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Post by: perknh on May 23, 2017, 11:52:31 pm
Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software

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Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on May 24, 2017, 12:24:26 am
Make one that works with my carrier and we'll talk. 8)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on May 24, 2017, 09:20:37 am
Make one that works with my carrier and we'll talk. 8)

I hear ya, scifidude79!  I hope this policy decision really does go global.  Many of us here, who buy our phones at Walmart and Best Buy, are already in this budget phone market.  Personally, however, I think this is a policy decision that is long overdue. ;)

That Google Pixel is certainly one helluva phone, but (at $650) it's far out of my price range.  The Boost Mobile phone I use cost only 40 bucks.:)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on May 24, 2017, 10:36:32 am
I'm not spending hundreds on a phone either.  The LG phone I use on Walmart Family Mobile was only $70.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on May 24, 2017, 04:37:35 pm
My old dumb phone, a Sanyo Innuendo by Kyocera,  is more than sufficient for my needs.  I actually like the dumb phone better.  The monthly bill is less expensive, fewer people pay any attention to it, the call quality is better, it collects less data, and it's easier to tote around.  I've had it with smart phones --three months of using a smart phone was enough for me

Those were famous last words.  I got five or so years out of that old Innuendo, but three days ago I went back to a smartphone.  For $5 more a month I'll now be able to use WhatsApp and talk with family members in Latin America.  Also, Boost Mobile recently closed off its grow data plan, so I needed to squeak myself back into it before being shutout permanently.  Facebook, which now owns WhatsApp, will soon be collecting my personal data. ::)  The price of the Boost's plan is $30 a month with Auto-Reboost ($30.75 with the universal service charge.)

I'm not spending hundreds on a phone either.  The LG phone I use on Walmart Family Mobile was only $70.

My wife and I also have LG smartphones.  I don't know when an Android kernel is considered too old.  My wife's phone is running Marshmallow (2015), but my phone is stuck back at KitKat (2013).  I keep the software on the phones updated, but there's only so much I can do.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on May 24, 2017, 07:49:50 pm
I don't know when a phone kernel is too old either.  However, it's technically up to your phone provider to make sure that your system isn't compromised and receives the necessary updates.  After all, it's not like you can just install a different operating system on it without jumping through a lot of hoops.  Does it happen?  I don't know.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on May 24, 2017, 08:03:52 pm
A "phone provider" just has to make sure the SIM card is working. Once you buy the phone it's your responsibility, not that there's anything you can do about it,
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on May 25, 2017, 08:48:38 am
A "phone provider" just has to make sure the SIM card is working. Once you buy the phone it's your responsibility, not that there's anything you can do about it,

Hi murraymint.  Our phones are CDMA, so they don't even have SIM cards.  So far, knock on wood, I've had good service with our service provider, so I can't complain yet. ;D

I don't know when a phone kernel is too old either.

The only thing I've ever noticed, scifidude79, is that over time more and more apps from Google's Play Store become incompatible with an older phone.  And, when the apps we use become incompatible with our phones, sooner or later we're pretty much forced to ditch our phones.  I'm hoping this Android Go concept will begin to remedy this problem.  That said, I'm not holding my breath.  If our phones can support them now, we really should be getting regular kernel updates NOW --but then what would happen to budget smartphone sales. ::)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on May 25, 2017, 08:50:23 am
OK, I suppose scifi meant when you just rent the phone and it's all part of a whole contract deal. I get that, I was just being picky. :)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 25, 2017, 09:08:05 am
CDMA is a foreign concept over here (I had to "google" it) .. we're 100% GSM/LTE (apparently by European law).
http://uk.pcmag.com/cell-phone-service-providers-products/11593/news/cdma-vs-gsm-whats-the-difference
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on May 25, 2017, 12:54:04 pm
OK, I suppose scifi meant when you just rent the phone and it's all part of a whole contract deal. I get that, I was just being picky. :)

I own my phone.  I use a no contract service, so I paid for mine out of pocket and I also bought the SIM card.  In the time since I bought it, there have been a number if system updates, so somebody is providing them.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on May 25, 2017, 01:08:56 pm
I got one or two updates on mine before they seemed to dry up. I'm just questioning whether they have a responsibility or an obligation to update things after you buy them.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on May 25, 2017, 01:19:11 pm
I got one or two updates on mine before they seemed to dry up. I'm just questioning whether they have a responsibility or an obligation to update things after you buy them.

