2014, 05:03:26 am
Hi Andy, that is a well written tutorial  :)

I don't normally use docks, but I am giving it a go with Cairo. Which did close a few times, where I needed to restart it. It is running better now (3 reboots later).

Does Docky use a lot of resources? I am asking because of my 1.6 Ghz atom CPU. I try to always run lightweight apps when possible.

Glad you found a way around the buggy "stable" version  ;)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 11, 2014, 05:31:34 am
Hi 10i.  Thanks, I try write with nOObs in mind.  Yes, Docky is lighter that Cairo-Dock and slightly heavier than Plank.  It is a really nice compromise between the other two.  Docky doesn't have all the "whizz bang" bells and whistles of Cairo-Dock.  They just irritate me.  It is far more refined than Plank though.  It is customisable, without going over the top and becoming a memory/CPU hog.  There are plenty of default themes and even more to download.  I find it a really elegant dock.  It does the job really well  ;)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: 10i on October 11, 2014, 06:43:16 am
You have convinced me, I am going to try Docky  :)

edit: I installed it, and so far so good. Looks good. Will let you know if I have any issues.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: rjm65 on October 11, 2014, 09:03:48 am
I guess I am old school, but if you want your machine to look like a mac, and act like a mac, then go buy a mac....    :)
This is Peppermint linux, it is not a mac....  ;)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: 10i on October 11, 2014, 11:47:34 am
I guess I am old school, but if you want your machine to look like a mac, and act like a mac, then go buy a mac....    :)
This is Peppermint linux, it is not a mac....
;)

It is nice to have a choice and be able  customize.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 12, 2014, 02:51:50 am
I guess I am old school, but if you want your machine to look like a mac, and act like a mac, then go buy a mac....    :)
This is Peppermint linux, it is not a mac....  ;)

not all of us can afford the high price of a mac.
also some of use like the aqua interface but want the freedom to change at anytime
and also don't want to support satanists like bill gates or apple.


and i happen to like cario dock and haven't noticed it sucking to my power on my system or had many errors either.
Didn't like plank to simple and docky to much hassle with the glitches cario dock did the trick for me.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 12, 2014, 02:54:59 am
Hi 10i.  Thanks, I try write with nOObs in mind.  Yes, Docky is lighter that Cairo-Dock and slightly heavier than Plank.  It is a really nice compromise between the other two.  Docky doesn't have all the "whizz bang" bells and whistles of Cairo-Dock.  They just irritate me.  It is far more refined than Plank though.  It is customisable, without going over the top and becoming a memory/CPU hog.  There are plenty of default themes and even more to download.  I find it a really elegant dock.  It does the job really well  ;)

I actually removed most of the bells and whistles from cario dock. I just like the look of it and that i get no errors but all of the built in
features I'm currently not using ANY of them.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 12, 2014, 03:57:26 am
Go with what suits you. That's one of the greatest gifts Linux offers its users - "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, (and sisters)....  :D".   Freedom of choice "Rocks"  ;)!!
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 12, 2014, 07:29:20 am
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Go with what suits you. That's one of the greatest gifts Linux offers its users - "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, (and sisters)....  :D".   Freedom of choice "Rocks"  ;)!! -- AndyInMokum

I agree.  ;)

And I might be the only guy in town who actually likes the Unity interface -- with its built-in dock.  I just don't like how Ubuntu tied everything into Unity making it an unwieldy OS.  (I know that's why it's called Unity!)  12.04 was a lot lighter, and less cluttered, than 14.04, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to be listening to its users when we say we don't want Amazon's search suggestions, or all those unnecessary Dash plugins. 

The latest Unity OS makes my laptop move like mud.  Docky, or Plank, or the Application Launch Bar, are all much kinder to my laptop within Peppermint than Ubuntu's Unity 14.04 will ever be.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: VinDSL on October 12, 2014, 02:02:41 pm
I agree.  ;)

And I might be the only guy in town who actually likes the Unity interface -- with its built-in dock.

Might not be the time and place, but we're in 'GNU/Linux Discussion'.  I'll keep it brief - a few screenies   ;D

Judging by your posts, it sounds like you might be ready for the Gnome 3 DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME).  That's what I use 99% of the time in Ubu.

You know how the "built-in dock" looks.  Here's the good ol' rotating cube -- Unity's best feature IMO -- 'Compiz':

(http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-desktop-12-oct-2014-1.png)


Unity is built on top of the Gnome 3 DE.  Here's how the GS 'dock' looks.  It's like Unity, but better:

(http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-desktop-12-oct-2014-2.png)


And, you can add a classic 'button style' main  menu via GS extensions (https://extensions.gnome.org/), if you wish.  It's a one-click affair:

(http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-desktop-12-oct-2014-3.png)


Unity is okay, but I find GS to be much more useful and much less resource intensive.

