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What are you running Peppermint on? / Thinkpad t440p
« on: September 05, 2018, 01:42:45 pm »
I've long hankered after a thinkpad...but never really got to a point where cost/benefit works. However I came across this little beauty.  A pretty much mint t440p (which is important, because it's a model with options to upgrade the processor, as well as the screen, and with a number of ssd drives).

Currently this is:
4300-M processor
16GB Ram
512GB MX300 ssd.
fingerprint reader (not seen anything that suggests this is supported in peppermint - in the sense that I've not seen anything integrated into user passwords or the suchlike)

Anyway.  It flies, obviously. I'm using peppermint 9 as my quick-booting cloud connected client, and the machine is penta-booting (windows, kali, debian, fedora, peppermint) using uefi.

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System:    Host: ppmnt-T440p Kernel: 4.15.0-33-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Nine
Machine:   Device: laptop System: LENOVO product: 20AN0076UK v: ThinkPad T440p serial: N/A
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 20AN0076UK v: 0B98401 PRO serial: N/A
           UEFI: LENOVO v: GLET96WW (2.50 ) date: 06/20/2018
Battery    BAT0: charge: 52.6 Wh 100.0% condition: 52.6/56.2 Wh (94%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-4300M (-MT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 1454 MHz 2: 1130 MHz 3: 1112 MHz
           4: 1133 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 )
           drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1600x900@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile version: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.5
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Def. Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.15.0-33-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Ethernet Connection I217-LM driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Wireless 7260 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 525.1GB (1.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Crucial_CT525MX3 size: 525.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 23G used: 6.0G (28%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-0
           ID-2: /boot size: 1.9G used: 158M (10%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda8
           ID-3: /home size: 28G used: 2.6G (10%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-3
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 55.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 232 Uptime: 1:04 Memory: 1653.3/15919.1MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56 [code]

General Discussion / Re: What is your % of Linux?
« on: June 04, 2018, 11:27:17 am »
....You don't handle criticism well and not everyone can be as perfect as you seem to think you are and by no means are either of us an authority...

Unnecessary personally directed comment that I don't understand the need for.

Frame-rates and graphics in Linux when it comes to graphics rendering for X-Plane don't even come close and never will.  :(

If only there was some factor that could be identified as your specific problem, or a specific circumstance that needed to be met in order to satisfy your unique set of criteria?

My graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 X2 so yeah it ain't gonna be that good on Linux and it's just old  from the days of Windows XP.


Lighten up and relax and perhaps have a drink it's only an opinion on a forum and we all know options on forums are only as good as the interpretation.


Excuse me if I don't subscribe to your lifestyle advice.  I shall in future avoid offering an opinion for you to consider, given your preference not to have one extended.

General Discussion / Re: What is your % of Linux?
« on: June 04, 2018, 03:31:42 am »
If I never had  used Flight Simulator X or X-Plane I'm sure Flight Gear would be fine.
Once you've done Flight Simulator X or X-Plane nothing else compares or comes close.
My graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 X2 so yeah it ain't gonna be that good on Linux and it's just old  from the days of Windows XP.

I've used flight sim X, and I'm perfectly happy with flightgear... So my criteria are different to yours, obviously. One of them being I can fly a gyro on flightgear. I value the open system and community over a closed monetized system. Flightgear may not be perfect but people are constantly building on what's there.

My criteria are different. My experience doesn't match yours. Which is fine, you are entitled to your view... But to say that you can't compare, and then to go on to compare from a biased perspective, I find unsatisfactory.

There isn't a perfect flight sim. The flight engine and capability is right there for flightgear... Although perhaps you might have to be selective about which aircraft you use and where you fly if you want a certain type of cosmetic experience. Because it is open and user generated some models are poor... Some are exceptional. My personal experience is that flightgear uses the capability of my setup better than flight sim x (which is essentially a single threaded, ten year old process).

Anyway. I understand if you prefer something different, and you consider it inappropriate for your purposes, but I'd just like to say again. Gyroplane.

« on: June 03, 2018, 11:00:54 am »
Good plan.  With it being proprietary/unsupported, I didn't know it was in the repos. Repos and distro supported is clearly better.

« on: June 03, 2018, 08:35:33 am »
I've never used that printer, or indeed any all-in-one.....but you may be in luck.  I've had a quick look around.

I cannot guarantee the safety or security of that site, or package. I don't know it....but it seems legit to me.

Support for that printer was added in "HPLIP version 3.15.11".

So, you can go here (get the latest version), and download the ubuntu script/program. If you install it as per here then it may very well work. Peppermint 8 is based on ubuntu 16.04 (as is 7, it seems).  Very often everything designed to work on 16.04 will work on this version of peppermint.

I can't promise it, but you can try if you feel comfortable with it.  I would.

General Discussion / Re: What is your % of Linux?
« on: June 03, 2018, 04:36:20 am »
Perhaps it's because by my metrics, peppermintos scores very favourably?