How can you with a hardware locked device?  The only way to install a new version of Android is to root the device, which most people don't know how to do and it can also turn the device into a brick.  So, I don't see how it's a reasonable expectation that the end user can update it when it's neither easy or quick.  Plus, some people have phones that cost hundreds of dollars (or whatever they're using) and they may not want to risk bricking them.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 25, 2017, 01:20:45 pm
Somehow I doubt if they're "legally" obliged.

Anyway, here's why Android devices rarely (if ever) get updates:
https://www.howtogeek.com/163958/why-do-carriers-delay-updates-for-android-but-not-iphone/
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on May 25, 2017, 01:22:13 pm
I agree, it's not reasonable. Plus the updates can only be done over the internet, so what if you get a security flaw that affects the cellular service, but you can't or don't want to go online?
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 25, 2017, 01:35:01 pm
"don't want to" is a user choice, and I'd expect the fine print you agreed to to already contain info saying they aren't responsible for data security.

"can't" get online is a different matter .. they would be legally obliged to provide the service for the length of the contract or for a "reasonable" amount of time if they sold you the device off contract.

Truth is if you read the contract, they probably made you sign something releasing them from any responsibility for updates and/or security .. and are then only loosely tied to the grey area of "fit for purpose" laws and regulations.

If you think corporations work to any "moral" obligations, I'm pretty sure you're a time traveller ;)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on May 25, 2017, 01:36:27 pm
I didn't sign any contract, I just bought a Chinese phone in the supermarket. Points all taken though, it's a ridiculous situation that many of us just accept.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 25, 2017, 01:39:10 pm
Well you DID create a contract by the simple act of buying it .. but that contract was only really "statutory rights" including "fit for purpose".
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on May 25, 2017, 01:45:32 pm
I don't expect any public communications to be secure, I just have some sympathy for the poor saps who do.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on June 01, 2017, 03:31:36 pm
Let's hear it for London-based Wileyfox (https://www.wileyfox.com/).  I'd like to see stock Android come to more Android phones.  Then I can decide what I want to install. (Does this philosophy sound familiar? ;) )

When The Radical Answer Is A Switch To Pure Android

By Ewan Spence for Forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2017/06/01/wileyfox-cyanogen-android-switch/#737bac7e34e8 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2017/06/01/wileyfox-cyanogen-android-switch/#737bac7e34e8)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on June 03, 2017, 04:40:27 pm
The reason why we want our Android phones to have up-to-date kernels and up-to-date software is to have more secure and more functional phones.  Google's newer updating policies will be doing nothing for the vast majority of Android devices on the market right now.  If we can still assume that somewhere around 900,000 Android devices get activated daily*, then this means that at least hundreds of millions (perhaps billions by now) of Android phones on the market will derive no benefit from an improved updating policy coming to Android Kernel O in near future.  This is a sad state of affairs. :(

In the article below, Emily Bary, from Barron's Next (http://www.barrons.com/next), argues why iPhones really are the safer bet when it comes to smartphone security. :'( 

Android vs. iOS: Are iPhones Really Safer?

By Emily Bary

http://www.barrons.com/articles/android-vs-ios-are-iphones-really-safer-1496254475 (http://www.barrons.com/articles/android-vs-ios-are-iphones-really-safer-1496254475)



* Source, from 2012, citing Android's/Chrome OS's 900,000 activations daily.

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Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on June 03, 2017, 05:59:54 pm
Honestly, Google won't do anything helpful with their upgrade policies because they're working with the device manufacturers.  By not upgrading a phone's OS, they're ensuring that a phone will only be safe and secure for a certain amount of time.  The manufacturers' answer?  Buy a new phone.  Google isn't going to simply give you updates forever, thereby negating the necessity to continuously buy a new phone until the hardware becomes damaged or wears out over time.  If they do that, then the device manufacturers aren't going to want to use Android, and then Google won't make any money either.  By holding back upgrades, they're forcing people to buy phones and the OEMs will keep using Android because everyone profits.  (except the end user)  So, that is, in a nutshell, why you're never going to see a helpful change to Google's upgrade policy.  Hell, they won't even upgrade Chrome OS after a certain amount of time.  ::)  They don't want you using the same device indefinitely because they make a lot of money off of new devices.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on June 10, 2017, 04:18:53 pm
The only way to install a new version of Android is to root the device, which most people don't know how to do and it can also turn the device into a brick.  So, I don't see how it's a reasonable expectation that the end user can update it when it's neither easy or quick.  Plus, some people have phones that cost hundreds of dollars (or whatever they're using) and they may not want to risk bricking them.

