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Title: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 12, 2020, 12:43:32 pm
I seem to have an issue with the XFce Power Manager in that it never really allows the battery to be charged beyond 59% and l do not see any way to adjust the settings to allow a full charge...new to the machine.
Thanks
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: zebedeeboss on January 12, 2020, 03:10:10 pm
Hi

Does it fully charge on any other OS's.    ie Xubuntu?

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 12, 2020, 04:09:51 pm
I use the same charger on another laptop and it charged to 100% ok is that what you are asking?
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: zebedeeboss on January 12, 2020, 04:27:57 pm
I use the same charger on another laptop and it charged to 100% ok is that what you are asking?

I wanted to know if this was a battery problem or an OS problem.

On the laptop that does not charge fully - have you used it with another operating system and was it ok.  ie did it charge to 100%

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 12, 2020, 05:31:59 pm
no l had purchased it off a fellow who had win 10 on it and l wiped it to load peppermint he never mentioned an issue with windows 10.
I wonder if there would be an issue removing it if it can not be adjusted. It just seems to be useless as it never indicates when the battery is running low it just shows a 59% charge then shuts off dead till l plug it in again.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: VinDSL on January 12, 2020, 06:06:36 pm
Okay, that's starting to make more sense now, if I'm reading the situation correctly.

AFAIK, the Xfce Power Manager isn't capable of stopping the battery from charging beyond 59%. However, it is capable of shutting down at 59%, or whatever percentage was chosen.

I set mine at 10%

Here are my pics of my Xfce Power Manager settings: https://is.gd/SXWPsg

Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 12, 2020, 06:32:01 pm
Thanks but what are the reasons for this app? Does it indeed charge to 100% but just not indicate the fact? Is this app part of the Peppermint package or was is something that was standard with this laptop (Lenovo Yoga )?

You have me questioning whether the battery is indeed failing...is there any way ,other than monitoring , the battery may be checked for condition? I had a full (59%) charge last nite and reset the control panel to duplicate whte you had indicated and this AM the battery was dead (l had unplugged the laptop)....sounds to me like battery but...
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: Slim.Fatz on January 13, 2020, 02:43:29 pm
Hi windrose,

Yes, it sounds very much like a failing battery ...  :(

Regards,

--Slim
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: clatterfordslim on January 13, 2020, 03:05:16 pm
Thanks but what are the reasons for this app? Does it indeed charge to 100% but just not indicate the fact? Is this app part of the Peppermint package or was is something that was standard with this laptop (Lenovo Yoga )?

You have me questioning whether the battery is indeed failing...is there any way ,other than monitoring , the battery may be checked for condition? I had a full (59%) charge last nite and reset the control panel to duplicate whte you had indicated and this AM the battery was dead (l had unplugged the laptop)....sounds to me like battery but...

Lenovo chargers still using type A ones? My Lenovo Yoga 500 with Pep 10 respin on charges up to 100% and the indicator tells me how long it will take, percentage it's charged to. It's either your battery failing or your charger? Mine charges to 100% and notifies me when it's done. I will be removing mine altogether as I only use it when I'm working and I always use power supply. Sometimes with a over used battery it fails especially overly charging all the time. Best thing to do is take it out and just use the power supply. I would test to see if the charger is working or not, sounds to me though the battery has failed. They are not cheap either.  :(
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: VinDSL on January 13, 2020, 04:12:30 pm
Needless to say, I suppose, but...

The battery should charge to 100% even when a device is shutdown, regardless of the OS(s) installed.





Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: VinDSL on January 13, 2020, 04:29:56 pm
My Lenovo Yoga 500 with Pep 10 respin on charges up to 100% and the indicator tells me how long it will take, percentage it's charged to. [...] Best thing to do is take it out and [...]

That spurred my memory...   :)

A while back, I was reading an article about how winders users could reset their battery indicator circuitry. That is, reset the battery power percentage calculations and so forth, by starting afresh..

They said to remove the battery - press & hold down the power button for 10-15 seconds - then reinsert the battery and power-up.

Don't know if it has any relevance in this discussion, or if it even works, but who knows?! It can't hurt...
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 13, 2020, 07:36:34 pm
My Lenovo Yoga 500 with Pep 10 respin on charges up to 100% and the indicator tells me how long it will take, percentage it's charged to. [...] Best thing to do is take it out and [...]

