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Title: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 28, 2014, 01:01:10 am
I'm saving for a brand new desktop with more ram, and more storage i will prob be able to get in by mid to late oct.  I can't wait to get it and replace awful ugly windows 8 with peppermint 5 and set it up
exactly as i have my laptop set up right now. My question is as a new linux user how do you guys go about updating to the next os? when the next version of peppermint
comes out would i need to do a brand new install from a brand new disk or is this a way to just update it ? i suppose since peppermint 5 has 5 years of support its not really
a big deal just more of a question, being once i get this desktop im hoping to stick with peppermint and this desktop for a long time, peppermint runs so fast on this old laptop
but i can't wait to see how fast its going to run on a new one!!!!!!

Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 28, 2014, 02:00:33 am
HI iamesperambient, the new computer sounds good.  What are you hoping to get?  Isn't it nice to use a modern operating system that flies  ;D‽ The new versions of Peppermint are timed around Ubuntu's April  release cycle.  The Peppermint developers then do their thing and release the new version around June of each year.  There is no upgrade path.  A fresh install is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED  for each new version of Peppermint.  Any other way is only suggested for experienced users to undertake.  With all the extra hassle, it ends up just as quick to do a regular installation. You just have to backup all your critical data in your home folder.  It is then copied back to the home folder of your new installation. 

When you get your new rig. I recommend you pre-make your partitions and do a custom install.  It makes any maintenance much easier.  Anyway, after five years, you'll be a Linux Guru  8).  You'll be doing this with one arm tied behind your back and your eyes closed  ;).
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 28, 2014, 02:07:02 am
hey thanks for the info im looking at a small dell desktop that comes with windows 8.1 (for whatever reason this one is cheaper than the windows 7 one).
The whole package with the new monitor will cost me under 500 which is awesome. So if i move all my files to my 'home folder' when i reinstall the files
will still be there? this is including music/movies etc?? ALso i was wondering this new comp has 4 gigs of ram and will be installed with windows 8.1 64 bit
im running on 32 peppermint 5, would it still be ok if i went ahead and installed the 32 bit os on this new comp or would 64 be more recommended?
from what i read it seems most people suggest the 32 bit but i want to make sure. first thing i will be doing is installing peppermint, i dont even want to
look at windows 8.1 its disgusting interface that 'metro' oversized smart phone look is horrible! i thought windows 7 was bad looking haa.

well hopefully in 5 years i will be doing well with linux in the past month and a half i've caught on pretty well i think but i will have a lot to learn
im still a newbee.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 28, 2014, 04:00:36 am
So if i move all my files to my 'home folder' when i reinstall the files
will still be there? this is including music/movies etc??
That sounds excellent  8)!!  No, you don't copy your whole home folder.  If you do, the possibility of conflicting configuration files is really high.  The result is a broken system that's a pain to fix or, a system that exhibits "unexpected behaviour".  In other words, acting goofy  >:(.  You only copy Documents, Music, Photos, Videos, Fonts, Themes etc.  If you know that the new programmes are using the same config as their previous versions.  You can carefully copy, (backup) the corresponding .config file(s). 

Your new computer is 99.99999% sure to have a 64 bit processor with a pae flag.  The 32 bit ISO is PAE so, you can use more than 4GiG of memory with it if you want.  I would still install the 64 bit version. It is a little bit quicker and a little bit heaver on memory usage.  I'm using 4GiB of RAM on my 64bit machine and it is more than enough.  Good luck  ;)!!
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 28, 2014, 08:35:07 am
Go with 64bit Peppermint.

As andy suggests, setting up a separate /home partition *may* make a future "upgrade" to Peppermint 6/7 possible, but there are no guarantees .. Peppermint always advised a "fresh" install as there are a lot of hidden config files in your home folder that *might* conflict with a new version.