Android sure isn't GNU/LInux  (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/sep/19/android-free-software-stallman). If you'd like to have support and basic software, stay right here with Peppermint.  Software is easy to come by; support and community.  We can play with Peppermint to our heart's content, and nobody cares.  But it's tougher and tougher to play with Android.  Cyanogen is dead, and Google Play can now stop a person who has rooted his or her phone from downloading particular apps. :o

Google Play can now prevent rooted users from downloading certain apps

By Scott Adam Gordon (http://www.androidauthority.com/author/scottadamgordon/) for Android Authority (http://www.androidauthority.com/)

http://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-store-apps-download-block-root-users-773824/ (http://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-store-apps-download-block-root-users-773824/)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on June 11, 2017, 09:50:25 am
It's a good thing I don't root my phone, because I've got to have my Netflix.  The funny part is that it's the app developers who decide if their app can be installed on your rooted phone, yet everyone is blaming Google.  All Google did was put the tools there, it's the devs who will use it or not.

It's this simple:  Illegally modified equipment is insecure.  It can be blocked from  certain content because of the security risks.  This is no different than Sony and Microsoft booting hacked Playstations and XBOXes from their networks.  Most people don't go to the trouble of hacking a device just to use it normally, they usually have something illegal in mind.  So, it's their fault for hacking (rooting) their phones.  If they had just used it normally, they would be fine.  So, I have no sympathy for them, nor am I applauding Google or the app developers for this move.  It simply is what it is.  If you use your stuff normally, it won't affect you.  I love Peppermint for home and laptop use, but it won't do anything for my phone or tablet.  For those, I need a mobile OS, so I have to play by Google's rules.  I'm sure Apple has something similar or worse in place for people who hack iPhones.  (besides, I won't buy or regularly use an Apple product)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on June 11, 2017, 10:34:20 am
It's illegal to be root on your own device? Really?  :o
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on June 11, 2017, 12:18:37 pm
It's funny, I never even thought about the legality of rooting a phone (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/illegal-root-android-jailbreak-iphone/).  All I've ever wanted to do was to remove battery-zapping, space-taking bloatware, and, at least back in the days of Cyanogenmod, have an updated kernel.  The legality of any of this never even crossed my mind.  Still, it's becoming more and more clear to me now that rooting a phone can be unwise.

Ideally, I'd like to have several things from a smartphone:  relative ease of use, a reasonable sense of privacy and security, and the ability to remove programs I don't want.  I don't consider any of these expectations unreasonable.  I think security will be getting better for us, scifidude79 and murraymint, with upcoming Android version O.  Also any of us can throw a launcher on our phones for ease of use, but the ability to get rid of all that resource-draining bloatware, I still don't see that coming to Android anytime soon --at least within the budget phone market. (I would hope that those who will be buying Pixels soon be able to get rid of the apps they don't want.  I mean, for that kind of money, they ought to be able to.) 
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on June 11, 2017, 12:29:14 pm
I think my Android phone was already rooted when I bought it. I don't see how that's any more or less secure than rooting one yourself.

Also, the Google Play store is providing the tools to root Android phones so they can't be too bothered about the legality/security of it.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on June 11, 2017, 12:59:04 pm
Hi murraymint,

Actually, I've never found any app that will root your phone in Google Play.  If found found apps that will work IF your phone is rooted, and I've found apps that will check to see if your phone is rooted, but none that will root your phone.  My understanding is that risk of rooting your phone from an unknown, third-party is that in order to be able to root your phone, this third-party source has to have discovered a vulnerability within the programming of the phone.  Theoretically, this outside source could then, at least for a while, have access to your phone's info --which might include your personal information.  (I not saying they would all do this.  I'm just saying could have access,at least for a spell.  And having root access can be dangerous IF the root access is in the wrong hands.

Here's (http://www.androidauthority.com/first-android-malware-code-injection-778969/) an example, for instance, of root access getting into the wrong hands.

