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Title: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on March 25, 2017, 09:07:26 am
I woke up to this report on Imgur (https://imgur.com/) this morning.  I didn't post directly from Imgur because of the language used in the Imgur article wasn't family-friendly for our forum.  Anyway, just when I thought things couldn't get much worse regarding privacy and the Internet, I find this news today:

Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers

By Jon Brodkin (https://arstechnica.com/author/jon-brodkin/) for Ars Technica (https://arstechnica.com/about-us/)

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/senate-votes-to-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-history-to-advertisers/ (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/senate-votes-to-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-history-to-advertisers/)

And:

US Senate Just Voted to Let ISPs Sell Your Web Browsing Data Without Permission

By Mohit Kumar (https://twitter.com/unix_root) for The Hacker News (https://thehackernews.com/)

https://thehackernews.com/2017/03/isp-to-sell-browsing-data.html#author-info (https://thehackernews.com/2017/03/isp-to-sell-browsing-data.html#author-info)


And, finally, the fine print of the bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/34/all-info (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/34/all-info)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: scifidude79 on March 25, 2017, 10:59:21 am
I cannot think of any response to this that's appropriate to post on the forums. >:(
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: GNULINUX on March 25, 2017, 11:08:33 am
A VPN/Proxy (or Tor) seems to be the only "cure", although outlawing that could be their next step...  ::)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on March 25, 2017, 11:51:44 am
I cannot think of any response to this that's appropriate to post on the forums. >:(

The bill is outrageous and unconscionable.

A VPN/Proxy (or Tor) seems to be the only "cure", although outlawing that could be their next step...  ::)

That would not surprise me. 
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: anselm on March 25, 2017, 12:30:20 pm
Everything is so screwed up here in the USA  :-[
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on March 25, 2017, 01:28:56 pm
I like to wardrive anyway:  https://goo.gl/3Tveip 

Blood-to-sport, you know ?   ;D
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: GNULINUX on March 25, 2017, 01:50:23 pm
US Senate Votes in Favor Of ISPs Selling Consumer Data to Advertisers (https://themerkle.com/us-senate-votes-in-favor-of-isps-selling-consumer-data-to-advertisers/)

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If that isn’t dire enough, this privacy rule change proposal invokes the Congressional Review Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Review_Act). This means similar regulations cannot be issued in the future. This is even better news for internet service providers, as that means the Federal Communications Commission cannot reinstate the current rules. All they can do is draft new proposals, yet they cannot resemble the way things are handled right now.

 :o
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on March 25, 2017, 06:12:27 pm
US Senate Votes in Favor Of ISPs Selling Consumer Data to Advertisers (https://themerkle.com/us-senate-votes-in-favor-of-isps-selling-consumer-data-to-advertisers/)

Thank you, GNULINUX, for finding and posting JP Buntinx' excellent article.  It's the best article I've seen for what is currently happening to US. :o

perknh
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: josephd on March 26, 2017, 12:41:18 am
Sigh, I'm paying $130.00 a month for Frontier Fios. isn't that enough for them to turn a profit.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 26, 2017, 09:00:51 am
Good god, what do you get for that $130/mnth ?
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: scifidude79 on March 26, 2017, 09:24:34 am
Good god, what do you get for that $130/mnth ?

I know, right?  We're paying less than that for phone, internet and TV, and the Internet is really fast (for me, anyway.)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 26, 2017, 11:20:34 am
Mark one up for "Rip-off Britain" then, I pay £35/mnth for phone (unlimited landline calls) / TV (which is really pretty rubbish) / and unlimited 76Mb-down 19Mb-up fibre broadband.

That's about $44 USD

That makes a pleasant change, sommat that's possibly cheaper over here :D
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: josephd on March 26, 2017, 09:53:54 pm
100 mbps up and down as well as VOIP which is pointless because all I get is telemarketing calls thanks to Frontier/Verizon selling my number to everyone on the planet.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on March 27, 2017, 10:37:46 am
100Mbps up would be nice (for uploading say the ISO images), but not really "necessary" .. $130 still seems somewhat excessive from a British perspective.

