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Title: Peppermint 5
Post by: Degsy on March 21, 2014, 02:47:04 pm
I am currently using Peppermint 4, 64 bit and just wanted to be sure about the following: when Peppermint 5 is released will I be able to "upgrade" or will I have to download the new version and start from scratch? Your help with this would be appreciated,
Many thanks,

Degsy
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 21, 2014, 03:16:36 pm
Peppermint versions typically release in May or June of each year due to them being based on the April release of Ubuntu. As such, Peppermint Five will follow this particular trend.

Because Peppermint Five will be based on the LTS package base, it will be strongly recommended that fresh installations be performed as opposed to any attempts to upgrade. We will try and publish some form of guide to help ease the pain as much as possible. For the most part it simply involves backing up data to an external source, getting a list of installed software, and saving some configuration files.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: TonyB on March 21, 2014, 03:40:57 pm
Is it too late (or too early) for a "wish list" for Peppermint 5 ?
- not that I can think of anything right now, but I've noticed that others are much more imaginative than me.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 21, 2014, 03:52:01 pm
You're always welcome to make suggestions. Typically if the suggestion is popular among the mods and fits in with the overall direction of the project then I'll consider implementing it.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: TonyB on March 21, 2014, 04:04:36 pm
Thanks for that very prompt reply, Kendall.

And, more importantly, thank you for Peppermint OS.

Cheers,
Tony B
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 21, 2014, 05:33:03 pm
You're quite welcome.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Degsy on March 21, 2014, 06:49:14 pm
Many thanks for your response which was pretty much the answer I expected, am I right in thinking that Peppermint 5 will be  an LTS release?


Degsy
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 21, 2014, 09:28:47 pm
As Peppermint release annually, Peppermint odd number releases are always based on an Ubuntu LTS

Peppermint 5 will be based upon the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS release, and considering it gets 99% of its software packages directly from the Ubuntu repositories, 99% of it will receive updates for the full 5 year life cycle of the 14.04 release.

However, the 1% that's in the Peppermint specific repository will only receive updates until Peppermint 6 is released.

That said there is usually little in the Peppermint specific repository besides some artwork, Peppermint specific configuration files, and any bugfixes for the Peppermint configs .. by the time Peppermint is a year old any bugs in the Peppermint specific stuff have usually all been ironed out.

So in short - Though technically Peppermint odd number releases can't be called full LTS's, in reality they can usually be treated as such.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: Degsy on March 22, 2014, 05:40:30 am
Many thanks, PCNetSpec, that has explained the situation clearly, looking forward to Peppermint5.


Degsy
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 22, 2014, 09:13:20 pm
So essentially If we install Peppermint 5, we should be good to go until the next LTS is released two years later....  ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: mac on March 22, 2014, 09:33:46 pm
I'm still running P3 on a test machine.....no problems.  It's still a good, solid OS.   :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 22, 2014, 09:34:53 pm
Quote from: rjm65
So essentially If we install Peppermint 5, we should be good to go until the next LTS is released two years later....

Unless Ubuntu release an update that somehow conflicts with the Peppermint configuration then "sure".
(that's highly unlikely BTW .. as mac says, Peppermint 3 is still going just fine)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 22, 2014, 09:57:55 pm
That is all I run on machines is Peppermint 3, I had some issues with my old boxes and peppermint4, but as I said on the old board you had me download and try the lubuntu 14.04 daily build and it works fantastic on all the old boxes...  So I assume that means Peppermint 5 is gonna rock out...

The lubuntu still has yet to fix the boot splash screens, but everything else works that should work.... what I find funny is other distros the boot screen works, yet on lubuntu i get a black screen till about 5 seconds before the desktop, at which time i get a lubuntu boot screen, then poof its gone, then the desktop is there...
you would think if they can get it to display for the last 5 seconds of the boot up, they can get it to work for the first 30 seconds... LOL   
If it was reversed and it worked for 30 seconds, then went black for 5 seconds, i don't think anyone would mind as much...  LOL   :D
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 23, 2014, 02:29:37 am
what I find funny is other distros the boot screen works, yet on lubuntu i get a black screen till about 5 seconds before the desktop, at which time i get a lubuntu boot screen, then poof its gone, then the desktop is there...

Peppermint Four behaves in much the same way on most of the hardware configurations I've tried. The issue is upstream somewhere but not critical enough that anyone here has made a point to try and track it down.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 23, 2014, 10:27:52 am
Peppermint Four behaves in much the same way on most of the hardware configurations I've tried. The issue is upstream somewhere but not critical enough that anyone here has made a point to try and track it down.