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The goal of Dvmap seems to have been to enable the installation of apps with root level permissions from third party stores. --Kris Carlon

perknh

PS

I'm certain that vast majority of rooted phones, including yours, are fine. ;)

Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: murraymint on June 11, 2017, 01:03:45 pm
Hi perknh,

you're probably right. I don't use many apps and you've done more research into this than I have. I only bought an Android phone because I needed an alternative means of internet connection for emergencies.

When you download a rooting tool from the internet, you're trusting unknown programmers. Guess what; when you buy a phone with an OS on it, you're doing the same thing. The more we discuss this, the more obvious it is where the power lies in smartphone software.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on June 11, 2017, 01:58:38 pm
Yeah, our data is ALWAYS being collected by someone, that's for sure.  I ditched my smartphone for awhile, not liking all the permissions I had to agree with.  Then, here in the US, we got a new president and a new set of rules concerning the collection of our data by our own ISPs.  For me, that changed how I look at everything.  Until recently, I'd use a dumbphone for my calls and text, and I'd use Peppermint at home to check the weather, email, news, etc.  BEFORE, I felt I had SOME sense of privacy, but now I feel I have none.  If this is the case, the hell with it:  I say spread the data around!

Now, I'll check my email wherever I want.  With the humble exception of our GNU/Linux distributions, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE is collecting data on us now. (Dumbphones, smartphones, home phones, towers, street cameras, store cameras, satellites, search engines, OSes, computers in cars, traceable printers, etc.)   

I figure I have to choose  --either become a Luddite, or stay active and participate in first half of the 21st century.  Given these two options, at least for now, I've chosen the latter option. ;)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 11, 2017, 04:09:50 pm
The only people that should worry are those with something to hide.

Just in case you missed it, that was me being sarcastic ;)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on June 11, 2017, 05:08:03 pm
The only people that should worry are those with something to hide.

Just in case you missed it, that was me being sarcastic ;)

Believe it or not I still hear that argument here.  But, since it's now impossible not to be creating data that is being scooped up continuously, one approach to greater anonymity might actually be to turn on all the faucets.  Don't stand out from the crowd.  Do NOT root your phone.  Just block malware, and then do your thing.  Turn on all the faucets.  If the powers that be want data, make sure you give it to them.  Just much sure you're producing tons of it.  Produce so much data that the sheer quantity of it all with make it all pointless, worthless, and overwhelming.

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Be not the first by whom the new are tried,
Nor yet the last to lay the old aside.
--Alexander Pope

Alexander Pope's advice still stands if you want to stay anonymous. ;)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on June 12, 2017, 12:00:51 am
It's illegal to be root on your own device? Really?  :o

It's a gray area in a lot of countries.  In the US, it's fluctuated between being legal and illegal. (It's currently legal, I think) Basically, it's legal in most countries if you're still using the phone in a legal manner.  IE: unlocking your phone to use software that is legally obtained but can't be run on your phone without unlocking it.  However, if you're unlocking it to do something illegal, then it's not legal.  So, " yes and no" is the answer.  ;)

However, some people also don't own their phones.  I own mine, I bought it outright.  I know some carriers provide a phone as part of a contract and, if you drop your service, you have to return it.  So, therefore, it's not yours.

I rooted my first Fire tablet just to install Firefox on it.  Some days, I wouldn't mind doing it again with my current Fire, because Silk is a pain and can't use extensions and some sites have out of control ads.  However, on my phone, I just use Firefox with uBlock Origin.  But, I never did anything illegal with the Fire.  It was just to add a browser that Amazon doesn't have in their Appstore (because they're idiots.)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on July 08, 2017, 05:50:54 pm
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Google releases a new Android operating system every year, but most devices running the software use older versions. These phones do not get as frequent security and feature updates, a persistent problem for the company.  --Mark Bergen

Nougat share rises to double digits but so many Android devices still run KitKat and below

By Daniel Bader (https://www.androidcentral.com/author/Daniel%20Bader) for androidcentral (https://www.androidcentral.com/)

https://www.androidcentral.com/android-distribution-numbers-july-2017 (https://www.androidcentral.com/android-distribution-numbers-july-2017)

This is a good little article if you want to see, in terms percentage, of where your phone's version of Android is within the mix the millions of phones that are out there .  My phone is still running KItKat.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: VinDSL on July 08, 2017, 09:33:06 pm
w00t !!!  Now, I need to thank YOU, perknh  ;D

Pretext:  I've been trying to find the magic combination for displaying emoji in Opera, on the LinkedIn website -- been driving me crazy for a week.