That spurred my memory...   :)

A while back, I was reading an article about how winders users could reset their battery indicator circuitry. That is, reset the battery power percentage calculations and so forth, by starting afresh..

They said to remove the battery - press & hold down the power button for 10-15 seconds - then reinsert the battery and power-up.

Don't know if it has any relevance in this discussion, or if it even works, but who knows?! It can't hurt...


Winders??   The battery is shot..! Now to find a cheap but good one....any suggestions on the no name Chinese ones?  I know they are all Chinese...
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: zebedeeboss on January 14, 2020, 01:05:48 am
winders = windows
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 14, 2020, 07:52:07 am
Funny thing about the English ??? language  you meant wind as in windows and l read wind as in rewind... ::)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 15, 2020, 01:22:13 pm
Tried the Winders trick....flop....ordering a new Battery.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 19, 2020, 03:56:05 pm
Ok, l have received the new battery and had it on charge all last night but to my chagrin find the Xfce PowerManager is still showing the battery icon on 2 of the  3 green bars and stating it is charging but constantly shows at 59% charge. I want this to indicate 100% when it is at full charge. After reading the HELP documentation is still leaves me confused. Question..how can l get the "Battery Icon" to illustrate 3 green bars and show a 100% charge? Which l can relate to.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: clatterfordslim on January 20, 2020, 08:49:04 am
Ok, l have received the new battery and had it on charge all last night but to my chagrin find the Xfce PowerManager is still showing the battery icon on 2 of the  3 green bars and stating it is charging but constantly shows at 59% charge. I want this to indicate 100% when it is at full charge. After reading the HELP documentation is still leaves me confused. Question..how can l get the "Battery Icon" to illustrate 3 green bars and show a 100% charge? Which l can relate to.

This has confused the hell out of me. have you tried a reinstall of Peppermint? I don't know why you're getting just 59% and I know it sounds daft but you're not getting mixed up with the WIFI indicator? I'm sorry for asking and not trying to make you sound as if you don't know what your doing, but I'm dumb founded as to why it's only reading 59%? As you have a brand new battery installed the indicator should be telling you when you hover the mouse over it, how long till full charge. Something just ain't right here?  :-\
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 09:41:58 am
Hopefully l have added these screenshots so you may see what settings l have indicated. New Battery installed and charged.
The screenshots are not attached..l am trying to figure out how to do that too! I clicked on add image and also tried Spoiler..bear with me...
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 10:42:01 am
(https://i.imgur.com/YoPZjgW.png)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 10:46:07 am
(https://i.imgur.com/AOUe05C.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PuN6dhP.png) (https://i.imgur.com/u5cRqgc.png) (https://i.imgur.com/LHz9wOf.png)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 10:54:12 am
(https://i.imgur.com/BCC8uuD.png)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 10:56:40 am
OK l believe l have educated myself on how to post images, now l think l have to figure out how to post them without using the whole page... :o :o
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 11:09:55 am
Here is a shot with charger disconnected and l believe it is indicating a 100% charge if l a reading it correctly.
(https://i.imgur.com/5qaKgmC.png)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: spence on January 20, 2020, 01:10:04 pm
OK l believe l have educated myself on how to post images, now l think l have to figure out how to post them without using the whole page... :o :o

Hello @windrose ... looks like you figured out how to utilize the built in screenshot utility. In order to not post the whole page , choose "Select A Region" rather than "Entire Screen" or "Active Window." you may want to give yourself  2 or 3 second delay before capturing as well
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 01:56:34 pm
Thanks Spence..l was trying to figure out how to incorporate the Spoiler function but was not certain how l was to insert the hyperlink. Should the Spoiler be activated and then insert the link between the slashes?
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: spence on January 20, 2020, 02:17:38 pm
Thanks Spence..l was trying to figure out how to incorporate the Spoiler function but was not certain how l was to insert the hyperlink. Should the Spoiler be activated and then insert the link between the slashes?

The spoiler function is only for extremely long sections of code... not photos nor hyperlinks  @windrose  
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 02:53:53 pm
Gotcha! Good to remember!
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: spence on January 20, 2020, 03:31:50 pm
Gotcha! Good to remember!

Basically, the Spoiler is a courtesy to other forum members... if the code you are posting is more than a few lines,  use that so other forum readers who aren't searching for similar issues may quickly scroll on by...

Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: spence on January 20, 2020, 03:48:07 pm
I seem to have an issue with the XFce Power Manager in that it never really allows the battery to be charged beyond 59% and l do not see any way to adjust the settings to allow a full charge...new to the machine.

