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General Discussion / Peppermint's Public Image
« on: October 27, 2016, 03:56:57 pm »
or "How to attract more people to my favorite distro"
This post is purposely posted in reviews, because they are live demonstration how commonly Peppermint is misunderstood. If we want more people to use PM, we should explain what makes it unique better, and make this description uniform.

So first, let's think of places where people find about Peppermint. For me 3 places come to mind:
I Distrowatch https://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=Peppermint
Probably the most important place, due to a reviewer friendly format, showing the installed packages, popularity and description.
II Peppermint homepage https://peppermintos.com/
III Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint_Linux_OS
Wikipedia is more important than it seems at first sight, because the first paragraph is pulled by search engines and it's tone decides if people even bother to try it.

Now look at them and think if you see a pattern. How is Peppermint described in all of them? As a cloud focused distro. Now, it might be just me, but that's an offense. If I only read that, I would have never considered Peppermint. Luckily, I read the full review on Everyday Linux User. As good as ICE is, it's only one of the 3 selling points, which for me are:
a) perfect balance of lightness and usefulness
b) leaving the choice of applications to the user
c) good webapp integration with ICE
If we want more people to use Peppermint, we should be featuring all 3

Let's see, what we're showing now.
I DW description:
"Peppermint OS is a Lubuntu-based Linux distribution that aims to be lightning fast and easy on system resources. By employing Mozilla's Prism technology Peppermint integrates seamlessly with Cloud and web-based applications. The distribution's other features include automatic updates, easy step-by-step installation, sleek and user-friendly interface, and increased mobility by integrating directly with Cloud-based applications."
This text needs a serious refrubishment. Prism isn't a think since 2010, and leaving the application choice to the user is not even mentioned
On top of that, we should change the "Desktop enviroment" from "LXDE" to "Hybrid: XFCE+LXDE". This would be much more descriptive, help reviewers tell the truth, and also attract some attention

II The distribution page is in much better shape. The slideshow is very informative and shows a good view of the system. We might want to showcase a bit more easy to do customisation with the PCC, but that's something for PM8. The bottom, 3 way split notes attracted a bit more attention. I'm not sure how important the choice of a file manager is for people and whether it warrants a place on the front page.
One more thing I wish we had is a list of preinstalled software, including webapps.

III Wikipedia page
Here I think only the first paragraph should be revisited, because other than that, wikipedia isn't really a common source on distro's. The same paragraph, in a more techincal spin, should replace the current DW description.

That's all I have for now. This post is a result of some PM review reading and a thought exercise of applying the basics of marketing to the case. Feel free to link other places where people find out about PM and and argue why you like it and how it should be presented.
I'll try to get down to writing the paragraphs for DW and Wikipedia some day next week. For wikipedia, if I understand their guidelines correctly, PCNetSpec is not allowed to write one himself, due to a conflict of interest.

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By the way, don't think uBlock Origin will stop them from building a profile on you.  All it will do is ensure that you can't see the ads.
But Privacy Bager +  NoScript, blocking XSS, will.
On top of that, Firefox is also testing tracker blocking outside private mode, which should allow me to ditch Privacy Badger and make my Firefox a bit faster(on my ancient android phone, it takes 6s to load the first site....): https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tracking-protection

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Software & Applications / Re: 4.8 Kernel PPA
« on: October 21, 2016, 06:48:27 pm »
If I understand correctly, this means we'll get the LTSEnablementPack around the time 17.04 is released?
Because 16.04.1 was released within a week from 16.10

Edit: Ok, finally noticed the tiny font which says February 2017 on the graphic

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General Discussion / Re: Whats YOUR favorite PM7 Window Theme?
« on: October 21, 2016, 04:40:37 pm »
Pepermix-Dark-7, with Pepermix-7-Green icon theme for the win ;)
If you don't have that icon theme, search on the forum. It's made on request by PCNetSpec

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It doesn't seem to be the case for me. Skype, from the Ubuntu Partners repository works for 1 to 1 wideo+audio calls and 3 man audio calls.

If anybody is looking for an alternative that suits them, here is the most comprehensive comparison I've found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software

I tried really hard to get my family to use something different than Skype, pushing hard for https://talky.io, but it's a hassle which my grandparents couldn't handle. So having only a browser based client doesn't do the job for me.
I'm currently leaning towards Wire, because they offer a desktop client that works on WebRTC compliant browsers(Firefox & Chrome, maybe Opera), Windows, Android, iJunk and Debian based Linux. My requirements include a desktop application that will autoupdate and stick to a configuration(camera A, microphone B, microphone sensitivity C) , so that I can leave it for my grandparents(still on Windows 7) with minimum maintenance and they can call me with a press of a button. I have not tested it yet, so I can't confirm whether it actually works.