We'd only suggest keeping your entire home folder contents if you know how to dig yourself out of any configuration issues you may have.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 28, 2014, 01:16:13 pm
ok thanks for the info :D
i will be sure to ask some set up advice once i get the computer.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 28, 2014, 03:41:11 pm
might be worth mentioning the model number BEFORE buying, and see if anyone knows of any known issues.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 28, 2014, 08:32:38 pm
true this is the dell im considering
http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-3646-small-desktop/pd?oc=fdcwnt7101&model_id=inspiron-3646-small-desktop

and if there is issues i'm also considering a similar HP model.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 28, 2014, 09:59:00 pm
im also considering something refurbished like this too
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dell-Pre-Owned-Refurbished-Silver-745-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Core-2-Duo-Processor-4GB-Memory-750-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-7-Professional-Monitor-Not/21907344
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 29, 2014, 07:16:27 am
The Dell Inspiron 3646 you mention can actually be bought with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed, so will "definitely" work with Peppermint 3, which makes it just short of certain it'll run Ubuntu 14.04 and therefore Peppermint 5 :)

http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201403-14890/

As for the Optiplex 745 .. I can see no reason why it sshouldn't be OK .. there was some questions asked about a model with built in Radeon X1300 graphics, but that one's advertised with an Intel GMA3000 graphics driver so should be OK.
(this is purely based on an internet search .. so no 'guarantee' of compatibility)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 29, 2014, 09:14:39 am
where can you buy it with ubuntu already on it?? from the dell site it looks like all their computers only come with
windows 7 or 8 i didn't see any linux options?
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: MNFrozenfish on August 29, 2014, 02:48:38 pm
You may want to consider this source as well:
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-745-Optiplex-Computer-Professional/dp/B00ABMTV98/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409337885&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+745+optiplex+desktop+computer
I ran Peppermint 3 and 4 on a very similar, if not identical, 745 without any issues.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 29, 2014, 03:45:50 pm
where can you buy it with ubuntu already on it?? from the dell site it looks like all their computers only come with
windows 7 or 8 i didn't see any linux options?

Other than for the XPS, it doesn't look like you can any more
http://dell.com/ubuntu

It's a strange world we live in, where Linux PC's cost more than Windows ones  :o
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: rjm65 on August 29, 2014, 04:37:02 pm
I bought my dell optiplex 745 on ebay 6 years ago, best machine I ever bought it runs Windows 7 64 bit perfectly.... 
However I bought a video card for mine after the fact, I also maxed out my ram to the full 8 gigs... ...  Mine cost me like only 150 bucks, so I wouldn't buy from dell if they charging you 500.... 
Be advised your link to walmart one is only a 1.80ghz processor... the one i got on ebay for 150 bucks is a 3.4ghz processor, almost double the speed....  check ebay for off lease or refurb optiplex 745's.... 

Found a 745 refurbed for half the price of the one at walmart and it has the 3.4ghz processor not the 1.8ghz....
here is a link in case you are looking....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-745-Desktop-Intel-Pentium-D-3-4GHz-4GB-160GB-Windows-XP-/321504920060?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item4adb2fc1fc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-745-Desktop-Intel-Pentium-D-3-4GHz-4GB-160GB-Windows-XP-/321504920060?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item4adb2fc1fc)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 29, 2014, 09:16:11 pm
jeez that is crazy that linux would cost more!!! actually now you guys are having me reconsider.
ok this is basically what i want a small desktop with at least 500 gigs, im thinking more ram (because i do
music recording basically i record ambient guitar music although when i record i only run my simple
set up of rakarak and audacity which prob does not use a lot of ram anyway) i really want something under
300 dollars just due to my budget. If anyone can recommend something smoething refurbished would be fine
i just want something a little newer being mine i believe is from 2007-2008 id like something with in the last
year or 2. and course the goal in mind is to run only peppermint 5 os as my operating system. so any advice
would be great
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 29, 2014, 09:57:37 pm
You may want to consider this source as well:
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-745-Optiplex-Computer-Professional/dp/B00ABMTV98/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409337885&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+745+optiplex+desktop+computer
I ran Peppermint 3 and 4 on a very similar, if not identical, 745 without any issues.

hi this looks good and great price, so you think peppermint 5 will run on this???
also just wanna make sure once i buy the computer which version i should run
i would assume 64 bit?
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 30, 2014, 08:06:04 am
AFAIK, the ATI Radeon X300 is no longer supported by the proprietary ATI fglrx driver, but is by the open source "radeon" driver.

So how well 3D acceleration works is anyones guess.

According to Ubuntu 3D is "fully supported" in the open source driver for the X300:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
but as that page says, it may not be up to what you'd expect from the proprietary driver.

I've seen cases where the open source radeon drivers have caused heavy CPU load, and others where they've not put any strain on the CPU and actually have performed better than the proprietary driver .. so as you can see there's no guarantee here.

