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Title: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 22, 2019, 01:27:14 pm
https://www.change.org/p/canonical-canonical-dont-remove-32-bit-support-in-the-next-version-of-ubuntu (https://www.change.org/p/canonical-canonical-dont-remove-32-bit-support-in-the-next-version-of-ubuntu)

Well this is a thing

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: VinDSL on June 22, 2019, 03:20:18 pm
Might want to get 64 bit working right, before killing 32 bit.

Just saying...  :D






Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 22, 2019, 03:51:55 pm
So the whole point is people think Ubuntu will be hosting ZERO 32bit packages, and therefore things like WINE and Steam won't work ?

I'd be pretty sure they'll still do something like the old ia32libs package so that stuff continues to work .. Ubuntu aint gonna shoot themselves in the foot by removing ALL 32bit support. They're just trying save the manpower of maintaining (patching) 32bit packages, as far as I know nobody said "no 32bit support AT ALL".

IMHO everyone's reading far too much into this .. it **WILL** mean the end of 32bit Ubuntu based distros, I seriously doubt if it'll mean the end of gaming on Ubuntu.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 22, 2019, 06:26:48 pm
Ubuntu would be totally shooting themselves in the foot, even more than they have been recently, if they did away with gaming.

Also, WINE has a 64-bit version. So, it's available in distributions that don't have any 32-bit packages. Does it work well? I don't know. There have been times where something hasn't worked in WINE 64 and the answer is to force a 32-bit Wine prefix.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 22, 2019, 07:25:11 pm
You'd have to be nuts if you think Ubuntu would go to the lengths they have to include the nvidia drivers if they were gonna kill off gaming :)

They'll have a plan for sure .. it'd probably only require a comeback of something akin to ia32-libs (which is what provided 32bit compatibility prior to multiarch .. and in a lot of ways was a simpler solution).

I have no doubt though that they just mean "we're dropping 32bit software packages", not so much 32bit libraries (at least the ones required for 32bit compatibility for wine, steam, etc.).
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 22, 2019, 08:09:07 pm
You'd have to be nuts if you think Ubuntu would go to the lengths they have to include the nvidia drivers if they were gonna kill off gaming :)

They'll have a plan for sure .. it'd probably only require a comeback of something akin to ia32-libs (which is what provided 32bit compatibility prior to multiarch .. and in a lot of ways was a simpler solution).

I have no doubt though that they just mean "we're dropping 32bit software packages", not so much 32bit libraries (at least the ones required for 32bit compatibility for wine, steam, etc.).

Yup, everything PCNetSpec said here sounds right to me. It's probably going to be the same 64-bit version of the OS we have now, with 32-bit stuff being installed where necessary. What they're likely going to be doing away with is the 32-bit .iso and 32-bit versions of programs with 64-bit versions, except for maybe stuff like WINE.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 22, 2019, 10:23:09 pm
Hmm, after listening to Alan Pope on BDLL tonight I'm not feeling as confident as I was earlier :( .. he's suggesting they're possibly going to drop ALL 32bit libs (which would effectively kill of steam and wine on Ubuntu >= 19.10) :o

I should add that he 'suggested' nothing is set in stone at the moment it's still just an internal discussion, and the Ubuntu team are going to be returning to work on Monday having to deal with the internet furore so we'll only then see what happens .. but Valve are taking it seriously enough that they're suggesting they'll not support or recommend Ubuntu from 19.10
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/steam-announces-that-its-dropping-support-for-ubuntu

I'm willing to wait and see how this pans out before making any rash judgement, but if they decide to plough on regardless (which let's face it is their M.O. of late) and drop ALL 32bit libs (or even just include them only as a snap) I'm willing to bet this will kill desktop Ubuntu (certainly derivatives unless they rebase .. Ubuntu may be able to survive purely on IoT but derivatives won't).

I'm also willing to bet it'd kill em in the server room and corporate desktop environments too .. lots of software still requires 32bit libs such as virtualisation, legacy/bespoke software, many legacy printer (and other) drivers, etc. it's not just about games.

I'm having trouble believing they've actually thought this through and will do it, but we'll have to wait and see....

I understood their decision to drop 32bit ISO's, I would even understand them dropping full multiarch in their repos, but dropping ALL 32bit support libraries would IMHO be insane :-\
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 23, 2019, 12:11:17 am
Does Alan Pope work for Canonical? (serious question, not sarcasm)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 23, 2019, 07:38:22 am
you can read what he does here

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 23, 2019, 08:15:02 am
you can read what he does here

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope)

Thanks. I don't know any of the peoples' names who work at Ubuntu besides Shuttleworth.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: 151tom on June 23, 2019, 03:33:56 pm
FWIW.