See what I find odd is LXLE which is built from the 12.04 LTS their boot screen works fine... However every other build I have tried that is made from 12.04 LTS the boot screen fails...  Now I read that you are saying this also happens in Peppermint 4, and I tried the new lubuntu 14.04 daily build and that still does it as well...  Makes me wonder what LXLE did to get theirs working???
 I can tell you this much I have two towers here that a guy gave me and he asked me to install LXLE on them both for him, cause that is the build he prefers... What I found interesting was the one tower after install had the normal boot up splash screen, it is like a grayish screen with black logo LXLE in center with a little spinner icon beneath it..  The other machine after install was totally different it had 3 loader bars chasing each other on a black screen with no logo, but at least you could see the 3 bars loading up.... I'm wondering how they determine what screen to use during install, cause the machines were not that much different, both AMD processors one was a 1800 one a 2400 both used on board video...  just seemed weird to me cause I was taught to edit grub file, and add commands here and there to get text on the black screen, but I looked at their grub files and nothing special was in there, so the problem of the boot up screens must be somewhere else...  :-"
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 23, 2014, 10:58:25 am
It was fine in distros based on 12.04 .. so assuming LXLE use plymouth to supply the boot screens like most Ubuntu based distros, they did nothing .. the problem (if you can call it one) arose after 12.04
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 23, 2014, 11:00:59 am
It was fine in distros based on 12.04 .. so assuming LXLE use plymouth to supply the boot screens like most Ubuntu based distros, they did nothing .. the problem (if you can call it one) arose after 12.04
I think they are using Plymouth if I am not mistaken, maybe we can make a better one and call it Chrysler....  Hahahaha    ;D
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 23, 2014, 11:11:20 am
American car reference right ?

Calling it Portsmouth works better this side of the pond :)
(both naval cities)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 23, 2014, 11:15:46 am
American car reference right ?

Calling it Portsmouth works better this side of the pond :)
(both naval cities)
Yeah Dodge was their base model, Plymouth was the mid range model, and Chrysler was their top of the line model...  :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 23, 2014, 11:35:36 am
Peppermint Three is based on 12.04 and doesn't do it.

Peppermint Four is based on 13.04 and does exhibit this as far as I've tested.

Either way, it's a boot splash so we're not tripping over ourselves trying to come up with a solution. I think most people are filing it as a quirk rather than a bug.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 23, 2014, 11:44:20 am
Peppermint Three is based on 12.04 and doesn't do it.

Peppermint Four is based on 13.04 and does exhibit this as far as I've tested.

Either way, it's a boot splash so we're not tripping over ourselves trying to come up with a solution. I think most people are filing it as a quirk rather than a bug.
All of my peppermint 3 Installs do this, just so you know.... From 650 mhz processors all the way up to 3.0 ghz processors, it don't matter how much ram or video card they have, they all have black screen on peppermint 3...  or maybe I am just lucky and have all the machines that don't work...  LOL   ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 23, 2014, 12:19:51 pm
...maybe I am just lucky and have all the machines that don't work...  LOL   ;)
This is a distinct possibility.  ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 24, 2014, 10:04:42 am
Since this isn't really a support topic, I'm marking it as such.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 24, 2014, 10:20:38 am
Actually as Kendall is right, I've moved it to "General Discussion" :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: dsplayname on March 24, 2014, 05:18:27 pm
The plymouth splash screens have always worked fine for me, from Peppermint 2 onwards. With Peppermint 4, my only issue was that it boots so fast I only saw the splash screen for a couple seconds, but that's like complaining about winning the lottery.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 24, 2014, 06:26:36 pm
This may also depend on graphics card drivers .. whatever it is it doesn't affect all PC's, my Aspire One netbooks display the PM4 splash screens all the way through the boot but an EeePC only show it for about 2 seconds before it loads the login screen.

A solution might be to add a background image to GRUB

On the EeePC I've set a GRUB background image, and this is displayed right up until the 2 seconds the splash screen displays for.

Maybe that's what LXLE are doing ?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 24, 2014, 07:06:36 pm
On the EeePC I've set a GRUB background image, and this is displayed right up until the 2 seconds the splash screen displays for.

Maybe that's what LXLE are doing ?
That was the first thing I checked was the grub config on the LXLE machines i have here and their grub.cfg is identical to everyone elses....
However I will give that a shot, it sure beats text flying by to prove it is doing something on boot up....

