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Title: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on August 28, 2017, 06:54:59 am
Purism Unveils Plans to Build Librem 5, the World’s First Encrypted, Open Smartphone Ecosystem Giving Users Complete Device Control

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We believe phones should not track you nor exploit your digital life. We are in the middle of a digital rights revolution where you get to decide the future. We at Purism are building a phone that does not run Android nor iOS, but runs PureOS or any GNU/Linux distribution where all the source code is available.

SOURCE: https://goo.gl/JALrh9 *

* The material provided here is for informational purposes only and is not intended and
should not be considered an advertisement for, or endorsement of products or services.
Title: Meet the development team at the 2017 Debian Conference
Post by: VinDSL on August 28, 2017, 07:24:05 am
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Meet the development team at the 2017 Debian Conference
We are proud to announce that we will be sponsoring and attending the 2017 Debian conference from August 1st to August 12 in Montréal, Canada.

Damn it !  I missed that one...

I would have gone to Montreal a week early, if I'd known about it.   :P
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 28, 2017, 05:17:32 pm
How many times...
https://www.engadget.com/2013/10/09/quasar-iv-encrypted-phone-production/?ncid=rss_truncated

https://www.wired.com/2015/09/review-blackphone-2/

Sounds like a good idea to me and you, but in reality (Like Win10 spyware), Joe Average doesn't give a s**t

And a Linux smartphone will only ever take off in any meaningful way when it gets picked up by someone with the clout of say Samsung and attracts a HUGE app ecosystem .. and if they do, they'll rename it for sure (like Android) :))

That said as a niche thing, I quite liked the look of the Ubuntu Phone .. the problem with these things is you know they'll be expensive, there'll be no apps, and they'll disappear after 2 years :(



[EDIT]

There's also the catch 22 of - If it's an American or Euro effort it's hard to trust there's no secretly mandated back door .. and if it's anyone else it's hard to trust for other reasons.

Or is that just tin hat me ?
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on August 28, 2017, 10:11:00 pm
Sounded good at 4:00 AM.  ;)

Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 29, 2017, 07:27:50 am
LOL, don't get me wrong I'd love to see this succeed (or even for it to simply prompt mainstream discussion about phone/data privacy) .. but I just seriously doubt it will interest the unthinking cat pic fekbook sheep, so will get nowhere beyond a tiny niche then disappear :(

The "or any GNU/Linux distribution" does sound interesting though .. I maybe can feel a Peppermint hijacking coming on :D

"Peppermint" does sound better for a phone than "Ubuntu" or even "Pure" ;)
(except we can't steal the Apple "iOS" style naming convention, because "pOS" carries very different connotations)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: Timo on September 15, 2017, 10:45:51 am
I guess I'm late, I think it's very interesting... but the funding isn't looking great :(

I liked the old Windows mobile thing (the PocketPC with Pen and an awesome sliding keyboard), because it was really like a PC in the Pocket. Looked a lot like XP, felt a lot like it and (the few applications that ran on it) actually ran like on a (very old) PC... the 1x 400MHz CPU wasn't that great, but a modern smartphone is slightly stronger..
I got it for free when the smartphones started appearing and did everything I needed to do for school on it. If I couldn't sleep during classes I was working on the presentations and stuff we had to do. That thing boosted my grades :D
I still have that thing, my only remaining full time windows machine, just in case i need MS Office :D

A PocketPeppermintPC would be awesome, although it wouldn't replace a regular smartphone... I mean most people don't know how to communicate without Whatsapp. Like on the PC, Peppermint is great but no Windows replacement, because your expected to use Windows.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on September 15, 2017, 04:58:55 pm
I still have that thing, my only remaining full time windows machine, just in case i need MS Office :D

Unfortunately, [the lack of] MS Office is not an option for me. That's why I dual-boot Peppermint/'10' on my lappy.

Maybe, someday, I'll be able free the surly bonds of windersworld, but in the meantime, I'm just a penguin in a sea of sharks.

Concerning 'Game of Phones', I still haven't purchased a 'smarty'. I get by just fine with 2 flip phones, but ...

It would be nice to tether to my own personal mobile hotspot - save a lot of time, hunting down a connection.

Maybe 'they' should start small, and create a data only Linux phone - basically a secure, encrypted, mobile router with no tracking, and build on that.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: Timo on September 16, 2017, 02:49:38 pm
I'm still using my first smartphone, Android 4.2.2... I think they're at 8 now ::) Security updates are overrated on a highly insecure system :D

That's what I hope for - a basic Linux for the pocket. Android/iOS is more like a convenient multifunctional surveillance monitor.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: alynur on September 29, 2017, 11:27:24 am
Concerning 'Game of Phones', I still haven't purchased a 'smarty'. I get by just fine with 2 flip phones, but ...

It would be nice to tether to my own personal mobile hotspot - save a lot of time, hunting down a connection.

Maybe 'they' should start small, and create a data only Linux phone - basically a secure, encrypted, mobile router with no tracking, and build on that.


i have a small LG e425g that works real good for hotspotting. A new LG E425g Optimus L3 II runs about sixty bucks here.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on September 30, 2017, 10:51:34 am
i have a small LG e425g that works real good for hotspotting. A new LG E425g Optimus L3 II runs about sixty bucks here.

Nice phone. I wish it would work with my service provider's CDMA and 4G LTE network.

I'll probably go with the fairly small Motorola Moto E4 ($49.00 USD) (https://goo.gl/AEmMFi).  ;)


https://youtu.be/XN7BJFjYPWc
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on September 30, 2017, 11:49:36 am
Okay, alynur, you Svengali (https://goo.gl/DBKfZy).  I've joined the zombie nation.

Your show n' tell did the deed.  I just ordered a Moto E4.

Guess I'll flip one of my flip-phone accounts to 2017 usage.

Gotta say, I'm going to miss the $3.00 USD/mo. grandfathered service, but hey...  ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: alynur on September 30, 2017, 12:05:59 pm
i have a small LG e425g that works real good for hotspotting. A new LG E425g Optimus L3 II runs about sixty bucks here.

Nice phone. I wish it would work with my service provider's CDMA and 4G LTE network.

I'll probably go with the fairly small Motorola Moto E4 ($49.00 USD) (https://goo.gl/AEmMFi).  ;)


https://youtu.be/XN7BJFjYPWc

That is a nice phone, and the price is killer, here it runs about $170 USD.  My only complaint would be it's size, too big for me. Looks like if I ever want to upgrade, I'll have no choice but to go bigger. I would like a front facing camera. Good luck with your new one, no more internet connection problems.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on September 30, 2017, 12:43:49 pm
That is a nice phone, and the price is killer, here it runs about $170 USD.  My only complaint would be it's size, too big for me. Looks like if I ever want to upgrade, I'll have no choice but to go bigger. I would like a front facing camera. Good luck with your new one, no more internet connection problems.

It's bigger than I want (5-inches), but the price is right, plus it's been getting mostly glowing reviews.

I played around with an Apple SE (4-inches) at a kiosk in Montreal QB, last month. That would be the perfect size, but my family has been down-talking Apple products and ecosystem, like "Whatever. Get an Apple, but you're on your own." LoL!

They're against the Moto E4 too, because of the low price, like "Whatever you want to do. You get what you pay for though." Supposedly it's made by Lenovo (https://goo.gl/bTkE2y). How bad can it be?

I carry a dual-boot Dell i7 laptop with Peppermint/"10" installed and fully updated. I own a great digital camera, and equally great digital camcorder. I don't care about any of those functions in a phone. I'm only interested in a handful of apps that require Android/iOS - that's all.

