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Title: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on April 03, 2019, 12:36:52 am
Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the developers seem defeated and depressed (https://betanews.com/2019/04/01/linux-mint-depressed/)
By Brian Fagioli - BetaNews, Published 4/1/2019  [Updated 4/2/2019]

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Today should be happy times for the Linux Mint community, as we finally learn some new details about the upcoming version 19.2! It will be based on Ubuntu 18.04 and once again feature three desktop environments -- Xfce, Mate, and Cinnamon. We even found out the code name for Linux Mint 19.2 -- "Tina." And yet, it is hard to celebrate. Why? Because the developers seem to be depressed and defeated. They even appear to be a bit disenchanted with Free Software development overall.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: scifidude79 on April 03, 2019, 03:00:08 am
It's a shame Clem feels that way. Mint is a great distribution. If not for Peppermint, I'd be running Mint. It's what I was running when I found Peppermint.

If he feels that way, maybe he should find someone to hand development over to.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on April 03, 2019, 03:23:51 am
I quit using and supporting Linux Mint back in 2009, when Clem 'kindly asked' those that support Israels defense against Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists to stop using and supporting his distro. To wit...

Quote from: Clement Lefebvre
Im only going to ask for one thing here. If you do not agree I kindly ask you not to use Linux Mint and not to donate money to it.


Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: scifidude79 on April 03, 2019, 07:13:54 am
Hm, I never knew about that. I used it briefly in 2010, before I found Peppermint. It was love at first sight with Peppermint, so the rest is history.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 03, 2019, 08:53:21 am
Like most things in the press this is probably being overblown. if you go looking for things to support your position you can find them for anything.

All I take from this is

a) Big projects find change difficult because they're tied to current user expectations, and people don't like change.

b) When you spend a cycle doing something that's necessary (such as improvements to the underlying code) rather than revolutionary (immediately visible to users), people call you 'boring'.

c) The press actively seek negativity and are willing to misrepresent it via 'opinion pieces' .. sadly positivity doesn't seem to garner as many clicks (and hence self promotion and advertising revenue).

d) Developers are human too .. slag them off when they do what they do FOR THE COMMUNITY, for free, and for the love of it, and don't be surprised when they 'feel' that negativity.

Seriously, I don't put much store in this opinion piece .. Mint devs will ALWAYS have my support, they've contributed a LOT to Linux/FOSS and by extension Peppermint and our community.

What is it about the Linux 'press' of late ? .. where's the positivity, including developer support and thanks ? .. is Linux success drawing in negative types and the 'press' pandering to that negativity as clickbait ?
(thankfully the comments section of that 'article' is pretty developer supportive .. so negativity is probably not a general community held sentiment)

I've said it before, in a lot of ways I'm glad we're small, we haven't 100th the pressure the bigger distros have to change without changing, and being slagged off no matter what they do .. luckily we tend to generally get positivity from our community, but I'm guessing it's just a numbers game rather than anything we're doing differently.

[EDIT]

We should start a "Hug a dev day" to show our appreciation :)
(I doubt they'll thank me for that)

Oh, and for those that may try to spin this negatively .. I'm not a developer, I'm just a 'pull it all together' distro builder who respects developers and understands non of this would be possible without them.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on April 03, 2019, 03:15:12 pm
Like most things in the press this is probably being overblown.

For sure. I'm a 4th generation newspaper guy, in the real world, so I know how the game's played.

Fagioli is a shiz stirrer. Witness an article of his, from three weeks ago:


GNOME 3.32 'Taipei' is finally here! The best Linux desktop environment gets even better (https://betanews.com/2019/03/13/gnome-332-taipei-linux/)

Quote from: Brian Fagioli - BetaNews on 13 Mar 2019
Whether or not a desktop environment is "best" is subjective. In other words, not all people prefer the same DE. Some folks like GNOME, others are KDE Plasma fans, and some Linux users choose something else. With that said, GNOME is the best. It is not debatable -- please accept this fact. GNOME simply offers the most sensical user interface while also being beautiful.