Edit: That guy never picked up his LXLE towers yet, so If you want me to check on things on LXLE like grub files, and stuff let me know while they are still here....
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 24, 2014, 08:19:27 pm
In Peppermint try creating a .tga image file .. call it whatever you like as long as it's got no spaces in the name and is a .tga file

Place it in the /boot/grub directory

Then run:
Code: [Select]
sudo update-grub

When you boot .. does that now at least give you that image instead of the black screen ?
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 24, 2014, 08:41:24 pm
In Peppermint try creating a .tga image file .. call it whatever you like as long as it's got no spaces in the name and is a .tga file

Place it in the /boot/grub directory

Then run:
Code: [Select]
sudo update-grub

When you boot .. does that now at least give you that image instead of the black screen ?

That worked Mark and it is a lot nicer then a black screen full of text, it looks more professional....  ;)
Pic of the old gateway laptop running the new grub setup...  :)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/15q2hkn.jpg)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 25, 2014, 06:37:31 am
Cool .. not the perfect solution but better than nothing.

I wonder if we could/should add a GRUB background image by default in Peppermint 6 ... just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 25, 2014, 10:31:25 am
Cool .. not the perfect solution but better than nothing.

I wonder if we could/should add a GRUB background image by default in Peppermint 6 ... just to be on the safe side.
I think that would be a great idea....  :)

I have installed peppermint 3 on at least 10 different machines and so far none of them ever worked, all of them are black until the desktop boots...
what are the chances that all ten of those machines, ranging from a pentium 3 650mhz all the way up to a 3.0ghz machine, are all ones with bad hardware... LOL
To test this theory the two working LXLE machines on the floor, are now installing peppermint 3 on a side by side, I want to see if P3 boot screens work on those two machines....  Seeing as they work for the LXLE boot screens....
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 25, 2014, 10:41:42 am
All I can tell you is the splash screens work perfectly on my desktop, 3 Aspire One's, and my missus laptop (and most other PC's I've put it on for other people)  .. but not on the EeePC.

Go figure  :o
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: kendall on March 25, 2014, 11:05:51 am
I'm not going to put the Peppermint logo in GRUB for two reasons:


I'm not against the idea of branding GRUB in and of itself, just by default. If one of the mods wants to put a tutorial in the relevant section or if someone else wants to submit one, then by all means do so.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 25, 2014, 11:18:33 am
Good point .. a GRUB background image would be displayed in the boot process of ALL OS's being booted from GRUB.

I'll write up a tutorial for those that need it :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: rjm65 on March 25, 2014, 11:26:25 am
All I can tell you is the splash screens work perfectly on my desktop, 3 Aspire One's, and my missus laptop (and most other PC's I've put it on for other people)  .. but not on the EeePC.

Go figure  :o
Yup I own an asus eeepc also, and it don't work on that one either....
Wish I knew what the hardware issue was that causes it not to work, and maybe there is a workaround for that???

EDIT: I tried installing peppermint 3 today on both the towers that are running LXLE, the LXLE splash screens work and the Peppermint 3 splash screens did not work...  so is it a hardware issue??? if it is it is kinda funky that LXLE screens work.... both LXLE towers are AMD Athlons are running 12.04.4 builds....
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: bcarr1122 on April 06, 2014, 04:03:07 pm
All I can tell you is the splash screens work perfectly on my desktop, 3 Aspire One's, and my missus laptop (and most other PC's I've put it on for other people)  .. but not on the EeePC.

Go figure  :o
Yup I own an asus eeepc also, and it don't work on that one either....
Wish I knew what the hardware issue was that causes it not to work, and maybe there is a workaround for that???

EDIT: I tried installing peppermint 3 today on both the towers that are running LXLE, the LXLE splash screens work and the Peppermint 3 splash screens did not work...  so is it a hardware issue??? if it is it is kinda funky that LXLE screens work.... both LXLE towers are AMD Athlons are running 12.04.4 builds....
Hello -

I use Peppermint 3 on my Asus Eee PC 1000; I've never had any problems with the splash screen.

Regards,
Brian
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: VinDSL on April 07, 2014, 07:02:32 pm
I use Peppermint 3 on my Asus Eee PC 1000; I've never had any problems with the splash screen.

I *thought* I had Peppermint 3 installed on my Asus Eee PC 1000, but looking back, I installed Peppermint 4 in December.

Anyway, for what it's worth, the Peppermint 4 Respin splash screen works fine on this Asus Eee PC 1000.

Heh!  I love this thing.  I just wish the buttons on the touchpad weren't so stiff...  ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 07, 2014, 07:29:03 pm
Tell me about it, you need a jack hammer for the EeePC 1005 HAG touchpad keys too :-\
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: VinDSL on April 07, 2014, 07:58:56 pm
Tell me about it, you need a jack hammer for the EeePC 1005 HAG touchpad keys too :-\

Heh!  For the most part, they're useless.