Anyway, thanks for pushing me over the cliff. I needed a shove...  ;)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2018, 06:38:32 pm
I saw Boost's Moto E4 and LG's Tribute on a clearance sale today at Walmart.  The Moto was going for $45 (running Nougat) and the Tribute (running Marshmallow) was going for $35.  It's funny that I caught the drop in prices on the same day that T-Mobile and Sprint officially announce their plans to merge (https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/29/t-mobile-and-sprint-merger/).
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on December 11, 2018, 08:53:21 pm
I don't why this caught me by surprise, but it did.  Yandex has made its own Android phone. :o


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New Yandex Smartphone Offers a Unified Yandex Mobile Experience
5 dec 2018

Today, Yandex announced the release of its first smartphone, Yandex.Phone.  This device is the first phone to be fully powered by our intelligent assistant, Alice, and it is the first smartphone to be entirely integrated into the Yandex mobile ecosystem of apps and services right out of the box.  We’re excited to provide mobile users with the best Yandex smartphone experience.
   

Our smartphone gives Russian mobile users unrivalled integration with our ecosystem with a mobile experience personalised with Yandex apps and services.  Yandex.Phone learns more about its owner’s schedule as they use the phone, and the phone provides notifications based on what its user is doing. Integration with Yandex.Maps gives users timely traffic updates while Yandex.Weather provides hyperlocal forecasting.

Yandex.Phone is the only smartphone in Russia to have Alice completely integrated into the phone.  For the first time, mobile users can use Russia’s most powerful intelligent assistant across all apps and services.  Alice can be activated regardless of what a user is doing on the phone, and the user can employ voice commands to interact with the assistant even when the phone is not being held.
Alice suggests the user dress warmly for cold weather tomorrow.

Yandex.Phone has a 5.65-inch Full HD+ LCD screen with IPS and runs Android 8.1 with our Yandex.Launcher interface, and an octa-core Snapdragon processor powers the phone.  A fingerprint sensor allows users to unlock the phone by touch, with Gorilla Glass on the front and back with an aluminum frame.  The phone has dual 16MP and 5MP rear cameras and a 5MP front camera, both with flash, and 64GB of expandable storage.

The phone retails for 17,990 rubles ($270) and will be available tomorrow at the Yandex Store at our Moscow headquarters.  On December 7, users can buy the phone through Beeline, one of Russia’s largest telecommunications providers, and at M.Video and Eldorado retail electronics stores.  Users will also be able to buy the phone on December 7 through our new Beru e-commerce marketplace, with free delivery across Russia.

In May, we unveiled our first hardware product, the Yandex.Station smart speaker, which brought Alice into homes across Russia for the first time.  With the announcement of two third-party smart speakers last month, our intelligent assistant became available in even more products for the home.  Alice is also now available in cars across Russia, through the Yandex.Auto infotainment system on certain new vehicles and in all vehicles in our Yandex.Drive car-sharing fleet.  Yandex.Phone marks our second hardware release this year and provides the most comprehensive Yandex and Alice mobile experience in Russia.

We’re happy to give our users a new way to engage with our products and services and to provide the most extensive Yandex mobile experience yet.  We look forward to expanding the array of products in the Yandex ecosystem and bringing Alice to an even wider audience.

yandex.phone
alice

Source:  https://yandex.com/company/blog (2nd blog down with photos)

Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 12, 2018, 09:58:08 am
Gee I bet Russians are over the moon about getting their very own intelligence intelligent assistant.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on February 12, 2019, 10:26:30 pm
Here's an update about Yandex's smartphone.   The article also sheds some light upon the Russian smartphone manufacturer called Yota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yota).

Russia’s Yandex smartphone flops

By Ben Aris in Berlin for bne IntelliNews (http://www.intellinews.com/about/) (a non-secure site)

http://www.intellinews.com/russia-s-yandex-smartphone-flops-155668/
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 23, 2019, 02:23:07 pm
OMG!  >:(

Setting up my new Google Fi phone (Moto X4 - Android One) is as long and painstaking as doing a fresh winders 7 install.

This phone came with Android 7.1.1 OOTB. After I charged the battery and booted it, it said Android 8.0 was available, and asked if I would like to install it. Android 8 is much better than Android 7, from what I've read so... why not?

I started the process last night, around midnight. It took about 30 minutes to install Android 8, but then the incremental updates started streaming in.

Every update was met with yet another available update, and I gave up around 4 AM, and got some 'shut eye.'

I continued the updates when I awoke. It's now 12 hours later, and I'm up to the October 2018 update. Hello?!?!?

Evidently, Google Fi must have monthly updates - like winder's Patch Tuesday. And, one needs to install them one at a time.

This phone was made in mid 2017-ish.  Doing a little rough math, you can see what I'm up against. LoL!

Oh, well, no pain, no gain, right?  ::)

Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 23, 2019, 02:44:15 pm
Just got me a Sammy Note 9 .. came with 8.1.0 (Oreo), immediately wanted to update to 9.0 (Pie) .. as Pie is pretty new it was pretty quick because there haven't been many incremental updates yet .. 2 IIRC.

Still trying to weigh up whether I prefer iOS or Android but there's so many variables....

I prefer the way iOS doesn't phone home anywhere near as much as Android

I hate the way Googles news feed is pretty much a bunch of adverts with a couple of lines of news squeezed into the ad stream every now and again.

I like the "more control" aspect of Android

I hate Androids confusing  "permissions" system .. it's kinda like KDE with so many options and variables you easily get lost and don't know what permissions you gave to what, and how they interact with permissions for something else.

I like the way Apple are on top of updates and therefore security .. although I'm hoping as a top tier Android phone I'll get regular "enough" updates (at least for the first couple of years).

I hate the way I can't uninstall some third party stuff in Android, such as Fekbook, etc. .. only never sign in, and 'hide' it .. but it's still there doing god knows what.

I love the Note 9's ability to split-screen (or window an app), and the S-Pen.

etc. etc. etc. ........

As for the hardware itself .. well this Note 9 is frikin gorgeous (specially its screen), I have no doubt an Apple XS Max would be equally as nice (and would possibly have been my first choice simply because I'm used to my previous iPhone), but I'm not paying that ridiculous price.

Should I have waited the extra 2 days for the Galaxy S10/S10+ .. well not really, I gather the Note 10 won't be available for some time yet and I REALLY wanted Linux on DeX and the S-Pen (ya gotta play right ?) :)
(I'd also feel much more confident about an OpenVPN connection to the Peppermint servers running in Linux rather than Android)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 23, 2019, 03:31:48 pm
Just got me a Sammy Note 9 .. came with 8.1.0 (Oreo), immediately wanted to update to 9.0 (Pie) [...]

Well, well. isn't that ironic?   ;D

I've evidently finished up all of the Android 7/8 updates, and it just asked me if I wished to install Android 9.0 Peppermint Pie.

Why not? I haven't ported my phone number over yet - had to get my current carrier to provide me with my 'secret' account number. I got the number from support, this morning, when they opened. It wasn't too painful. I don't know what their thinking was on this, but that's the ONLY way one can get their account number. Why it's hidden from customer view; I don't know...

I did a lot of research, before and after venturing into the dark side. Reddit is a good source of information on Google Fi (in general) and this phone (in particular).

Android 9.0 became available on the Google Fi Moto X4 in late December, 2018, but it wasn't available to everyone around the globe. As recently as two weeks ago, users in the USA were complaining that they hadn't been offered the Android Pie upgrade yet. Some people were so desperate to get Pie that they were rooting their Moto X4s and downloading turd-party installs.

I'm wondering how many of these people didn't realize their phones needed to have all of the incremental monthly updates installed, before Android 9.0 would be offered. I don't remember seeing anything mentioned about this.