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/is-ubuntu-not-dropping-32-bit-app-support-after-all


Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 03:38:27 pm
Thanks 151tom .. I hoped knew had a feeling they'd see sense and row back on that, it would have killed them :)

Panic over :)
(though I'm not sure 'freezing' the 32bit libs at the 18.04 versions but including them in the repos for >= 19.10 will be permanently issue free either .. I mean how long will the 18.04 32bit libs keep working as everything else progresses including the libs they were built against ??? .. I'm not sure anyone's ever tried this)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 23, 2019, 05:30:49 pm
That only makes sense. Most other (but not all) distributions that are only available in a 64-bit .iso still let you install 32-bit programs.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 05:38:32 pm
I'm not sure 'freezing' the 32bit libs at the 18.04 versions but including them in the repos for >= 19.10 will be permanently issue free either .. I mean how long will the 18.04 32bit libs keep working as everything else progresses, including the libs (such as libc) they were built against ??? .. I'm not sure anyone's ever tried this ???

And what about security .. will they be patched if vulnerabilities are discovered ?
(they'd damn well better be if companies pay for support via things like Ubuntu Advantage)

There's still a LOT of questions that need answering here, which Ubuntu still aren't communicating well.....

It feels a bit like it wasn't thought through (or wasn't meant to get out yet before it was thought through), and now they've been caught scrambling for answers to questions they weren't prepared for yet.
(no evidence for this, just the way it 'feels' to me)

I'm not knocking them (now) .. I guess these things happen, you have an internal discussion that leaks before it's a fully developed idea and the sh*t hits the public fan. Let's wait and see where they go with it, they're gonna HAVE to make a public statement now :)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 23, 2019, 06:33:51 pm
I think people need to quit reporting guesses and let the fine folks at Canonical figure something out and announce what it is. Internet rumors are really grating on my nerves lately, not just with this but with other things too. >:(
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 06:51:30 pm
Responsibility must rest with Canonical though, one of two things happened here

a) it was an internal discussion that wasn't fully developed .. well it shouldn't have been posted publicly then (but sh*t happens I guess).

or

b) It was a decision that was meant to be public but wasn't thought through and/or wasn't presented well (and continues not to be).

In either case, the furore was understandable and justified as it would have negatively affect so many (as it was initially presented) .. I repeat, this was not just about 32bit PC's and/or games, it would have been MUCH bigger than that (again as initially presented).

[EDIT]

I'd also hope (but could be wrong) that Valve wouldn't have publicly reacted as they did without first having contacted Canonical for clarification .. so you have to wonder what was said (if indeed they were asked) ?

[EDIT 2]

Anyway, let's hope it all gets sorted positively now.

to be continued (no doubt)...
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 07:06:09 pm
I think it may have been exacerbated by timing .. it seemed to hit the fan just as the weekend started, so maybe there was simply nobody around to manage the situation or clarify the official position ?

But again that's a management issue no matter how you cut it. You can't just leak that you're possibly gonna kill up to half of everyone's hardware, half their legacy/bespoke software, and 80% (?) of their games then go on holiday :)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 23, 2019, 07:16:10 pm
I'd also hope (but could be wrong) that Valve wouldn't have publicly reacted as they did without first having contacted Canonical for clarification .. so you have to wonder what was said (if indeed they were asked) ?

I wouldn't count on that, considering the circumstances that led to Steam for Linux in the first place. There was a chance that Steam might not work correctly in Windows 8, so they started porting the whole thing to Linux. Not that I'm complaining, that was one of the best decisions in the history of decisions. I'm just saying it wouldn't have happened without a (possible) overreaction by Valve.

Though, I can see why they'd be pissed if Canonical did make such a move, since they're fully invested in Linux now. They keep developing Proton, which is their own compatibility layer for running Windows games in Linux. They don't want their work to be for nothing and their major Linux user base be left without a way to play. So, realistically, Valve is just looking out for their customers, (and their profits) as they've done in the past.