It's a really good example of the power offered by linux.  It's extremely resource efficient, it looks good and has the tools necessary to maintain and utilise a wide range of multi-purpose os roles. It also has a lovely tool for integrating cloud apps. It's also built on a highly documented and meticulously maintained platform. It's perfectly capable of being a docker or virtualisation platform, down to being an excellent choice for a low resource or old equipment....while being modern and quick.

My laptop boots into peppermint in around 15s. What that means is that if I need to carry my laptop somewhere into a cupboard to monitor or program a switch or piece of networking equipment the os can b booted from off in around the time it takes me to connect the cables, and it has a full set of tools and communications ability·

Just a really nice tool for the job. Peppermint is the os I'm putting on windows users machines to lure them from the dark to the light.

General Discussion / Re: What is your % of Linux?
« on: June 03, 2018, 03:44:43 am »
I used to have Microsoft Flight Sim, but I moved over to FlightGear some years ago.

Everything office and web based, I do on Linux...not through some belligerent cultism, but because Linux is better - I can have full control of the environment, and services, networking or the number of users is not licence limited and artificially crippled to differentiate products, and the environment itself is generally more flexible and resource efficient....and it doesn't fall out of support and maintenance with the requirement to have a charged upgrade -  you can maintain and upgrade the environment appropriate to your application over reasonable timescales without licensing costs, putting you in control, not the vendor (run your business for you, not microsoft et al).

In addition it is a skill set that transfers to more devices and applications. Work your way around linux and you can program switches and routers (openwrt/LEDE et al), you can use the same principles and networking through the desktop, into the applications stack, and software as a service (kvm/qemu, lxc/docker), and at the large infrastructure level  (openstack, ovirt, kubernetes, ceph).

I have desktops, cloud applications and storage, and servers, all running exclusively on linux. Unfortunately I have to keep a version of windows around for some commercial tools that are only sold on the windows platform (industrial automation and programming tools like ETS for the KNX protocol, down to some mobile phone unlock tools provided by phone manufacturers).  It's an inconvenience and not of my choosing.

I can understand businesses choosing to purchase tools available to them, where they lack the time or expertise to find or support the alternatives.....but windows is essentially a monetised environment to allow a charging layer based on a platform which you  (as the user) do not control.  That seems to me to be a sub-optimal choice where an alternative exists. Luckily the alternative is more flexible, and cheaper (in terms of resource utilisation versus functionality). I'm a control freak.  It's no surprise which I prefer.

I can't put an authoritative number on it, and it depends on where you stand on android as linux platform - as I do use a number of android devices (like my phone) and I use them regularly for monitoring and testing (one of the advantage of a linux application backend is that they often integrate lovely with a simple browser platform). If we set aside mobile use, it's in excess of 95%.

Artwork, Themes, and Icons / Re: Pepperchrome OS
« on: May 28, 2018, 03:14:37 pm »
Just thinking out loud, and considering Peppermint was out before ChromeOS (and ChromeOS is just Linux anyway) it'd be hard for Google to say we "borrowed" the idea :)

Most of these sort of cases are not resolved in terms of truth and beauty, but rather budget and representation. Which was probably what did for cub.

Personally I rather like peppermint how it is as default. I probably like something like budgie (solus) most.... Although I also quite like gnome (a sure sign you should pay me no heed).

It amuses me and infuriates me in equal measure that people get so seduced by arguments over how a desktop looks. When you can make pretty much anything look how you want it to.

Mainly blank with quick access to the necessary tools, for me. No bling required.

Software & Applications / Re: Access libre office remotely
« on: May 04, 2018, 01:30:49 am »
The thought of editing a critical spreadsheet from a phone or tablet fills me with dread. Generally they should be considered consumption devices, not content production devices. I find that Google docs, for me, is the most successful multi-platform, mobile set of tools (privacy concerns aside). Nextcloud and onlyoffice are capable of giving me the sort of functionality I require to take control of a usable cloud environment. The Android client does not yet support editing though.

Which of course doesn't mean you shouldn't determine your own usage. It depends what you need to do.

Software & Applications / Re: Access libre office remotely
« on: May 03, 2018, 10:57:25 am »
I think there is an Android app. Whether it has editing I don't know. It is possible to remote from a phone... But I wouldn't want to have to use it.

Personally I use Google docs for this use case... But mainly not. Peppermint on the laptop for me.

Software & Applications / Re: Access libre office remotely
« on: May 03, 2018, 08:08:21 am »
You could use use collabora (libreoffice) online, with nextcloud. So that could be hosted on a cloud platform (vps hosting), or a server behind a static ip, or even on a desktop machine behind a dynamic dns (noip type thingy). Just forward the appropriate ports. 

I actually use nextcloud and onlyoffice (and onlyoffice desktop editors) because i find the response better, and it gives better micro$haft office compatibility. I spin up docker containers, and have it on both a contabo vps (excellent value - 4core, 12gb, 300gb ssd, for a tenner a month including tax), and a local server behind my home static ip.