So, anyway, I just pulled the trigger. We'll see how Android 9.0 rolls.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 23, 2019, 03:37:07 pm
I only tried Oreo for a couple of days, but Pie felt 'smoother' .. that said it could just be me getting familiar with Android again.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 23, 2019, 04:18:23 pm
I only tried Oreo for a couple of days, but Pie felt 'smoother' [...]

Oh, WoW! This Android 9.0 is feking gorgeous!

I've been running Android 7.1.1 on my Moto E4 for quite some time, so I'm used to its look n' feel.

And, I've experienced Android 7.1.1, 8.1.0, 9.0 on this phone, during the past 14 hours.

Android 8.0.1 was nothing to write home about, but this Android 9.0 Pie... WoW!

BTW, the Moto X4 is doing a January, 2019 update as I type. Then, I assume, a February, 2019 upgrade after that.

This is getting exciting.  8)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 23, 2019, 04:25:35 pm
Nope, that was the last update. Cool!

Okay, now it's time to tackle the phone number porting...   ::)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 23, 2019, 04:59:31 pm
Now see if you can figure out how to specify the colour of your individual contact icons .. apparently they got rid of this as a user configurable option in Pie.

And would you believe the first thing my missus said (specially after mentioning this things 'edge lighting') was "I wanna be purple" .. yet Pie has decided she's red whether she likes it or not :))
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 23, 2019, 05:20:52 pm
LoL  :D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on February 23, 2019, 06:30:00 pm
Geez, sounds like you guys are having no fun. I got a Moto G6 a few weeks ago. It came with Oreo and it still has Oreo. With the experiences you guys are describing, I'm glad it didn't do a massive OS update (just the usual security updates, etc.) I set that up before I went to work, the OS update would have made that a no-go.

Still trying to weigh up whether I prefer iOS or Android but there's so many variables....

I prefer the way iOS doesn't phone home anywhere near as much as Android

I hate the way Googles news feed is pretty much a bunch of adverts with a couple of lines of news squeezed into the ad stream every now and again.

I like the "more control" aspect of Android

I hate Androids confusing  "permissions" system .. it's kinda like KDE with so many options and variables you easily get lost and don't know what permissions you gave to what, and how they interact with permissions for something else.

I like the way Apple are on top of updates and therefore security .. although I'm hoping as a top tier Android phone I'll get regular "enough" updates (at least for the first couple of years).

I hate the way I can't uninstall some third party stuff in Android, such as Fekbook, etc. .. only never sign in, and 'hide' it .. but it's still there doing god knows what.

Same for me. Add to that that an iPhone 8 is still around the $800 mark, where my Moto G6 was $200 with 64GB of memory and 4GB RAM. (an upgrade over the standard G6)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on February 23, 2019, 08:33:02 pm
I hate the way I can't uninstall some third party stuff in Android, such as Fekbook, etc. .. only never sign in, and 'hide' it .. but it's still there doing god knows what.

You might be able to disable it, or force stop it.  But I know what you mean.  There's a lot of bloatware on these Android phones. ::)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on February 24, 2019, 03:06:19 am
It's the manufacturers that put all that bloat on there. Then they lock the phone so you can't uninstall it without rooting the phone. Of course, you risk bricking it by doing that.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 24, 2019, 08:22:16 am
Geez, sounds like you guys are having no fun

On the contrary, from the little of Oreo I experienced, Pie 'feels' like a big improvement .. as John says. it's certainly prettier, but it also feels 'smother' (though please don't ask me to define 'smoother', it's just a general overall 'feeling') :)

And yeah, I'm not really up for risking a £700+ phone by 'rooting' just yet .. though eventually I probably will, I'll at least wait until it doesn't look so brand new and super shiny (which could be anywhere from next week, to years from now if Corning are to be believed) ;)

Quote from: perknh
You might be able to disable it, or force stop it

Yeah I can do that, but recent events make me wonder exactly how effective that actually is .. I'd prefer the option to be able to REMOVE it altogether.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on February 24, 2019, 06:27:43 pm
One thing I did like and that surprised me about iOS is how you can remove preinstalled apps. If only every OS was that way. ::)

On the contrary, from the little of Oreo I experienced, Pie 'feels' like a big improvement .. as John says. it's certainly prettier, but it also feels 'smother' (though please don't ask me to define 'smoother', it's just a general overall 'feeling') :)

I wouldn't know, Oreo is the latest I can apparently have. It's all up to Motorola to let me install a newer version (or not.) It seems to work fine, though.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 25, 2019, 06:53:26 am
I thought it was more up to your service provider than the phone manufacturer ?

Which is something else I prefer about iPhones .. their updates cut out the middle man and are direct from Apple, so you keep getting REGULAR updates for probably longer than you'll keep your phone .. for example my old hand-me-down 4+ year old iPhone 6 still got updates every few weeks (including the latest iOS version).

I gather that's unheard of in the Android world, with even top tier phones only getting maybe 3 years and a couple of Android versions if you're lucky (basically BECAUSE they have to be released by your service provider who has no financial incentive to put in work that keeps you on an old phone).

Android's update system is awful by comparison .. I understand the (market economics) reasoning behind it, but it's still awful.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on February 25, 2019, 09:55:35 am
I thought it was more up to your service provider than the phone manufacturer ?

My phone was an unlocked phone that I bought on Amazon. I just pulled the SIM card out of my iPhone and put it in the Moto G6. So, as that's the only connection the phone has to my service provider, I'm assuming the updates and what not are coming from Motorola. After all, they're the only ones who can be sure the updates will work with the phone. Also, I booted up the iPhone the other day to test something with the camera and it said an iOS update is available, even though the phone is off my plan.

But, I could also be wrong about this. I don't know as much about phones as I do computers.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 25, 2019, 10:08:03 am
Yeah unlocked Android phones (that don't come with service provider modified Android) might be different .. but even the hardware manufacturer seem to have little incentive to keep pushing updates.

Apple on the other hand just keep pushing them until your phone dies (and beyond, nothing to do with contract length if it's connected via wireless it'll still update) .. or until the latest iOS version brings your old iPhone to its knees .. this is a great way of ensuring iPhones after market value is maintained making them appear more of a 'luxury' product. Very smart marketing by Apple if you ask me, and not something that costs them much as most will want to get a new one anyway when their contract is up .. people on a budget might buy the old ones, but they're not 'lost customers' (wouldn't have bought a new one anyway) as much as 'people perpetuating the luxury myth'.

Android on the other hand have become 'bin it after 3 years' disposable phones because of their update model .. where even a top tier phone is pretty worthless valueless after 3 years.

It may be hard to argue the iPhone X price is too high by comparison to a top tier Android phone when you'll likely recover a good chunk of the initial outlay when you come to sell it at the end of your contract, where your top tier Android phone cost you only two thirds the money but is pretty valueless at the end of your contract.

