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Title: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 17, 2018, 02:19:15 pm
Been following this commit on Git: https://goo.gl/HEtDia

Quote
The Code of Conflict is not achieving its implicit goal of fostering
civility and the spirit of 'be excellent to each other'.  Explicit
guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects and other areas
of the kernel.

Here is a Code of Conduct statement for the wider kernel.  It is based
on the Contributor Covenant as described at www.contributor-covenant.org

From this point forward, we should abide by these rules in order to help
make the kernel community a welcoming environment to participate in.

Signed-off-by: Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
Signed-off-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Signed-off-by: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Signed-off-by: Olof Johansson <olof@lxom.net>
Signed-off-by: Steven Rostedt (VMware) <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>


Thought some of the other nerds, amongst us, might find it interesting. 


~ EDIT ~

Let's see if they practice the same tolerance what they preach ...  LoL  ;D


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL-Opera Snapshot_2018-09-17_115856_github.com.png)


Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 17, 2018, 03:19:10 pm
Has Linus Torvalds okayed this ?

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31    * Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks

Bwahahahaha!! .. I bet he trips in 10 minutes, and nVidia are just waiting for the fall :))

He's always bitching about the quality of commits, in fact that's the only time you ever hear from him .. the only way this is gonna work is if for some reason he looses his voice.

Talk about arming the enemy ::)

To be continued.....
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 17, 2018, 03:36:18 pm
Yup. You've crystallized my thoughts exactly. He's got that 'Viking' blood in him.

It's only a matter of time until he strips naked, paints his body blue, and comes out swinging his broadaxe.

He can only contain his rage for so long, on any given topic. Then, he'll be forever branded as a hypocrite  ::)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 17, 2018, 03:44:49 pm
This politically correct apologist bullshit to quieten the oh so easily outraged snowflakes does my friggin head in.

Take this forum for example, we won't have people being idiots towards each other, there's no need for a 'code of conduct'.

On second thoughts, here's our new 'rules of conduct'...

1) Don't be a prick.
1a) "prick" can be defined on the fly by forum staff.

2) Nobody will ever become forum staff who break rule 1.

3) Forum staff are exempt from rule 1 when subsequently dealing with anyone else who already broke rule 1


Kinda obvious innit.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 17, 2018, 03:50:44 pm
4) Pricking your finger is okay.  Fingering your prick isn't.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 17, 2018, 03:51:53 pm
Well yeah, but surely that's covered by rule 1

At least it would be if done publicly on this forum :o
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 17, 2018, 03:54:49 pm
My bad. I was distracted by my bot for a minute  :P
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 17, 2018, 04:10:00 pm
Sounds good.

BTW, just a fair warning... I'm the only normal person here.  ;)

4) Forum staff MUST have a good sense of humour.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 17, 2018, 04:59:52 pm
Hrm...

Linus Torvalds apologizes for years of being a jerk, takes time off to learn empathy (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/linus-torvalds-apologizes-for-years-of-being-a-jerk-takes-time-off-to-learn-empathy/)

Guess 'they' saw the inevitable, too:

Quote
Linux creator Linus Torvalds has apologized for years of rants, swearing, and general hostility directed at other Linux developers, saying he's going to take a temporary break from his role as maintainer of the open source kernel to learn how to behave better.

(Ars Technica - Peter Bright - 9/17/2018, 8:20 AM )
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 17, 2018, 05:51:03 pm
Yeah right .. ten minutes.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 20, 2018, 11:48:51 pm
CoC, SJWs, Politics....  :o

This is a kernel, a masterpiece of software.... should i consider it gone?
Would i be Linus, i would search me a new planet far far away from those SJWs (CoC-writer)  :'(

The world is very ill!