You might find it interesting, too...
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 12, 2014, 02:45:23 pm
Since we now use the xfwm4 window manager instead of openbox, compiz will work just fine in Peppermint 4 and 5 .. so no need for that GS or Unity rubbish .. you can have your wobbly windows and rotating cube, etc. fix without them :)

Hey, someone said we're all entitled to our opinions ;)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: VinDSL on October 12, 2014, 03:59:52 pm
Hey, someone said we're all entitled to our opinions ;)

Heh!  I like my Peppermint lean n' mean... my desktop machine, not so much.

I'm a valiant trencherman with a healthy appetite, but do not enjoy breaking Peppermint.

That's what Ubu is for...    :D
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 12, 2014, 05:09:25 pm
Thank you, VinDSL and PCNetSpec. 

I only like the Unity Interface (e.g. the disappearing dock, and the clever Dash), but I'm very disappointed with the OS itself.  As I said, it's way too heavy for my computer.

I know this is a Docky thread -- that's why I jumped into it, and it's also the reason why I moved my Application Launch Bar post out of it.  I still like Plank for its simplicity, but I was delighted to discover the Application Launch Bar.  Heck it does everything Plank does, and it's built right into Peppermint's panel.  It's fast, and it's light on resources.  I considerate it to be a hidden gem within LXDE.

I'll look more into Gnome 3D, and I'll look into Compiz.  I know so little about either of them.

Thank you both very much,

perknh
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 12, 2014, 07:51:22 pm
yep i was thinking of actually doing that soon adding another panel on the bottom and setting my apps in the launch bar to conserve some resources even though
i didnt notice cario dock taking up to my space, than making it transparent so the icons are just there I think i will mess with this later on and see how it works if i like it
maybe ill go this route.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 13, 2014, 07:16:13 am
Hello iamesperambient,

The Application Launch Bar works well.  The tricks that worked for me in Panel Settings/Appearance were to make the background color black #000000 without opacity (moving the slider all the way to the right), and make the font custom color white (#FFFFFF) and the font size 20.

And in Panel settings/Geometry: Width 100%, Height 22 pixels, and Icon size 28 pixels.  I did this for two computers -- one with a 17 inch screen, and the other 15.6 inches.  You have to make these things big enough so you don't lose seeing your volume icon, etc, but I'm sure other configurations would work well too.  I just don't know what they are.

perknh
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 13, 2014, 12:40:58 pm
thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 13, 2014, 03:34:41 pm
Certainly.  If you try it, I hope it all works out for you.  To be honest, I a bit stunned at how well the Application Launch Bar works.   ;)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 14, 2014, 01:16:05 am
i gave it a shot def works well i think im going to use this set up for a desktop i think im going to for a black and red theme once i get a new desktop
and keep my whole blue aqua set up for my laptop with cairo dock. the app launch bar totally works though i have some apps on my top panel now which are set up from the launch bar.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: artman on October 14, 2014, 03:03:46 am
Agree docky is better than cairo.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 14, 2014, 06:21:00 am
Hi iamesperambient and artman,

iamesperambient, I'm glad you think it will work out for you for your future black and red desktop.  The icons on the Application Launch Bar should look nice and work well. 

And artman, I'd say for system resources. going from light to heavy it would go like this:  Application Launch Bar, Plank, Docky, and then Cairo Dock.  As for ease of use, Docky is easier to use than Cairo Dock.  There are fewer things to set up.

perknh



Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 15, 2014, 12:56:24 pm
i found docky goes away when i close my laptop or log in and out of a session i didn't find it very reliable.
I found cario dock to be much more reliable and has the look i want. I actually unchecked all the effects
and bells and whistles from cario dock, so that is is just a dock like docky but one that works very solid.
I find if you don't use all the effects and crazy features on cairo dock it won't suck up to many resources
(so far in 3 months about now) i have had no issues with that and cario dock. I found docky unstable
and i found plank to be to plain in fact if my choice was only plank i would just use the app launch bar.

That being said on my next set up once i get a new comp i will i have one panel on the top with time/volume/wifi
than my panel on the bottom (transparent) will my apps im hoping to get a black/gey/red theme going and make the panel
tranasparent so the just the icons are there.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 15, 2014, 01:41:55 pm
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im hoping to get a black/gey/red theme going and make the panel
tranasparent so the just the icons are there. -- iamesperambient

You should end up with an interesting look.  It's amazing how much we can personalize these Linux distributions.  8)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 15, 2014, 07:29:28 pm
yeah totally im trying to find a good grey/red theme with red highlights actually i can't seem to find a nice theme for these colors
also i can't seem to find faenza style icons in ted :/
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 15, 2014, 11:00:53 pm
Hello iamesperambient,

According to our Synaptic Package Manager, we already have faenza style icons.  If you can have them in the color red, I do not know.