Swings and roundabouts, apples and oranges, Linux and Windows (okay maybe that last one wasn't a great metaphor :)))....
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: dullblade2 on February 25, 2019, 01:30:58 pm
I have an old (4 year) unlocked huawei snapto-model G620-A2 running  Android 4.4.4 which is my daily driver and has held up remarkably well although it does not get any updates at all.  It was maybe $150 at Micron center.
Number two back up is a ( 2-3 year old) Sony Experia unlocked  D6503 Z2 running Android 4.4.2 and is my 'pretty' phone with a good camera.Pawn shop special, maybe $180.  It tells me that it has all the updates it needs and everything is peachy keen-    never offers any updates
Number three back up ( because I'm anal and cannot resist new toys) is a (1 yr.old) Nokia 6 unlocked model TA-1025 running Android 8.1 originally, but has upgraded itself (with my permission) to Android 9, security update as of Feb 1, 2019.  Purchased it at Best Buy for $219 or so. I am letting google have it's way with me to see how far it will go.  Not sure where the updates are coming from.
All three are happily running on consumer cellular for about $60 a month.  All three seem to be all there and everything is operational.   I have replaced batt. in Huawei snapto once and I had some hiccups with sending text photos with the Sony, but a very nice person at consumer cellular helped to resolve that issue- the Sony was the 'international' version.   The Nokia is the biggest one and I find myself using it more.  I installed 'Flipboard" to keep up with the latest news.  I access gmail with any of them.  I have FF browser snyched across all three as well as two laptops, so there is a little redundancy there if one breaks or gets stolen.
So....this, my friends is how I have handled the expensive phone situation, and contract sh*t.  No expensive phones, no contracts. and no necessity to have the latest flagship with a million things I do not need.  How long this will be a workable strategy, IDK.   I would love to hear how others have dealt with the high-handed phone sellers and mobile phone telcos.   So far, so good.   :)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 25, 2019, 02:49:52 pm
Don't ask me .. this time I went down the "million things I don't need, but damn that screen is gorgeous and it does Linux on DeX" route :))

Not to mention BIG .. handy with ageing eye-sight and a need to have continuous access to VPS logins (via certificate authenticated OpenVPN tunnels of course) at all times.
(note taking on this Note 9 is also pretty damn intuitive and handy too .. ageing brain as well I guess ;))



Am I trying to justify it to myself ? .. possibly, but did I mention the screen and Linux on DeX ;)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on February 25, 2019, 06:29:22 pm
Yeah unlocked Android phones (that don't come with service provider modified Android) might be different .. but even the hardware manufacturer seem to have little incentive to keep pushing updates.

Like I said, I'm not sure how these things work in that area with phones. Maybe there's some kind of an Android repository where Google pushes updates to and the phones just download that.

I wouldn't even have a smartphone if I didn't ride a bus to and from work. I'd just rock it like this:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Walmart-Family-Mobile-Alcatel-MyFlip-Prepaid-Phone/975630799
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on February 25, 2019, 09:27:45 pm
It's hard to go back to a basic cell phone after having a smartphone.  It wasn't so long ago when everyone had a basic cell phone.  Then smartphones and smartphone plans got less and less expensive.  My carrier (Boost Mobile) has a basic cell phone plan for $25 a month, or you can have smartphone plan for $30. (The smartphone itself only cost $25 at Walmart)  With the basic cell phone you would need to buy a card from a buggy service if you had to make international calls; but with smartphone, all you need to do is download a free app the matches the app of the person you're calling -- and that app will most likely be WhatsApp  -- from Facebook, I'm sorry to say.  ::)

A few years ago Boost Mobile stopped allowing basic text messages from a weather service to get the forecast for the day; but with a smartphone, you've got weather.com, or a number of similar apps just like it, at you fingertips.  There's also driving instructions with Google maps, and the apps actually works -- and it works well!  And what about multi-factor authentication for some of our important accounts on the computer?  One site requires one app for 2FA, while another site requires another.  Good lord, our gooses are cooked here.  Little by little we're all being compelled to own a smartphone.

All this said, I miss the simplicity of my basic cell phone at times too.  I've made a couple of failed attempts to go back to it too.  When I see these conversations here, I'd like to try again.  But, realistically speaking, I don't see what would be gained by doing so now.  The only thing I can think to do is remove as many nuisance apps as you can to help keep a smartphone as simple as possible.

P.S.

I forgot all about Google Pay, Apple Pay, and Walmart Pay.   More and more people have their credit cards linked to theirs phones.  And, pretty soon, our driver's licenses (and insurance policies) will be linked to our phones too.

Digital driver’s licenses: States are ditching plastic for technology

By Craig Johnson (https://clark.com/voices/craig-johnson/) for Clark

https://clark.com/cars/digital-drivers-licenses/

Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: dullblade2 on February 26, 2019, 09:57:25 am
there's never going to be a perfect solution to all this fragmentation of devices and apps.  But most of the functions we want seem to have achieved some sort of loose convergence.1.  you can text easily and "Share" to a variety of online venues and in a variety of ways- even with photos & multi-recipient texts-2.  a lot of folks 'facetime' with video apps, although I do not use that-I have a great face for radio.3.  some of us want to gravitate toward bigger screens for easier 'touching' and easier viewing4.  I would like to go back to the 'Palm' interface in some ways-  We have never achieved the total integration of the mobile platform with the desktop or laptop platform.  Ubuntu, FF, et al have all tried it without success.Since the hegemony of M$ (Gate's benighted vision) has given way to the 'Balkanization' of the Android eco-system which I would not even call an eco-system, there seems to be an un-ending number of ways to do things, but the more ways we have to communicate, the less real communicating we do. 
The real problem is a lack of adequate documentation and validation of new apps.  Ratings are a joke.  And how many apps are enough? 
Peppermint has come the closest for me to integrate all the various pieces.  I would put it on my phone if I could.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: spence on February 26, 2019, 11:03:43 am
My contract runs out this year and I was just reading on the Techaeris page https://mewe.com/page/5bd8bed8a40f301d8a4970f6 (https://mewe.com/page/5bd8bed8a40f301d8a4970f6) on MeWe that the Samsung Galaxy S10 will come with McAfee preinstalled... which might make me jump  & leave the Samsung Galaxies behind... I like the look and feel of the Nokia 7+ and it's available cheaply & unlocked... https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-7-plus (https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-7-plus)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: pin on February 26, 2019, 12:06:18 pm
Wasn't Nokia bought by Microsoft??
Maybe one should just go back to a plain 'phone', I'm starting to miss those... McAfee pre-installed  :o
Thx, but no thx  ;)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: dullblade2 on February 26, 2019, 12:21:34 pm
 :) I think Nokia is back on their own now.........
one reason I wanted to get rid of contract phones and go to unlocked phones is that:              you are locked to that carrier and locked to that phone, not to mention that the data plans are more expensive.         with an unlocked phone, you are on your own, as far as liability, unless you find some other ins. policy but if the phone does not cost you an arm and a leg to buy, then replacing it is somewhat easier.
         New models are constantly coming into the marketplace and there are not just 100 0r 200 phones, but probably at least a couple of thousand phones,,,,,,,,,,so,,,,,,,,,upgrading is a lot easier and you can pick the 'features' you would like to have.  You have the choice of any phone, not just the ones that your carrier is offering.   In addition, if you can live without the so-called "flagship" phone which actually has a very short shelf life, you will find that there are quite a few very high quality phones available.  It is a very volatile market.

This does have one caveat though- to make this strategy work, you should get a GSM phone, not a CDMA phone.   You can easily swap out the little sim card in GSM phones even if you travel to far off lands.  Sprint and Verizon are CDMA-you want to avoid them like the plague, and anyhow CDMA is primarily in the US....very little CDMA in the rest of the world.   T-Mobile and AT&T are GSM phones which is the main standard for the rest of the world.   Most phones can be obtained with either (or sometimes both) technologies.   

well, it does come down to personal preference and whatever works for you, but I was just happy to get away from feeling 'captive' to a phone telco that sold me an overpriced phone to begin with, then discounted it if I paid them $1800-$2400 per year for service.  Your call.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: pin on February 26, 2019, 02:28:27 pm
Like everything else (tech)...
...I'm still running a Samsung Galaxy S5.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 26, 2019, 02:44:48 pm
Maybe one should just go back to a plain 'phone', I'm starting to miss those...

One and/or both   ;D

Besides my newly acquired Google Fi Moto X4 (https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-x-gen-4-android-one) smarty...

I carry three (3) Sammy Factor (https://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/factor-boost-mobile) 'drop phones' (connected to single Boost Mobile account), when I'm on the trot.