Edit: Adding two y2be-videos which are very explaining, they helped me to to find orientation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCnYU7BnD5c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rzjPiTZUik

i must say a big thank you to the both creators.

i must state that i can not agree to this new Code of conduct! that being said, it results in the fact that i can not produce / create / keep nor install anything which is based on this new CoC!

i for myself will fire up some sort of exit strategy - i do not want to have anything to do with those SJWs, who have caused this disaster and are gone way too far now (and will burn in hell for that!), and it is also clear that someone on the software market (Google?! Microsoft?! Apple?) gets a lot of money these days, while Linux is in bad weather / stormy sea, each percent it looses on market, means big bags of money for the competitors / rivals, i do not want that my PC, OS and my personal and creative project became victims of those market competitions nor political interest, open source has to stay free from political and sexual agendas and business / market competition! Actual we have open sauce :P

i will leave peppermint ASAP, it's XFCE/LXDE not Cinnamon nor Mate, its my sign of respect, to let this nice distro be as it is, but it doesn't match my needs, and i have not the room and time to keep a distro on HDD which i do not use.

i will step back to older Linux-Distros around 16.04. (LTS) and kernels before 4.18 (without NSA adds) to setup some sort of clean and trustworthy buffer until March 2021

in the meantime i will work on outdated versions which can handle the software which i want/need to use and will search for OS alternatives with out politics, SJWs and transgenderism, maybe in 2021 then 16.04. reaches the EoL the World will look very different i.e. SJWs rule the world and each natural born gender is hunted because they are not synthetics / transmuted! (Attention Sarcasm! and sorry for the rough language i'm really pi...ed!) Bye!
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 24, 2018, 07:41:36 am
Famous last words?

Linux Developers threaten to pull the "Kill switch"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA

as foreseen by Yvonne Hofstetter several years ago, "we should restart the whole internet"

just as an example (ger.)  (cant find the video with the real quote)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyiJ8GcYeUo

... if  (hopefully this will not happen) those devs trigger the "kill switch", immediatelly are we in the biggest crisis the world has ever faced
and those SJWs who have caused this are the most hated people on the planet, and if really everthing is connected, they will face the ultimate
response from the humanity.

Mirror your package-trees offline, and ... hm ... survive ;) 
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 24, 2018, 08:00:15 am
Developers can of course pull their time and effort from the kernel. They have always had that option.

They cannot, however, pull their code as it is OPEN source, the minute they submit that code to the Kernel they no longer "own" it.  As soon as they pull their work - someone can put it back.

Now this will be a pain but there is no "Kill" switch as I understand it.

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 24, 2018, 08:13:52 am
I think you'll find the Linux kernel can and does contain proprietary modules that Linus and kernel.org don't own the rights to.
https://lwn.net/Articles/13398/

But seriously, nobody's gonna pull their code .. and certainly nothing that couldn't be 'clean-room' rewritten if it were a necessary part of the kernel (which it likely isn't anyway).

This is currently just a storm in a teacup, and people bitching about the politics/defending Linus when he doesn't actually need it.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 24, 2018, 08:18:42 am
Thanks for the clarification   :)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: scifidude79 on September 24, 2018, 08:39:21 am
They act like there's a plug to pull. There's not. It's funny the crap people with delusions of grandeur come up with. Even if a programmer pulls his/her code, another will step in with more code. (as Zeb said) That's how it goes with open source.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 24, 2018, 02:05:02 pm
Haven't got time to watch videos right now, but when I see the word 'pull', I wonder if ppl know what 'pull' means in Linuxland (https://help.github.com/articles/about-pull-requests/).  :)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 24, 2018, 02:13:10 pm
BTW, for shiggles, I signed this last night (https://www.change.org/p/repeal-the-linux-foundation-s-code-of-conduct).

There were approximately 600 supporters, at the time...  ;)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 24, 2018, 02:57:34 pm
BTW, for shiggles, I signed this last night (https://www.change.org/p/repeal-the-linux-foundation-s-code-of-conduct).

There were approximately 600 supporters, at the time...  ;)

Thanks for the link, signed. But i am very sure that this will not help, it is something bigger behind this all, imagine a tower of babylon and a similiar Babylonian language chaos, also in thoughts, beliefs and convictions, my best guess is that we will facing the fact the globalism is a fail because it is not our nature. BTW those SIWs do not stop... are they part of the #walkaway-movement? (a question beside of that)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkKGgX48D9w

@ Zeb

i'd like to think what you say, but life has teached me, it will always come different and worse. :( Look, we ... humans always hope the best, but this thing is really huge, with unpredictable consequences, no one can tell me what the future brings after this disaster / rolling stone which causes an avalanche, linux means billions of users, thousends of businesses, the whole internet is based on Linux (servers, blockchain, cryptocurrencies, energy companies, Departments of many countries and so on).

