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Title: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: spence on April 09, 2019, 05:42:51 pm
Just stumbled across this yesterday... wondered what y'all thought? Will it change your usage?

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/major-browsers-to-prevent-disabling-of-click-tracking-privacy-risk/ (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/major-browsers-to-prevent-disabling-of-click-tracking-privacy-risk/)
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: VinDSL on April 09, 2019, 09:40:03 pm
Brave and Fx are looking better, all the time...  :)







Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 10, 2019, 06:36:31 am
<-- smiles smugly :)

(this is what happens when an advertiser pretty much owns the web .. take a stand and switch to Firefox .. not Brave, who are also advertisers)
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: spence on April 10, 2019, 11:41:59 am
given that nearly everything anymore is clickbait, I figured you guys would get right to the bottom of it...

I suppose that's the bit of code that everyone has used forever to know where their web traffic is coming from, just curious that ggl would prevent disabling of it now?

 8)
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 02:30:10 pm
I don't have a crystal ball, but I've been doing this stuff a long time - actually a decade before Al Gore even invented the web.  ;D

There is only one (1) purpose for 'ping'... tracking people. That's the stated purpose, and they're selling it as a way to make the web safer for kids, old farts, and so forth, and so on.

Fx was smart. They've included 'ping' in their browser, but it's disabled by default. When you finally give up the fight, you can turn it on.

Brave... not so smart. AFAIK, they have not included 'ping' in their browser.

The way I see it shaking out, as time goes on, is one's browser will become less and less usable, if you aren't allowing 'ping' to track you.

Put another way, it's just a matter of time before everyone will have to acquiesce to 'ping' and allow it to track you everywhere you go, and watch everything you do.

It's a Borg thing. One can fight it, as much as they wish, but you WILL be assimilated  ::)
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 02:34:40 pm
This will explain it, better than I. To wit...

https://youtu.be/XFfaonRMrqw
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 10, 2019, 06:49:23 pm
Websites will only force it on you when the amount of people who they'd loose by enforcement becomes insignificantly small .. so KEEP THE NUMBERS UP, take a stand and use Firefox..
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: spence on April 16, 2019, 06:48:48 pm
 ;)

I do use Firefox... and have used it & Seamonkey pretty exclusively since p8. I am testing something for a Netflix debate over in one of the MeWe Linux groups,  therefore just re-installed Chromium a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: pin on April 21, 2019, 11:29:23 am
Ops  :o
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-firefox-to-enable-hyperlink-ping-tracking-by-default/
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: spence on April 21, 2019, 12:35:36 pm
Ops  :o
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-firefox-to-enable-hyperlink-ping-tracking-by-default/

So we could all install API-Killer-Beacon ... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/api-killer-beacon/ (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/api-killer-beacon/)

 ???
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: pin on April 21, 2019, 12:53:47 pm
Thanks spence  8)
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: spence on April 21, 2019, 05:45:23 pm
Dunno if any of these will help with the chromium family of browsers ?!?


  (https://imgur.com/i4thyG3l.png)
 (https://i.imgur.com/i4thyG3.png)

 :-\
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 22, 2019, 08:53:40 am
According to this:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-firefox-to-enable-hyperlink-ping-tracking-by-default/
Mozilla are also planning on enabling click tracking in Firefox and making it impossible to disable .. if they do that, I may have to seriously reconsider my position on their claims of "Private Browsing with Tracking Protection" >:(

I don't care what their reasoning is, or even if it's correct .. capitulation is not the answer.
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: scifidude79 on April 22, 2019, 09:13:30 am
According to this:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-firefox-to-enable-hyperlink-ping-tracking-by-default/
Mozilla are also planning on enabling click tracking in Firefox and making it impossible to disable .. if they do that, I may have to seriously reconsider my position on their claims of "Private Browsing with Tracking Protection" >:(

I don't care what their reasoning is, or even if it's correct .. capitulation is not the answer.

B-but it's going to make your user experience better. Don't you want a better user experience? ???

Basically, their reasoning is: they're going to track anyway, so why not make it help you? ::)

That's like saying the government is watching you from the panel van across the street, and they're going to do it no matter what, so you might as well have them wash your car while they're out there.
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 22, 2019, 02:10:44 pm
Yeah dumbest excuse I've heard in .. erm, well not very long actually, but that doesn't change my point any :)

The correct response would be "sure we'll allow our users to disable it, and when sites try to circumvent it we'll block that too" .. because here at Mozilla we like to think Firefox is all about "Private Browsing with Tracking Protection" .. in fact we say so on our website.

Mozilla/Firefox will loose a lot of good will (and possibly users) if they do this .. don't be dumb Mozilla.
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: spence on April 22, 2019, 02:54:50 pm
It's not like there's anywhere else to go. Nevermind that the vast majority of the www userbase barely knows what a browser is, much less how to change from one to another!?!
( tech support: "What Browser are you using?" |User "ummm Windows... ... ...")
 :o

So I'd hazard a guess Mozilla/Firefox doesn't necessarily see any downside...

gonna go ponder the Brave installation
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: scifidude79 on April 22, 2019, 06:28:05 pm
Remember, Mozilla hasn't hit the iceberg yet, there's still time to alter that decision. I remember when the XBOX One was announced, Microsoft said the console would constantly have to be online and they would charge for playing used games. Both decisions met with public outcry and were reversed. Though, they did still require you to buy their spy camera with the console in the first year or two, which is why I didn't buy one at first. But, even that got changed when they released consoles without it. So, Mozilla can swerve to avoid the iceberg. It's a question of whether or not they will. Chrome is already beating them in the market share, they need to decide how much more ground they want to lose with a decision like this. (I'm not saying people will go to Chrome, as it does this too, but they'll seek non Mozilla alternatives)
Title: Re: Chomium based browsers to Prevent Disabling of Click Tracking??
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 23, 2019, 08:27:15 am
To tell the truth I'm quite surprised by Mozilla's response, so I'm wondering just how 'official' the response was in the first place.

And Mozilla themselves have been forced to backtrack on a few decisions lately because of community reaction .. so yeah this still might be averted (one can hope).