Boost Mobile was originally designed to be used in criminal street drug deals - still is. No, I'm not a drug dealer, but the features come in handy for legitimate uses, too.

Without getting into all of the illegitimate uses - Boost Mobile makes it stupid simple to "Swap Devices".


(http://vindsl.com/images/boost-mobile-device-swap.png)


Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

Put another way, I carry four (4) phones, on my person - Snow White and the Three Dwarfs  8)

That said, I've been put on notice that Boost Mobile is going to start doing away with this 'drop phone service' in April, 2019. They'll provide me with one (1) free smarty (https://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-SP200-Sprint-tribute-dynasty) to make amends.

I really don't want to carry around four (4) smarties, but... we'll take it a step at a time.

Alas, technology will always fail you, in the end.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 26, 2019, 03:08:53 pm
I like the look and feel of the Nokia 7+ [...]

Say Cheeeese... (https://www.pcmag.com/news/366573/say-cheese-the-nokia-9-pureview-has-5-cameras)   ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 26, 2019, 03:47:45 pm
I was rereading that Nokia 9 presser, and something popped out at me...

Quote
Like most flagships of late, the Nokia 9 is a glass sandwich wrapped around an aluminum frame.

My Moto X4 is 'wrapped in glass'. It's unbelievably slick, and begging to be dropped and shattered/chipped.

"Hey, YOU, stupid. Come on, pussy. KILL ME! I dare you..."  :-[

I don't have the time or inclination to provide a 24/7 suicide watch for my phones.

I've put this "glass sandwich wrapped" phone in hiding, until my goto Poetic Revolution gorilla cage (https://www.poeticcases.com/products/revolution-2017-motorola-moto-x4-case?variant=12214071853133) arrives.

More times than not, I 'butt carry' phones, and end up sitting on them, smashing them in rock-hard airplane seats, et cetera.

Just curious; do you guys use any protection, or just take your chances?
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: pin on February 26, 2019, 04:11:44 pm
Nope, no protection here  :D
Seriously, I don't know how many times I've dropped my phone. Somehow, it always lands with the glass side Up  :-\
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 26, 2019, 04:30:10 pm
Good god, the smartphone manufactures seem to have run out of ideas and are now embarked on a 'who can pack in the most cameras' war ::)

What the $%^& is the point of 5 rear cameras ? .. I have no doubt they'll come up with some meaningless marketing blurb, but really ?
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on February 26, 2019, 04:34:32 pm
Quote
Just curious; do you guys use any protection, or just take your chances? -- VinDSL


Nope, no protection here

Same here.  I used to, but I got tired of buying cases and shields all of the time.  Going bareback for myself, though I still buy protective cases for mrs.perknh's phones.  Besides, it's so much easier to carry a phone in your pocket without all that stuff added onto it.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 26, 2019, 09:49:07 pm
LoL Google Fi. What did I get myself into?!?!?

Google Fi customers will get 5G from Sprint's network (https://www.techradar.com/news/google-fi-customers-will-get-5g-from-sprints-network?utm_source=veooz&utm_medium=referral)   :D

According to Signal Spy (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.novvia.fispy&hl=en), my phone has been using a nearby T-Mobile tower, here at the abode.

Looks like I'll be going full circle back to Sprint/Boost Mobile towers, when 5G becomes available.

Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 27, 2019, 02:52:05 am
When 5G becomes available expect websites to become even more bloated .. no benefit to those on 5G, and treacle for everyone else.

I'm such a cynic :)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on February 27, 2019, 03:48:15 am
What the $%^& is the point of 5 rear cameras ?

Right. The Samsung Galaxy Note 10 will only have four rear cameras (https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-will-have-four-rear-cameras-26-02-2019/?utm_source=veooz&utm_medium=referral)   ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on February 27, 2019, 05:12:52 am
https://www.howtogeek.com/349408/why-do-some-smartphones-use-multiple-cameras/

A little light reading on the subject. It boils down to the cameras do different things.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 27, 2019, 06:28:52 am
Yeah I get the idea of say having say a separate normal and macro lensed sensor (because it'd be difficult to have interchangeable lenses) .. basically if it were phased correctly it'd be a "single camera with 2 sensors each with their own fixed lens"

But that 5 camera phone said something about some of them being monochrome so when combined you get more detail .. that's the gibberish I'm having difficulty seeing as anything other than "look at us, we have more cameras than you" .. basically because they've all run out of fresh ideas and now it's the marketing department driving the design.

You watch, someone will now do a six camera phone, and come up with some gibberish why its better and an absolutely necessity .. bullsh**
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on February 27, 2019, 07:17:05 am
Mine has two rear camera lenses. Based on the apertures, it looks like one is for closeups. More than two is too many, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: dullblade2 on February 27, 2019, 09:39:15 am
 ::)    what I am hearing from the much younger and fairly tech savvy folk is they are 'tired' of carrying their phones and want them to be implanted in their arms somehow.?   All of you Luddites better get up with the times. Maybe they will add several more cameras and implant them in their forehead as a kind of third eye'.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: pin on February 27, 2019, 09:48:50 am
Here in Stockholm there's a company where employes no longer have keys or access cards to enter the office.
Instead, they have an implanted chip under the skin on their hands.
Up to everyones imagination, what else that chip can be used for!
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 27, 2019, 02:17:35 pm
So cameras in the forehead and chips that broadcast .. sounds like a voyeurs dream :o

I think I'm happy to stay a Luddite .. the world's going nuts :)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on February 27, 2019, 04:23:01 pm
When 5G becomes available expect websites to become even more bloated .. no benefit to those on 5G, and treacle for everyone else.

I'm such a cynic :)

Gmail is already running like cold molasses on our large laptop.  And, according to the news (which is often about Huawei), 5G is a security nightmare. ::)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 03:20:29 pm
Installed the new Microsoft Edge browser (with Bing Search) on my smarty, today.

My Reddit post w/pic (https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX4/comments/bbpv2f/microsoft_edge_app_on_moto_x4_a1/) - Easier than reposting it here  :)

The $%#! Google Search widget is pinned at the bottom, by default, on Android 9 'Pie'.

Nothing I can do about that, except ignore it...  ::)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on April 10, 2019, 04:37:28 pm
Installed the new Microsoft Edge browser (with Bing Search) on my smarty, today.

My Reddit post w/pic (https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX4/comments/bbpv2f/microsoft_edge_app_on_moto_x4_a1/) - Easier than reposting it here  :)

The $%#! Google Search widget is pinned at the bottom, by default, on Android 9 'Pie'.

Nothing I can do about that, except ignore it...  ::)

Nice looking, VinDSL.  And that's on your Moto E4 -- and it's running Pie, and all for 40 buckaroos?  Wow, VinDSL, you're doing all right with that phone! :)

PS

Sorry.  I looked at the picture of the phone, but didn't read it.  It's a Moto X4, not an E4.  My goodness, they sure look a lot alike. ;)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 10, 2019, 06:15:35 pm
The $%#! Google Search widget is pinned at the bottom, by default, on Android 9 'Pie'.

It's not a "Pie" thang .. I can remove that Google widget from the homescreen of my Sammy which is runnin Pie.

So I'm assuming it's a stock/aftermarket 'launcher' thang.

Not that I'd wanna replace it with Bing .. which feels like swapping crap for a turd.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: scifidude79 on April 10, 2019, 06:29:23 pm
DuckDuckGo all the way. :D

Usually, widgets can be removed from your home screen. When they can't, that's on the phone maker for locking that in for you. Don't you love them? ::)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on April 10, 2019, 08:22:51 pm
There must be some way to put an open source, stock Android launcher on the phone -- something like Launcher<3 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jasonkung.launcher3&hl=en_US) that's based on Google's AOSP.  That launcher, as well as any of the AOSP launchers, lets you hide Google's Quick Search.  Might Nova Launcher (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher) support Pie while letting you hide Quick Search?  That I don't know since I'm stuck with Marshmallow on my LG Tribute. I also have Peppermint's DDG as my homepage for Brave browser on the phone.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 08:55:18 pm
I looked at the picture of the phone, but didn't read it.  It's a Moto X4, not an E4.  My goodness, they sure look a lot alike. ;)

Good eye, bro!  ;D

You know, I think most of my machines are older than the kids on that web site (Reddit). Seriously.