Maybe it's the one (and probably ONLY) thing that's cheaper over here.

It's hard to find a direct comparison, but
https://www.hyperoptic.com/offers-broadband-and-phone/
do a 100Mb/100Mb connection (with phone) for £28 (£38 after the first discounted 12 months)
or
1Gb/1Gb  connection (with phone) for £48 (£63 after the first discounted 12 months)
http://www.sky.com/shop
and Sky TV (which aint the cheapest) is £22 for just TV

It's just nice to know there are exceptions to "rip-off Britain" :)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: josephd on April 01, 2017, 02:19:59 pm
To make things worse my test was more like 60/60

However, I'm also running a nearly 6 year old Intel i5 2500k but this has a 1gbps ethernet connection directly to the router.

To put this into perspective I the fastest I download content is about 5.5MBps via Steam or a really swift repository connection.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 01, 2017, 02:33:16 pm
I have a (semi-rhetorical) question about the topic title .. would this include allowing Microsoft to sell user data gathered by Windows telemetry ?

If so, I can see them serious butting heads with the EU data protection laws.

Or is it limited to US ISP's
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 01, 2017, 02:50:05 pm
People are misunderstanding this ... as usual  8)

Under the [dis]guise of net neutrality, Obama and company reclassified broadband carriers as 'common carries', which they aren't, and switched authority from the FTC to the FCC.

What the Senate did was move authority back to the FTC, where it belongs.

This is as good an explanation as any, if one wants to spend a few hours following the bouncing ball:    https://goo.gl/9sbEAS

Sadly, ppl prefer to rely on fake news sites, and social media pundits ...
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 01, 2017, 03:50:08 pm
Okay that may have clarified things, but as I'm lazy and can't be *rsed to check .. does this mean they can't sell your history/data ?
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: GNULINUX on April 01, 2017, 04:32:19 pm
I have a (semi-rhetorical) question about the topic title .. would this include allowing Microsoft to sell user data gathered by Windows telemetry ?
Doesn't even need to be included since the famous new M$ EULA... where they state they may share "anonymous" data with their "partners"!



@ VinDSL (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9) : I don't get the part about fake news... Doesn't that still mean that ISP's can share your data?
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 01, 2017, 05:12:12 pm
I hate this new "fake news" label .. there's just accurate verifiable news and hearsay/bullsh*t.

There's nothing "new" here .. there's always been the Sunday Sport (http://www.sundaysportonline.co.uk/) drivel .. it's PEOPLE that have become more gullible.

Oh my god .. Ant and Dec have been killed :o
(or is that  :D)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 01, 2017, 05:42:20 pm
From what I can tell, this is were we stand right now with this bill:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/28/statement-administration-policy-sjres-34-%E2%80%93-disapproving-federal (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/28/statement-administration-policy-sjres-34-%E2%80%93-disapproving-federal)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 01, 2017, 06:11:14 pm
Okay, let's run with that ...   ;D

First of all, the FCC privacy framework we're talking about has never taken effect.  Oh, the fake news sites didn't tell you that ?

Now, let's read the text of S. J. Res. 34  https://goo.gl/6mEYUZ  How does compare to the hysteria you've been reading ?

You can't lose something you never had.  The FCC rule wasn't scheduled to be in effect until December, 2017. 

If Trump signs the bill, which is expected, authority remains in the FTC's privacy framework, where it belongs, and puts the ISPs on equal footing with other major data-collecting companies like Google or Facebook.

Basically, the bill does away with the Obama-era Net Neutrality bullshiz, and it also prevents the FCC from setting similar rules again.

If you want to run around in circles with your hair on fire, have at it ...

Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 01, 2017, 06:37:58 pm
I give up .. American law/regulations makes no sense to me procedurally.

Agreed !  Unless you deal with it all the time, it doesn't make a lot of sense.  Once you get a handle on it, it's rather tasty.   ;D

Quote
"Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made."  ~ Otto von Bismarck
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 01, 2017, 06:39:53 pm
**** .. accidentally removed my last post :-[
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 01, 2017, 06:44:30 pm
Slow down your mouse sensitivity, maybe ?  LoL !   :D
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: GNULINUX on April 01, 2017, 06:55:46 pm
You can't lose something you never had.  The FCC rule wasn't scheduled to be in effect until October, 2017. 

