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Title: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: untrusted user on September 12, 2018, 05:16:05 pm
I have done some experiments with two well known fullcolor wallpapers to drive them into something more pepp-ish, just for learning purposes.
i'm unsure if they are of some use for you out there, the easiest way is simply to show them here and let you decide, maybe someone will like and use them...

each type in three different shades (of pepp) ;)

links removed

with friendly greetings
CRLinux
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 12, 2018, 06:55:54 pm
Those are really cool :)
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 13, 2018, 01:46:11 am
Love the Hexagon ones - added to my collection

Nice work - Thank You

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: VinDSL on September 13, 2018, 06:31:59 am
Beautiful, CRLinux.

Gotta ask...

Those graphics are the same 1:8 resolution that I run, on my 3-monitor over/under tree setup - 29" display on top, 2 x 23" displays on the bottom  :-\

When I surf the web looking for walls, that particular size is pretty few and far between.

What kind of display setup do you have?
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: VinDSL on September 13, 2018, 06:45:56 am
Interesting.

I just checked, and that's the same oddball resolution that UHD TVs use - which technically speaking are not 4K TVs.

Checking Google trends (https://goo.gl/je83r1) we're definitely in the minority  ;D





Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: untrusted user on September 13, 2018, 03:30:07 pm
Thanks to you all, thats very kind  :)

@ VinDSL

I have one single Monitor 28" AOC U2879VF with native 3840x2160, even it is a cheap model of that class i'm really impressed from its resolution and visuals, in retrospect it was a very good replacement for my old and very powerhungry 21" EIZO F980 CRT.

I must mention here that this old CRT has one effort which my new AOC display cant beat ... realtime drawing ... i mean in 2D, i'm experiencing actually input latencies while painting / drawing, which didnt exist if i'm using the F980 ... maybe its the 4K (which the F980 definitely cant and will not handle, i was managing to get to work 3200x2400 at the F980 at ergonomic refreshrates, and painting and editing 3d objects in blender was very nice and smooth with crisp display...) on the AOC i have the latencies in 2d and "hardware" motion-blur in blender while moving /rotating wireframe-meshes (3d-objects in edit mode). I have an eye on that .. two eyes to be honest ;)

but my best guess its somehow vsync and ram dac related, maybe some hardware geek can tell us more about that?  ???

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Vector_Video_Standards.svg/1280px-Vector_Video_Standards.svg.png)

to be honest (sry english is not my native language) i'm i bit confused about your question... my pics are made in native 4K (UHD-1 in the pic above), the pic-hoster shows them in a smaller downsampled resolution, and mentions to click on the pic to view and download it in full resolution... and i made three different shades for experimental reasons, to check how they work / look under several peppermint themes / colorschemes... and i have showed them in those three variants because several users / humans have a different taste and feeling which one is more comfortable and ergonomic for them, maybe your question comes from there.

anyway your question bears a deeper sense in it, for those enthusiasts like you, who like to have several monitors, there are indeed very few wallpaper solutions which span allover your whole setup, i guess it would be great for you to have a wallpaper pack for your display setup?

Just as a hint, Voyager 18.04 LTS (yes the distro) has a big wallpaperpack (one of the efforts of the Voyager distro) which holds also some grey-ish wallpaper for 4 workspaces (numbered). I mention that with the workflow and ergonomy in your setup in mind, you have build it with sense and reasons, so the wallpaper(s) should follow this too, so that it makes sense, right?

Its all ok, thank you for your questions,
i'm just asking curiously.

Greetings.
CRLinux

PS: I'm driven to ask you a favour, would you like to do a test to this wallpaper topic, i mean if like and can provide me with a photo of your monitor setup (the hardware) and / or a screenshot of your monitor-setup-preferences in linux so that i can see how your monitors are order and configured in size and proportion in linux / on the pepp, would be interesting and challenging to create a wallpaper pack especially for your setup, and in return to find out how it will work for your setup while on those three screens...