With radical decisions like this and the decision to start moving to Snaps, I wouldn't be surprised if Ubuntu winds up getting forked. It's certainly happened in the past to distributions that haven't looked out for their users' best interests. Remember Mandriva back in the day? They fired all of their key people and started releasing a distribution that was a shell of what it used to be. So, those key people forked it and formed Mageia. If anybody currently in the game is going to successfully fork them, my money is on Mint. They have a better track record of looking out for their users. (Cinnamon/MATE) But, we'll see.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 07:19:33 pm
An interesting supposition, but I doubt Mint currently have the manpower, money, or infrastructure .. that said, if Canonical did totally kill 32bit support, investment may have been forthcoming from affected commercial entities (but more likely IMHO they'd simply switch to redhat/debian) .. but who knows.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 23, 2019, 07:29:18 pm
Yeah, that's the biggest hurdle. They could also start a nonprofit. That's been done before as people have banded behind software and operating systems they wanted to keep. Mageia is funded by a nonprofit. So is Blender.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 07:30:57 pm
Yep, stranger things have happened in the wonderful world of open source :)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 08:01:13 pm
Okay here's why Ubuntu's response of freezing the 32bit support libs from 18.04 and using them in >= 19.10 probably won't work .. from the wine devs mailing list:
https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2019-June/147869.html

Again making me think this was a rushed response.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 23, 2019, 08:22:35 pm
I think the main issue isn't what they're going to do for 19.10. The make or break moment is going to be 20.04. 19.10 is a "testing" release, though some users don't seem to understand that. People act like they have to have the answers come October or the world will end. No, they have that release to tinker with stuff and the  another six months to get it right for the next LTS.

So, in my humble opinion, the biggest issue is still people overreacting on the Internet. They're forcing the rushed responses from Canonical.

Also, I'd like to point out once more that there are 64-bit only distributions that still have 32-bit libs for stuff like gaming. Solus is a great example. Solus is independent, which is why I picked them. They have only a 64-bit . iso, yet they have 32-bit stuff in their repositories. Wine, Steam, all of that works with Solus. Their NVIDIA driver installer gives you the option to install the 32-bit NVIDIA libs. There's no reason Canonical can't do the same. Will they? That remains to be seen.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 23, 2019, 11:52:26 pm
But the point is currently they're suggesting not .. their latest response is they'll be keeping the 32bit libs frozen at those in 18.04, this will not work as there will be a mismatch between their versions and the 64bit libs in 19.10 (and 20.04) .. as I (and apparently the wine devs) understand it they'll either have to maintain a version match or they may as well not bother at all.

Over to you Canonical ?
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 24, 2019, 07:39:09 am
You know, I haven't tried Fedora in ages...
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 24, 2019, 08:10:18 am
You should take a look at openSUSE Tumbleweed too, if you havn't recently.

I am liking the KDE version right now

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 24, 2019, 08:13:40 am
I downloaded OpenSUSE Leap last week, but it was too big to put on the flash drive I was trying to use.  ::)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 24, 2019, 08:21:22 am
I used the net install edition - takes longer to install but you end up completely uptodate
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 24, 2019, 08:55:35 am
I used the net install edition - takes longer to install but you end up completely uptodate

I thought about doing that. Do they let you pick your desktop? I seem to remember OpenSUSE coming with multiple options, that's why the .iso is so large.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 24, 2019, 09:24:19 am
Yes, it's part of the install process but I think you might only get a choice of Gnome or KDE unless there was an "other" option - to be honest I never really looked further than KDE on the installer
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 24, 2019, 09:37:48 am
If you're downloading it from the web, you should be able to select more than two. They have a wide variety of desktops available. I dunno, maybe I'll try it out this weekend.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: kloos on June 24, 2019, 09:47:24 am
Ok, I'm sure this would have been mentioned if it was an issue, but it needs to be asked...  If they do cut 32bit support, would this effect Peppermint running steam and the like?
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 24, 2019, 09:56:57 am
Probably yes - It will effect every single OS based off of Ubuntu.

Lets wait and see where this goes and what options become available if they are needed.

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: kloos on June 24, 2019, 10:07:27 am
I'm sure the dev's here already are, but it's never too early to plan for disaster recovery so we are ready should the worst happen.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 24, 2019, 11:12:36 am
Now isn't the time to panic (but it is probably the time to let Ubuntu know how foolish this would be), as you suggest it's time to look for options depending on how this pans out.

Personally I'm still of the opinion that Canonical will see (or be forced to see) the idiocy of this decision and will keep the core 32bit libs .. but rest assured we'll be keeping a close eye on developments and though we may be forced to abandon a 32bit ISO we have no intention of abandoning 32bit support in the 64bit ISO (whatever path that sends us down).

Luckily this won't affect the PM10 respin (as it'll still be 18.04 based), so we have 6 moths(ish) to see how this plays out before making any hard decisions .. though that obviously won't stop us evaluating options for PM11.