Bwahahahahahaha! Fagioli is obviously throwing a firecracker on the ant hill, with that declaration  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: rayzer on April 05, 2019, 10:35:41 am
my problem with mint is that theres so much done for you initially that it removes all the fun of setting up a distro, that and the desktop layout, theme etc doesnt change a whole lot. its a boring distro if you  like to tweak stuff
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 05, 2019, 04:52:42 pm
A lot would see that as a  positive :)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: scifidude79 on April 05, 2019, 05:57:39 pm
They're one of various distros where I had issue with the number of preinstalled packages. But, that can be taken care of. It's just more to do after installation. That's one thing that's always attracted me to Peppermint, minimal installed software by default.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: JosephM on April 11, 2019, 05:02:36 am
I can tell you that article is definitely a bit overblown. Little things happen every cycle that effect what gets done. A lot of them just seemed to line up and happen all at once this time around. When you have a large project with lots of people involved these things are going to happen on occasion.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: rayzer on April 11, 2019, 09:51:46 am
been playing around with mint cinnamon the last few days, its gotten a much needed facelift and looks much better now. some software choices are a bit weird i think but overall i like it, not sure if i prefer it or the mate edition
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 12, 2019, 08:45:42 am
Mint is a great distro (hence why we steal use a lot of their components), even better now I gather they've gotten rid of the update 'levels' (which was the only thing I didn't really like), or am I wrong about that ?
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: JosephM on April 12, 2019, 12:32:54 pm
They were hidden away in the last release. They will be gone completely in this one.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 12, 2019, 01:04:01 pm
Good call .. I never did like those, even though I kinda 'got' it.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 06, 2019, 04:15:07 pm
Mint is a great distro (hence why we steal use a lot of their components), even better now I gather they've gotten rid of the update 'levels' (which was the only thing I didn't really like), or am I wrong about that ?

Linux Mint, has always been good to me, as I had it installed on a 640GB external hard drive and took it with me where ever there was a computer, I could get my very large hands on. The only gripes I had with Mint, was the software was not up to date and I agree the update manager, a lot of paranoia, of their OS breaking. In the end I got fed up with everything being green, as I do with Ubuntu Mate and yes I get it, with Mint you associate the colour green, but a lot of people like the colour green and that's their choice, but even Ubuntu Mate has green and that had more software, back then than Mint did. I changed the colour green to Blue, even found some Ambient-Blue-Icons, which someone had rewritten the whole lot, pixel by pixel in GIMP. Because I was using The Mate version of Mint, I wondered if the Ubuntu Mate themes would work and they did, right out of the bag.

I originally loved Ubuntu Mate and before that Mint, but was not that keen in my Mint days of dark themes, Ubuntu Mate came along and although, to begin with it only had Ambient-MATE, in later releases, with the help of Linux& Other Stuff, who made a darker theme for Ubuntu Mate. I of course had to change the colour of it, to a nice blue, (the selection colour that is) though the Welcome and Software Boutique has green written into it's DNA and cannot be changed. I asked if there was any way that Ambient-Mate theme could maybe have different colour options? Ambient-MATE Blue, Ambient-MATE Red. But got no answer. So for a while I flipped between Mint Mate and Ubuntu Mate. I still like them both, but once I saw what Peppermint had to offer, I was hooked and back then it was Peppermint 7 that caught my eye, then 8, now of course 9 respin2.  I thank English Bob, for introducing me to Peppermint, I have never looked back. I still have a look at other Distros, but install them on my spare hard drive, use them for a few days, but  spend the majority of my time here on the Pep, cause no matter what other Distro I look at, The Pep is always on my mind and will never go away.  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: perknh on May 06, 2019, 05:15:19 pm
..back then it was Peppermint 7 that caught my eye, then 8, now of course 9 respin2.

Peppermint 6 as well as the first rendition of Peppermint 7 were aesthetic masterpieces.  I can understand why Peppermint 7 caught your eye, clatterfordslim.  It certainly caught mine too.

These days I'm gaga over our selection of wallpapers from Ray Bilcliff.   His images are spectacular, and I've become a serious fan of his work. ;)

As for Mint, I like its Dragonfly wallpaper which has the LM as its head.  I find that image interesting.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on May 06, 2019, 06:20:34 pm
..back then it was Peppermint 7 that caught my eye, then 8, now of course 9 respin2.

Peppermint 6 as well as the first rendition of Peppermint 7 were aesthetic masterpieces.  I can understand why Peppermint 7 caught your eye, clatterfordslim.  It certainly caught mine too.

