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Support => Advanced Topics => Topic started by: RiderExMachina on January 29, 2020, 02:09:17 pm

Title: Unable to install on an x86 tablet due to missing onscreen keyboard [RESOLVED]
Post by: RiderExMachina on January 29, 2020, 02:09:17 pm
I've been testing different distros on an HP Stream 7 tablet and found that Peppermint is simply uninstallable because the LiveUSB does not have the Onboard onscreen keyboard package installed by default. I am unable to connect to a network in order to install it, and it won't install from a .deb I have downloaded locally because of some missing packages. I recommend having the Onboard package installed by default within the live environment in order to help tablet users or people with disabilities.

I would have written up a bug report, but I was unable to find where to do so (the website leads to Launchpad, but it doesn't have an "Add a bug" option).
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: spence on January 31, 2020, 06:19:24 pm
Hello and welcome to the forum RiderExMachina, We have had several users successfully install various versions of peppermint to HP Streams... give me a moment to find a link...

After searching the various post for a bit, i find no reference to the problem you are encountering... perhaps another member more familiar with HP Stream installs will chime in. In the meanwhile, might you give us the inxi -Fz for your machine?

Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: RiderExMachina on February 01, 2020, 10:48:32 am
You probably had a lot of users install Peppermint on HP Stream 11 or Stream 13s, which are effectively laptops. This is a Stream 7, which has no connected keyboard and only one microUSB connection for any form of I/O.

Since I am unable to install any form of onscreen keyboard, I'm unfortunately unable to get you the result of inxi -Fz at this time.
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: murraymint on February 01, 2020, 11:09:55 am
Have you tried a micro-USB keyboard for a tablet?
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: spence on February 01, 2020, 01:15:10 pm
My bad @RiderExMachina, didn't quite realize you were keyboardless... I'll 2nd the suggestion made by @murraymint though.

 :-\

Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: RiderExMachina on February 02, 2020, 01:27:25 am
Have you tried a micro-USB keyboard for a tablet?

The microUSB is currently in use to boot the liveUSB via an OTG cable.

My bad @RiderExMachina, didn't quite realize you were keyboardless...

It's okay, I understand. HP did a bad job at naming the different devices.
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: murraymint on February 02, 2020, 02:05:11 am
Do you know you can use a hub on the OTG adapters? I know it seems like a lot of workaround but Peppermint was never designed to work on tablets and none of us had Intel tablets to test it on. If you manage to get it working it'll be more of a happy accident than a supported type of device.

Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: spence on February 02, 2020, 07:42:50 am
It's okay, I understand. HP did a bad job at naming the different devices.

Looking it up on the web, brings a tear to my eye @RiderExMachina, for it seems to be a renamed tablet first released by palmOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_TouchPad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_TouchPad)... before hp bought Palm and ruined everything for those of us who loved palm devices... As @murraymint indicated, peppermintOS was never designed for nor tested on tablets, Mark, and the rest of the team would be thrilled if you got it running. A very happy accident indeed @murraymint!
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: RiderExMachina on February 02, 2020, 03:18:51 pm
Do you know you can use a hub on the OTG adapters? I know it seems like a lot of workaround but Peppermint was never designed to work on tablets and none of us had Intel tablets to test it on. If you manage to get it working it'll be more of a happy accident than a supported type of device.

As stated in the OP, I just need an image with the Onboard onscreen keyboard installed by default in order for it to be installable.
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: murraymint on February 02, 2020, 05:55:45 pm
But in the absence of such an image how are you going to install Peppermint or your network drivers?
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: RiderExMachina on February 02, 2020, 06:38:07 pm
But in the absence of such an image how are you going to install Peppermint or your network drivers?

The network drivers already work, I just don't have any way to enter the wifi password (aka, an onscreen keyboard). So, since the Peppermint install ISO lacks an on-screen keyboard, I will not install it on this tablet.

This tablet is literally just for testing Linux distros on. I don't need to have the table in a usable state; it's mostly just to hack with and test distros' accessibility. This post was in lieu of a bug report/feature request since I was unable to find where your bug tracker was.
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: spence on February 02, 2020, 09:51:34 pm
Basically, the forum is our bug tracker @RiderExMachina...  FWIW, There has never been any mention of developing for tablets in the last decade... and with the recent death of our lead developer @PCNetSpec, there isn't likely going to be any change nor movement in that direction anytime soon.

Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: RiderExMachina on February 02, 2020, 11:54:51 pm
Basically, the forum is our bug tracker @RiderExMachina...  FWIW, There has never been any mention of developing for tablets in the last decade... and with the recent death of our lead developer @PCNetSpec, there isn't likely going to be any change nor movement in that direction anytime soon.

Understood. I do understand not completely supporting tablets, but at the very least adding an on-screen keyboard will help tremendously on that front; it will even help people with accessibility issues. That was all I wanted from this post, nothing more. Depending on how you guys proceed, I hope you at least think about an on-screen keyboard within Peppermint.
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: Slim.Fatz on February 03, 2020, 01:56:16 am
Hi RiderExMachina,

I will add this to our discussion list of possible additions to future versions of PeppermintOS. Thank you for your time and suggestion.  :)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: spence on February 03, 2020, 07:55:59 am
There is a buried and well hidden bug tracker that I stumbled upon inadvertently in the last round of pre-release testing, which seems to have mostly been deployed as @PCNetSpec's note pad for developmental notes and reminders.
 
This isn't a thread which needs a [SOLVED] as it's more of a suggestion. When you are complete with it, perhaps a [Resolved] will suffice?

 ;)
Title: Re: Unable to install on an HP Stream tablet
Post by: RiderExMachina on February 03, 2020, 02:09:00 pm
Hi RiderExMachina,

I will add this to our discussion list of possible additions to future versions of PeppermintOS. Thank you for your time and suggestion.  :)

Regards,

-- Slim

Thanks, Slim. :)

This isn't a thread which needs a [SOLVED] as it's more of a suggestion. When you are complete with it, perhaps a [Resolved] will suffice?[/color]

 ;)

Done!