I bet there's a way to do what you want, and if anyone here would know how, I bet that person would be VinDSL.  I don't know if he's made this claim or not, but the man is an artist.  I have a hunch he'd be able to point you in the direction you want to go with the faenza style icons using the color red.  ;)

perknh
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 16, 2014, 12:11:12 am
thansk for now im using a different icon theme which is 'ok' for now. and yes i had the faenza cuppertino (the blue ones) but now im doing a black/red theme.
also how do i make the application launch bar on a bottom panel be in the center ? so far i can only get it on the left side and i'd prefer to have it in the center.
and i suppose there is no way to change how the icons look with out changing the total icon theme for the system? this is one of the other reasons why i like cario dock.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 16, 2014, 06:31:36 am
It makes sense what you are saying:   You end up being able to do more with Cairo dock.  You'll pay more -- with system resources -- but you'll get more.  Cairo Dock does give you the most options of all the docks I'm aware of, and the Application Launch Bar, although not technically a dock, gives you the least.

You may have a computer in which system resources is not a problem.  If that's the case, I'd say go with Cairo.  You'll be able to do more with it, and you'll end up with a great looking desktop. 

We're talking about art here.  It's okay to splurge a little!  ;)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 16, 2014, 06:23:51 pm
agreed so far i haven't noticed cario dock taking up to much resources but i also dont use any of the special features i just wanted a stand alone dock i nthe middle which
doesnt crash in which i can set any icons i want and cairo dock does just that. I do like how a bottom panel looks too though. i just wish i could get the icons i nthe middle.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 16, 2014, 07:00:56 pm
I believe you can put the Application Launch Bar in the middle of the panel by just adding more and more spacers.  I don't know how many spacers you can add though, because I never tried doing what you are trying to do.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 17, 2014, 02:01:03 am
thanks ill give that a go and let you know if it works.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: perknh on October 17, 2014, 07:47:28 am
I hope you can add enough space on the panel to put that Application Launch Bar where you want it.  I don't know how many spacers you can add to the panel, but something tells me you're going to find out.  ;)
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 17, 2014, 03:03:04 pm
hahaha def im going to play around with it soon. if i can get a nice black panel at the bottom with even less resources used it would be nice its just
a shame you cant use custom icons i think thats the only reason why i dig cario dock (and them specifically cos their the only one that doesn't crash
or have bugs at least for me).
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 17, 2014, 03:14:00 pm
Have you tried the version of Docky that I started the thread with?  All the problems that are associated with the one in the repo are gone.  At least on my machine, it has given me no problems at all.  As I said in the original posting, it is ironic that the supposedly unstable experimental one is rock solid compared to the flakey "stable" one in the repos  :D.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 18, 2014, 01:12:46 pm
that is odd. how much light really is docky supposed to be than cario dock ? is there any information on how much less resources it uses ?
and how would i download this version you speak of to give it a go?
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 18, 2014, 01:34:12 pm
The very first posting of the thread is a step by step tutorial on how to download and install Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa  ;).



Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 18, 2014, 01:36:32 pm
and this version supposedly doesnt have the glitch when you close your laptop lid it closes out and needs to be restarted? that was the main glitch i had with docky.
im just curious how much lighter it would be on resources than cario dock?
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 18, 2014, 01:41:32 pm
can you use custom icon sets with docky i don't remember?
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 18, 2014, 02:23:57 pm
Yes you can use custom icon sets,  I'm using an icon set called, Moka-Minimal.  See image:

(http://s6.postimg.org/5farmjhwt/Moka_Minimal_1_004.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5farmjhwt/)

With the setup I'm using, Docky uses around 80MB (2% of 4GB RAM) and next to zero CPU usage. See image:

(http://s6.postimg.org/e91o3n4vh/Task_Manager_003.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/e91o3n4vh/)

This version has NONE of the problems associated with version 2.2.0.  It functions within normal parameters.  The Docky theme being used is, docky-invisible.  I hope this helps  ;).
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 19, 2014, 12:58:07 am
on my system it says cario dock is only 38 mb and 1 % usually so i guess thats good?
if cario really isn't using up so much ram than i guess ill stick with it.
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 19, 2014, 12:59:38 am
i would like an invisable dock buit for me with cario i actually set custom icons i have downloaded from deviant art for each app or from other sites
so their very custom can you do this with docky?
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 20, 2014, 11:32:14 am
Yes you can set individual icons with Docky.  For example download or make the icon(s) you wish to use and apply it/them to the programme(s) you are working on.  Navigate to where ever these programmes are located and drag and drop whatever programme you want to Docky.  A good location for is: ~/.local/share/applications for locally saved packages/programmes and /usr/share/applications for globally saved  packages/programmes.  The Docky themes can be easily found with a DDG or Google search.  I hope this helps  ;).
Title: Re: Docky 2.2.1 bzr docky r1855 ppa
Post by: iamesperambient on October 20, 2014, 11:38:50 am
thansk i may give it a shot. so far though looking at my task manager cario is pretty low on resources so i dont
think at this time i need to remove it. I'm trying to think if there is anything else i would remove which uses a lot
of resources but it appears my meter only really goes up high and my temps when im watching videos other than that
everything seems to be pretty light running. and not videos on my HD using vlc but videos via hulu/netflix.