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Title: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: grafiksinc on October 24, 2017, 08:19:44 am
I did a quick search of the forum but did not find anything,
Sorry if this is a repeat question. :(
The current ISO is 1.2 GB, and relatively speaking  it really is not that large compared to other distros.

But is it drivers, Wallpaper ;)...etc that consume much of that space?
No reason for asking.... just wondering,  8)
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 24, 2017, 09:23:37 am
Remember, and ISO contains a compressed (to a greater or lesser degree) squashfs file system.

Once we broke the 700MB size so the ISO would no longer fit on a CDROM, we decided to ditch xz compression of the squashfs to speed up 'Live' sessions.

If we'd kept the xz compression the PM7/PM8 ISO would be around 720/740MB .. still too big for a CDROM, and noticeably slower in a Live session .. so we ditched the xz compression.

squashfs compression is always a tradeoff between size, speed, and resource usage in a Live session.

You shouldn't compare the ISO size of one distro (or version) with another because you don't know the compression settings used when building the ISOs .. you should really only compare the final uncompressed "installed" size ;)
(which might be difficult because most distros don't publish this info because it's variable depending on the options chosen during the install)
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: grafiksinc on October 24, 2017, 10:07:50 am
As always thanks!  ;) good info.  8)
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 24, 2017, 10:31:46 am
You're most welcome :)
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: zElwin on February 11, 2018, 07:01:36 pm
I've been refurbishing old 32bit Windows (XP and Vista) desktops and successfully loading Peppermint onto them. This is the one version of desktop linux that I've found to be the closest to how Windows users expect a PC to work (still a bit to Terminal/Command line that should be done via a GUI App).  It is also a great intro for long-time Windows users to a Linux O/S. I've successfully introduced Peppermint to end-users like my sister, parents, none technical friends, etc..., who would never come close to using Linux.
By loading 32bit Peppermint onto these desktops, I've also been able to get a modern O/S into the hands of those not able to afford a new PC and away from expired and insecure O/S's like XP and Vista.
Since Peppermint 6, there are no more CDROM ISO's so for old PCs with no DVD drive, I can't upgrade them above 6.
Can those in charge of Peppermint please create CDROM sized ISO's to install (no Live capability needed here)?  Like Peppermint 8 being installed via 2 to 6 CD's would be great!
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 11, 2018, 07:25:54 pm
Hi zElwin and welcome to the forum :)

I'm afraid we're unlikely to do that because it would entail a major overhaul of the installer, and so far you're the only one that's asked for such an animal.

That said, if you're happy to forego all the additional artwork (themes, wallpapers etc.) and install those post install I **might** be able to get the ISO down to CD size using max compression of the squashfs .. kind of as a one off, and link to the custom ISO here.

and it still may not be doable, so no promises.

Though it might make more sense for me to do this when PM9 is released.
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: Fred on February 11, 2018, 08:23:23 pm
Hello zElwin and welcome.  Just wondering...Do these old PCs have a usb port?  If so, you could install the latest version of Peppermint via usb thumb-drive instead of using a CD.
Best wishes...
Fred
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: zElwin on February 11, 2018, 11:16:33 pm
Wow. Did not expect a response until Monday. Thanks.
As for the ISO, given no one asks for this I wouldn't expect you to make a custom one just for one person.
Of course if it were to be done for everyone, and others are also testing this out, doing it for Peppermint 9 would make more sense.
As for USB, I tried it and it seems to be a hit/miss.  Was able to get Peppermint 7 onto a desktop with 512M of RAM for one of my sisters who is using it today.  But some other PC's I can't get them to boot from their USB but the CDROM always work.
I have some other PC's with 1G of RAM and are new enough to have DVD that boot up and run Peppermint 8 (like this version). 
Given a lot of XP based PCs I've come across run with 512M or less of RAM, seems I may also be hitting a wall with not only the size of the ISO's but the weight of the O/S; they may get too sluggish with anything newer than Peppermint 7.
Hopefully in the future, there will be a way to upgrade/install by booting up a small CD and downloading the rest from the Internet.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 12, 2018, 05:39:48 am
Have you tried creating a "plop" floppy disk or CD that then allows you to kinda side-boot a USB stick on systems where the BIOS doesn't support direct booting from USB ?
https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/plpbt.bin.html
and the documentation
https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html

I'm still willing to try create an ISO without the extra themes (which you can install post-install) if you wish ?

That said I wouldn't want to use Peppermint 8 on a PC with only 512MB RAM .. the OS will work, but as soon as you open a modern web browser you'd end up swapping out to disk and the system would start to crawl.
Title: Re: Peppermint ISO Size
Post by: Fred on February 12, 2018, 08:11:52 am
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Given a lot of XP based PCs I've come across run with 512M or less of RAM, seems I may also be hitting a wall with not only the size of the ISO's but the weight of the O/S

Hello again zElwin...
The cost of ram has come way down from what it was years ago.  If you are working on fixing up PCs for your family, it may be well worth installing another stick of ram, to get those systems up and running better.  If you can't find ram locally, Internet auction sites are one of many low cost sources for ram. Just a suggestion...

All the best,
Fred