@ PCNetSpec

according to those Flat-earthers, a storm in the teacup defines as a massive disaster ;)  would be good if you are right, but i don't think so, also do not forget, in such times rules are meaning not much to humans, if you loose your surroundings by SJWs, you will do the unpredictable to stay save... remind #itsonlyimpossibleuntilitsdone (Quote: Nitrux - Nomad main theme wallpaper) we believe that it is impossible to remove code from the kernel... the future will show if we are right.

PS: it looks like the film "Idiocrazy" becomes reality  :P
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: VinDSL on September 24, 2018, 04:59:46 pm
Thanks for the link, signed. But i am very sure that this will not help, it is something bigger behind this all, imagine a tower of babylon and a similiar Babylonian language chaos, also in thoughts, beliefs and convictions, my best guess is that we will facing the fact the globalism is a fail because it is not our nature. BTW those SIWs do not stop... are they part of the #walkaway-movement? (a question beside of that)

We'll probably end up with 3 internets.

They're already saying we can expect 2 internets (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/eric-schmidt-ex-google-ceo-predicts-internet-split-china.html)

I'm predicting a 3rd internet AKA Dark web (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web) will become more mainstream.

We'll see...  8)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 24, 2018, 07:11:34 pm
was not there a 4th internet in the planning - via satellites - only sending to users, like a tv-program but files + infos, IIRC two or three years ago?

at least we have an analog life, there SJWs can not really exist (thats why they are whining), they NEED the Internet to spit their poison all over the world, in the midst of our living rooms
anyway they have not all cups in the shelf, not all planks on the wooden fence, there might burn a light somewhere but at home is nobody... cheaters they are ... exploiters ... bug-users  8)

Maybe we'll see .... also the true source of this attack against open source ... maybe its an hostile acquisition from some members of the Linux-Foundation ... to take over this huge market

I wish you peace
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 24, 2018, 08:01:00 pm
we believe that it is impossible to remove code from the kernel... the future will show if we are right.

Oh as I understand it, it's certainly possible to pull contributions from the Linux kernel .. code contributions do not entail turning over your copyrights.

All a contributor is agreeing to is that they give permission for their contribution (which are automatically copyrighted to the author) to be distributed as part of the kernel, and can subsequently be copied and used.

There is NO stipulation in the GPL v2 that says that permission cannot be rescinded by the copyright holder.

The kernel has always been licensed under the GPL v2

The GPL v3 contains an anti-rescind clause where any contributor agrees that in submitting their code they agree that they cannot rescind these distribution rights.

I suspect that any lawyer would be able to build a case that because the anti-rescind clause was recognised as necessary in the GPL v3, that the kernels staying on GPL v2 allows copyright to be rescinded.

[EDIT]

IIRC the reason most often quoted for NOT moving the kernel to the GPL v3 was that it would entail having to get ALL past contributors to agree to this rescind clause (where they'd 'effectively' have to give up their copyrights)  .. something that was considered unfeasible simply because nobody has a list of everyone that submitted patches, so might cause more problems than it would solve.

[END EDIT]



That doesn't change my opinion that nobody is going to pull any submissions, certainly unless Linus sides with them .. in which case I think the kernel is in trouble anyway .. but Linus isn't going to kill his baby.

In all seriousness this DOES have the potential to be massively damaging, but I remain convinced that like everything else political surrounding Linux, the press will have a field day, there'll be a ton of speculation, lines will be drawn in the sand .. aaaaand it'll all blow over.