But as long as it has a PCIe slot, you can always add another card (?) ;)

According to this:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/opti_745techspecs.pdf
they have a PCIe x16 slot .. but if I were you I'd check with the seller that it's possible to add an aftermarket "PCI express" graphics card.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: rjm65 on August 30, 2014, 08:22:33 am
Yes it is possible and they do make a video card specifically for the 745 dell because of its height...  I bought 745's on ebay with the card and without the card and they were all cheaper then the one you are looking at at walmart...  so much cheaper you can afford to put any size hard drive or ram in them and still not reach 200 bucks... I seen 745's off lease selling for 29 bucks on ebay and 17 shipping...  Only reason i steered you toward the 100 dollar one was because it had a bigger hard drive and the 3.4 ghz processor...  but keep your eye on ebay they have deals going there daily on these machines...
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 30, 2014, 08:40:27 am
The problem with the CPu is that it may have a higher clock speed, but it ISN'T a faster processor.

it's a Pentium D 945 (3.4Ghz) as opposed to a Core2Duo E4300 (1.8Ghz) .. the E4300 outperforms the older D945 in every way (in all the benchmarks I've seen by roughly 20%), granted not a huge amount, but it's also going to be considerably cheaper to run, and newer tech.
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/512/Intel_Core_2_Duo_E4300_vs_Intel_Pentium_D_945.html

have a look for the D950 (roughly the same performance as the D945), and the E4300 in this list::
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+D+950+%40+3.40GHz&id=1129
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: rjm65 on August 30, 2014, 09:06:34 am
Personally I wouldn't even be looking for a dual core anymore these days...  I know they are cheap but so are the I3 and I5 dells on ebay...  for about 250 bucks or 50 bucks more then the dual core he posted at walmart he can have an 5 core.....  why go 2 core when you can have 5 core for 50 bucks more...  he should shop around is all I am saying....   ;)

EDIT:
And if the core 2 duo is better at 1.8 ghz I still would not pay walmart 200 bucks for it, when ebay sells it for 29 bucks and 17 bucks shipping....
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 30, 2014, 09:20:55 am
If I were planning on running Win8 I'd agree with ya but a dual core will run Peppermint admirably :) (I have PM5 64bit on a dual core P4 and it's screamingly fast, compared to Win7/8 on the latest hardwware .. in fact it's screamingly fast period)  .. but out of the 2, and with only a $30 (what roughly 15 - 20) difference, I'd go for the E4300 with the Intel GMA3000 graphics.

More cores are irrelevant for most usage cases .. unless the app is specifically designed to use them, or you multi-task a lot.

But sure, an i3/i5 would be even better.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 02:05:58 pm
ill take around it seems the dell i originally wanted would be ok right???
if thats the case may be i will just go that route a little more ram and more storage
and a on button on the outside (being its a desktop not a laptop) are the main features
i wanted and im not even sure if ram really matters being i dont run so high powered programs.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 05:08:37 pm
im really liking this package with monitor for under 400
http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-3646-small-desktop/pd?oc=fdcwnt7101m&model_id=inspiron-3646-small-desktop

if anyone can do some research and confirm all is well with this and peppermint 5 i think im going to get this around october.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: rjm65 on August 30, 2014, 06:11:40 pm
that is a celeron you know....  not a full pentium....
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 06:16:59 pm
basically im just looking for something to record some music, watch hulu /netflix
and surf the net and listen to music. I don't need anything super powerful really.
do you think this would be good for that?
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 30, 2014, 06:59:48 pm
All I can do is point you at this again:
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201403-14891/
which suggests 12.04 installes perfectly well on that system with the J1800 Celeron.

So there's a VERY good chance 14.04 will install/work on it too (but no cast iron guarantees).

As for "how well", well that's subjective so you're asking people to say "yeah it'll be fine" when they have no idea what YOU would call fine .. opening themselves up to being slated if you're disappointed.

