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At my first glance at their website I thought "Oh, Elementary OS has had a name change"  :D

Idling around 500 mb of memory is good for Gnome shell, I get similar results in Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 w/ animations turned off and Dropbox not running.  By way of contrast my P5 machine is a little over 400 mb idling - but with Dropbox and Spideroak running in the background.

Cool to see ICE in use elsewhere.  Refreshing my memory regarding ICE (after trying earlier an version of Peppermint, 3 I believe) is what led me to give Peppermint another try w/ version 5  :)

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i have 4 of these laptops all mine are 2.0ghz with the ati video except one which has the intel graphics...
All mine run linux mint 17 cinnamon with zero issues, no clue why you are having a problem with video tearing...

Main issue that I have found so far for this T61 seems to be w/ LXDE based distros.  I had it running Mint Cinnamon at some point, most likely version 17 (lots of Distro hopping on this machine so I don't remember all the details at this point LOL).  I don't remember if I had to enable Tear Free option for the Intel video w/ Mint - probably did though.  As I mentioned above Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 performs very well on this machine - once tear free option is enabled for the Intel graphics.  The video tearing issue might not be very noticeable to some, especially if you aren't watching full screen video, but it sticks out like a sore thumb to me LOL

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15.04 probably uses a different kernel and maybe even has a newer graphics driver.  Personally, as much as I love Peppermint, I'd stick with what works.  ;)

That (stick with what works) is one lesson that I have learned several times over in my years with Linux - it is often easier to distro hop and find a distro that works with a particular hardware setup than it us to fix an issue that you are having with a particular distro/hardware configuration. 

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P5 Installed, runs great (& fast goes without saying).  Hybrid drive.  Tear Free enabled for video and desktop effects turned off.   I am sure P6 would run great on this machine, but this is my main home pc and setup is too good to change LOL.  It is one of our Minecraft machines which means I never get to use it...  time for another build  ;D

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~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: xxxxxx Kernel: 3.13.0-57-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Five
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: H97M Anniversary Bios: American Megatrends version: P2.00 date: 05/18/2015
CPU:       Dual core Intel Pentium CPU G3258 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx)
           Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 800.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           X.Org: 1.15.1 driver: intel Resolution: 1920x1080@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.1.3
Audio:     Card-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2: Intel Device 8ca0 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.13.0-57-generic
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: d0:50:99:5c:4c:0f
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1000.2GB (31.3% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST1000DX001 size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID: / size: 910G used: 292G (34%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 8.27GB used: 0.02GB (0%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 32.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 155 Uptime: 4 days Memory: 1062.4/7683.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.17

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This is the problematic T61 that I mentioned in other threads.  Video tearing is an issue with P5 & P6 (even with Tear Free enabled).  Additionally had trouble with Chrome browser crashing unless hardware acceleration was turned off.

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~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: xxxxx-ThinkPad-T61 Kernel: 3.13.0-57-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Five
Machine:   System: LENOVO (portable) product: 7661KW2 version: ThinkPad T61
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 7661KW2 Bios: LENOVO version: 7LETD0WW (2.30 ) date: 02/27/2012
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU T7300 (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx)
           Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 1200.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
           X.Org: 1.15.1 driver: intel Resolution: 1280x800@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.1.3
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel Sound: ALSA ver: k3.13.0-57-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection driver: iwl4965
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:1f:3b:27:39:93
           Card-2: Intel 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:1e:37:8e:02:94
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 100.0GB (3.9% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: HITACHI_HTS72201 size: 100.0GB
Partition: ID: / size: 89G used: 3.7G (5%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 3.19GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 41.0C mobo: 27.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 140 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 454.5/2984.6MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.17

For the benefit of anyone with one of these machines - it runs like a champ w/ Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 as below:

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~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: xxxxx-ThinkPad-T61 Kernel: 3.19.0-22-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: Gnome 3.14.4 Distro: Ubuntu 15.04 vivid
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 7661KW2 v: ThinkPad T61
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 7661KW2
           Bios: LENOVO v: 7LETD0WW (2.30 ) date: 02/27/2012
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T7300 (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2001 MHz 1: 1200 MHz 2: 1600 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 driver: intel
           Resolution: 1280x800@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.5.2
Audio:     Card Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-22-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:1e:37:8e:02:94
           Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
           driver: iwl4965
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:1f:3b:27:39:93
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 120.0GB (19.9% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SSD2SC120G1SA754 size: 120.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 107G used: 20G (20%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 3.19GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0C mobo: 34.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 162 Uptime: 7 min Memory: 869.3/2983.7MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.16

