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Title: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 04, 2018, 09:58:25 am
This rumor is not confirmed yet, but interesting read(s) ...

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Microsoft is throwing in the towel with Edge and is building a new web browser for Windows 10, this time powered by Chromium.

LINK: https://goo.gl/Tjs9U8 (Winders Central - 3 Dec 2018)

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The world of web renderers could be down a significant member should Microsoft can its EdgeHTML renderer.

LINK: https://goo.gl/VJw9mD (ZDNet - 4 Dec 2018)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: scifidude79 on December 04, 2018, 10:20:59 am
I'm sure both Edge users are going to be bummed by this news. :P

Interesting news, though it doesn't affect me personally. The only time Edge even launches on my Win10 install is when, for some stupid reason, the system decides to try and open something in it, rather than Firefox, which is my default.
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: pin on December 04, 2018, 03:17:43 pm
Just one more reason to stick with Firefox  ;D
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 04, 2018, 06:16:14 pm
IIRC that's gonna require a Cortana redesign.
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 04, 2018, 06:22:52 pm
Funny that they're still arguing about browsers, after all these years.

Remember, back in the day, when sites would block you, if you weren't running Netscape?
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: scifidude79 on December 04, 2018, 08:09:06 pm
Hell, I remember when you couldn't do certain things if you weren't running IE, FF or Chrome in Windows or a select group of browsers in OSX.  I don't know if that's changed. I'd imagine it has, with the rise of Android.
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PeppermintFan on December 04, 2018, 10:08:19 pm
Does that mean I should stop trying to get Edge to work on my Peppermint OS?  Hmmm......
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 04, 2018, 10:48:28 pm
If you read between the lines...

It's a WebKit-centric world out there, and you need look no further than Google to see how second-class browsers are relegated to inferior versions of pages.

Edge and Firefox are in the same boat, in this respect.

From the second article (above):

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The mobile web is dominated by Chrome and Safari to such an extent that Firefox is still not served up a full-featured Google search page, and Firefox users get an inferior version that does not have the tools bar that allow users to narrow searches down by date.

"We are focused on providing a great experience for search across browsers, and continue to work to improve this for all users," a Google spokesperson told ZDNet in July.

"Firefox uses the Gecko engine, which requires us to do extensive testing on all of our features to ensure compatibility, as it's different from WebKit (which is used by Chrome, Safari, UC, Opera). We've done this for Firefox desktop, but have not done the same level of testing for mobile."

Firefox is said to only hold a 5 percent share of mobile web usage, and anecdotally, there are plenty of pages on the web where you can tell the designer and programmer have failed to open the page in anything other than Safari or Chrome on their Mac.

While the desktop might appear to be different, it suffers from the same problem of the Blink/WebKit monoculture: If Chrome and Safari decide to do something, Mozilla and Microsoft need to follow to maintain compatibility.

Make sense now?  :)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: pin on December 05, 2018, 12:24:25 am
What's writen in that quote isn't true.
Unfortnately and ironically, misinformation is more comon then ever these days.
Google holds the "truth" and critical thinking is a dying feature.

I run Firefox on my mobile also and I can sort google searches by date.

The way things are handled are reminiscent of modern dictatorships... no need to use force, or make people feel oppressed. Just make everybody happy and fead them with your truth!
Actually, we're all living in the Matrix... just pick your pill.
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 05, 2018, 12:44:15 am
Fake news, maybe?
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: pin on December 05, 2018, 01:01:03 am
 :D
Wouldn't call it "fake"... just outdated.

It's scary what one can do by just "twisting" the truth a bit  :o
Anyway, the red pill or the blue pill?
 :D
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 05, 2018, 09:51:41 am
It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose.

It's like... you and I are sitting in cars at opposite sides of an intersection and we witness an accident. You saw the red-light runner come from the left. I saw them come from the right. Which one is correct?

Or, take the time of day. At this very moment - as I type - it's all times of the day and night - today, tomorrow or, yesterday -  and I might add, all seasons of the year - all at the same time. Which perspective is right?

Throwing blue-sky thinking out the window (no pun intended) it's obvious which way the wind is blowing. MS has spent a lot of time and money on Edge. The UI is nice and it's not going away, but if they're planning on doing an 'engine swap' in midstream, that should be indicative of future trends. That's why I posted it here.