As Zeb wisely said:-

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Lets wait and see where this goes and what options become available if they are needed.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 24, 2019, 01:06:57 pm
BOOM!!!! all the weekend feedback worked

https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts (https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 24, 2019, 01:23:40 pm
I figured they'd eventually climbdown listen to their users on this.

Thanks Zeb .. sense prevails :)
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 24, 2019, 01:31:30 pm
Still not sure I like this bit though

Quote
We will also work with the WINE, Ubuntu Studio and gaming communities to use container technology to address the ultimate end of life of 32-bit libraries; it should stay possible to run old applications on newer versions of Ubuntu. Snaps and LXD enable us both to have complete 32-bit environments, and bundled libraries, to solve these issues in the long term.

I'm getting that sinking feeling they'll use this as an opportunity to try push snaps by somehow adding the 32bit libs back via a snap, and making sure only software installed as snaps can access them.
That too won't work as it woun't address the problem of leagcy hardware drivers working in NON snap software (such as printer/scanner/plotter/other legacy hardware drivers).
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 24, 2019, 06:22:33 pm
I'd imagine, aside from the community outcry, Valve making public statements that they'll no longer support Ubuntu had a lot to do with this. Canonical has to know that they'll lose a lot of people if they can't run Steam.



Aside from the push to snaps that PCNetSpec pointed out, this part is bothering me too:

Quote
We will put in place a community process to determine which 32-bit packages are needed to support legacy software, and can add to that list post-release if we miss something that is needed.

At least for 19.10, expect for some stuff to not work right away. They're going to try and figure out what is needed, likely won't get everything and will then have to add it to the repositories after people try to install it and find out what is missing. It's going to be a mess at first.

Also, you have to love how they call it "legacy software," like that stuff isn't still being developed.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: stevesveryown on June 24, 2019, 08:09:56 pm
I think people need to quit reporting guesses and let the fine folks at Canonical figure something out and announce what it is. Internet rumors are really grating on my nerves lately, not just with this but with other things too. >:(

It makes for great click-bait , whether written word or on platforms like YouTube.  Personally I have very little knowledge on this subject.  There are only a few people I know I would get the honest truth from, like our own PCNetSpec.  I'll bring up the discussion on my channel but I won't click-bait it.  We will have to wait and see what happens.  I won't abandon our Peppermint in the future and trust in the real 'Big Poppa Peppermint'!  ;D
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: 151tom on June 25, 2019, 01:00:47 am
So would dropping all 32 bit everything effect all users or just certain users as I'm still somewhat confused as to exactly what would change.

Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: zebedeeboss on June 25, 2019, 01:14:26 am
Hi

There are still applications and games today that are written using 32bit libraries.  So yes on an individual use case - every single user could/would be effected depending on what software they use.  32 bit is still an integral part of Linux so for them to just say we are ending support was just plain silly.

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: 151tom on June 25, 2019, 01:23:31 am
OK that makes sense.

Thanks  :)

Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: VinDSL on June 25, 2019, 07:24:40 am
I'm getting that sinking feeling they'll use this as an opportunity to try push snaps

Bingo! It's a business decision, at its core, and a reckoning, too.

Quote from: Ubuntu dev Steve Langasek
It's not very compelling to say that Canonical should continue bearing these costs out of pocket on the grounds that some other companies are unwilling to update their software to an ISA from this millennium.

Going forward, Ubu WILL eventually quit supporting i386 as an architecture. You can bank on that, but...

Quote from: Ubuntu dev Steve Langasek
There are a number of ways that 32-bit applications can continue to be made available to users of later Ubuntu releases.

If companies want to support their 32 bit users via Snaps, fine. But, Ubu isn't going to do it for them (for free).

That's the way I'm reading it...
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 25, 2019, 07:41:06 am
It's not just about applications, though corporate users would like their legacy bespoke apps to continue to work they have an expectation that their hardware peripherals continue to work. Canonical can say until they're blue in the face that it's not their fault but at the end of the day they are an OPERATING SYSTEM which isn't much good if stuff doesn't OPERATE under.

Every other base distro is managing to keep core 32bit libs even where they've dropped 64bit ISOs and full multiarch, and I think it's a bit of a stretch for Canonical to suggest they're paying for this when they don't author the libs, they just rebuild them against their libc version.

This (to me) isn't a business decision (after all, their climbdown proves they know it would kill them), it's politics with a currently hidden agenda.

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 25, 2019, 07:47:27 am
Or as I said, maybe something they've planned from word one as a way to push snaps.

Announce it, wait for the furore, then sell snap as the SOLUTION to a problem that never really existed .. it all feels somewhat suspect to me.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.....

