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New Users / Re: Deja-dup, cloning and backup basics
« Last post by spence on November 17, 2020, 02:16:05 pm »
This is an excellent and timely reminder @Sgt_Pepper... many of our tutorials on the two boards which mention them may well be outdated. Most certainly will be as our Peppermint 11 releases continue progressing thru their alpha stages.


Personally, I keep all of my "can't be lost data" on an external USB drive. Ever since finding Peppermint One, I have followed the advice to reformat and start with completely fresh installations.

New Users / Re: Deja-dup, cloning and backup basics
« Last post by Sgt_Pepper on November 17, 2020, 10:49:54 am »
I just noticed that the tutorials on using "Back in time" are starting to look a bit long in the tooth but they seem well written and clear.  :)  It's great to see that the application has been around for at least a decade and maybe it has some new functions not mentioned in these two links:  (from 2012)  (from 2010)

I've also used the on a number of occasions and it's pretty cool!

BTW, I came across the following guide on using symbolic links to a data partition on the forum tutorial section and this is a very cool solution to preserve your data when upgrading or changing distros.,1835.0.html

It's different than backing up data as has been so far discussed and backing up your data is still a good idea but this solution gets around the potential mess of restoring the entire home partition when changing or upgrading a distro. It's definitely something that I'd like to try the next time I install a new distro.  ;D

Software & Applications / Software Manager. Now Resolved.
« Last post by Fitzroy on November 17, 2020, 02:45:23 am »
Have just attempted to open software manager and got a box which says "generating cache" and which after a few seconds then disappears.

Also there's a Software option which when you go in gives a few "recommendations" and headings like Audio and Video but which when clicked on are just are blank "boxes".

Anyone help me out here as I was expecting something similar to what Software Manager used to be?

Just to add one other thing I've just found in system there's a software option which when clicked on says "software catalogue is being loaded". It's been doing this for twenty minutes now but hasn't loaded anything.
New Users / Re: Deja-dup, cloning and backup basics
« Last post by invisible on November 16, 2020, 03:34:41 pm »
Of course, it's a good idea to share resources but I will add a caveat.

Be careful with advice that was published many years ago.

Only is dated 2020.

Here is another place to find alternative software (I used Clonezilla as the target and Linux as the filter)

New Users / Re: Deja-dup, cloning and backup basics
« Last post by Sgt_Pepper on November 16, 2020, 09:05:41 am »
Thanks for those suggestions invisible. Yes, making an image before installing a new kernel, version of grub or major update could be a real lifesaver. 

In my quest for the best backup strategies, I've come across several useful websites that list many different ways to backup/restore/clone partitions. I think they could be useful to other members in the forum and I'd like to share them here (I hope that's ok). (extensive list of 25 backup tools and short summary of each)

Have anyone used any of the apps mentioned in these links? If so, which did you find the most reliable and would you recommend to newcomers?
New Users / Re: Deja-dup, cloning and backup basics
« Last post by invisible on November 15, 2020, 02:50:45 pm »
I don't think .dbus is mission critical. It may be one of those config files that is re-created when you log in. I don't have .dbus in my user directory.

Backing up a Peppermint user folder and and restoring to another Peppermint would be fine.
However, if you have decided not to use a certain piece of software in your new installation, then there would be little point in restoring the user configuration files of an unused application. e.g. I always use grsync, so I always restore the .grsync file.

Clonezilla can be used anytime - especially after adding multiple software packages.
Also, it would be advisable to make an image before any major update i.e. new kernel or grub or even adding software from an extraneous source (i.e. an unknown ppa or unfamiliar repository).

I have not used Back in Time so I cannot comment from experience.

Clonezilla and grsync suit my needs and give me confidence to be able to experiment outside my comfort zone.
User Submitted Tutorials / Re: How To: Use symlinks to a DATA partition
« Last post by Sgt_Pepper on November 15, 2020, 12:47:56 pm »
Hi Slim,

Thank you for your clear explanation on the reasoning behind using symlinks.  :)   It seems like a very elegant solution and how one could avoid problems down the road.  I'm a home user and don't generate massive amounts of data, nor do I have multiple distros sharing the same partition but it makes a lot of sense to me to separate data from the root partition.  This has saved me numerous times since the days of XP.   :D

One thing that still has me a bit puzzled is under what circumstances I could restore my entire home partition.  :-\ From my understanding, in order to restore one's home partition, it would have to be the exact same version of Peppermint (in my case, PM 10 respin) or whatever distro one is using.  However, it seems that one's root partition is much more likely to become unbootable or seriously borked than the home partition getting trashed and that brings to mind, my next question.  If I re-install a sparkling fresh version of PM 10 respin, could I keep using my old home partition or would I need to have cloned the latest "image" of my root partition?

Sorry for all the questions and if I've strayed too far from symlinks but this has got me more than a bit confused.

Thanks again for any suggestions or wisdom that you could pass on.   ;D

New Users / Re: Deja-dup, cloning and backup basics
« Last post by Sgt_Pepper on November 15, 2020, 12:01:36 pm »
Hello invisible and many thanks for your suggestion to use grsync. I can see the advantage of not using compression in order to access individual files and it seems that Deja Dup doesn't save much space when using compression.  I chose Deja Dup initially because I've read good things about it and it's very easy to use.

I connected my WD passport external drive to a different usb port today and was able to make a backup but got the following msg after verification of files at the very end: "could not backup the following files: /home/alan/.dbus and make sure you are able to open them." Are these files "mission critical" to restoring a backup?

I'm still not clear about restoring the entire home partition. Would it work on the same version of Peppermint or is this asking for trouble and would mess up a clean installation?  Should I just restore everything in my home folder from the home partition? In that case, it doesn't seem necessary to backup the entire home partition... I've been in the habit of separating my data from the system since the days of XP and it's saved me and my data more than once but I really don't have experience of restoring an image. I usually end up just reinstalling the system if things get too messed up but this isn't the most elegant way to do things. lol!

As far as using Clonezilla for making an image of your system goes, is it best to use it immediately after installing one's desired distro and all apps or can it be used at any time to take "snapshots" of the system? Maybe "back in time" would be more suited for this purpose?

It'd be great to hear any thoughts and suggestions on these topics. :-)

User Submitted Tutorials / Re: How To: Use symlinks to a DATA partition
« Last post by Slim.Fatz on November 15, 2020, 08:27:59 am »
Hi Sgt_Pepper,

I'm very happy to read your appreciation of the tutorial. Thank you very much for the kind words!  :)

While there is no really best way to set up your partitions, the way I describe in the tutorial is very good and has stood the test of time. The main improvement that one might consider making (as a private home user -- web server users or users with large data base applications usually have different requirements that this tutorial was not intended to solve) is to create a separate /home partition and then put the symlinks to the data partition files in that /home partition. The /home partition is primarily then your repository for the configuration files for most programs and can be backed up itself -- but I advise strongly that you do not use these configuration files (i.e. this /home partition) with any other linux distros or even any other versions of PeppermintOS. The reason is that different distros and even different versions of the same distro can use different program versions that frequently have different configuration files or different config file syntax. This can and has resulted in sometimes very difficult to solve issues. Therefore, other linux distros or other versions of PeppermintOS should get and use their own /home partition.


-- Slim
New Users / Re: Stuck on boot
« Last post by Slim.Fatz on November 15, 2020, 08:01:35 am »
It is also very considerate to mark your issue as (SOLVED) by going to the initial message, clicking on the button Modify, then  adding (SOLVED) to the Subject: line of that message and finally saving/posting that change.  ;)


-- Slim
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