Who knows - maybe they will come up with a Linux version of Edge.  That seems to be where they're headed...  ;)

EDIT

BTW, I upgraded to 19H1 Build 18290, yesterday - half expected to see something mentioned in the notes - but, nothing was said.

Once again, the rumor/click-bait/fake news has not been confirmed yet.
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 05, 2018, 10:26:07 am
Does that mean I should stop trying to get Edge to work on my Peppermint OS?  Hmmm......

LOL :))
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 05, 2018, 10:33:44 am
If you read between the lines...

It's a WebKit-centric world out there, and you need look no further than Google to see how second-class browsers are relegated to inferior versions of pages.

Edge and Firefox are in the same boat, in this respect.

From the second article (above):

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The mobile web is dominated by Chrome and Safari to such an extent that Firefox is still not served up a full-featured Google search page, and Firefox users get an inferior version that does not have the tools bar that allow users to narrow searches down by date.

"We are focused on providing a great experience for search across browsers, and continue to work to improve this for all users," a Google spokesperson told ZDNet in July.

"Firefox uses the Gecko engine, which requires us to do extensive testing on all of our features to ensure compatibility, as it's different from WebKit (which is used by Chrome, Safari, UC, Opera). We've done this for Firefox desktop, but have not done the same level of testing for mobile."

Firefox is said to only hold a 5 percent share of mobile web usage, and anecdotally, there are plenty of pages on the web where you can tell the designer and programmer have failed to open the page in anything other than Safari or Chrome on their Mac.

While the desktop might appear to be different, it suffers from the same problem of the Blink/WebKit monoculture: If Chrome and Safari decide to do something, Mozilla and Microsoft need to follow to maintain compatibility.

Make sense now?  :)

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Remember, back in the day, when sites would block you, if you weren't running Netscape?

I remember the days when half the sites wouldn't work properly in anything but IE, because Microsoft were attempting to push modified proprietary web standards in an attempt to control the Intertoobs...

So what you're saying is that Google/Apple are 'doing a Microsoft' with webkit ?
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 05, 2018, 03:21:09 pm
So what you're saying is that Google/Apple are 'doing a Microsoft' with webkit ?

Yup, but I can't take credit. That's what the articles I've read are saying.

And, if Edge swaps engines, it will become the new IE6  :)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 05, 2018, 04:53:25 pm
So what you're saying is that Google/Apple are 'doing a Microsoft' with webkit ?

Yup .. [snip] .. And, if Edge swaps engines, it will become the new IE6  :)

Hence why I not only 'don't', but 'won't' use a webkit browser .. I'll continue to support Firefox's attempt to keep web standards more 'open' and universal.

[EDIT]

Plus it's just 'better' ;)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 05, 2018, 05:12:40 pm
Only thing I use Chromium for, these days, is my bots. Got three of them running in the background, as I type.

The code I use won't work on Fx, And, Opera crashes after a day or so.

Damn Chromium anyway  :P
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 05, 2018, 05:24:13 pm
Damn Google you mean (?) .. Apparently it's okay to be evil nowadays :))
https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 05, 2018, 05:59:10 pm
Apparently it's okay to be evil nowadays :))

We all know that. Hell, I made a career of it.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha  ;D
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: scifidude79 on December 05, 2018, 08:12:17 pm
Google has been evil for years, so this isn't news to us. ;)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 06, 2018, 10:27:31 am
So being evil is okay as long as you don't say "do no evil" in your terms of service ?

If that's the case, surely leaving it in the terms of service would be the "evil" thing to do .. and set up a paradox at the same time :)

[EDIT]

I think I just confused myself ???
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: spence on December 07, 2018, 02:22:17 pm
So being evil is okay as long as you don't say "do no evil" in your terms of service ?[EDIT]

I think I just confused myself ???

Choice of their motto was straight outta Orwell's 1984 anyways...  

 >:(
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: grafiksinc on December 10, 2018, 07:37:36 am
I will be sticking with PaleMoon...... Properly 8)

Although as for edge being a WebDev,,,,I welcome this as it  one less engine to render for.... ;)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 10, 2018, 08:51:42 am
Yup

It's confirmed now...  :)

https://goo.gl/a2QZH3  (Microsoft | winders Blog - 6 Dec 2018)

https://goo.gl/VQFm4P (Sophos | Naked Security - 10 Dec 2018)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: perknh on December 10, 2018, 08:55:18 am
This is an uphill battle for Firefox.  This pretty much means that there will be two rendering engines and two browsers (or their clones) that will be churning and bringing us the world's data in usable forms.  There will be Firefox and there will be Chrome.