Okay, not strictly (full) libreoffice, but a better mobile solution in my view (cloud storage, plus multi-platform document editing).

If you don't want to spin your own there are cloud Saas options (zoho and the like), as well as the more traditional office365 and google docs (available for standard unpaid accounts).

Probably the way to actually do what you want is to setup an openvpn server and vpn into your home network from out and about, or to use remote access via vnc or the suchlike. Personally I prefer a client-server solution

General Discussion / Re: Microsoft Linux ?
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:55:55 am »
I can see absolutely no potential problems, whatsover, with the micro$haft cloud enabled security platform keeping you safe from your fridge, kettle, and toaster. None.One will be hot, one will be cold, and one will burn things. Just possibly not the right ones, some of the time.

I'm about as likely to let microsoft secure my ipcamera, as i am to invite amazon, google, or facebook, into my house to listen to everything we say, and offer us products on the basis of our conversations.

....and these things will break, and we will be asked to fix them....which will involve re-flashing them with a proper firmware.

General Discussion / Re: Microsoft Linux ?
« on: April 17, 2018, 09:07:29 am »
Presumably idiots will get their linux from Micro$haft, and tell everyone how great it is and better than cheaper more functional alternatives that don't lock you into an infrastructure, with licence support payments stretching off into the distance. Then it will break, regularly, and they will ask us to fix it.

Plus ca change.

General Discussion / Re: Password Manager
« on: April 14, 2018, 01:04:28 pm »
Who or what are you imagining has access to your local clipboard in those circumstances, that doesn't also have access to /dev/tty while you are typing? Why would typing it, be more secure than copy and pasting it? long as there is no storage artefact of the clipboard when you are no longer at the machine.

.,...sorry, didn't see the above post before I replied.

There is also the question of practicality. If you are copy and pasting a long, strong, password from an encrypted password manager, it can be longer and less memorable, and most likely less susceptible to brute force attack.  I actually provisioned a vps from OVH last weekend, and the root password had been brute forced before I had actually seen the activation notice. Caused all manner of problems.

Key piece of advice for any host facing the wider internet - don't use root (establish a username, and use a STRONG password).  Close all ports possible (move ssh from 22, as a lot of script attacks look there), use something like zenmap to check your open ports, and make sure they are only there to provide services that you know about, and are going to address security of.

This STRONG password is not one you can remember, nor do you want to be writing it down.

I am open to any better idea than an encrypted password manager (lookup on the phone to get into the machine locally, or copy and paste to ssh in remotely - where you haven't got puiblic/private keys, or need to sudo).

General Discussion / Re: Password Manager
« on: April 14, 2018, 03:25:51 am »
I was always curious about that‚Ķ  when you copy your passwords to your clipboard, isn't it more susceptible to some "hack"? Or the passwords are always encrypted, even when passing through the clipboard?

I'm not a security expert, but I don't think that the (local device) clipboard is any less secure than the (local device) event fact we surely know that "key loggers" are a thing. At some point you have a local device, and entering a password. Unless you ssh with a public/private key. Which is a good idea...but the local device has your key.  At some level you just have to have local device security...and we don't really.....I don't know a single person who has ever personally vetted every piece of code that runs on their machine.  At some level there is trust, and society relies on building on the shoulders of other peoples achievements. Take away trust and we are back to hunter gathering, and throwing spears at each other. Assuming we know how to make a spear.  The local device is generally the weakest link in the chain. It generally has a password that can be cracked (it tends to be something that people can remember and type in, or there tends to be bits of paper around with it written on - try under the keyboard) .  With local access passwords can be reset. If you have granted access to someone, on various systems, it's best to withdraw their access credentials before that messy meeting where you both part company antagonistically (or indeed know your staff well enough to see disquiet coming - most damage is done by legitimately authenticated users).

So, physical security for local devices...and good practices....and the ability to trash and burn if the machine becomes compromised (or there's a suspicion of it). Generally a secure, encrypted password manager helps, rather than hinders in these situations (put things you need for a setup in the keepassX database, re-install, harden, install password manager, setup machine). One of the reasons that I am an open source advocate is that *someone* *might* have vetted the code. Anyone can.

Okay I'm intrigued .. how do you type in a password with your eyes  ???

And does it hurt (considering they're long) ? .. I gave it a go and I'm now half blind after just the first character ;)

You little minx.  Clearly I have expressed myself badly.

I have eyesight that is good (once corrected) into the distance.  Unfortunately I can't easily focus within the range of my arms.  This, coupled with phone keyboards tendency to garble even correctly typed passwords (I need auto-correct generally, but it doesn't help with passwords), and hidden password characters, means that if a password is *secure enough* I can rarely type it in correctly - and I need it written somewhere, because those babies are not memorable. The deal I've done with the devil is a password manager.  YMMV.

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