Interesting point of view...

 :-X
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: josephd on April 01, 2017, 11:14:05 pm
@VinDSL, you're not saying that you are okay with ISPs selliing our traffic information freely without our approval are you?
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 02, 2017, 12:28:40 am
It all depends on the user agreement.  Usually, it's all or nothing, but users always have the right to say 'No', and take their internet business elsewhere.

If ppl are stupid enough to blindly click 'Yes' without reading an agreement, then ... oh, well.

Example:  I was looking at the apps installed by default on '10'.  One of them was a game called Cookie Crunch or whatevs.  I clicked it, just to see what would happen, and ... by Question #2 in the agreement, I could see that you had to allow them access to all your personal data, including all your contacts, and so forth.  I quickly uninstalled it.

I've read that many of these free games haxor into other apps, since the user agreed to allow it, and if you uninstall the game, the other apps will start crashing, because they can't 'phone home', and so forth.

Would I prefer that the FTC handle investigations and enforcement of such things ?  'Yes'

Am I in favor of Net Neutrality, under the authority of the FCC ? 'No'
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: GNULINUX on April 02, 2017, 06:21:05 am
Example:  I was looking at the apps installed by default on '10'.  One of them was a game called Cookie Crunch or whatevs.  I clicked it, just to see what would happen, and ... by Question #2 in the agreement, I could see that you had to allow them access to all your personal data, including all your contacts, and so forth.  I quickly uninstalled it.
Moot point since you said "yes" to the almighty M$ EULA... by simply installing Windows 10...

You see, that's the whole problem. If every ISP (or other service) includes such policies, you have nowhere to run!
No internet, no OS, no software and no hardware without the "yes"!  ;)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 02, 2017, 01:15:36 pm
Yes, it's usually 'all or nothing'.  But, look, this is all organic ...

It didn't do any good to have two frameworks, did it ?  One for broadband ISPs (FCC) and another for Facebook, Google, Yahoo, etc. (FTC).

Now, before you lament the end of your internet privacy — take a deep breath, and keep reading.  I do this shiz for a living.   8)

Those FCC rules never actually went into effect, meaning technically, Tuesday’s measure doesn’t change anything. The rules to protect customer data were passed in October of last year but wouldn’t have taken effect until December 2017.

Tuesday’s measure does create some wrinkles in the debate over consumer privacy in the rapidly growing IoT.  Namely, the measure blocks the FCC not only from implementing the 2016 rules, but pursuing others like them.

The Obama-era bill was passed in October 2016, but lawmakers took advantage of the Congressional Review Act, a rare procedural move that permits lawmakers to reconfigure any regulation they disagree with.

ISPs pushed back against privacy regulations. Their issue: Sites like Facebook and Google are regulated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and are therefore governed by regulations that do not force them to obtain customer consent before collecting and selling personal data

It was already technically legal for ISPs to sell your data, but they were holding off on doing it while they waited to see if the laws went into effect or not.  Now, they don’t have to wait anymore.  Even under the would-be privacy rules, which now appear doomed, ISPs would not have been required to get opt-in consent for other bits of personal information like email addresses.

Even if the measure is signed into law, the FCC still reviews privacy cases involving customer privacy on the Internet.  However, because the resolution uses the CRA, the FCC would be outlawed from creating similar privacy regulations if the repeal is signed by Trump.

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai said:
Quote
“The FCC will work with the FTC to ensure that consumers’ online privacy is protected through a consistent and comprehensive framework. In my view, the best way to achieve that result would be to return jurisdiction over broadband providers’ privacy practices to the FTC, with its decades of experience and expertise in this area.”

Republican Sen. John Thune also said, he’s open to passing additional privacy protections in order to reach a legislative compromise on net neutrality “if that were something that it took to get Democrats to the table.”

Let’s be honest -- Whether you know it or not, your internet privacy has already been jeopardized at some point.