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Software & Applications / 4.8 Kernel PPA
« on: October 21, 2016, 02:42:23 pm »
Some time ago, PCNetSpec mentioned an LTS Enablement Stack for 16.04 in ttps://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4007.15.html.
Because my font erosion :'( still triggers every once in a while(details in the above linked topic), I'd like to ask if it's arrived yet and how to install it

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pshem@PiLenovo ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: PiLenovo Kernel: 4.4.0-43-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 20257 v: IdeaPad S210 Touch
           Mobo: LENOVO model: Ideapad S210 v: 31900003Std
           Bios: LENOVO v: 80CN15WW date: 04/10/2013
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3-3217U (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 1800 MHz 1: 938 MHz 2: 1094 MHz 3: 941 MHz
           4: 1003 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@59.97hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 12.1.0-devel
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-43-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169
           IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (10.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST500LT012 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 47G used: 26G (58%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.17GB used: 0.18GB (4%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 56.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 221 Uptime: 3 days Memory: 1919.5/3830.6MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
Other unique features:
- encrypted instalation,
- sleep works randomly,
- hibernate doesn't work,
- Mesa 12.1 is from OBAIAF PPA repository I no longer update from and I'd gladly replace it with a version from buntu 16.10, but it's a secondary thing

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Development / Re: PM8 ideas?
« on: October 21, 2016, 01:34:33 pm »
Assuming this is a general PM8 suggestions topic(if you prefer sticking to one issue per post, I can separate it), the biggest problem for me so far has been HDMI support.

You have to separately connect the display(and it struggles when the resolutions don't match) and the audio. It would be nice to be able to either connect to all outputs provided by the HDMI cable. The worst thing is that PM drops the settings the moment someone touches the HDMI cable and a slight disconnect occurs.
My proposal, if possible, is to make it work like bluetooth connections, showing a popup asking what you want it to do. After all, if you're plugging something into your machine, you'll probably want to use it

The popup should probably have 2 options:
1) Video connection
a) clone
b) expand screen
c) PC only
d) external display only

2) Resolution & placement (if both were selected in part 1)
A visual representation, showing screens to scale would be really appreciated, but it's not a prority

3) Audio connection
a) external device only
b) pc only
c) both

If this is covered by a program you don't wish to include in PM, that kindly tell me it's name and include it in the recommended list.

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Hardware / Permanent touchscreen disable
« on: October 04, 2016, 08:28:48 pm »
Firstly, I do realize that there is a similar post at https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,2788.msg27591.html and the solutions inside hint that it might not be possible outside the BIOS. I'm treating the BIOS disable as a last resort.

So, back on track: I hate having dirt on my screen, and my laptop goes around a lot. Therefore, I often clean the screen. It's a touch screen, but I never use it. Whenever I clean the screen while the touchscreen is on, the laptop goes mental from the drips of humidity the cloth leaves. On Windows, I managed to disable it in the device manager permanently and never been bothered by it again. On Linux, I have yet to find a permanent solution.

Currently, I run this every boot I remember about it:
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pshem@PiLenovo ~ $ xinput
⎡ Virtual core pointer                    id=2 [master pointer  (3)]
⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              id=4 [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad                id=14 [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ Lenovo Wireless Optical Mouse N60        id=15 [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ ELAN Touchscreen                        id=10 [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎣ Virtual core keyboard                    id=3 [master keyboard (2)]
    ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard              id=5 [slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Power Button                            id=6 [slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Video Bus                                id=7 [slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Power Button                            id=8 [slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Sleep Button                            id=9 [slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Lenovo EasyCamera                        id=11 [slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ Ideapad extra buttons                    id=12 [slave  keyboard (3)]
    ↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard            id=13 [slave  keyboard (3)]
xinput disable 10
.
Unfortunately, this only works 95% of the time, because the other 5% of the time the touch screen is under 11. This happens whenever i turn the laptop on with my mouse plugged in and turned on. Therefore, I had to ditch my initial plan of setting a chronjob to run xinput disable 10 every boot.