People will give you as much assistance and info as they can .. but they're unlikely to make the decision for you ;)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 07:25:51 pm
thanks any other suggestions for a desktop? basically i want something with slightly more higher performance (not too much more)
and bigger storage. Im not doing anything crazy honestly school work, surfing, recording music (mostly running audacity, and using rakarak
for sound effects) listening to music, or watching  hulu/netflix/(this is where i want better performance honestly). and imy budget is about 300
but i can go up to 400 if i have to but would rather less, and i'm set on peppermint 5 being my os thats one thing i'm certain on.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 07:31:28 pm
im over all happy with how my dell latitude d630 laptop works with pepprmint 5 and this thing
is from 2007-2008 so i would assume something newer would even run smoother/faster?
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: rjm65 on August 30, 2014, 07:39:32 pm
how about this one its a core 2 duo which mark has said are faster then the pentium D its a 3.16ghz 4 gig ram and a 250 gig hard drive...
and the price is right too...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-960-Core-2-Duo-3-16-Ghz-DCNE-Computer-w-250GB-HD-DVDRW-Working-WOW-/390920187348?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item5b04a8add4 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-960-Core-2-Duo-3-16-Ghz-DCNE-Computer-w-250GB-HD-DVDRW-Working-WOW-/390920187348?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item5b04a8add4)

Or this one which is refurbed and comes with win 7 cost is a tad higher though...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-960-SFF-Core-2-Duo-E8400-3-0GHz-4GB-160GB-Windows-7-A1751-/380963044733?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item58b32abd7d (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-960-SFF-Core-2-Duo-E8400-3-0GHz-4GB-160GB-Windows-7-A1751-/380963044733?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item58b32abd7d)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 08:22:41 pm
not bad would some mind giving me a list of a few models for reference
than when i have the money i can see where their available (as ebay may expire or sell by the time i do).
thanks again!!! the first one is more along the lines of what im looking for i think.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: perknh on August 30, 2014, 08:34:23 pm
iamesperambient, I apologize if I'm out of place here, and disregard this post if unhelpful.  I'm not deeply involved in this tread, and I use a Toshiba C-70 laptop instead of a Dell desktop.  But both PCNetSpec and rjm65 have helped me a lot.  And I have to say this about Ubuntu's Unity 12.04.  If this is what PCNetSpec is referring to, I have to say it has a lot less adware than 14.04.  But I say this with a caveat. 12.04 is good through and including 12.04.4.  But beware of Ubuntu's Unity 12.04.5.

Ubuntu is pushing 12.04.5 pretty hard right now, and Ubuntu touts an improved kernel with the 12.04.5 upgrade, but there's a catch:  Once you have 12.04.5, it will start pushing you to make a dist-upgrade to Unity's adware-laden 14.04.  I say user beware with Unity's 12.04.5 as well as for Unity's 14.04.  Unity is a great idea that has become pathetic experience with 14.04.  And It's a shame, because it's working with such a great idea.  Hopefully, when the day comes, 16.04 will have listened to its user base that has become disgusted with Unity's 14.04 adware-ladden DE.  All Unity has done with 14.04 LTS has unify the Ubuntu community against Unity 14.04 LTS -- nothing more.

Lubuntu 14.04 is much lighter and cleaner than Unity 14.04.

What I have just shared here has been an observation of mine, and I hope not too much of a distraction from your needs and concerns.  But, if you will have the hardware for it, Ubuntu's Unity 12.04.4 still rocks.  Just be careful if you decide to dist-upgrade to 12.04.5.  The powers to be at Unity 14.04 are jonesing for more users, and dist-upgrading to 12.04.5 may be more of a parlor trick than anything else.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 30, 2014, 09:44:49 pm
not bad would some mind giving me a list of a few models for reference
than when i have the money i can see where their available (as ebay may expire or sell by the time i do).
thanks again!!! the first one is more along the lines of what im looking for i think.

Not me .. if you ask when you're ready, and post links to what you're thinking about buying, I'll try to diiscoverany known issues with the hardware.

Show me two, and I'll tell you which is technically superior...

But don't ask me to suggest a purchase .. I'm not getting the blame or feeling guilty if/when you decide you don't like it, or something doesn't work .. I'm afraid the purchasing decision is yours ;)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 10:05:19 pm
i honestly  really want the original dell i posted it seems ok with peppermint correct? so maybe i will just go with the original plan.
its such a good price for a brand new desktop with monitor. and i like the small size as well.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 10:13:24 pm

any info on this hp?
HP 110z Desktop PC
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 10:16:21 pm
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/DT.SVPAA.001

or this???

i still would prefer the dell honestly but im worried it will not work properly
with peppermint 5 :/
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 30, 2014, 10:29:32 pm
actually im really liking this
http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-20-3043-aio/pd?ref=PD_Family
i din't realize it was an actual desktop like imac with everything connected
i thought it was a laptop. if this will work....i think this is the best one for my needs.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 31, 2014, 05:49:06 am
Dell PC's are *usually* pretty good for Ubuntu compatibility as they offer Ubuntu as an option in some countries.