I'm on Peppermint 7, as I type...

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╭─vindsl@Chi-You ~ 
╰─$ inxi -Fxxxz
System:    Host: Chi-You Kernel: 5.0.0-13-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 8.3.0)
           Desktop: N/A info: xfce4-panel dm: lightdm Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: Dell (portable) product: Latitude E6430 v: 01
           Mobo: Dell model: N/A Bios: Dell v: A23 date: 11/30/2018
           Chassis: type: 9
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i7-3540M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 11960
           clock speeds: min/max: 1200/3700 MHz 1: 1653 MHz 2: 1575 MHz
           3: 1630 MHz 4: 1580 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0166
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.01hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.3.3 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:1e20
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k5.0.0-13-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (Lewisville)
           driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: f080
           bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:1502
           IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Wireless 7260
           driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:08b1
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 570.1GB (4.5% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB serial: S2R5NB0HB27540R
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: Hitachi_HTS72323 size: 320.1GB serial: 081006FC1400NEG6P7JD
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 5.6G (30%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-2: /home size: 59G used: 18G (32%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 0.54GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda8
RAID:      System: supported: N/A
           No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
           Unused Devices: none
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 57.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 193 Uptime: 1:47 Memory: 1218.0/7877.2MB
           Init: systemd v: 229 runlevel: 5 default: 2 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (zsh 5.1.1 running in x-terminal-emul) inxi: 2.2.35
╭─vindsl@Chi-You ~ 
╰─$
[close]

Talk about being depressing experiences...

Man, I can't wait to get back home, to my family. I haven't even had time to check my email, in days. I see why they don't let people open the windows in these hotels.  8)

Got a 'red eye' in the morning. God willing, and the creek don't rise, I'll be back in Arizona, at least. I've been turning the thermostats up to 80F, to keep my azz from 'freezing'.

Poor me, right? But, I digress. Just felt like typing to a friendly crowd, I guess.

Ignore the above. It's therapeutic for me, that's all.

Okay, back at it. Carry on...
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: scifidude79 on May 06, 2019, 07:08:31 pm
80F? ??? People around these parts complain about a thermostat set that high. It's interesting how your definition of "comfortable" not only varies by person, but also by where you're from. I'll be any temperature outside under 100F isn't even what you guys consider warm.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 06, 2019, 07:13:32 pm
And then there's us wet and miserable brits :(
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 07, 2019, 01:18:50 am
And then there's us wet and miserable brits :(

Yep I can concur, rain for the majority of this week, I think we had our Summer at Easter Mark?  :(
Just hope that my new build parts get here on Friday, as it's going to be a windy week. The boats to the Island don't like too much wind, so they stop them, health and safety first.  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 07, 2019, 04:03:51 am
Ouch, that's not something I'd considered before slim, and I bet is a pain.

Still there'll be no offshore wind soon, it'll all be collected .. though the boats are gonna need to do some dodging :)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on May 07, 2019, 05:42:32 am
Heh, guess my alarm werx. It's 2:15 AM here in Vegas.

I'm still getting used to this phone, so I chose a 'Rooster Alarm' device tone, and set the alarm times for every 15 minutes, starting @ 2:00 AM. LoL

Looks like Chris is back (or is he?)  :)

I'm a desert rat. I prefer 90-100F outdoors and 80ish indoors. After 100F, the heat is on.  105F and above is deadly (for Caucasians) so one needs to seek shelter. The clock is ticking, so to speak. You know when you're in trouble when you stop sweating.  ::)

Guess I better get with it. I got a ride coming. BBL
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: Slim.Fatz on May 07, 2019, 11:10:43 am
Hi VinDSL,

I know what you mean about temps over 105 F: several years ago I was doing a five day hike in AZ and on the last day the temp got up to 109 F (42.8 C) !!  :o   Fortunately, we were hiking along a little stream (that actually had water in it -- for those not acquainted with AZ, streams often do not have any water in them) and every 20-30 minutes we would take off out backpacks and lay down on our backs in the stream for several minutes, then get up and continue the hike. It worked really well !!  ;D

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on May 07, 2019, 07:23:52 pm
Well, when you think about... normal human body temp is 100 F, give or take. I tend to run a degree lower - others a degree higher. That's normal.