You're the only person that noticed the Moto E4 wall. I did that on purpose. LoL

The stock Moto X4 walls - like most Android walls - bored me to tears. ZZZzzzzzz

I surfed the web for days, looking for a suitable replacement, but I couldn't find anything I liked more than the stock Moto E4 wall. It makes me happy, so I downloaded the stock E4 walls and installed them on my X4.

Anyway, thanks for noticing it. You've restored my faith in humanity.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 09:01:39 pm
It's not a "Pie" thang .. I can remove that Google widget from the homescreen of my Sammy which is runnin Pie.

So I'm assuming it's a stock/aftermarket 'launcher' thang.

Not that I'd wanna replace it with Bing .. which feels like swapping crap for a turd.

Correct. It a Motorola X4 launcher thang, and it drives most X4 users crazy. I just block it out of my mind.

And, yes, Bing and Google Search are both crappy, but Bing is less stinky IMO, so...
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 09:18:28 pm
Might Nova Launcher (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher) support Pie while letting you hide Quick Search?

Right, that's what the kids on reddit recommend, but from what I've read, the Nova launcher introduces quirks of its own in other areas, once one navigates away from the home screen.

Like I said above, I just [remove] it from my mind, instead of my home screen. It's no worse than someone farting in a crowded bus. You're better off just ignoring it, than getting off at the next stop, or bitching about it for the rest of the ride.

Only real way to get rid of it is by rooting your phone, going into dev mode, and deleting it. Next update - it's comes rolling back in though.

Anyway, it's all good. Maybe Motorola will get tired of all the complaining, but I doubt it. They're probably making money off pinning it to the bottom of home.  Good luck with that... ::)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 09:30:33 pm
I'm stuck with Marshmallow on my LG Tribute.

Hey, how do you like that phone?

Boost Mobile is going to cancel my drop-phone service, in a couple of months. I have three (3) of them. They want to give me a Tribute, for free, or $50 credit toward something else... to ween me off the flip phone service.

I was thinking about taking them up on the free Tribute.

The nice thing about Boost Mobile is, you can switch devices in seconds, on their dashboard. So, I could always switch to the Moto E4, if I don't like it, or ahem 'lose' the Tribute.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on April 10, 2019, 10:56:28 pm
I like it, VinDSL, but Marshmallow is becoming dated.  I picked it up for $25 at Walmart, and the next day they dropped the price to $16!  Mind you I'm talking about the Tribute and not the Tribute Dynasty -- which needs a different charger and runs Nouget. 

I particularly liked the Tribute because it was affordable and because it easily fits in my pocket.  Boost gave me the same spiel that I needed to replace my old Sprint flip phone with a newer phone and plan.  Since we're carrying 4 phones, I asked to moved to the new plan for 4 phones for $100 a month.  With autopay the price then drops to $95.  I always try to get customer service with the Filipinos early Sunday mornings Eastern time if possible.  IMO they're the best when it comes to customer service with Boost Mobile.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2019, 11:10:19 pm
I'm talking about the Tribute and not the Tribute Dynasty -- which needs a different charger and runs Nouget [...] 

I always try to get customer service with the Filipinos early Sunday mornings Eastern time if possible.  IMO they're the best when it comes to customer service with Boost Mobile.

Oh, okay. It IS a Dynasty...


Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
Regarding mobile number ending in

Dear Boost Mobile Customer,
You are receiving this notification because the device associated with the above phone number will be impacted by a device Network update that will be made on April 30, 2019, to the system that programs this device for service.

The impacted device on your account, regarding this change, can be identified through the following link boostmobile.com/mydevices. This associated device is impacted due to its age and design.

What this means to you after April 30, 2019:
If your device is already active on the Network (turned on and in use), it will continue to work, but the following changes will no longer be possible:

• Re-activation (Master resets will render the device inoperable. A master reset is initiated by entering the following on the phone’s keypad: “##RTN#” or “##786#").

• Subscriber/profile information changes – you can’t swap phone numbers on this device

• Preferred roaming list (PRL) updates. A PRL is important because it tells your device what towers to use. Since your device won’t be able to get an updated PRL, over time you may experience irregular service if changes are made to the Network in your area.

If your device is not currently active on the Network, you will no longer be able to reactivate it.

To help, Boost is offering you a FREE LG Tribute Dynasty™ while supplies last or up to $50 for a phone upgrade. To redeem the phone offer, you must visit a Boost Mobile store and present this email. Use code when processing transaction. Other important details: This offer is valid until May 15, 2019. Set up fee up to $25 may apply. In addition, upgrading your device may require a rate plan change at the time of the device upgrade. Finally, this offer is exclusively for the recipient, is non-transferable and cannot be redeemed or exchanged for cash, credit, or other merchandise.

We apologize for any inconvenience you experience as a result of this change.
Sincerely,
Boost Mobile
[close]

Good to know about the Filipino support. Thx  ;)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on April 11, 2019, 06:13:03 am
The Tribute Dynasty is an excellent phone too.  Its sole issue is with its battery life.  It was selling here in New Hampshire at BestBuy a couple a weeks ago for $40.

This (https://www.boostmobile.com/plans/4-for-100.html?INTCID=HP:Hero:ISW:Plan:All:4for100Plan-Web-InStore) is the offer I got for $100 ($95 with autopay).  It has a couple of catches, though.  They want you to be new to Boost, so you've got to wrestle them a bit over that in order to get the offer.  Also the plan doesn't support any flip phone whatsoever.  I don't really like Google Android knowing EVERYTHING I'm doing, but the plan will only work with smarties (and I'm not an iPhone guy yet). ::)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on April 12, 2019, 06:35:06 am
@VinDSL

Might Nova Launcher (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher) support Pie while letting you hide Quick Search?

Right, that's what the kids on reddit recommend, but from what I've read, the Nova launcher introduces quirks of its own in other areas, once one navigates away from the home screen.

I should mention this one too, VinDSL.  It's about as minimalist a launcher as you can get.  And it's got a better privacy policy policy IMO than Nova Launcher too.  I know it supports Oreo.  Might it also support Pie?  That I don't know.  Anyway, it's called Launcher Tria.  And, believe me, a launcher doesn't get more minimalist than this. ;)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.outis.launcher3
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on April 12, 2019, 04:42:58 pm
Thx, I'll check that out, perk.   :)








Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 03, 2019, 03:43:46 am

I forgot all about Google Pay, Apple Pay, and Walmart Pay.   More and more people have their credit cards linked to theirs phones.  And, pretty soon, our driver's licenses (and insurance policies) will be linked to our phones too.

Digital driver’s licenses: States are ditching plastic for technology

By Craig Johnson (https://clark.com/voices/craig-johnson/) for Clark

https://clark.com/cars/digital-drivers-licenses/


They'll have to give me one of these smart phones, if your driving license is going on them, cause I cannot use them and find the old Nokia phones with inbuilt keyboard, no problem to use. Plus I'm not inundated with updates and ping noises going off all the time. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people, who do not own a smart phone and would prefer not to. So moving away from the traditional, of carrying your licence in your wallet, is just stupid. When the whole world's documentation, from people's banking info, Medical info and everything else financial, went digital. There is no longer a paper backup, the only source for your Doctor to get your notes, is to print them up, from the main site. That to me is dumb. Scientists have been closely monitoring solar flares, they predict that we are due one. If a massive one hit us, there'll be no power, planes would fall from the sky, cars would cease to run.