Solution:  I was reading the article that you posted, above, and suddenly it dawned on me.

Note to self:

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╰─➤  sudo apt-get update
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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~  
╰─➤  sudo apt-get install fonts-emojione-svginot
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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~  
╰─➤  sudo apt-get install fonts-twemoji-svginot
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╰─➤  sudo fc-cache -vfs
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Restart

Great article !  Worked a treat, Thx !
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: VinDSL on July 08, 2017, 09:36:50 pm
BTW, before you go searching, here's the thing that did the trick ...


https://youtu.be/zkr8wEEdWh0?t=2m18s


One finds fixes in the oddest spots, you know ?!?!?   8)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on July 12, 2017, 07:30:24 am
When you download a rooting tool from the internet, you're trusting unknown programmers.

Highly Advanced SpyDealer Malware Can Root One in Four Android Devices

By Catalin Cimpanu (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/author/catalin-cimpanu/), Security News Editor for Bleeping Computer (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/).

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/highly-advanced-spydealer-malware-can-root-one-in-four-android-devices/ (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/highly-advanced-spydealer-malware-can-root-one-in-four-android-devices/)

No need to panic here, BUT this does show us that rooting from unknown sources can potentially cause problems.  Fortunately, I got it drilled into my head, when I started here with Peppermint (thank you, PCNetSpec!), that if you stay within the repositories, you're eliminating a lot of potential trouble.  Simple conclusion:  Since Android is still a Linux distribution (though a non-GNU, highly proprietarized variant of Linux), stay as much as you can within Android's own repository-- Google Play (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Play).  And, if for whatever reason you do need to root your device, root it from trusted sources. ;)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 12, 2017, 08:43:28 am
I'm not sure comparing "Google Play" to the Linux "default repo" model is an accurate one .. AFAIK "Google Play" is full of proprietary code without the "many eyes" oversight.

But sure you're probably safer(ish) there than installing stuff from third party sites.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: scifidude79 on July 12, 2017, 10:00:09 am
I don't trust the vast majority of apps in Google Play, whereas I'm sure I can trust every piece of software in the Ubuntu repositories.  The reason: all you have to do is pay for your software to appear in Google Play.  There's nothing more to it than that.  I don't know if anyone at Google even looks at the software's code.  Ubuntu is quite the opposite.  You can't pay to have your software in there, and it's highly scrutinized before being made available for download.
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on July 12, 2017, 05:10:42 pm
We supposedly kept safe within Android's Play Store by a new security system Google calls Google Play Protect (https://www.android.com/play-protect/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=blog).  That said, I have no evidence that my phone is being protected by this program, but perhaps it is.  I guess this is as close as we're going to get to having "many eyes" watching out for mischief in Android. ::)
Title: Re: Google making cheap Android phones support its latest software
Post by: perknh on February 25, 2018, 09:17:36 pm
My goodness, time goes by so quickly.  Google Go phones will be announced this week. :o

The first Android Go phones will be announced next week at Mobile World Congress

By Chaim Gartenberg for The Verge

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/23/17044296/android-go-oreo-edition-phones-google-mwc-2018-launch

And here  (https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/17/15649380/google-budget-android-phone-program-announced-io-2017)is some more about Android Go from The Verge showing an interesting clip presenting Sameer Samat, a former VP of Android & Google play, and his thoughts concerning Google Go.



And this will be the first Android Go phone to hit the US markets.  It's called a ZTE Tempo Go phone/

ZTE Tempo Go costs $80 and is one of the first Android Go phones

By Joe Maring for androidcentral

https://www.androidcentral.com/zte-tempo-go


Who knows?  Maybe with the launching of Android Go, some mobile phones might start getting smaller again -- as is case with the Nokia 1 Android Oreo (Go Edition) featured here (https://www.androidheadlines.com/2018/02/hands-on-nokia-1-android-oreo-go-edition-smartphone-mwc-2018.html).  If so, that would be alright by me.  I only looking for a basic smartphone that's front pocket portable, stays up-to-date, and is affordable.