just to explain my intentions... Gerald Hüther says (hopefully i translate that correct to english) each one of us is naturally born as high talented... after school and university only 2% are left (a critic at the school system which is intented to frustrate each child so they dont like to learn anymore)... in that context i have discovered that computers and especially with linux and opensource can revive our natural curiosity and fun to learn (by firing up all the gizmos up there in our heads)  ;D ... thats something common that we linux users share all over the planet ;) and my question is actually how would it be ... for you to have a very own special solution for your monitor setup in terms of wallpaper / desktop look and ergonomic...
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: murraymint on September 13, 2018, 04:27:03 pm

just to explain my intentions... Gerald Hüther says (hopefully i translate that correct to english) each one of us is naturally born as high talented... after school and university only 2% are left (a critic at the school system which is intented to frustrate each child so they dont like to learn anymore)...

I couldn't agree more. Who is Gerald Hüther?
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: untrusted user on September 13, 2018, 04:51:06 pm
@ murraymint

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_H%C3%BCther (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_H%C3%BCther)

a german neurobiologist and book author - a while back interviewed by KenFM - a very very enlightening talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzHhHs2bmvg


sorry i cant find an english version of that video

he (Hüther) is part of the project "Schulen im Aufbruch" free translated "schools at awakening"
and please whatever you have heard about kenfm through massmedia in your country, leave that behind (in this case)
he (Ken) is interviewing very interesting people in a very interesting way...
i mention that in times of "fake news"... and "conspiracy theories" ...
In other words, each human should speak freely these days and should get heard ...
this is what linux and its community is teaching us ...
and G.Hüther should to be heard...

just to answer your question and explaining the background a bit, hopefully this thread will survive while diving into this side way,
just to wrap the things up... we ... humans can only be creative as a whole individual, with heart and brain, and in conjunction with other people
i think it is better to explain my intentions, my thinking about linux and so on... so that you can better understand my question / offer
so hopefully my short voyage into the offtopic will be accepted / tolerated
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: murraymint on September 13, 2018, 06:19:33 pm
Thanks CRLinux, I'll have a look at that when I get a chance. Don't worry, we're fairly tolerant of a thread like this meandering somewhat  :)
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: VinDSL on September 13, 2018, 09:55:30 pm
I'm driven to ask you a favour, would you like to do a test to this wallpaper topic, i mean if like and can provide me with a photo of your monitor setup (the hardware) and / or a screenshot of your monitor-setup-preferences in linux so that i can see how your monitors are order and configured in size and proportion in linux / on the pepp, would be interesting and challenging to create a wallpaper pack especially for your setup, and in return to find out how it will work for your setup while on those three screens...

My pleasure  :)

Here's the wall I've been using for awhile...


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2018-09-13_18:06:18.png)


And, here are a couple of your walls...


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2018-09-13_18:17:57.png)


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2018-09-13_18:19:20.png)


To put it into perspective - 1x29" on top (divided into 2x19" Opera brower screens) - 2x23" on bottom (Thunderbird on left & Guayadeque on right)...


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2018-09-13_18:43:05.png)


Is that clear as mud? LoL  ;D
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: VinDSL on September 13, 2018, 10:12:08 pm
BTW, you mentioned hardware...

Here's the tree that I use:  https://goo.gl/6ZxvKo

The top display is a Dell U2913WM 29" Ultra Wide:   https://goo.gl/de6nd1

The bottom displays are AOC 2343 23" - bought them for a LAN party and the bastards refuse to die: https://goo.gl/2CiCJC

Top display is HDMI - Bottom displays are DVI & VGA, respectively.


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2018-09-13_19:39:58.png)
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: VinDSL on September 13, 2018, 10:55:58 pm
to be honest (sry english is not my native language) i'm i bit confused about your question... my pics are made in native 4K (UHD-1 in the pic above), the pic-hoster shows them in a smaller downsampled resolution, and mentions to click on the pic to view and download it in full resolution..

Didn't mean to sound pedantic, but...

Technically, "4K" means a horizontal resolution of 4,096 pixels.

It's not a matter of opinion. This is the resolution set forth by the Digital Cinema Initiatives.

I'll stop now  :D
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: VinDSL on September 14, 2018, 12:07:59 am
Okay, One last post  ;D

I found a perfect use for one of your walls - Opera Speed Dial background, e.g. 'Mini Wall'


(http://vindsl.com/images/Windowshot_2018-09-13_21:02:36.png)


Matches my desktop wall perfectly.