Personally I think Linus is playing a blinder .. just disappear for a bit, and watch the sh*tstorm that inevitably leads to everyone begging for his return .. he doesn't need to do or say anything, just go on holiday :)

The CoC is stupid and totally unnecessary .. the kernel was doing just fine without it .. what is it they say, "if it aint broke.....".
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 25, 2018, 08:11:08 am
[Previous post removed - in agreement with the author]

Please don't let this topic slip into personal attack on lifestyle choices .. that's not what this forum is for.

We all have our own personal stance on lifestyle choices, but as no 'stance' can be shown to be more valid than another, public discussions on this serve no purpose and nearly always degenerate into a pointless tribal slanging match.

Feel free to debate the political rights/wrongs of the CoC, and how it may affect Linux, but PLEASE try to keep it impersonal.

TIA :)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 25, 2018, 11:47:54 am
I agree its ok  8) (and i was very angry, sorry for that), but can we say that the new CoC is an attack on each ones own lifestyle*, spiced with very political interests (i guess there are also monetary interests), so that we can conclude that the CoC has to be free from any political direction / behaviour / conviction and as such it doesn't need this new (and stupid) one? *(linux is some sort of lifestyle too, an open-culture, if you want to call it so)  :-\

With the usage of the kernel (those ones which are newly generated under the rules of the new CoC, ver. 4.20 and higher, and there indeed code can be removed, beforehand) we must willingly / not willingly agree to this new CoC-Nonsense, or we can not use the new kernels? Am i right if i say i can not approve to this new CoC nor can i accept which consequences this new CoC would have to the contributors / developers, most of them are young and hotheaded (ger. unbeherrscht / sich nicht im Griff haben / schnell aus der Haut fahren / sehr emotional), so i can not use the new kernels and by that also the new linux-distros based on them, and installed Distros which are updating into the new 4.20+ kernels / linuxfirmwares?  :-\

@ VinDSL
I signed this last night (https://www.change.org/p/repeal-the-linux-foundation-s-code-of-conduct).

ca. 2200 actually have signed, and growing  :) btw. this are more then the people who have decided to implement the new CoC!

Added: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ0yt69tihc
Quote: Come together, find a day, and pull the switch, clean out the dead code! Quote End,

While i am watching and listen this i am agree, and i am scarified from huge amount of firmations / projects who are already on the new CoC and how long they are already there, to be honest with myself i cant use any of their software, because i dont want nor will agree to the new CoC! Time to blacklist all on the adopters list, at least back before the birth of this crap in 2014, before they have signed this pact with the devil, i.e. MyPaint an essential part of my workflow - deleted from my pc! Handbrake was in plan to row it in the workflow for video-production, never will i install this thing again! Atom - bye! and many many more... dammit i have to timeshift my pc back to 2014 to clean out this new CoC related stuff  :-[
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: pin on September 25, 2018, 01:25:34 pm
I'm trying to understand you here, I really am... and in a way I do, but...

At times like this, I'm really happy that I have a laptop running NetBSD. Last time, when microsoft bought github, I didn't...  :'(
I still use github... and I will until the day I feel it's enough.

Honestly, why exploding in anger? There are still alternatives...

Note, I'm not, in anyway, pushing you away from Linux. I'm just saying that if you feel the way you feel, maybe it's time to look around, make a move and be prepared to accept some issues.
I'm happy with NetBSD, it's a great system, but software availability is somewhat restricted.

I guess, you are very much aware of the alternatives...
just saying  ;)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 25, 2018, 02:18:30 pm
Yes pin you are right, we have alternatives, but how long did they last? NetBSD, yeah i have seen it / the logo in shell (screenshot).

you can take a look into OpenIndiana.org too, propably i will switch to it, because its save, but its a sacrifice project-wise, i do not know yet if Devuan (devuan.org) has joined that new CoC, but that's an option too, if they have not signed. TrueOS is FreeBSD based and by that a nogo, that's i have heard. Haiku is far away from being usable for production, i was a BeOS 5 user. As last option and by dropping my project for all time being, i can step back to Amithlon and AmigaOS3.9 - it has enough to hold up basic communication and office work, but in creativity its a blast back into the stone age.