I studied the US Navy Dive Tables, back when I was into SCUBA diving. The 'perfect' ambient temperatures (if you will) for humans is 88 F in air, and 92 F in water. Without turning this into a 'white paper', they determined that by how long divers could maintain their body temp (98.6 F) sitting naked for 24 hours, at rest, in air and in water. At 88 F in air, and 92 F in water, one can maintain their normal body temperature indefinitely.

My take away, having lived in Arizona my whole life is, 105 F is the breaking point. The closer one gets to 105 in air, the more uncomfortable one will become. However, 105 F and above, given enough time, WILL kill you - guaranteed.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on May 07, 2019, 07:43:02 pm
Hi VinDSL,

I know what you mean about temps over 105 F: several years ago I was doing a five day hike in AZ and on the last day the temp got up to 109 F (42.8 C) !!  :o   Fortunately, we were hiking along a little stream (that actually had water in it -- for those not acquainted with AZ, streams often do not have any water in them) and every 20-30 minutes we would take off out backpacks and lay down on our backs in the stream for several minutes, then get up and continue the hike. It worked really well !!  ;D

I've done that many, many times, my friend. And, I have a little story to tell you  ;D

A friend and I were riding our Trials Bikes (http://www.trialmaguk.com/sherco-2016/) in a deep canyon (Cave Creek Canyon, below Seven Springs, actually) in the middle of summer, and the heat was so stifling, we did as you described above.

I actually found a little 'water fall' about 5 feet wide, and a couple of feet tall, with a tiny, body-sized pool below it. I was soooo hot, I stripped down to my underwear and laid under it with only my nose and mouth above water. It was great, and I thought, "Man, this is the life. I could lay here forever."

When I sat up, I was cover with 100s of leeches.  :o

OMG! My friend had to spend about a half-hour pulling them off of me, with a pocket comb.

It was one of the most humiliating experiences in my entire lifetime. LoL!
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: MNFrozenfish on May 08, 2019, 10:39:37 am

I'm a desert rat. I prefer 90-100F outdoors and 80ish indoors. After 100F, the heat is on.  105F and above is deadly (for Caucasians) so one needs to seek shelter. The clock is ticking, so to speak. You know when you're in trouble when you stop sweating.  ::)


I'm thinking you should stay away from Minnesota then, we may see 32F (0C) again by the weekend, maybe a snow flake or 2 as well.  :o ::)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 08, 2019, 10:54:24 am
Plenty of snowflakes over here too .. oh sorry, I see what you mean ;)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: MNFrozenfish on May 08, 2019, 10:59:40 am
Plenty of snowflakes over here too .. oh sorry, I see what you mean ;)

 :D ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 08, 2019, 05:47:21 pm
Ouch, that's not something I'd considered before slim, and I bet is a pain.

Still there'll be no offshore wind soon, it'll all be collected .. though the boats are gonna need to do some dodging :)

My Corsair computer case arrived unscathed today, surprised the boats never stopped, with all that wind?
Ram, PSU, Noctua Processor cooler, is all coming by Friday. I have this weekend off work, so be building it then. ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: Fritz74 on May 12, 2019, 12:34:47 pm
Came to read about Clem being depressed, stayed to read about life in alien parts of the USA. ;)

Mint is the distro I recommend to people who want to give Linux a try because all you need is already installed and there is a big community. Peppermint is what I am using myself because it feels a tiny bit faster. Also, there is the possibility to change the size of items on the desktop at will, which I find very convenient.

A little bit off topic: In Feng Shui, the color Green stands for growth. It is said to be great for websites and Linux distributions (Manjaro is green too).
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: VinDSL on May 12, 2019, 01:17:14 pm
A little bit off topic: In Feng Shui, the color Green stands for growth. It is said to be great for websites and Linux distributions (Manjaro is green too).

0.o

There's that 'G' word, again.

Here we go (grabs popcorn)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: perknh on May 12, 2019, 01:17:45 pm
Mint is the distro I recommend to people who want to give Linux a try because all you need is already installed and there is a big community.