Some ISPs do offer some sort of getaway from their targeted advertising, as noted in The Verge (https://goo.gl/DYN4Ci), but you'll have to dig around within a company’s linear notes in order to find protections for yourself.

Bottom line:  If and when Trump signs the bill, the FCC will still be able to regulate ISPs' privacy policies using Title II, Section 222  (https://goo.gl/dR2FPz)of the Communications Act. Those regulations are less stringent than the Obama-era regulations, however, and do not cover web-browsing or app-usage data.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: GNULINUX on April 02, 2017, 05:13:26 pm
I do this shiz for a living.   8)
I think your last reply made that obvious!  ;D

PS: I hope this was free service?
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 02, 2017, 05:24:28 pm
I specialize in the accurate interpretation of highly complex situations, even in the absence of reliable information.   ;D
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 02, 2017, 06:57:39 pm
By contrast I specialise in simple solutions to situations where all the information is reliable and available for misinterpretation.

Two members of a greater team with all bases covered.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 02, 2017, 07:23:33 pm
Heh !  Bookends, so to speak.   ;)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 03, 2017, 07:09:41 am
Think I might have found a practical answer to all the hysteria  8)

I downloaded/installed the Opera dev release, and I'm testing it as we 'speak'.  Opera has *FREE* VPN baked in ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_Screenshot_2017-04-03_04:00:05.png)


Gotta run.  BBL
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 04, 2017, 07:18:01 am
OPERA FOLLOW-UP

The implementation of the *FREE* unlimited VPN feature in Opera Developer is seamless, and works great -- click, click, click, and you're done.  Too great, actually.

Every time I logged into LinkedIn, it triggered a 'suspicious activity' algo [because the VPN kept switching IPs].  And, each time, this generated an email with a new login key code, which I needed to provide before completing the login.  By the end of the day, the algo informed me that I had used up all my allotted keys for the day.  LoL !

I'll keep Opera around, on my laptop, for use on unsecured guest logins at hotspots, airports, court room buildings, and so forth, but I don't plan to use it on a daily basis.

My 'problem' is: there are a handful of extensions that I use on Chromium [and Fx] that I can't live without, and most of them are unavailable in Opera.

That said, Opera will be perfect for hiding behind the curtains in public venues ...  ;)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 04, 2017, 03:30:07 pm
Think I might have found a practical answer to all the hysteria  8)

I downloaded/installed the Opera dev release, and I'm testing it as we 'speak'.  Opera has *FREE* VPN baked in ...

Last time I tried Opera beta, VinDSL, it was very, very buggy. (Actually Opera stable and Opera beta have been buggy for years.)  In my case I always had to keep minimizing my home page in order to make it fit my screen.  Also, the Peppermix-Dark-7 themes haven't worked well with Opera's bookmark's bar for a long time either.  All that said, how's that Opera dev working out for you?  Another friend suggested it to me as a privacy solution too --along with changing DNS providers and using DNSCrypt too, of course. ;)

Thanks.

perknh
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 04, 2017, 07:00:04 pm
Last time I tried Opera beta, VinDSL, it was very, very buggy [...] (Actually Opera stable and Opera beta have been buggy for years.)  In my case I always had to keep minimizing my home page in order to make it fit my screen.  Also, the Peppermix-Dark-7 themes haven't worked well with Opera's bookmark's bar for a long time either.

Well, yes, I tried Opera [Chromium-based] when it first came out, and I hated it !  Not only was it buggy, but I was an Opera  12 fanboi  8)


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot%20at%202011-08-07%2005:22:25.png)


I haven't run across anything that I would consider a bug, in the Opera 45 dev release, except the white-on-white text in the menu dialogs.  I super-hate that !  And, it doesn't exist on the stable ver. so maybe it's a fluke, or maybe they did it on purpose.  Europeans seem to like white-on-white text.

Anyway, you might want to give Opera another shot, and see what you think.

Dark theming seems to look/work just fine on my Peppermint 7 Respin desktop machine ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_Screenshot_2017-04-04_15:21:37.png)



(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_Screenshot_2017-04-04_15:30:10.png)


Only complaint I have is the lack of my favorite extensions.  Maybe I'll download the Chromium vers and install them manually.   ;)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 04, 2017, 07:03:28 pm
BTW, I was using Opera stable at work, today, via a VPN proxy server in Turkey. 