BTW, here's a screenie of my Eee PC 1000 desktop (Peppermint 4 Respin)...
 
(http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-netbook-7-apr-2014.png)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 07, 2014, 10:17:51 pm
I do like this auto resize doodad :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: VinDSL on April 07, 2014, 10:56:53 pm
I do like this auto resize doodad :)
Saves me a lot of time...   ;D
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: ronj1950 on April 10, 2014, 11:39:28 am
Hey VinDSL,

Been lurching here getting tibbits on Peppermint 5, and your two layouts on your desktop caught my eye.  You mind enlightening this noob on how you got those 2 formats?

Thanks, and Regards,

Ron
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2014, 07:50:29 pm
Been lurching here getting tibbits on Peppermint 5, and your two layouts on your desktop caught my eye.  You mind enlightening this noob on how you got those 2 formats?

Hi Ron,

That's just my version of an app called 'Conky' -- my Conky script, if you will.

If you feel like playing around with it, here's a nice HOWTO (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1771033)

*Warning*  If you'll pardon the tired cliche... Conky is highly addictive. ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: ronj1950 on April 11, 2014, 06:36:26 am
Oooo....thank you VinDSL .. took a peek at your guidance, does look like a nice project.  Will delve into it next week...and let you all know the outcome.

'What a **** cliche'."  Ashley Monroe, '2 weeks late'
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 11, 2014, 09:46:06 am
Oh God, another potential Conky addict.  DON'T DO IT!  You've been warned!  ;D!!
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: ronj1950 on April 11, 2014, 11:23:18 am
OK .. all>  at the risk of getting flamed, and in the spirit of non-hijacking informational exchange, I am trying screenlet .. seems to be a bit more user friendly for me, and conky seemed to crash, and did not show in my menu as well.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: emegra on April 11, 2014, 11:27:15 am
Hi Ron

Beware of screenlets some of them can be very heavy on resources or at least that was my experience consequently I never use them now




Graeme
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 11, 2014, 11:29:00 am
Conky won't show in the menu .. it's a command line system monitor that you extend any way you like with scripts and other external programmes

Only GUI (graphical) apps show in the menu .. and although conky usually ends up displaying something to screen, it has no graphical user interface so is a command line application.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: ronj1950 on April 11, 2014, 11:33:17 am
Thank you Gentlemen,

Will watch how any desired and/or set up 'lets drains my resources, and why conky is outside the menu.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 11, 2014, 05:27:45 pm
Hi ronj1950 how’s it going?  Conky is a command line interface, (CLI) programme. Only programmes with a graphical user interface, (GUI) show up in the menu system.  I have done some digging around and found something that may interest you. It is called Conky Manager: http://www.teejeetech.in/p/conky-manager.html (http://www.teejeetech.in/p/conky-manager.html).  This is an easy way to setup preconfigured Conky instances. After installion it does show up in the menu system, menu/Accessories/Conky Manager. It is not in the repositories but it can be downloaded as a Deb from the site. Don’t try to use the PPA because it doesn't work.  In the website, scroll down to the paragraph that says, “For other Debian systems the DEB package can be download from LaunchPad.net".  Click on the link and when the new page opens find the line that reads, "conky-manager 1.2.0.1",  You want the one for Precise.  Dowload the Deb and open it by  double clicking on the downloaded folder. Follow the in installation instruction.  Don't forget to install the Deluxe Conky Theme Pack by Jesse Avalos (24 MB).  This give you a load more Conky instances. You can find the link in the website.  I find making my own Conky instances more fun but I think this is a good alternative. I hope this helps.  Have fun  ;)!!
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: ronj1950 on April 11, 2014, 05:39:12 pm
Hey Andy,

Oooo .. yea .. thanks .. I am going to re-visit conky now with your links as assistance.  Screenlets so so .. most likely end up uninstalling that and go with conky .. seems more flexible, and with your links, more manageable for the likes of me.
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 11, 2014, 06:13:48 pm
Glad to help.  Along with VinDSL's excellent tutorial, you should check out this thread from the Crunchbang forums.  Crunchbangers are Conky crazy.  They already have 103 pages on just this one Conky thread.  There is always something interesting going on there.  http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=59 (http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=59).   ;)!
Title: Re: Peppermint 5
Post by: VinDSL on April 11, 2014, 07:18:37 pm
Oh God, another potential Conky addict.  DON'T DO IT!  You've been warned!  ;D!!

I ALWAYS give fair warning about Conky.

Seems like it doesn't really sink in until they're  waking themselves up at 2 AM, because they figured some  algo in their sleep.  LoL   :P

Ok, back on topic PLZ...