Sorry for the complete horrendous downer I just put you on, but if you're like me and don't get me wrong, I love technology, but when this, or I should say if this happens, the world will never get back to normal again and for all the survivors, there will be no proof of who they are, no paper trail left, no computers, Super Computers obliterated.  But on a lighter note, this hopefully won't happen in our life time. ;D Sorry but as much as I like technology, the mistakes or the wrong decisions that Man or Woman makes, without looking ahead first and as a species, we look at history, to not make the same mistakes, but somehow we do. :(
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 03, 2019, 03:57:39 am
Zero paper trail eh .. oh please let it happen in my lifetime :)

Think of the possibilities if nobody knows who anyone is .. to be fair they'd have to share out all wealth equally, and the entire system would be reset :)

Problem is you can bet your bottom dollar the elite already have a system in place to protect their wealth and power :(
(but they'd have to run and hide, as they'd not know who were coming for them :)))
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 03, 2019, 04:13:07 am
Zero paper trail eh .. oh please let it happen in my lifetime :)

Think of the possibilities if nobody knows who anyone is .. to be fair they'd have to share out all wealth equally, and the entire system would be reset :)

Slavery would be back again, as governments of the world fall into total disarray, the Earth's alinement's out of sink, causing Britain and probably the whole of Europe, to have Earthquakes, tsunamis, the air we breathe could be toxic, or full of radiation. But yeah trying to reset the world, everyone having to give up their time to help others in need, whilst battling the elements. In fact this would make a good film, or a computer game.  ;D   
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 03, 2019, 04:25:48 am
This world is in serious need of a fresh install :)

[EDIT]

Oh, and can we have an open source 'operating system' instead of a proprietary one this time around please ?
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 03, 2019, 04:51:22 am
The problem is, would money even exist anymore? If say the solar flare was world wide and the Earth's axis had shifted off, to such a degree, wondering if the moon's gravitational pull would take extreme effect? Everyone would be concentrating on surviving, such devastation as a solar flare is a magnetic pulse, if you have a old video tape and you put it next to a very powerful magnet, it wipes off the video tape, so a solar flare does the same thing, but with horrific consequences. Of course it has to be a trillion times worse, than that of 1859 and how to prepare for a EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse)

https://www.backdoorsurvival.com/prepping-for-an-emp-and-solar-flares/

This site tells us everything in more detail.    ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: clatterfordslim on May 03, 2019, 04:55:53 am
This world is in serious need of a fresh install :)

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Oh, and can we have an open source 'operating system' instead of a proprietary one this time around please ?

Yeah definitely, a Open Source OS, you'll have to make sure you survive Mark, make Peppermint world wide. ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 03, 2019, 05:19:56 am
I meant 'operating system' kinda metaphorically ..

Open source 'operating system' == transparent form of governmental and socio-economic systems , that can be easily user modified.

Proprietary 'operating system' == the intentionally opaque governmental and socio-economic systems (controlled by the few) we have now.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on May 03, 2019, 06:17:56 am
Zero paper trail eh .. oh please let it happen in my lifetime :)

Yes! :)


I meant 'operating system' kinda metaphorically ..

Open source 'operating system' == transparent form of governmental and socio-economic systems , that can be easily user modified.

Proprietary 'operating system' == the intentionally opaque governmental and socio-economic systems (controlled by the few) we have now.

You're on a roll this morning, PCNetSpec...Again, yes!  :) :)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 03, 2019, 12:04:37 pm
:)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on May 07, 2019, 07:58:30 pm
Problem is you can bet your bottom dollar the elite already have a system in place to protect their wealth and power

Yup, they already do. It's called cryptocurrency.

It's only a matter of time, and state-controlled fiat currency will go the way of the Dodo bird...  ;)
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 08, 2019, 04:36:03 am
Yeah replace one scam currency with another .. sounds about right.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: perknh on May 20, 2019, 08:05:14 am
More big open source news out of Asia.  (The other news being South Korea's governments decision to possibly move from Windows to Linux.)  I know for me personally, the Trump administration's yo-yoing on ZTE, which is another Chinese phone manufacturer, has caused my cell phone carrier (Boost Mobile) to pretty much discontinue the brand.  We also happen to own two perfectly fine ZTE phones!  What a headache!! :-\

As for Huawei, I personally like the Android Open Source Project (AOSP).  I frequently use Jason Kung's Launcher <3 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jasonkung.launcher3) on my own phone which is based on AOSP, and I have installed it on a friend's phone too.  It's an excellent launcher.  It's in the same basic camp as Google Now (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.launcher) -- which I'm currently using now, and of which Google has stopped development.  These are basic stock Android launchers.  They're simple to use, and, in my opinion, still the best.

My greatest concern, of course, is that this trade war with China could potentially lead to real war if the two nations are not very careful here.  My other and more likely concern is that the Internet will be becoming more and more balkanized.  It could become less Inter as time moves on.  The World Wide Web, which in my understanding is built upon the Internet (https://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Internet/Web_vs_Internet.asp), may possibly become less world wide, or universal, over time.  Neither of these possibilities would be any darn good.

Google pulls Huawei’s Android license, forcing it to use open source version

By T.C. Sottek for The Verge

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18631558/google-huawei-android-suspension


P.S.

If you're interested in this topic and in learning a little more about the United States' concerns about Huawei, genuine and alleged, can be found here (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/20/tech/huawei-google-android/index.html).
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on July 20, 2019, 11:15:36 am
If you're an Android Pie phone user...

I just posted a DNS over TLS (DoT) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_over_TLS) tute on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX4/comments/cfma50/howto_enable_private_dns_over_tls_dot_on_moto_x4/

I thought there might be some Pie users here, too, that are interested in securing their phones over untrusted communication channels, such as public WiFi in hotels, airports, coffee shops, and so forth. 

Personally, I leave DoT running all the time.


(http://vindsl.com/images/DoT_on_Moto_X4.png)


TUTORIAL LINK: https://blog.cloudflare.com/enable-private-dns-with-1-1-1-1-on-android-9-pie/

TEST LINK: https://1.1.1.1/help

Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on July 20, 2019, 02:57:15 pm
Oh, my. Look what I ran across (for the 'Road Warrior') : https://github.com/gortcodex/dnscrypt-loader

I need to access the same untrusted communication channels, with my lappy, when I'm on the trot...






Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 20, 2019, 03:10:12 pm
How about stubby:
https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-stubby-dns-over-tls
and
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-dns-over-tls-on-ubuntu-linux/
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: VinDSL on July 20, 2019, 03:22:49 pm
The name comes to mind.

Seems like I tried stubby, but didn't care for it.

I'll have to do a Google Search and see if AI remembers what I said...


EDIT

Good ol' AI: https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,5945.msg83559.html#msg83559   ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: clatterfordslim on July 22, 2019, 03:28:33 am
I only tried Oreo for a couple of days, but Pie felt 'smoother' .. that said it could just be me getting familiar with Android again.