[EDIT]

snap would NOT be a solution, if the 32it libs are added back only as a snap only snaps would be able to access them properly.

It's only be a half solution to a problem they themselves created.

[EDIT 2]

Over the years I've been a staunch supporter of Ubuntu, championing all they've done for Linux even in the face of (understandable) community disenchantment at some of their design decisions. I felt even if you didn't like some of their choices underneath they were an honest company that deserved respect for helping drive Linux as a whole .. I must say I'm QUICKLY loosing faith in that position, and I don't like it one bit. Ubuntu NEED to start communicating their intentions more clearly, they're now quickly loosing the trust of their staunchest supporters too :(

Canonical/Ubuntu .. loose trust, and you've lost EVERYTHING .. if your core 'believers' (the people who are pre-disposed to believe in/trust you) are now questioning you mission/intentions, you're getting something dramatically wrong .. fix it.

A fudged statement that basically says "you're all wrong and we're right, but we'll keep 32bit libs in some undisclosed way just to shut you up .. but it'll be on our terms, and you'll probably not like the way we do it" comes across as arrogant, not enough, and smacks of the attitude you're portraying of late that got you into this trust deficit in the first place ::)

Rally Linux support again as was your historical position, that is and should always remain the lens though which Ubuntu is viewed.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: pin on June 25, 2019, 08:46:49 am
Exactly!!!
Canonical/Ubuntu pushing snap and RedHat/Fedora pushing flatpak  :(
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 25, 2019, 08:54:32 am
Most of me WANTS to scream "you're wrong" .. but I'm faltering lately :(

Canonical are making themselves and their position VERY hard to defend lately .. even though every fibre of my being WANTS to :(
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: 151tom on June 25, 2019, 11:59:58 am
FWIW.

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/ubuntu-reverses-decision-will-now-support-32-bit-apps

Update.

I find a few things in this article particularly interesting.

https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/


I doubt any of this will affect me although I may be wrong but if it should I'll just migrate back to Debian.

I'm beginning to understand why Clem Lefebvre and the Linux Mint Devs is placing a lot of emphasis on LMDE as it's all beginning to make sense now.

https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3633
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: daragon37 on June 25, 2019, 12:29:41 pm
I am curious, do you all at Peppermint have a backup plan in case Ubuntu kills itself in anyway?
Can never go wrong making a backup plan.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: pin on June 25, 2019, 02:21:19 pm
@daragon37
Probably, this is not the best place for such a question... but, yes would be the short answer.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: pin on June 26, 2019, 01:01:40 am
Ops! I might have missread your question...
I've got the impression you were asking us as general users.
But, you could be asking about the Peppermint team?  :-\
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: daragon37 on June 26, 2019, 07:29:45 am
Ops! I might have missread your question...
I've got the impression you were asking us as general users.
But, you could be asking about the Peppermint team?  :-\

Yeah I was asking the Peppermint team. There are lots of backups for users.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 26, 2019, 12:18:06 pm
We're always considering options so should be able to move pretty quickly if it became necessary, but no there's no specific plan in place.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: scifidude79 on June 26, 2019, 06:56:20 pm
The key to finding a plan is what exactly Canonical will do. Right now, they're saying they're going to include 32-bit libs in both 19.10 and 20.04. 20.04 is what Peppermint 11 and (presumably) 12 are planned to be based on. So, they should be OK. But, you never know. You also never know what will happen with Canonical in a year's time. They may reverse the decision and decide to still drop the 32-bit .iso but at least keep 32-bit packages in their repositories. But, I won't hold my breath on that happening.

Who knows, maybe this decision will force some software (like Steam) go 64-bit. But, I wouldn't count on it. Also, there are games that will still require 32-bit libs to be installed, even if the platform itself goes 64. Hell, there are games on GOG that require some 32-bit libs to be installed to work correctly. So, Canonical could be making a lot of people unhappy with this one. Whether they know it or not, this will hurt them in the long run. Gamers will jump ship to be able to still play their stuff. I personally have a backup plan, more than one in fact.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: kloos on June 27, 2019, 08:06:37 am
As long as you can move "pretty quickly" then we are in safe hands should the worst happen.  It always pays to have options that have been thought through when you have the luxury of not having to panic.
Title: Re: 32 bit Petition
Post by: pin on June 29, 2019, 07:36:42 am
Most of me WANTS to scream "you're wrong" .. but I'm faltering lately :(

Canonical are making themselves and their position VERY hard to defend lately .. even though every fibre of my being WANTS to :(

And here you go...
News from the "other side of the fence", https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2019/06/24/on-the-road-to-fedora-workstation-31/