Thanks, CRLinux
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 14, 2018, 02:24:46 am

Technically, "4K" means a horizontal resolution of 4,096 pixels.

It's not a matter of opinion. This is the resolution set forth by the Digital Cinema Initiatives.


WOW writing to Acer for a refund as they sold me 4K monitors that arn't - shocking  :-[
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: untrusted user on September 14, 2018, 03:00:54 am
@ VinDSL

first a big thank you to you for all the infos

at second two questions:

have you shared your experiences with this setup / desktop usage with the community before? If not you should do that, i see already many tips you can give others with your experiences
in some sort of tutorial  :)

you had given the display on the right the mainscreen with appmenu, workspace-overview and conkys systeminformation, i find this very interesting while ppl are discussing the "kaotic" ordering of the main bars, appmenu and mainfunctions in i.e. Dolphin also on the right side of the screen in KaOS (as a nogo), which i see in my experience as the right place if i'm using my right hand as the main hand, i would place my tools and utilities also on the right side, even my mouse, usb-drives, penmouse and mousepen are on the right side of my desk... it seems naturally to me, so also the KaOS desktop feels more naturally to me, a surprising experience to me, an eye opener, thats why i keep a small installation of KaOS on my PC- the mousemovements are reduced in those programs which are build in that "new" "kaotic" way but got even more if the window-menus are placed on the left upper side of the screen / window.

Why is this so important to me, i'm on my way with computers since Amiga-times, the early 90's in between i was league-player (semiprofessional and only for a short time) in MyUCL and ClanBase, over all those years i've been using standard mices and keyboards, seven years ago from now, i got RSI (Repetitive-Strain-Injury) on both hands and arms, which gets even worse (for reasons which i don't understand and can't explain) into rheumatoid arthritis - so by all means if the new "kaotic" ordering of the things in KaOS 2018.08, can help to prevent other users to experience this hell of RSI and rheumatoid arthritis, then HELL YES! keep it that new way, meanwhile i can recommend the usage of mousepens / tablets and/or penmouses ... i.e.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpyryob84E4

they work easily with Linux

... talking a break here for breakfast (which also means taking my daily pills)... i will edit further later.

against my promise i will left this entry as it is and will answer further an a new one.
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 14, 2018, 03:06:46 am
Beautiful, CRLinux.

Gotta ask...

Those graphics are the same 1:8 resolution that I run, on my 3-monitor over/under tree setup - 29" display on top, 2 x 23" displays on the bottom  :-\

When I surf the web looking for walls, that particular size is pretty few and far between.

What kind of display setup do you have?

Hi VinDSL

I find this site very good for certain types of wallpapers and it seems to auto know your screen res  https://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/date/any/ (https://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/date/any/)

Give it a try

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: untrusted user on September 14, 2018, 04:28:58 am

Didn't mean to sound pedantic, but...

Technically, "4K" means a horizontal resolution of 4,096 pixels.

It's not a matter of opinion. This is the resolution set forth by the Digital Cinema Initiatives.

i understand you and agree, myself while i'm editing textures for my main project i have not the luxury to create double-standards of 4K, my textures have to be 4096x4096 or 4096x8192! and not 3840x xyz, Its a question and matter of pixel dimension, picture scaling, preventing the moiré effect (which happens very often in my project, because of the special direction of my project) it is a technical "must", but please understand that i cant throw my new AOC out of the window into the trash / garbage, because it doesnt fullfill the one real(?) 4K standard :D I'm too glad to have him in its 4K-imperfection for my daily computer activities

and through nvidias DSR i have much greater screenresolutions on the backhand (for now only under win7x64), which was and will be also very helpful with my project.

to my tutorial advice, i mean that serious (we need a special thread for that matter), i assume that the movement of your head is different to us who are using only one monitor, would be interesting to hear your experiences how your neck and back feels after a long day of work on this desktop setup, and maybe you have tips for this those ones who plan to setup such a three monitor setup.

so for now thanks again, for all of your kindly given informations, i have downloaded the pics, to work further...