The reason for my anger is, my project is MY Project, i want and will keep it free from any political statement. While setting up the workflow for the future, a damn long list of programs and tools, that i need, and the new base system i prefere is linux, and now after many weeks of work and testing the new kernel is CoC'ed, the way is blocked, i and my project can not grow into that direction :-[  and actually i consider they (devs of parts / programs in my workflow) have already signed to this CoC years ago, and i have supported this shit by using their CoC'ed programs. Its simply a mess, i'm intentended to take revenge for abusing my creative work to gain acceptance for their weird CoC, i feel myself abused!

From a different perspective - back in November '17 i must experience a raid0-crash (8 TB), win7-based, maybe it was an attack from outthere, but it costs me nearly 90% of my creative projects / support files / daybooks / documentations / notes / fotos... you name it, it was a stump directly into my face, and we here / my friends and i could not found any foolproof explanation why this happened, thats why i think it was/maybe an attack, not a virus! Comodo was protecting my system very trustworthy, maybe an active attack, i dont know... now i sit here with the rest of my files, and have to restart the whole project, thinking Linux is the best choice i could make... and ending up in this CoC-mess, i should throw this system out of my window ... too many occasions / coincidences ... maybe you can imagine how i feel myself, no progress with my creative project for now, i am loosing so much time...  :-\ What my project is? hmm, difficult to describe, and maybe the wrong place for it, just a thread (april 2017 - but attention the site lists the comments as newest first by default)

https://www.marvelousdesigner.com/community/forum/TheCommons/9802

 if you are interested

 and a pic if reading is not your case

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.md.web.upload/mdweb/20170507/64638655b3a44a4e915803e62dcc678e.jpg

anyway, thanks for your advice pin ;)
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: pin on September 25, 2018, 02:41:57 pm
I heard this from an Illumus fanatic... "illumus is dead"...
Also, I've seen it many times BSD is dying...
Your call...
There are new kids on the block, though... have you seen https://www.redox-os.org/ ?
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 25, 2018, 02:44:11 pm
Ehmm Gitlab based, Gitlab has signed the new CoC! but i take a look, their (redox-os) sources did not contain any new CoC related stuff! will it last, who knows?

btw dead is good, it will stay as it is (sarcasm). ;)
and we can, facing this CoC-situation, revive several alternative things, i guess that has something real good in it :)

beside of that, i should pack my bags now, because pepp 8 is no longer on my system, this forum is only for pepp-users
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 25, 2018, 04:05:36 pm
Am I missing something here ?

At least in the short term (at this point it's too early to say if it'll affect code quality) how does the new CoC affect you as an end user ? .. or are you a kernel developer ?

I personally think CoC's are unnecessary (and stupid when applied because of external political pressure), but I also couldn't care less if developers want to adopt one as long as I'm not one of them, and it doesn't affect code quality .. why should it bother me ?

If I went looking for something political to disagree with for everything I use .. I'd end up using nothing .. I doubt if there's a single company/product in the world where I couldn't find something to disagree with.

I'd agree that there needs to be a stand against uninterested third parties applying their world vision on everyone else .. but I'm not going to take that out on the Linux kernel .. surely that's playing into their hands.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 25, 2018, 05:04:45 pm
@ PCNetSpec

the code is already "infected" in many programs / projects it doesnt only comply to the kernel, since 2014, i write actual from my revived IRO-install which works fine here status Dez 2015 (file dates of the live cd) and this archived link from Nov 2015 (https://web.archive.org/web/20151109042035/http://contributor-covenant.org:80/adopters/) documents only a view adopters of the Code of Catastrophy, since then the mess is growing like cancer, look at the adopters list today, and you face heavy impacts in many side projects, i'm not a coder, but i want to compile an own kernel special for my machine, and i want to change some things if needed, so i'm somehow involved, anyway in this adopters list (actually), i see many well known names, which i had not on the radar... MyPaint was such a case, i have tested this program two years ago, and kept in reserve for my planned workflow, now i must recognize that this is CoC'ed aleady and even IROLinux cant hold it, because its from Dez 2015 there MyPaint has always adopted the CoC. But i'm optimistic that IROLinux is save enough for usage - its based on 15.10 the oldarchives are valid and usable, so i could maintain the system so far, IRO can hold most of my planned programs in workflow. I should mention it, that is all baremetal, no VBox, i have issues with the Raid, IRO does not recognize it, but i'm sure that i will find a solution.