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For the benefit of those with Intel graphics.  The following configuration worked well with Tear Free option enabled and desktop effects disabled.  Full screen Netflix on large TV w/ no video tearing :-)

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~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: xxxxxx-OptiPlex-760 Kernel: 3.16.0-43-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Six
Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex 760
           Mobo: Dell model: 0R230R version: A00 Bios: Dell version: A03 date: 04/29/2009
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU E8400 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx)
           Clock Speeds: 1: 2992.490 MHz 2: 2992.490 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org: 1.16.0 driver: intel Resolution: 1920x1080@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Q45/Q43 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801JD/DO (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.16.0-43-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:23:ae:b2:17:0c
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 163.9GB (4.2% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HDT72101 size: 160.0GB
           2: USB id: /dev/sdb model: STORE_N_GO size: 3.9GB
Partition: ID: / size: 145G used: 6.4G (5%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 36.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 170 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 492.9/1947.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.17

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I realize that this thread has been marked SOLVED, but I want to clear up some misinformation I posted earlier in this thread (that post has been edited). 

I previously suggested that I was unable to enable the Tear Free option for Intel Graphics w/ P6 - and it read as if the problem was an "across the board" issue with P6. 

That is not the case - it turns out I had two different systems that were problematic, but I have also successfully tested P6 on  a Dell Optiplex 760 w/ Intel Core 2 duo processor.   My current thought is that if P5 with Tear Free enabled works on your hardware, P6 is most likely going to work as well (but you will have to test it of course).

I believe the problem on one of my problematic systems may be the mobile cpu - it is a Thinkpad T61, and other LXDE based distro's are also problematic on it (I tested LXLE with the same results).  Strangely as I mentioned previously this system runs Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 very well - so instead of needing an older kernel and Xorg stack it may be the newer ones (kernel, Xorg, Mesa) that 15.04 uses that  is the fix.  Here are the Graphics specs from 15.04 on that system:

Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 driver: intel
           Resolution: 1280x800@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.5.2

I will post additional specs in the "what are you running Peppermint on" section :-)

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My instructions for rolling back the kernel and xorg stack were incomplete (there's still stuff left to do after the instructions above) .. you DID make sure you'd manually booted into the 3.13 kernel didn't you ?

Yes, I did manually boot into the 3.13 kernel

If you roll back the kernel and xorg stack to 3.13 .. effectively you end up with Peppermint 5 with the Peppermint 6 software choices, so if hardware works in Peppermint 5 (with all updates applied), then it should work in Peppermint 6 with the kernel and xorg stack rolled back.

If you want to continue with the rollback (and have followed the instructions above)

Let me test P5 again on this particular piece of hardware (Thinkpad T61 w/ Intel Core 2 Duo) - before I take any more of your time.  If P5 results are positive I will reload P6 and roll back the kernel / Xorg stack  and post the output. 

I have run through a lot of Distro's on this laptop - P5 is working well w/ TearFree enabled on my main home pc, a custom build w/ Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2GH - but I can't remember w/ 100% certainty that I was able to get P5 to work correctly on the T61 so let me verify that first. 

Thanks!

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I fear some of my experience that I relayed may have been an unintentional red herring ...

The P6 install that I mentioned in which I could not enable TearFree - and that I jacked up after encountering dependency issues when rolling back the kernel and Xorg Stack - I believe there was some other issue at play, so I don't believe those results were trustworthy or typical.  This was on a custom build w/ an i7.

I have just tested on a T61 w/ Core 2 duo processor - older hardware.  No problems rolling back the kernel and the Xorg stack; however, the results w/ TearFree enabled while better are not a complete fix - and some other issues appeared that weren't present with the "stock" P6 install (crashes similar to the ones that Chrome's hardware acceleration is known to cause with older hardware).  Old hardware probably to blame?  This hardware performs well w/ Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 installed on an SSD.  Main differences.... SSD and OS w/ different compositing manager (and of course the obvious different DE & ubuntu base)?  This hardware has also done ok with Ubuntu Mate 15.04.

To contrast this with my P5 install that is performing well - it has the same kernel / Xorg configuration as the T61 above (w/ P6 and the rolled back kernel/Xorg stack), but a newer Intel processor with better  graphics ( Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2GHz). 

