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Title: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 02, 2019, 07:54:34 am
Hello Peppermint. 

Yesterday the 3.0 port on my 5 year old Toshiba Satellite died.  Since I do use every port on this laptop computer (It looks much like this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-Satellite-C70D-A-17-3-Laptop-i3-3120M-2-50GHz-750GB-HDD-8GB-Ram-DVD-RW/153525516897?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908103841%26meid%3Da4c75560fc9143d681c6d05eb5bbd8cd%26pid%3D100227%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D153525516897%26itm%3D153525516897&_trksid=p2054502.c100227.m3827)), I'm now gathering ideas as to how address this issue.

Any suggestions as for how to add another port on this aging desktop replacement computer?  I don't want to bring it to a local computer repair shop if I don't absolutely have to.

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2019, 10:02:00 am
Which model of Satellite ?

Has it got a PCMCIA Express slot ?



If not, I'm sure the Chinese will sell you a USB 2.0 --> USB 3.0 adapter :))
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 02, 2019, 08:35:38 pm
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Has it got a PCMCIA Express slot ?
-- PCNetSpec

Thanks, PCNetSpec.  Heck if I know.  But if a picture is worth a thousand words, here is what it looks like.  But you got to click onto the picture 6 times to see what I'm looking at here.  Sorry. :-[

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-Satellite-C70D-A-17-3-Laptop-i3-3120M-2-50GHz-750GB-HDD-8GB-Ram-DVD-RW/153525516897?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908103841%26meid%3Da4c75560fc9143d681c6d05eb5bbd8cd%26pid%3D100227%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D153525516897%26itm%3D153525516897&_trksid=p2054502.c100227.m3827
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Which model of Satellite ?

Satellite C70-A


And, just in case, here's its inxi -Fz too!

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perknh@peppermint ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: peppermint Kernel: 4.18.0-25-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Ten
Machine:   Device: laptop System: TOSHIBA product: Satellite C70-A v: PSCE2U-03E00S serial: N/A
           Mobo: Type2 - Board Vendor Name1 model: Type2 - Board Product Name1 v: Type2 - Board Version serial: N/A
           UEFI [Legacy]: Insyde v: 1.30 date: 04/18/2014
Battery    hidpp__1: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU:       Dual core Intel Pentium 2020M (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2400 MHz 1: 1197 MHz 2: 1197 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.20.1 )
           drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1600x900@60.01hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile
           version: 4.2 Mesa 18.2.8
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Def. Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.18.0-25-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter driver: rtl8188ee
           IF: wlp2s0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8162 Fast Ethernet driver: alx
           IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 360.1GB (5.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: PNY_CS1311_240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: 2105 size: 120.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 110G used: 19G (18%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb1
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 169 Uptime: 6 min Memory: 676.6/5854.9MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56
perknh@peppermint ~ $
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If not, I'm sure the Chinese will sell you a USB 2.0 --> USB 3.0 adapter :))

-- PCNetSpec

Good one!!  I'll only believe it if and when I see a blue piece of plastic inside!  ;D


Off topic:

Installed Peppermint 10 onto an HP Stream tonight.  Firefox's default search engine was Google.  I didn't see Peppermint DDG anywhere.  I added it though through perknhs-personal-startpage.  Thought you should know.  Might be a one-off install, who knows?  Chromium, incidentally, has no such issue.

Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: murraymint on July 02, 2019, 08:38:16 pm

Installed Peppermint 10 onto an HP Stream tonight.  Firefox's default search engine was Google.  I didn't see Peppermint DDG anywhere.  I added it though through perknhs-personal-startpage.  Thought you should know.  Might be a one-off install, who knows?

Now that you mention it, I did an install today with the same result.
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 03, 2019, 09:12:28 am
Quote from: perknh
Installed Peppermint 10 onto an HP Stream tonight.  Firefox's default search engine was Google.  I didn't see Peppermint DDG anywhere.  I added it though through perknhs-personal-startpage.  Thought you should know.  Might be a one-off install, who knows?  Chromium, incidentally, has no such issue.