See here:
http://liliputing.com/2014/06/dell-inspiron-20-one-desktop-essentially-big-windows-tablet.html
and here:
http://www.tumblr.com/search/Dell+Inspiron+20+3000+Series+AiO
which both suggest Dell are/were planning on an Ubuntu option for some markets.

Again, there are no guarantees here .. so ring Dell and ask them if it'll run Ubuntu 14.04, being one of the few manufacturers that actually sell systems with Ubuntu I'd assume they'd be able to answer that.
(also ask them if it'll recognise a USB keyboard if attached, and if the UEFI/BIOS will be accessible from it .. the only thing I can see in the spec that's got me wondering is the bluetooth keyboard and whether that needs drivers loading before it becomes active, which may make *installing* difficult .. if you get my drift)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: perknh on August 31, 2014, 08:26:41 am
Ubuntu Desktop certified hardware Dell

http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/make/Dell/?query=&category=Desktop&category=Laptop&release=&level=Any (http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/make/Dell/?query=&category=Desktop&category=Laptop&release=&level=Any)


Ubuntu Desktop certified hardware

http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/ (http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 31, 2014, 09:26:30 am
Dell OptiPlex 3011 looks like something like this is my best option.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 31, 2014, 09:34:43 am
not many options that are certified for the newest ubuntu
i actually looked that those other dells ya it does seem like a big tablet
so i suppose this is my best option with in my price range
HP Pavilion Slimline 400-034 Desktop PC
does anyone know in general is this are decent (long lasting any issues
not with running ubuntu but in general?).
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: perknh on August 31, 2014, 01:47:56 pm
Hello iamesperambient,

I know that in the past, Linux, in general, has had compatibility issues with hardware that was made exclusively for Windows -- like with printers, or USB keyboards, for instance.

And I can see what is meant by possible lack of support for 14.04.  What a difference between the numbers of the 12.04 LTS release and the 14.04 LTS release.  There is either a very slow process of obtaining certification, or there is not much enthusiasm for the 14.04 LTS release amongst manufacturers -- maybe because of users complaints. 

Each new release of Ubuntu brings exciting new hardware to Ubuntu users. Take a look at Certified hardware by release.*

Release    Desktops    Laptops
14.04 LTS    11                 5
12.04 LTS    212               497

*Source:  http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/ (http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/)

This is why PCNetSpec's idea of calling Dell is such good idea.  I don't know how frequently Ubuntu updates hardware lists that are compatible with 14.04, but I figure they are always a little behind hardware development.  The Linux/Ubuntu department at Dell should be happy to answer Ubuntu related questions for you -- I hope!  (There's always a Linux geek in every crowd -- or at least there should be!)  I suspect that if 12.04 will work on the computer of your choice, 14.04 will work too, but I'd certainly ask.  After all there are some differences in the software.

It's tough and stressful buying a new computer, and then wondering if Linux, and particularly Ubuntu 14.04, will run well on it.  Will there be good sound?   Will it overheat?   Will my printers, or my scanners, continue to function properly?

Chances are you won't have a heat problem with a desktop computer.  But I'm following what you're writing now, because the next computer that I buy for myself will be one that is compatible with Ubuntu.  (I figure if it's compatible with Ubuntu it will be compatible with Peppermint too.)

I haven't looked at your HP link yet, but if I were you, I'd give both companies a call, and, if need be, ask to be transferred to somebody who knows some of the answers to your concerns.  Write your concerns down on paper so you won't go blank with talking to the sales reps.  You can always ask to speak with a supervisor, or their technical department, if you feel you're not making any progress.  Sometimes later at night gets you more Asian support, and sometimes that is helpful.  Just keep focused on Ubuntu 14.04 -- because that's where we're at now.  We're under the Trusty Tahr umbrella with Peppermint 5 too.  Just watch how many times you see the word Trusty when we update in Peppermint 5!

Many of us, I"m sure, are curious how this is going to play out for you.  Sooner or later, I'll have to do the same things -- meaning the homework -- that you are doing now.  We all will -- sooner or later!

Please keep us posted.  iamesperambient, you're plugging along in the right direction!  ;)

perknh

P.S.