So at this point I am not sure that either of my examples regarding P6 and video tearing are reliable... I think I would need to install P6 on a system comparable (hardware wise)  to my good P5 system to really compare the two. 

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Yeah if the "TearFree" fix works in Peppermint 5, downgrading the Peppermint 6 kernel and xorg stack, then applying the "TearFree" fix should also work.

I expect you are correct but I haven't been able to verify (yet) - I attempted to test downgrading the kernel and xorg stack on a P6 install, but ran into dependency issues (on the third step of your instructions) and wound up messing up my install to the point that it hangs at the "peppermint starting up" screen.   Something (dumb) I did after attempting to apply the downgrade caused the issue, not your instructions - and this was on an install that I had set up specifically to test P6 and video tearing, so no problems.  I would post more details about the dependency issues but I can't get back in LOL

I have another P6 install on a spare hard drive that I can pop into my T61 and test the downgrade later - if and when I get to that I will post details of the dependency issue.   

Running "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep Tear" should should show TearFree enabled if it has been added to Xorg.conf.d - this is how I determined that in a "stock" install of P6 TearFree isn't enabled (even after you think you have done so). 

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If someone's taking the time to respond it'd be good manners to not change tack in the middle without warning them so they don't waste their time....

My apologies if it seemed that I was saying "hey, do this instead" - my intention was to provide some additional info regarding the issue (based on my experience with it) and offer another potential fix to try after the one that was in progress (if needed).  I should have been a little clearer. 

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This is an issue w/ Intel graphics across most distros .  I had a post a while back regarding my problems w/ video tearing on P5 w/ Intel graphics on multiple machines. 

One factor not mentioned yet is the compositing manager in use.  My experience so far is that Ubuntu w/ Unity desktop is the only distro that doesn't have tearing problems stock w/ Intel graphics (if my memory isn't failing me). 

On several distro's I have been able to rectify the issue by enabling the TearFree option for the driver in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/.   (This option is disabled by default).  This is accomplished by adding a file named 20-intel.conf to the /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (you will need root access).   The contents of the file are as follows:

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Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel Graphics"
Driver "intel"
Option "AccelMethod" "sna"
Option "TearFree" "true"
EndSection

The AccelMethod line may not be necessary as it should default to that setting, but most "guides" recommend it.  If you search the web for "Linux Intel graphics enable TearFree" you will run across some detailed instructions.  Note that on some distros the X11 config files are located in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, and sometimes the recommended file name is 10-intel.conf (I don't think the 10 or 20 matters as long as you aren't replicating the name of another conf file in the folder).

This method has worked for me on a couple of different versions of Ubuntu Mate as well as my current top choice Ubuntu Gnome 15.04.  I was also able to eventually fix the problem on my P5 install using a combination of enabling TearFree and disabling desktop effects.  I am pretty convinced that this fix did not work on P5 initially, so maybe it was after something updated?

Edited to add please disregard the paragraph below, I was incorrect - the problem was specific to a couple of my systems, not an issue w/ P6

All of that talk to get to my experience w/ P6 and Intel graphics.  So far I have not had any luck using this method of enabling TearFree w/ P6 and Intel graphics - and it isn't that TearFree doesn't fix the problem in P6, it is that enabling it doesn't really enable it.  It seems that something may be different regarding the video driver in P6 as well?  (if tear free is really enabled it will show up in /var/log/Xorg.0.log)

Another potential fix for P6 is to install the Compton compositing manager.  I have tried that on P6 as well, but I haven't been able to make that fix the tearing issue either (so far). 

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You know, WallyA, that is and interesting question, and the truth is, I don't know.  :-\  But, I'm not aware of one.  Would you know where I would find such an F-Lock key on the keyboard?

Thank you,

perknh

Some have 'em and some don't - and there isn't really a standard location although they are usually labelled F-Lock.   Wreaks havoc if you are using a function key intensive application like a terminal emulator and it gets toggled by accident :-)

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News and Reviews / Re: Peppermint 6 Review by AJ Reissig (YouTube)
« on: June 18, 2015, 09:57:35 pm »
If you are missing a menu type search feature install Synapse - a great search tool that works well in P5, have not had a chance to test in P6.

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That keyboard doesn't have an F-Lock key by any chance, does it?

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