To me, of all the distributions I've seen, Linux Mint Cinnamon edition is the one most similar in appearance to Windows 7.  And, like you say, it's got just about everything already preinstalled.   I've recommended it too at times for newbies who are a little afraid in the beginning of making the switch.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: Fritz74 on May 12, 2019, 02:22:01 pm
There is one depressing thing about Mint that has not been mentioned yet: Their logo is suboptimal.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 12, 2019, 03:12:43 pm
Wassup with their logo ?

And do you mean their old one, or the new one ?
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: Fritz74 on May 12, 2019, 03:24:58 pm
It is too detailed and the details are without meaning. Luckily they are getting a new one:
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/03/linux-mint-is-working-on-a-new-logo
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 12, 2019, 03:36:35 pm
Well ours isn't brilliant at 16x16 (favicon size), but it is what it is .. not gonna change it just to sharpen a favicon nobody really cares about :)

That said, if Mint want a branding refresh, good luck to them .. everyone does it at some point :)
(wonder how long till we change again :)))
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 13, 2019, 05:24:50 am
Yeah but why green? Of all the colours of the rainbow, somebody somewhere chose green, to have in their Linux Distro. I wonder if they asked Paul the Octopus, to pick a colour, or at least to make a prediction, of what the colours of different Linux OSES were to be. :))
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 13, 2019, 05:58:17 am
It is too detailed and the details are without meaning. Luckily they are getting a new one:
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/03/linux-mint-is-working-on-a-new-logo




Hmm I prefer the white lettering on a dark background. Whenever I had installed the XFCE version, especially in the new 18.04  Linux Mint. I always pick that particular one from pixmaps folder. Just because mint is associated with green, it does not have to be. So glad that Linux Mint finally had gotten different coloured, styled logos, in their OS. Maybe adding these, to give users more choice? Or to maybe leave it to the users to decide?

This one is actually in pixmaps folder in 18.04.1 version of Mint.  ;D
https://www.opendesktop.org/p/1192589/


Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 13, 2019, 07:10:36 am
Yeah I'm not a big fan of green either, though it's said to be quite calming .. but artwork is ALWAYS subjective, and oddly can be WAY more emotive than it has any right to be :-\

Thinking about it .. I wonder if  people with red/green colour blindness have trouble telling us apart ? :)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 13, 2019, 11:50:58 am
Yeah I'm not a big fan of green either, though it's said to be quite calming .. but artwork is ALWAYS subjective, and oddly can be WAY more emotive than it has any right to be :-\

Thinking about it .. I wonder if  people with red/green colour blindness have trouble telling us apart ? :)


I find green too in your face, with some Linux Distros. I'm coloured blind apparently, as would of loved to of been a electrician. I just found the path not to be there, in those colour blindness books. I could only see yellows, blues, but oranges which were actually known as red, but were orange to me. The red you have for Peppermint, I know and can see it as red. The amount of colours out there now, especially cars, with their different coloured tones in certain light, they change colour and to name these colours is a total different kettle of fish?  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: Fritz74 on May 13, 2019, 11:56:28 am
Maybe the Mint devs are unhappy because it's not easy being green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ-IxZ46ng

And aesthetics are of course subjective. In my opinion, logos should represent something. Like an apple, or a window, or a rodent or one of those sweets, they are selling at amusement parks.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: perknh on May 13, 2019, 12:33:56 pm
Good one!  You hit that one out of the park, Fritz74. ;D

I wonder if all this chatter could be sending people who had left Ubuntu to Mint back to Ubuntu again.  Firstly, Ubuntu is not green -- it's purple, and, secondly, Ubuntu seems to be getting better and better again as if it's catching a second wind after moving back to GNOME.  Just wondering... :-\

I also know that there are those who have used Mint who have migrated to Peppermint too, or who now use both Mint and Peppermint concurrently.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 13, 2019, 02:01:26 pm
Mint  and/or MX would be my next choice (after Peppermint) .. both of which have my support, admiration, and respect.

But the green/blue would have to go .. just a personal preference thing :)

Green bugs me on pretty much anything outside nature, and grey/blue UI's just bore the crap outa me.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: perknh on May 13, 2019, 02:32:02 pm
I have to admit, though, that Ubuntu GNOME is more user-friendly than Ubuntu Unity.  And between GNOME and Cinnamon, I don't know, but at least for me, GNOME is easier to get around than Cinnamon.  I don't really find Cinnamon's menu, or especially its panel, all that user-friendly regarding customization.  That said, Cinnamon is visually appealing if one's going for a Windows-like appearance.  Also its desklet clock is pretty darn impressive.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: Fritz74 on May 13, 2019, 04:34:09 pm
Many people seem to love Gnome. I tried it some years ago and it felt alien to me. I am happy with everything that looks and behaves like the panel in Windows 7.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 14, 2019, 12:37:44 am
Mint  and/or MX would be my next choice (after Peppermint) .. both of which have my support, admiration, and respect.