Hello @windrose... I got many hits on a search for lenovo batteries not charging fully... https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/troubleshoot/LPT000249 (https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/troubleshoot/LPT000249) The XFCE power manager isn't a powering utility in itself, but merely displays the laptop's batteries status. You may want to check your particular model against the support on the lenovo site.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: clatterfordslim on January 20, 2020, 06:39:49 pm
I seem to have an issue with the XFce Power Manager in that it never really allows the battery to be charged beyond 59% and l do not see any way to adjust the settings to allow a full charge...new to the machine.

Hello @windrose... I got many hits on a search for lenovo batteries not charging fully... https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/troubleshoot/LPT000249 (https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/troubleshoot/LPT000249) The XFCE power manager isn't a powering utility in itself, but merely displays the laptop's batteries status. You may want to check your particular model against the support on the lenovo site.

I have or I should say touch wood and whistle no problems with my Lenovo Yoga 500.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 20, 2020, 07:53:45 pm
Thank you for that lead Spence...as indicated in the attached screenshot this does indeed describe the issue "limit charging from between 55 and 60%" but there is only information (that l can see) for systems loaded with Windows 8.1 which is what this one had prior to my loading Peppermint the power management system they refer to is no longer onboard l am thinking but on one of Lenovos pages they do have an executable file that may effect the needed repair but l am reluctant to execute

(https://i.imgur.com/KBujYvq.png)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: Slim.Fatz on January 21, 2020, 03:06:53 am
Hi windrose,

If the file is listed as an exe file then it can only be run by M$ Windows (meaning: such files are specific for a Windows OS environment) -- you cannot run such exe files in linux.  ;)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: VinDSL on January 21, 2020, 08:56:13 am
Interesting...

I would imagine those settings are changed/saved in BIOS.

Perhaps the trick would be to boot into winders, install/run the executable, config these settings, then cross your fingers.

I might mention, this is similar to why I dual-boot Peppermint with winders - downloading/installing BIOS updates, for instance.

If these battery settings are not saved to BIOS, and dependent on the settings in the winders app, then you're probably stuck with the default 50-60% envelope, when charged on non-winders OSs.

Just a guess...   :)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 21, 2020, 09:06:13 am
This is the pop up l received on the Zip file to download.
(https://i.imgur.com/I38cySZ.png)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: VinDSL on January 21, 2020, 09:10:22 am
BTW, now that I think about the 50-60% charged figure...

That's the same envelope used on cell phones with fast-charge capabilities.

To protect the Li-ion batteries in phones with fast-charge capes, they cut the charging rate back from fast => slow at 60%, e.g. fast charging from 0-60% then slow charging from 60-100%.

But, I digress...  :)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: VinDSL on January 21, 2020, 09:15:29 am
This is the pop up l received on the Zip file to download.

Well, that filename is encouraging - 'firmware' suggests it is BIOS related, as discussed above  ;)

I'd dual-boot it, install the upgrade, and see what happens...
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 21, 2020, 11:15:34 am
Interesting.

I might mention, this is similar to why I dual-boot Peppermint with winders - downloading/installing BIOS updates, for instance.

If these battery settings are not saved to BIOS, and dependent on the settings in the winders app, then you're probably stuck with the default 50-60% envelope, when charged on non-winders OSs.

Just a guess...   :)
Help me understand this please , The BIOS settings are established with a Windose OS and an only be changed with a windose OS? Assuming the changes necessary are within the BIOS there is no way for Peppermint to effect the change?
I had wiped the computer when l installed PM and do not have a Windose OS on a disc.
It is not that the computer can not run in its present condition but l just am not certain how much battery l have. I do generally have it on AC most of the time but would like the option of working without AC.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: spence on January 21, 2020, 12:12:56 pm
Hello @windrose... I'm happy that @vinDSL chimed in and confirmed what I was beginning to suspect. Do you know how to access the bios on this laptop? If so reboot and follow the instructions (usually involving tapping tab or del, or one of your F keys) that quickly flash across your screen... then scour the bios for anything related to battery or power settings. If you do not know, you'll need to scour the Lenovo site for specific instructions for your make and model.

I would seriously consider returning this, along with your battery if there is still a window of opportunity to do so.