@ zebedeeboss

thanks for URL, this case of website is very rare in respecting more monitor setups, the web should have more of them these days, right?
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: pin on September 14, 2018, 04:38:22 am
Why is this so important to me, i'm on my way with computers since Amiga-times, the early 90's in between i was league-player (semiprofessional and only for a short time) in MyUCL and ClanBase, over all those years i've been using standard mices and keyboards, seven years ago from now, i got RSI (Repetitive-Strain-Injury) on both hands and arms, which gets even worse (for reasons which i don't understand and can't explain) into rheumatoid arthritis - so by all means if the new "kaotic" ordering of the things in KaOS 2018.08, can help to prevent other users to experience this hell of RSI and rheumatoid arthritis, then HELL YES! keep it that new way, meanwhile i can recommend the usage of mousepens / tablets and/or penmouses ... i.e.

First of all, sorry for hijacking this post. Also, I know I've been called "not normal" at times, but...
Have you even considered the possibility of using a tiling window manager?

I use awesome wm on a daily basis and use key combinations to do all kinds of stuff, ...don't even own a mouse anymore  ;)

This is from my NetBSD system, since it's the one that I'm using at the moment, but that doesn't really matter...

Use Mod4 + w and you get the menu wherever you are at the moment.

Use Mod4 + Enter to open the terminal and Mod4 + w then arrows and Enter to open your file manager.

Use Mod4 + s to display on screen all key combinations, in case you forgot any,

(https://i.imgur.com/R6vh0HD.jpg)

... Mod4 + c to close down the active window, Mod 4 + <number> to shift through the different work spaces, ... I could go on, but I think you get the point. No mouse needed ever again  ;)

Obviously, you can install awesome on Peppermint and give it a try.
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: untrusted user on September 14, 2018, 05:27:11 am
Obviously, you can install awesome on Peppermint and give it a try.

thats good to hear, thank you, i've tested i3 on another distro, it was very fast so i guess awesome must run very speedy on pepp?... but the problem isnt the windowmanager ... in my case, my working routine is the true problem here, which needs a more conservative approach to the gui, i prefer the mouse over the keyboard, especially the usage of the keyboard is hurting more then the usage of my vertical mouse (a DIY merge / "smash together" between a chassis of a very low price chinese vertikal mouse and the content/chipset of a Fire Glider mouse, it was coincidentally matching into the chassis of the vertical mouse, in terms of mouse+mouse = healing ;) ) and the pens,

my best guess aside of that is, my hands and arms are needing more movement in terms of radius / length and not less i.e. with using only the keyboard, any way thanks for the hint, maybe some people outthere find your solution more pleasing / more matching to their workflow even in ergonomics

(https://www.zcontent.de/bilder/1491920655/1491920655-1491983299-RSI.png)

the usage of the keyboard has the same issues with the torsion in the arm

about your "not normal", we humans are born as very unique in body (thats genetic) and in personality (thats epigenetic), we are not birthly normed at all, so how can we ever be normal / matching a norm / matching which norm? and who defines those norms? - the stupid tin foil hats of elites, they have way too many problems with themself / theirself :D So please feel free to be who you are, linux teaches us this too every day. We can have many things in common, but thats not a norm nor normal, its human!

I was watching "Destination Linux" with Ryan, Michael and Zeb yesterday and Big Daddy Linux Live! days ago, i like to watch them, because there are so many different characters with different tastes and ages, they share a passion (?) / have this linux thing in common, but i would be a true fool to name them normal! I like the diversity of and in those shows, the different thoughts of the members and the insights they share, and its good/best as it is, so we - the watchers - can learn from them and build our own opinion based on their knowledge, guidance and experience, and get inspired to test the things ourself. Maybe open source stands also for open minded, at least i hope so.
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: VinDSL on September 14, 2018, 07:24:31 am
@ VinDSL

first a big thank you to you for all the infos

at second two questions:

have you shared your experiences with this setup / desktop usage with the community before? If not you should do that, i see already many tips you can give others with your experiences
in some sort of tutorial  :)