It was almost as quick as going barefoot -- hardly any lag at all !
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 04, 2017, 07:35:04 pm
It's still Chromium based isn't it ?

Yet IIRC it doesn't support Chromiums --app mode, so can't be made to work with ICE

Is it open source ?

Is there a PPA ?
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 04, 2017, 07:42:21 pm
That looks good, VinDSL.  Thanks for taking the time to share all those screen shots.  I appreciate it. ;)

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Only complaint I have is the lack of my favorite extensions.  Maybe I'll download the Chromium vers and install them manually.  --VinDSL

Have you seen this extension, VinDSL?  It's called the Download Chrome Extension.  I've always found it handy.

https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/ (https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/)


By the way, this conversation just took place on my local PBS channel.  I thought of you when I heard the arguments.  I suspect it hasn't played in Arizona yet.

How will new law blocking internet privacy rules affect you?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/videos/#211770 (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/videos/#211770)

Thank you VinDSL.  I install Opera Stable via the command line.  We have the commands right here (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4802.msg47936.html#msg47936) in Peppermint.  I'll just change the words opera-beta to opera-stable in the commands.  This should be the same as downloading directly from its site.  Maybe installing it this way would be more secure than going into the wild to find it. :-\

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It's still Chromium based isn't it ? --PCNetSpec

Hey, a question I can answer.  Yes, it is.  And although Opera is owned by a Chinese consortium, it still operates under Norwegian law.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 04, 2017, 08:46:31 pm
It's still Chromium based isn't it ?

Yet IIRC it doesn't support Chromiums --app mode, so can't be made to work with ICE

Is it open source ?

Is there a PPA ?

I'll need to research those.

After 24 hours, I decided I didn't want to run Opera every day, but damnit...
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 04, 2017, 08:47:29 pm

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Only complaint I have is the lack of my favorite extensions.  Maybe I'll download the Chromium vers and install them manually.  --VinDSL

Have you seen this extension, VinDSL?  It's called the Download Chrome Extension.  I've always found it handy.

Now you did it !   :D

EDIT

Thanks, man !  All my Chromium extensions are installed, and working correctly. YaY !

Also, I switched my Opera VPN to Hermsdorf, Germany.  Now I'll be able to hear tunes, on the DJ site, that are blocked in this country.   :)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 04, 2017, 09:44:10 pm
It's still Chromium based isn't it ?

Yet IIRC it doesn't support Chromiums --app mode, so can't be made to work with ICE.

This (from your images above) strongly suggests that it is still Chromium based:-

(https://i.imgur.com/uefoBkP.png)

Is it open source ?

Is there a PPA ?

My GUESS to these two are that it's proprietary (at least the bits not owned by Google), and that's why they only distribute it pre-packaged via their own repo. Reinforced  by there being an EULA link under my red highlight in your pic.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 04, 2017, 10:50:24 pm
I'm gonna run with it, for awhile, now that I got my beloved extensions working.  It's like Chromium on ... well, you know.

This thing is a hoot !  Greetz from Deutschland ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_Selectionshot_2017-04-04_19:42:04.png)

Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 04, 2017, 10:55:10 pm
The VPN VinDSL is showing us looks interesting. :)

When I think of it, if some of us here to decide to use Opera, we've got to remember to enable Power User mode in Settings.  Why Opera tucks its advanced settings away, and why it makes us use the Konami code, I don't understand, but they do.