While the bios is theoretically "operating system agnostic," Lenovo is deeply entrenched & beholden to the windows os system. Thus the need to get windows working again to deploy the drivers you found. Is there a license sticker on the bottom of your machine? if so, that's all you need to reinstall...

If not, then well... let us know how you decide to proceed


(My Mother has a Lenovo that drives me bonkers support wise and I wanted to return, but she wouldn't agree. )

Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: glitchdot on January 21, 2020, 02:13:24 pm
I had similar problem, my battery wasn't charging more than 91% at the beginning. It is not related with xfce power manager or linux, since they can't limit battery charge level.

You can try to discharge the battery to 0%, by turning off all power manager actions on low battery, till your laptop turn off by itself. Let the battery cool down for few hours, and then charge for 12 hours. This may fix the battery temporary. To fix it permanently, replace it  :)

In my case, problem was battery... I haven't replaced it yet, but now it charges till 60%, in very very rare occasion it charges 100%, but nevertheless battery life is reduced. It was some cheap battery I bought from ebay.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 21, 2020, 08:02:14 pm
glitchbot..it is a new battery and we are leaning towards it being and Lenovo Issue.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 21, 2020, 09:02:51 pm
glitchbot..it is a new battery and we are leaning towards it being and Lenovo Issue.

I've also found the Xfce4 Power Manager to be a goofy beast  :-\.  I've not yet owned a computer where it works well.  I usually uninstall and purge it from my systems.  I replace it with the Mate Power Manager.  i make the appropriate changes in, LXsessions ⇨ Core applications ⇨ xfce4-power-manager by changing it to, mate-power-manager.  It's not as feature rich; however, in my experience, it's more reliable.  For some reason, in Peppermint 10 Respin, it doesn't display in the panel.  It has to be accessed from the menu.
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 23, 2020, 01:57:11 pm
Hello @windrose... I'm happy that @vinDSL chimed in and confirmed what I was beginning to suspect. Do you know how to access the bios on this laptop? If so reboot and follow the instructions (usually involving tapping tab or del, or one of your F keys) that quickly flash across your screen... then scour the bios for anything related to battery or power settings. If you do not know, you'll need to scour the Lenovo site for specific instructions for your make and model.

I would seriously consider returning this, along with your battery if there is still a window of opportunity to do so.

While the bios is theoretically "operating system agnostic," Lenovo is deeply entrenched & beholden to the windows os system. Thus the need to get windows working again to deploy the drivers you found. Is there a license sticker on the bottom of your machine? if so, that's all you need to reinstall...

If not, then well... let us know how you decide to proceed


(My Mother has a Lenovo that drives me bonkers support wise and I wanted to return, but she wouldn't agree. )


Spence, l have searched the bios and can find nothing that remotely looks like it may allow power options to be altered.
The computer was purchased used in fine condition with windows 8 loaded which l had wiped to install PM10.
I am wondering if l load up the PM respin would there be an opportunity to correct this or is the power manager something that is integral to the computer itself and not the OS? Just clutching straws here..as l said previously l can live with it in this state but it bugs me that i can not revert to another power handling option.
ANDYINMOKUM had a suggestion but not knowing how to proceed at this time l am reluctant . Appreciate the help but l am not desperate for it .
Dave
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: clatterfordslim on January 23, 2020, 07:19:13 pm
Maybe try running the battery out altogether of charge. I usually let mine run down to 10% then stick the charger back in.
I find nothing wrong with the XFCE power manager and every time I have upgraded this computer it's been fine.
Is your battery a clip in one that sits on the back, or is it actually inside the computer itself?? I will get round to taking this battery out altogether on this Lenovo as I prefer to be plugged in.

(https://imgur.com/kN6DwrXl.png)
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: windrose on January 23, 2020, 07:59:43 pm
The Battery is internal and l just replaced it the other day for a new one expecting that it was an old battery causing the issue.
At Spences suggestion l had looked further into it being a Lenovo specific issue and it may just be that as the Lenovo sites issues with the same symptoms but it may be specific to the BIOS?? and may require reverting back to Windose (Never) to effect the repair unless this collection of minds can come up with a resolve.
Dave

Update...let battery run right down till screen went off then let it sit overnight befor plugging in to recharge..no change to status indicator still indicates 59% charge
Title: Re: XFce Power Manager
Post by: alynur on January 25, 2020, 12:06:51 am
I don't know about Lenovo's but my Samsung laptop has a setting in bios to limit the full charge level, supposedly extends the life of the battery.