Okay I'm gonna need to look into that then .. thanks for the heads up.

[EDIT]

Sorry perknh, that doesn't have an expresscard slot, so I can't think of any way of easily adding USB 3
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 04, 2019, 05:10:49 am
Sorry perknh, that doesn't have an expresscard slot, so I can't think of any way of easily adding USB 3

That's okay, I don't need a USB 3.  All I need is another USB port.  Is there something I can buy to insert into the one working USB 2 port I have on that side of the computer that would give me two working USB 2 ports -- something like what you can do from a wall jack in your house?  See I normally use a mouse and a fan on that side of the computer, and now I have no working fan.  I don't care if something hangs out of the side of the computer because this computer never travels anywhere anyhow.
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: murraymint on July 04, 2019, 05:37:00 am
Yes, it's called a USB hub. You usually get at least four ports by plugging it into one.
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 04, 2019, 06:23:32 am
Yes, it's called a USB hub. You usually get at least four ports by plugging it into one.

That's what I need then.  Thanks, murraymint. :)
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 04, 2019, 03:41:06 pm
We're talking about something like this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-High-Speed-4-Ports-USB-3-0-USB-2-0-Multi-HUB-Splitter-Adapter-For-PC-LaptoNJ/113778046537?hash=item1a7db33649:g:ij0AAOSwxZxcE3Xr), aren't we, murraymint?

I think that's what I'm looking for. ;)
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 04, 2019, 05:53:12 pm
Yes that is an unpowered USB hub, but they don't have to look that horrible pernkh.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Port-Aluminum-USB-3-0-Hub-5V-2A-Power-Adapter-for-PC-Laptop-Notebook-Desktop/132225990464
there are thousands to choose from. (just search amazon/ebay for "usb 3.0 hub" or similar).

But depending on what you are planning on connecting to it, you may or may not  want a powered hub. (?)

Question .. is the USB port that's left USB 2 or USB 3 ?
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: VinDSL on July 04, 2019, 06:14:29 pm
Swank: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Insten-7-Port-USB-Hub-with-ON-OFF-Switch-Adapter-LED-Light/28881656

How do they make a profit, selling these things for 5 bucks???





Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 04, 2019, 08:03:05 pm
Ahh, but mine looks like it's made for Apple users, so obviously it's worth more right ? :P

(but you do also get the 2A power brick in case you wanna add anything that draws more power than the USB port can supply)
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 04, 2019, 08:32:08 pm
Question .. is the USB port that's left USB 2 or USB 3 ?

It's a USB 2.
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: murraymint on July 04, 2019, 08:38:35 pm
Swank: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Insten-7-Port-USB-Hub-with-ON-OFF-Switch-Adapter-LED-Light/28881656

How do they make a profit, selling these things for 5 bucks???

I've got one of those. It's quite handy supposing you never need it.
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 04, 2019, 09:11:24 pm
Swank: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Insten-7-Port-USB-Hub-with-ON-OFF-Switch-Adapter-LED-Light/28881656

How do they make a profit, selling these things for 5 bucks???

I've got one of those. It's quite handy supposing you never need it.

4 stars, 5 bucks -- that's amazing! :o
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 05, 2019, 03:07:26 pm
Question .. is the USB port that's left USB 2 or USB 3 ?

It's a USB 2.

Just remember USB 3.0 is backwards compatible but USB 2.0 isn't forwards compatible .. so a powered USB 3.0 hub will be useable in all circumstances.

Unpowered USB 2.0 will only be useful for low powered USB 2.0 attachments.

As these things are all pretty cheap I personally would be thinking of a powered USB 3.0 hub, it can still be used as an unpowered USB 2.0 hub, but the same can't be said the other way around.
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 05, 2019, 03:26:01 pm
Just remember USB 3.0 is backwards compatible but USB 2.0 isn't forwards compatible .. so a powered USB 3.0 hub will be useable in all circumstances.