So, is there a different way of addressing devices with the xinput command, preferably by a constant item ID?
Just in case it helps, here is the part of xinput list --full about the relevant device:
 
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⎜   ↳ ELAN Touchscreen                        	id=10	[slave  pointer  (2)]
This device is disabled
Reporting 9 classes:
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIButtonClass
Buttons supported: 5
Button labels: "Button Unknown" "Button Unknown" "Button Unknown" "Button Wheel Up" "Button Wheel Down"
Button state:
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass
Detail for Valuator 0:
  Label: Abs MT Position X
  Range: 0.000000 - 3264.000000
  Resolution: 13000 units/m
  Mode: absolute
  Current value: 2662.000000
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass
Detail for Valuator 1:
  Label: Abs MT Position Y
  Range: 0.000000 - 1856.000000
  Resolution: 13000 units/m
  Mode: absolute
  Current value: 1083.000000
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass
Detail for Valuator 2:
  Label: Abs MT Touch Major
  Range: 0.000000 - 255.000000
  Resolution: 2000 units/m
  Mode: absolute
  Current value: 3.000000
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass
Detail for Valuator 3:
  Label: Abs MT Touch Minor
  Range: 0.000000 - 255.000000
  Resolution: 2000 units/m
  Mode: absolute
  Current value: 3.000000
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass
Detail for Valuator 4:
  Label: Abs MT Orientation
  Range: 0.000000 - 1.000000
  Resolution: 0 units/m
  Mode: absolute
  Current value: 0.000000
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass
Detail for Valuator 5:
  Label: Abs MT Tool X
  Range: 0.000000 - 3264.000000
  Resolution: 13000 units/m
  Mode: absolute
  Current value: 2662.000000
Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass
Detail for Valuator 6:
  Label: Abs MT Tool Y
  Range: 0.000000 - 1856.000000
  Resolution: 13000 units/m
  Mode: absolute
  Current value: 1083.000000
Class originated from: 10. Type: XITouchClass
Touch mode: direct
Max number of touches: 10

Oh, and just to feed the bot:
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pshem@PiLenovo ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: PiLenovo Kernel: 4.4.0-38-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 20257 v: IdeaPad S210 Touch
           Mobo: LENOVO model: Ideapad S210 v: 31900003Std
           Bios: LENOVO v: 80CN15WW date: 04/10/2013
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3-3217U (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 1800 MHz 1: 917 MHz 2: 852 MHz 3: 849 MHz
           4: 998 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@59.97hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 12.1.0-devel
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-38-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169
           IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (9.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST500LT012 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 47G used: 22G (49%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.17GB used: 0.05GB (1%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 53.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 202 Uptime: 11:49 Memory: 895.7/3830.6MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

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They do, thank you!

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General Discussion / Re: What music player you are using?
« on: October 03, 2016, 12:27:03 pm »
VLC, with each folder being a playlist. Then again, my collection is only ~30 .mp4a + ~100 .mp3

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General Discussion / Re: WTF? Windows 10 now actually losing market share
« on: October 03, 2016, 12:01:38 pm »
I'm guessing that Ubuntu probably would have Pikolo's grandparents language needs covered.  For ease of use, I still think that Ubuntu's Unity is as simple as simple can be right out of the box.

I thought Steam OS was going to be the bridge to better gaming in Linux.  This sure is a bummer reading what you and Pikolo have to say about gaming in Linux.  I say this because gamers are often on the cutting edge of computing.  I don't want to see Windows monopolizing anything, including gaming.

I used to play 2 games: World of Tanks and War Thunder.
 WoT released an official tutorial, how to run it with Wine... 2 years ago. I tried following it with the updated components, and failed. I tried with Play on Linux, failed again and gave up. After all, it's games that should seek after players, right?
 WT on the other hand is heavily focused on being portable. They support 7 types of hardware, including SteamOS, Steam ran on Linux and a standalone Linux version, except it's not a .deb file, no that would be too much to ask for ;) It runs on minimal settings, similarly to it's Windows performance(thx Intel HD! No irony here, GJ for making it work so well), but that's just because my laptop isn't meant for games.
If you follow OMG Ubuntu, new games are releasing Linux versions daily, and newer games usually have them right from full release(alpha/beta releases on Linux are something I've yet to see). They usually have 40% lower performance compared to DirectX implementations, and this is especially relevant on machines that have to choose between 30 FPS and medium settings

My grandparents are Polish, and I know the language is available on Ubuntu. They even have a polish portal(http://ubuntu.pl/), albeit the language on it is very... stiff? formal? artificially sounding for sure. But correct and understandable. Unfortunately, I don't know how well is the system translated.
Some programs are translated better than the others, for example Open Office(haven't bothered to upgrade it to since before the LO fork) has a beautiful translation.
I tried using Peppermint in Polish and gave up quickly. The translation is half-done and leads to a lot of confusion. Translation is something that Linux has catching up to do, or at least so I though. My Vista is 100% in Polish. My grandparents Windows 7 is a mix, and if not for Team Viewer, they would need to seek a local professional. But if Windows continues to degrade, that will make the barrier of entry ever lower.
BTW, if you need help with the translation PCNetSpec, I should be able to help. I'm on the first year cybersecurity, so I should get the basics of OS inner workings by winter