Google pretty much has the search market cornered.  Google's DNS servers are all over the planet.  Google's Android phones are all over the planet too.  More than half the time our email is likely to end up on some Gmail server, and then there's Google Analytics from which it's absolutely impossible to escape. 

Yeah, it's Google's world now.  There's a Google World app, and Google has even mapped the world for us too!
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 10, 2018, 09:12:20 am
Yeah, it's Google's world now.  There's a Google World app, and Google has even mapped the world for us too!

Plus, Big G gives one directions on how to get there, provides an overview of the route, and estimates the travel time.  :)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 10, 2018, 09:23:34 am
In the words of former vice-president Joe Biden...

(http://rlv.zcache.com/joe_biden_on_health_care_reform_t_shirt-p235369309163939519ala6z_325.jpg)
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: perknh on December 10, 2018, 11:41:00 am
Yes, it most certainly is! ;D
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: perknh on December 18, 2018, 06:06:36 pm
Google isnít the company that we should have handed the Web over to
Analysis: Microsoft adopting Chromium puts the Web in a perilous place.

By Peter Bright for ars technica

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/the-web-now-belongs-to-google-and-that-should-worry-us-all/

In my opinion, this is a good analysis of why Firefox is in such tough spot right now.
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: VinDSL on December 18, 2018, 06:22:13 pm
Brave has been assimilated, too  ::)

Brave browser goes 'full-Chromium' by adopting Google UI
The release of Brave 0.57 earlier this month culminates a UI swap that began in March.

By Gregg Keizer - Senior Reporter, Computerworld | Dec 17, 2018

https://goo.gl/uejWsY

Do we see a trend here?
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: perknh on December 18, 2018, 07:06:33 pm
My fear is we've waken up to this too late.  I know I can't escape Google in my daily life, at least not in any meaningful way.  Oh, with my desktop browser, yes,but my Android phone screams Google from its top to its bottom -- and yet I don't feel any pull from Apple either.  Though I have nothing against it, Apple, for whatever reason, from its desktop to its iPhone, just leaves me flat.  Don't know why. :-\
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: scifidude79 on December 18, 2018, 07:38:56 pm
Google is the Microsoft of the 2010s. I thought everyone knew that. They're as committed to creating a web monopoly as Microsoft was to creating an OS monopoly in the 1990s and early 2000s. I remember when I first started with GMail. You had to be invited to it, and that involved a phone call to make sure you were human. It was a great alternative to spam laden services like Yahoo!. Now they let anyone in, because it lines their pockets even more. Then they started their shenanigans with their web search tracking everything. So, no, Google isn't the nice company they started out to be. They're trying to monopolize the web, which can never be a good thing. People realize this, that's why there's significant blow back from the wider community.

Though, I suspect if they're successful in any of their attempts, the Internet might actually get forked. Back in the day, there were various attempts to create something like the Internet, before the widely adopted version was born. There was more than one online network back then. There technically still are others, but they're not widely used. I could see going back to more than one widely used network if Google successfully monopolizes the current version. Then it will be a bigger pain to run a website, as you either limit yourself to only Google's web, the "other" version or you wind up trying to make your site work with both. Either way, nothing Google is trying to do can have good affects, if successful.
Title: Re: Microsoft reportedly looking to ditch Edge for Chromium
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 19, 2018, 11:12:27 am
Stupid prices aside but that affects Android phones too, I quite like the iPhone (well at least I 'prefer' it to Android), but then I have no need for anything outside their walled garden.

One thing's for sure, I feel more 'secure' on an iPhone (if not necessarily any more/less 'private').

Connectivity is obviously better on Android, but then I have little need for anything beyond transferring the odd pic, which I can do.

Like Linux V's Windows, I made my choice and don't miss things I don't have because I'm not concerning myself with that .. I just make the most of the platform I've chosen. It's like the Windows user telling me some AAA game isn't available on Linux, who cares, I only look for games that ARE .. why would I concern myself with what Linux DOESN'T have :-\
(I don't moan because it can't make great toast either .. I'm not looking at it as a toaster)

Do Windows users go hunting for Mac software that won't run in Windows .. of course they don't, why would they.
(except maybe for the odd idiot who just likes to moan)

[EDIT]

Ooops, slightly massively off topic there :-[