But the green/blue would have to go .. just a personal preference thing :)

Green bugs me on pretty much anything outside nature, and grey/blue UI's just bore the crap outa me.


Yes MX is my 2nd distro of choice, as Run-With-The-Dolphin has made pure Debian so easy to use. Like EB says install it, update it, install what you need, then leave it the hell alone to do it's thing.  ;D Same can be said for any distro.
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: pin on May 14, 2019, 01:58:37 am
... Like EB says install it, update it, install what you need, then leave it the hell alone to do it's thing.  ;D Same can be said for any distro.

I'm sorry to say, but this is so not true  ;)
I guess you're refering to Debian/Ubuntu derived distros, or is this also your experience with other bases?!
Even Debian based distros can be unstable, but I wouldn't know much about it... Peppermint is the only Debian/Ubuntu based distro I've ever used  ::)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 14, 2019, 08:07:38 am

I'm sorry to say, but this is so not true  ;)
I guess you're refering to Debian/Ubuntu derived distros, or is this also your experience with other bases?!
Even Debian based distros can be unstable, but I wouldn't know much about it... Peppermint is the only Debian/Ubuntu based distro I've ever used  ::)


In my experience with MX Linux I should of been more clearer on what I was trying to say, MX Linux is derived from Debian, the Stable branch not Ubuntu based Debian, but Debian Stable alone and Run With The Dolphin and his team, have made it so virtually anyone can use it. Also it comes with an ISO backup built in, so you can save all your settings and your home folder into an ISO to maybe install onto other computers, or even re distribute it to your friends and family.
https://mxlinux.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_Linux  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 14, 2019, 08:26:12 am
I think it was the last sentence pin objected to slim
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Same can be said for any distro.
which isn't always true .. not all distros are as stable and easy to use as MX .. in fact IIRC someone once built a distro that INTENTIONALLY broke itself as a training exercise :) .. there are also distros that are INTENTIONALLY insecure for the same reason (penetration testing training).
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 14, 2019, 08:57:58 am
What I meant was the stable ones, not the stupid ones, that you have to configure, or recompile to get the actual OS to either boot, or do anything. I can't remember what Distro it was, but had to literally recompile the update manager and that was a learning experience, cause the instructions that were given, did not work and in the words of Zeb I too went next.  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: pin on May 14, 2019, 11:01:45 am
Just because something is unstable, doesn't make it stupid.
I could go on about this for a looong time, but let me stick to just two examples.

Case 1 - My user case  :)
I prefer to use AwesomeWM, just AwesomeWM and build my system around it. So, I need a base to build it upon if I don't want to use LFS  ;)

Case 2 - The general user case
The stable distro/software you're using is stable because others before you used it and reported bugs and issues.

So, not so stupid.
This, https://qntm.org/suicide is stupid  :)
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: perknh on May 14, 2019, 11:28:59 am
Now that's insanity! :o
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: rayzer on May 14, 2019, 02:51:38 pm
i now have mint cinnamon on a usb in case i need to fix systems and also have bodhi and pep to mess about with when i get bored of debian. all good distros in their own ways..
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 14, 2019, 03:26:03 pm
Now that's insanity! :o

Yeah weird what people get up to, in the Linux world. Would anyone really install it I wonder? I saw a video on how to destroy Windows, actually seeing it eat itself. I'll try and find it, as it was rather amusing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBvPBBgrwRM :))
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: pin on May 14, 2019, 05:20:42 pm
Don't know if its true... but, I read it was some sort of competition to see who would run it for the longest period of time without blowing their system  :D

WHY  :o

Well, at least one could use a virtual machine  :D
Title: Re: Linux Mint 19.2 'Tina' is on the way, but the devs seem defeated and depressed
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 14, 2019, 05:38:09 pm
People are weird .. I thought Linux people were the exception ???