you had given the display on the right the mainscreen with appmenu, workspace-overview and conkys systeminformation, i find this very interesting while ppl are discussing the "kaotic" ordering of the main bars, appmenu and mainfunctions in i.e. Dolphin also on the right side of the screen in KaOS (as a nogo), which i see in my experience as the right place if i'm using my right hand as the main hand, i would place my tools and utilities also on the right side, even my mouse, usb-drives, penmouse and mousepen are on the right side of my desk... it seems naturally to me, so also the KaOS desktop feels more naturally to me, a surprising experience to me, an eye opener, thats why i keep a small installation of KaOS on my PC- the mousemovements are reduced in those programs which are build in that "new" "kaotic" way but got even more if the window-menus are placed on the left upper side of the screen / window.

Why is this so important to me, i'm on my way with computers since Amiga-times, the early 90's in between i was league-player (semiprofessional and only for a short time) in MyUCL and ClanBase, over all those years i've been using standard mices and keyboards, seven years ago from now, i got RSI (Repetitive-Strain-Injury) on both hands and arms, which gets even worse (for reasons which i don't understand and can't explain) into rheumatoid arthritis - so by all means if the new "kaotic" ordering of the things in KaOS 2018.08, can help to prevent other users to experience this hell of RSI and rheumatoid arthritis, then HELL YES! keep it that new way, meanwhile i can recommend the usage of mousepens / tablets and/or penmouses ... i.e.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpyryob84E4

they work easily with Linux

... talking a break here for breakfast (which also means taking my daily pills)... i will edit further later.

against my promise i will left this entry as it is and will answer further an a new one.

You have a keen mind and discerning eye, CRLinux  ;D

I'm short on time, so I'll try to keep this brief...

My Conky script is used on all 7 continents, and has been documented ad nauseam on the web. It's a bit of a pox, actually, and I don't discuss it here, as users would quickly flood the site with questions and wrestle away control.

And, yes, there's a method to my madness, regarding the layout and configuration of my monitors, but nobody but you has ever noticed, nor asked about it.

In short, the things I'm involved with, both personally and professionally, require multiple desktop machines, a laptop, and two operating systems - Linux and winders.

The desktops boxes that I use the most often (and the display tree) are tied together via a KVM switch (https://goo.gl/nxIViJ).  Thus, only requiring one keyboard and mouse.

I use the same layout in Peppermint and '10', however, only one of my boxes is capable of driving three diplays, so I always use the bottom-right VGA monitor as the 'master cylinder', if you will. That way, I can work two desktop machines at the same time - with three monitors - and a single keyboard and mouse.

It gets a little technical, at this point, so we'd better leave that as fodder for a different discussion. LoL  :D

Gotta run. BBL
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: murraymint on September 14, 2018, 07:40:38 am

the usage of the keyboard has the same issues with the torsion in the arm


It does. I'm a transcriber so I type a lot and I mouse a lot just in normal computer usage. I used to get severe wrist pains/probably the start of carpal tunnel syndrome but I've got one of these (a memory foam Kensington wrist rest) which solved the problem completely for me. I'm using a tenkeyless keyboard so the right-hand bit of it does my mouse wrist as well.

(https://www.postofficeshop.co.uk/images/product/extraLarge/2/N0458_L.jpg)
Title: Re: My experiments with wallpapers
Post by: untrusted user on September 20, 2018, 11:40:21 pm

I'm short on time, so I'll try to keep this brief...


So am I, sorry for the late response then,

here is a concept graphic - just for testing purposal,
two images/versions, one with a thin grid(in the name too) for your 3 monitors, to adjust, or to cut seperate images out if needed
please take the pics as unfinished, they are very large, so i give the project (much larger then the single pics) a hold, just to test even the size of that "thing"...
4K btw.

(https://abload.de/thumb/3displays-testihf65.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=3displays-testihf65.jpg)

(https://abload.de/thumb/3displays-test-gridhresz.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=3displays-test-gridhresz.jpg)

please test it, some feedback - technical and in terms of taste - would be very kind...

and do not hurry, i have a lot of issues in RL these days, so spare time for that...

Greetings  :)

CRLinux.