Pie is much smoother, that's what came with my Ulefone p6000, free sim went to my local O2 shop and they transferred for free my number over to a very tiny nano sim card and this phone can hold two Sim cards or one Sim card with up to 128GB storage card, all held in a slot, instead of taking the back off. My case finally came Saturday 13th July, I sent off for it on the 27th June, won't be buying from them again. What I love about this version of Android is the apps you open can be closed very easily, by swiping up and hitting the cross, it then tells you how much memory has been released, after closing apps. This phone is a quad core with 3GB of Ram and is 64bit. Another thing I like is the fact that I have no problem typing anymore, like I did with my Samsung Galaxy Young 2, it was that phone that put me off of these modern phones, but so glad I bought this phone. You have a choice of circle or square icons and a few home screen layouts too. Comes with two camera lenses, both on the front and the picture quality is really good, will find a subject like a bowl of fruit to take picture of, it can also record film, plus already installed is a screen recorder like simple-screen-recorder, for reviewers I guess? I will have to dig deeper into this phone, just to see what else I can do. for £99.98 Pounds 125.08 USD or some sites are saying 124.82 USD What to believe? You get a hell of a lot. Battery life, have only charged it once and that was last week, it's down to 86% happy boy I am.   ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: pin on July 22, 2019, 07:10:30 am
Android is no longer what it used to be  :'(
Damn google's "mamma boy" that calls home once every 3 minutes to let her know what you're doing  >:(

I'm seriously considering an iphone for the first time ever!!
Yes, I know overpriced, but it calls home much, much less. Actually, I'm considering a "phone" like 10 years ago  ;)
Only issue I need to solve is how to get my digital-ID working without a smart phone  :-\ ...banks here support Windows or Apple, the phone has been my "backdoor", allowing me to use my bank through Linux and BSD.

For those of us in Europe, I wonder how long the european antitrust policy (http://ec.europa.eu/competition/antitrust/overview_en.html) will remain with their eyes shut?

Sorry, but I'm beginning to like paid services. Google came with their "free"-stuff and wiped out the competition, now there's almost impossible to disable Google from your life.
Although, even paying for it is not safe. Take Netflix, for example, you pay for it but you can't use it without google's stupid widevine-lib. You might say, "yeah, but widevine is free to fetch and use". No, its not! Its a closed source binary blob compiled against GlibC. For those of us running systems with another C-library, there's no Netflix without a serious work around, https://www.unitedbsd.com/d/68-streaming-netflix-on-netbsd

Sad but true... and, worst of all, people accept this s**t  >:(
There's more to it, but I'm done for now...
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: clatterfordslim on July 23, 2019, 06:14:34 am
It used to be that Google is your friend and in most cases that is true. Android Pie is less bothersome to you than it is in Android 8. A lot of people said to me instead of buying a new phone, upgrade the firmware on your Galaxy Young 2. The problem there is the hardware is out of date and cannot be upgraded and that is where a lot of businesses fail.

The Council here on the Isle of Wight are using 2011 Android phones, which with the software that the Council are using on them is the latest. Problem being though is the firmware and the hardware, the modern software they've put on them does not run properly and in most cases they end up losing money because of it. They spent God knows how much money on these Motorola phones, that are completely out of date and utter useless. So now they are going to reinvest in new phones. Not only that but some bright spark, thought it would be a good idea not to have CCTV services anymore.

The point I'm trying to make is yes having all this tech do the job for you, to make it easier on the user and sometimes if not all the time pure and utter laziness, on the workers part and yes I know it speeds up creativity and getting the end product out. When you're relying on tech to work for you 24 hours a day, seven days a week (Not like The Beatles Song with eight) three hundred and sixty five days a year, stating the obvious here you have to get it right first time. The people the Council got these phones off of and the tech department who wrote the software, did not test these phones properly, before handing them out or in this case selling them to the Council.

Lots of mistakes made in this tech world and it comes down to mainly communication. You can bet your bottom dollar that the tech team behind these phones for the Council had said to the Council or their tech supervisor that these phones are not ready, in fact the software on them keeps crashing and we can't sell them like this. Or words to that effect or affect. But  they still managed to, knowing that they will fail, crash and burn baby.

How many other businesses have failed because of software crashes I wonder?

Back to Google yes trying to live without the huge world wide search engine that is Google is hard, but there are many alternatives Duck-Duck-Go, Start Page, whom both of these are now with Linux Mint, in their new 19.2 Beta. Whether or not you can get these on your Android phone I have no idea?
Like you say Google always calling home to see what you are doing, saving the pages you've visited, what you've typed, where you've been, who you have been talking to in chat apps like WhatsApp. Saving you time searching for your favorite site again. Ever tried uninstalling everything Google on your Android phone? Dependencies come up and states that you need Google to run with Android, as it could damage your phone and cause you to lose everything, from your contacts, messages, plus internet and so fourth, Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. Goes to show how easy it is to break these phones.

I have no idea about the antitrust overview, what I've read so far and surely Article 13 comes into it too? Though I don't understand that either, It's all jargon to cover their bottoms. When Britain and the rest of the EU got together originally, it was meant to be for business only. Selling to and fro of business and products, from food, to the latest gadgets. Come forward forty six years, from 1973 when we joined the EU and we are now sharing the same rules and regulations through out. Here in Britain we had a gentleman, who fought  for the British public to have their say, his name Cromwell next to him was another gentleman who wrote the rules for this country, though cannot find out of whom he was. Those rules were still being used, with some amendment as time went on, right up to 1973 and after we had joined the EU.

Now for many a time in the News our Prime minister and the rest of the cabinets and parties have all been arguing about how we must rewrite the rules for this country, before Britain can leave the EU. What happened to the original rule book in the first place? That's enough from me this has gotten on way too long, do apologize for the book or novel.   ;D
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 23, 2019, 09:08:26 am
I'd have gone iPhone again if the flagship models weren't so damn stupidly priced .. certainly not because I like Apple/iOS or because I think the hardware is any better, but because I hate the way Google use Android as an advert platform that MUST spy on you to fulfil its sole function .. Android is NOT FREE.

Android drives me up the wall in so many ways .. sure iOS isn't problem free either, but I always felt slightly safer and slightly more private there, and I wasn't bombarded with advertising to ANYWHERE NEAR the same extent and felt slightly less 'tracked' because of it.

In truth, you're left with a choice between two slightly different flavours of sh*t.

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Talking of pricing .. with iPhones holding their price much better you're more likely to recoup your money in two years when you come to upgrade, so I guess their value in the long run is not so bad, but it just 'feels' wrong spending over a grand on a damn phone in the first place .. I hated that feeling that I was paying for the logo more with an iPhone, even if I knew that same phenomena was what would ultimately recoup my money.
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: pin on July 23, 2019, 12:54:59 pm
I don't need the latest model, but still thinking about it... both wife and daughter use iphone.
We'll see in a few months  :-\
Title: Re: Of Laptops and Phones
Post by: clatterfordslim on July 24, 2019, 02:24:40 am
I only got this Ulefone because of work and everyone on WhatsApp, that's all. I got all that tech in one phone and hardly use it really, yes I'm happy with it but I'm not on it constantly looking at it, to see what stupid messages are on it. I prefer Peppermint 10 to use the Internet with, that way I know I'm safe in the comfort of my home or at the moment at work. I was hoping to get some live streaming done today, but have work again tonight. They can't seem to find anyone else to cover for me, as I was meant to have Monday Tuesday Wednesday off, then work Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I still have not been paid for the 69.5 hours I done a month ago. Have been in contact via email and I'll give them their due, they do reply. As that is their main way of communicating with their staff. A lot of businesses don't bother getting back to you via email, they'd rather leave you hanging about.

I'm meant to go in for training today, but I'll be in the land of Noddy and Big ears, Toyland. I have loads of computer stuff coming, for my new project. Going to build another computer and capture it through my main computer, via a capture card, that works flawlessly here in Peppermint and install Linux live on YouTube, where the viewer actually sees how Linux restarts and boots, on real hardware in real time, what the Grub screen looks like, where to put your AMD and Intel anti screen tearing scripts, what you can do on Linux, verses proprietary systems, which let's face it here in Linux we are there with the big boys now, we can do what other systems can do. I'm here till 08:30hrs another hour and seven minutes.  ;D