Here's an interesting site where they say you can build your own Linux Desktop computer.  Notice that 14.04 LTS is not included in the lineup.  But at least this gives us some clues as to what to look for within a computer that will have Linux installed.  I wonder if you could buy a custom-built computer from Dell or HP that has no OS installed.  Look at what Eight Virtues is asking you to select, and then you ask Dell if they can give you a computer with these components.  I know this is complicated but it may us all some clues as to what to look for in a Linux computer.

http://www.eightvirtues.com/about.html (http://www.eightvirtues.com/about.html)

Source: http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/09/7-providers-of-pre-installed-linux.html (http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/09/7-providers-of-pre-installed-linux.html)

Note that one commenter had harsh words for LinPC.  This fellow doesn't sound like a happy camper.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 31, 2014, 08:44:44 pm
so when i call dell what should i ask them just if this model will run the newest version of ubuntu and if it will have any issues?
i will call them tomorrow once i know exactly what to ask thats a lot for the tips  :D
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 31, 2014, 08:50:19 pm
can anyone recommend an older model desktop that usually sells for 150-300 in the usa
that would work/run peppermint five? i was thinking maybe i should just get a newer laptop
with bigger storage that runs the new ubuntu and buy a docking station for it and just
hook it up to my monitor with a usb mouse and keyboard like i have now its not the worst
set up. Actually can anyone tell me if its possible to replace the caddy i nmy dell latitude d630
with a hard drive instead of disk drive one i can interchange and almost use it as external storage
i watched a video 'living in linux' where a guy used my exactly laptop with linux and said you could
but no idea how and what kind of drive i would need. Maybe for now i could do this for more storage too?
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on August 31, 2014, 09:31:03 pm
this is on the list of ubuntu certified
for 14.04 LTS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-slimline-desktop-4gb-memory-500gb-hard-drive/5815013.p?id=1219194065871&skuId=5815013&st=hp%20desktop%20slimline&cp=1&lp=1
can check this one out for me its in my price range and i think it would fit the bill it everything worked ok, and i was able to hook it up to my current
envison monitor (would also save me money not having to get a new one) please let me know if this has any known issues. thanks all!
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: rjm65 on September 01, 2014, 08:33:09 am
its on ebay cheaper....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pavilion-Slimline-s3500f-AMD-Athlon-64X2-4GB-RAM-Wifi-500GB-Desktop-PC-/131279510514?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item1e90de5bf2 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pavilion-Slimline-s3500f-AMD-Athlon-64X2-4GB-RAM-Wifi-500GB-Desktop-PC-/131279510514?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item1e90de5bf2)
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on September 01, 2014, 12:18:51 pm
im totally lost as far as finding a new computer....im scared ill make a purchase and it won't be what i'm looking for.
im also not sure if i trust buying something used on ebay i dont really like ebay in general.

Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: rjm65 on September 01, 2014, 01:00:20 pm
Well then expect to pay full price then, I can't see a difference in walmart selling a refurbished or used off lease machine and or a guy on ebay doing the same thing...  Only difference is the guy on ebay is selling it cheaper then walmart or other stores are selling it...  I can only steer you towards a deal, I can't make you take advantage of it....
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: 10i on September 01, 2014, 01:13:04 pm
Why not burn a live cd, or make a live install usb drive - and take it to a pc shop that sells the model you want. Ask if you can boot and test it.

That way you know everything works.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on September 01, 2014, 01:35:25 pm
i'll look into it, im going to take a few months of research and testing before i buy the desktop.
for now i need to find a 500 gig external drive that will plug  in and go with linux (if anyone can recommend
one you all know works with peppermint 5) and i'm trying to find a docking station for my laptop (dell latitude d630
but cant seem to find out if its exactly for this model and it they come with the power suppy) at least for now
with a external i will have more storage (which i need) and i will be able to power it on and off with out
opening the lid with the docking station i suppose i will just connect my monitor from that also.
if anyone can help me source those 2 items i would be greatful.
Title: Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
Post by: iamesperambient on September 01, 2014, 02:51:54 pm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-OptiPlex-755-Tower-Core-2-Duo-E6550-2-33GHz-3GB-160GB-DVD-Linux-Ubuntu-01-/351141633195?_trksid=p2054897.l5667 considering this as an option
seems like a good deal im iffy on ebay but may be worth buying considering the price.