The DE performance doesn't matter that much, though I'd probably try to get them Cinnamon as it looks similar to what they consider a desktop. Unless I'm missing something, the default XFCE layout mirrors the OSX shell

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New support question .. please don't ignore the autoresponse above ;)
It's been fixed

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I have a "volume off" button on my keyboard, next to "volume up" and "volume down". On Windows, it was capable of turning the volume off and then back on. On Linux, it can only turn it off. To turn it back on, I need to go to the desktop, press the icon in the taskbar, then press "mute audio output" to turn it back on. It's sometimes annoying, especially if I'm in the middle of a full screen game, frantically hitting buttons and loose an important source of feedback by pressing it accidentally.
So, is it possible to make the button unmuted the sound if it's muted in the first place?
It's accessed by F1(my keyboard assumes Fn(function key) is pressed by default, so it would be under Fn+F1 for most keyboards)

You'd think I'd remember to attach inxi after all these requests. You'd be wrong ;)
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pshem@PiLenovo ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: PiLenovo Kernel: 4.4.0-38-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 20257 v: IdeaPad S210 Touch
           Mobo: LENOVO model: Ideapad S210 v: 31900003Std
           Bios: LENOVO v: 80CN15WW date: 04/10/2013
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3-3217U (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 1800 MHz 1: 834 MHz 2: 894 MHz 3: 895 MHz
           4: 855 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@59.97hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 12.1.0-devel
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-38-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169
           IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (27.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST500LT012 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 47G used: 23G (50%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.17GB used: 0.70GB (17%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 210 Uptime: 11 days Memory: 1618.0/3830.6MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

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General Discussion / WTF? Windows 10 now actually losing market share
« on: October 03, 2016, 09:55:49 am »
I believe that we're seeing a dawn of Windows. Most people I know use it for 3 reasons:
a) that's what they know
b) that's where the games are
c) that's what the PC came with

Windows 8 broke part a. Steam and Vulkan are breaking b. C is the biggest problem for the forseeable future, one that got much more important with the rise of laptops.

As for me, I had Win XP on my first PC, in 2004. It worked, games worked, no problems. We got it upgraded to Vista, had some hardware upgrades. It still works, even though it chuggs a lot slower these days.
My laptop, in 2013, came with Windows 8 on it. I hated that thing with passion. Windows 8.1 upgrade made it much more acceptable, and I didn't really think there were alternatives. My father showed me Ubuntu in a VM, but none of my games were on it, so I just accepted the fate. SuperKey+X and a handful of shortcuts was what I used instead of Start menu(I only when to Metro interface by misclicks  ;D and the reader app. It had decent TTS integration).
Then 2015 brought along a "free" Windows 10 update. I finally tried it during winter break in 2016, hoping it would be back to things I respected. Vista for one, or Windows 7 which people praised, even though I've actually never had on my gear. Oh, boy this things was SLOOOOOOOOW. Seriously, I know that i3 and 4 GB RAM might not be that high end, but why would the system menus lag? This was unnacceptable, so I went back to Win8.
Before upgrading to Windows 10, I read a bit about it. for some reason, one of the articles mentioned a guy called RMS. I've been subscribed to his blog ever since. From Stallman, I ran into Distrowatch, where I lurked for 5 months, reading reviews and trying to understand what Linux was. I ran into Peppermint, and a bit as a detox after Win10 bloat, installed a lightweight system. And here I am, not going back.

I'm also NOT going to install windows to any of my grandpas&mas and grandmas who want to go digital, but I'm still not sure about the distribution they could work with. I'd put PeppermintOS for them, but the language barrier is too big(they don't speak English), and not enough parts of the OS are translated. Especially the settings screens are half translated and it's far from ideal. I'll probably give them Mint, or vanilla Ubuntu, as all they ever need is Firefox+LO+PDFviewer+photo viewer, none of which are hard to come by, and the automatic updates on Linux will significantly ease my maintenance time. I think they might even be taught to do that by themselves.

As for people my age(teens, early 20s), we'll see Windows start seriously loosing market share when Vulkan completely replaces DirectX. For now, going to Linux means giving up 75% of your games. When that's <30%, they'll switch. I can see that every time Windows update kicks into the middle of their session, they cringe. Step by step, they'll make the change happen.
And once it does, it will snowball.

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GNU/Linux Gaming / Re: Where to install games?
« on: September 24, 2016, 01:24:14 pm »
It worked beutifully! Thank you very much. If I understand correctly, /usr/share/applications/WarThunder.desktop doesn't get synched with the desktop copy?

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