Unpowered USB 2.0 will only be useful for low powered USB 2.0 attachments.

As these things are all pretty cheap I personally would be thinking of a powered USB 3.0 hub, it can still be used as an unpowered USB 2.0 hub, but the same can't be said the other way around.

That's a great idea, PCNetSpec. Will do. ;)

And to everyone here:  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  The heck with putting $100 into a $200 +/- computer because one little USB port bit the dust. ::)
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 07, 2019, 06:16:58 pm
Went with this one because of its good reviews.  Should be getting it in the mail in about 9 days.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/391963099313


@VinDSL

Walmart's 2.0 USB Hub here in Nuevo Hampshire is going for around $8.88, and the 3.0 for just under $20.  I told the sales clerk I knew for a fact that Walmart had better prices than this online. ;)

Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: VinDSL on July 07, 2019, 07:04:41 pm
@VinDSL

Walmart's 2.0 USB Hub here in Nuevo Hampshire is going for around $8.88, and the 3.0 for just under $20.  I told the sales clerk I knew for a fact that Walmart had better prices than this online. ;)

Yup, there are all sorts of games one needs to play, at Walmart. They're playing you, so you might as well play them too - or let 'em bend you over the counter and enjoy being screwed.

I won't bore you with all the various details, but often you are better off ordering things online, and having them 'delivered' to your local store - even if the items are sitting on shelves in your local store, and available for same day pickup. Playing this game often saves you big bucks on things like (say) car batteries.

Price-matching is another trick, and all depends on the store manager. Some will price-match, some won't. I got a $75.00 refund on the last TV I bought at Walmart. The dummies price-matched themselves. But, I said I wouldn't bore you with all the details.

Suffice to say, getting the best prices at Walmart is often like playing 3D Chess  :)
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 07, 2019, 07:28:19 pm
Though that 'says' powered:-

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Features:    Powered

I'm not seeing an included power brick (for if/when you need to power it).

I hate it when they pull that bulls**t .. without an included power brick is ISN'T %@$^ing 'powered' is it  >:(

[EDIT]

In fact non of the pics even show a socket for an 'aftermarket' power brick .. so more like a blatant lie than a misrepresentation.
(still that's grounds for a return if you want .. at least it would be this side of the pond)
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 07, 2019, 08:18:46 pm
Though that 'says' powered:-

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Features:    Powered

I'm not seeing an included power brick (for if/when you need to power it).


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Package Included:
1X 4 Ports USB 3.0 Data Hub
1X User Manual

No, it looks pretty basic.  Didn't it say somewhere that it was powered by a cable?

Here it is:
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USB Hub 3.0 powered With 15cm USB 3.0 Cable

Clearly they're using the word powered quite loosely! ;D

I didn't even think to ask here about the hubs I saw that came with a power charger.  My mistake.  Maybe I didn't end up making such a great purchase after all, :-[ That said, the USB 2.0 and 3.0 hubs I saw today had Walmart didn't appear to have power bricks included either.

Thank you, guys.  I'm still learning about this stuff. 
Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: VinDSL on July 07, 2019, 08:40:10 pm
I'm *guessing* this hub will have a VIA VL812 5V DC-DC switching regulator inside.

PICS: https://news.softpedia.com/news/VIA-Announces-New-USB-3-0-Hub-Controller-265784.shtml#sgal_0

If so, you should be okay, as long as you don't try to charge batteries (such as a cell phone) using the hub ports.




Title: Re: Broken USB Port 3.0
Post by: perknh on July 07, 2019, 08:54:49 pm
I'm *guessing* this hub will have a VIA VL812 5V DC-DC switching regulator inside.

PICS: https://news.softpedia.com/news/VIA-Announces-New-USB-3-0-Hub-Controller-265784.shtml#sgal_0

If so, you should be okay, as long as you don't try to charge batteries (such as a cell phone) using the hub ports.

Phew -- interesting find!  I hope you're right.  Thanks, VinDSL, and thanks for mentioning the cell phone too.  I won't try charging it with it.