i want to assure you, that i do not want to search for everything political to disagree with, i.e. to position myself / identify myself, but i want my project free from any political and i have work for years, so i must find myself a way to hold, cover the project and can create the things i have in the planning, maybe i will drop my actual machine and exchange it with the Dual-CPU intel Xeon Serverboard which sleeps in the cellar, it is absolut intact ...

and ehmm i have removed pepp, because you were absolut right, it is not build to hold a cinnamon-system, in other words i have lost a lot of peppiness (speed) and mintiness (stability), call me dumb, but i need cinnamon (at least) as GUI, so no pepp for me, sadly,  :'( even its a very good distro  :)

I dont want to play my project into their hands / under their juristiction, in my projects context (hmm a bit erotic) i would be the "Fressfest" for those SJWs, and this could not be allowed! So my system and workflow has to be as clean as possible. Its very difficult and complicated!

... and if those devs/coders really join, and find a day, and pull the switch, we have at least older abandoned OSes/Distros which are working, and i am await that they pull the switch, thats my opinion.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 25, 2018, 08:06:40 pm
I'm still at a loss as to how a code of conduct that kernel developers have decided to (or been forced to) adhere to would affect your project, if that project doesn't entail submitting code to the kernel ?

This CoC is not forward transferable .. just because your project may utilise the Linux kernel doesn't mean you too have signed up to the CoC.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: untrusted user on September 26, 2018, 06:53:07 am
I'm still at a loss as to how a code of conduct that kernel developers have decided to (or been forced to) adhere to would affect your project, if that project doesn't entail submitting code to the kernel ?

This CoC is not forward transferable .. just because your project may utilise the Linux kernel doesn't mean you too have signed up to the CoC.

i have written that not only the kernel is infected by this new CoC!

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[close]
the actual list of adopters of this pinkish pony-esk worlds most disastrous Code of Catastrophy.

Must i really explain that each user of programs / libraries which are produced under the rules of this CoC, is also supporting / accepting this CoC?

read, think, discover relations, conclude, decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCZHZqzCXUY

another explaining video.

beside of that, it is your thing how wide you claim your horizon, how much facts and variables you include in your thoughts and decisions, i guess we have different results / conclusions, that is not a critic its just life as it is - divers.
For myself is see the opensource - project in real danger, also the society, its a cultural war of ugly pink - lilac haired women / hen or whatever they call themselfs, and they are a virus which will cause an immun reaction from the society, which means exclusion.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: pin on September 26, 2018, 07:56:05 am
This topic was also raised on the Void Linux forum.
It lasted less than an hour  ;)
The topic was closed by one of the Void devs with following explanation:
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The youtube video you linked is someone who has nothing to do with Linux who makes money on their youtube channel doing videos about right/conservative politics, all this “SJW” talk is biased and feeds into their audience.
Many of the sources in the news articles are from similar people who have no relation to Linux, usually “conservative” internet personalities.

There are many “journalists” who include personal attacks, spread conspiracy theories and feed into the anti SJW, anti feminism audience just to generate clicks.

If you look at discussions about this on twitter, reddit etc, you can see people who have little to do with linux will comment and get up-voted for it. They usually post in Gamer Gate, The_Donald and similar subreddits and their mission is to spread misinformation and hate.

The mail to the mailing list is someone anonymously spamming the message.

If there really would be someone who wants to revoke the license for their code this would be a legal issue and no one knows what would come out of it.

I don’t think the Void forum is the right place to discuss politics and conspiracy theories.

Maybe, we (here) should have done the same?  :-\

This sort of discussion leads to nothing and it has turned into a personal opinion battle.
Title: Re: [torvalds/linux] Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 26, 2018, 08:15:33 am
[TOPIC LOCKED]

Before it gets out of hand.