Here (http://techdows.com/2014/06/use-konami-code-to-enable-power-user-settings-in-opera.html) are the simple instructions to enable Power User mode in Opera.  Things are a bit hidden in Opera's settings.  Remember also to put a check in that box in the bottom left corner of Privacy and security to "[a]lways show power user settings."  That will make life using Opera a lot more convenient. ;)

This, by the way, is what I like about Opera:

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How do we protect your data?
We treat your personal data as required by law. We are a Norwegian company and we follow Norwegian data-security laws as well as other national legislation, as needed. We require that our suppliers successfully pass security assessments and prove their compliance with applicable laws and industry standards. --part of Opera's Privacy Statement

After seeing you guys working with the developer mode, I decided to install Opera beta again, but, in my case, I still have to resize it for my screen.  That bug never seems to go away.  ::)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 05, 2017, 06:51:41 am
After seeing you guys working with the developer mode, I decided to install Opera beta again, but, in my case, I still have to resize it for my screen.  That bug never seems to go away.  ::)

Just haxor the .desktop file.

I need to adjust the window size, so I can turn my 29" Dell Ultra-wide monitor into [basically] 2x19" monitors. 

In my case, I want the browser window size to be 1276x1052, when I open any browser.

Here is the CLI switch.  Use it to determine the size you want:

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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  opera-developer --window-size=1276,1052


When you finally figure out the exact size you need, haxor the .desktop file.

Here's my 'opera-developer.desktop' haxor, as an example:

Code: [Select]
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Opera developer
GenericName=Web browser
Comment=Fast and secure web browser
TryExec=opera-developer
Exec=opera-developer --window-size=1276,1052  %U
Terminal=false
Icon=opera-developer
Type=Application
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;
MimeType=text/html;text/xml;application/xhtml_xml;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;x-scheme-handler/ftp;application/x-opera-download;
Actions=NewWindow;NewPrivateWindow;

[Desktop Action NewWindow]
Name=New Window
Exec=opera-developer

[Desktop Action NewPrivateWindow]
Name=New Private Window
Exec=opera-developer --private

I got rid of the 'Unity' references in the 'Actions', too, to keep it clean ...  8)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 05, 2017, 08:13:15 am
Greetz from Deutschland ...

LOL :))

I'm not knocking its use .. just thinking we can't possibly default to it.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 05, 2017, 07:29:21 pm
Uh-oh !

I *think* I'm smitten ...

Thanks a lot, perknh   :P

Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 05, 2017, 09:41:24 pm
Hi VinDSL,

My screen's resolution 1600x900.  So I guess that's what I need to work with here.  I guess I'd be opera-beta --window-size=1600,900.  Are we talking about using gedit to straighten out my Opera-beta?  I found Opera-beta in .config, but I don't know what to do with it. :(

Uh-oh !

I *think* I'm smitten ...

Thanks a lot, perknh   :P

Good.  I've always known that Opera has all the potential in the world.  It looks like you're the guy who's discovered how to actuate it! :)

IMO, even though all the Nordic countries put the rest of the world to shame when it comes to privacy rights, I'd say if there's an Icelandic option in that VPN, Iceland would be the safest bet of all.  But, of course, having a browser from Noway is a safe bet too. ;)

perknh
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 05, 2017, 11:32:17 pm
My screen's resolution 1600x900.  So I guess that's what I need to work with here.  I guess I'd be opera-beta --window-size=1600,900.  Are we talking about using gedit to straighten out my Opera-beta?  I found Opera-beta in .config, but I don't know what to do with it.

The .desktop file should be in '/usr/share/applications'

The full path to my .desktop file is '/usr/share/applications/opera-developer.desktop'

I'm not sure what your file is called -- probably 'opera-beta.desktop' or 'opera.desktop'

I navigate to the '/usr/share/applications' folder using the File Manager, right-click on a blank area and 'Open as Root'. Then, right-click the Opera desktop file and choose Open with Pluma.  Finally, I make the changes, save, and then test the Opera window size by simply starting Opera, from the main menu.  If it still doesn't look right, close Opera, wash, rinse, and restyle.

Does that make sense ?
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 07, 2017, 07:10:50 am
Hi VinDSL.

Quote
Does that make sense ? --VinDSL

Yes, it does.  It's called Opera beta in my applications, and Opera beta.desktop in Pluma.  There's a space between Opera and beta.desktop.

VinDSL, do you see anything here below that I'm doing wrong?  The darn thing still doesn't resize for me. :-\

By the way, does your Opera Speed Dial now show Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp?  If so, this browser could be a game-changer for my wife and me.  Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp only are the only affordable ways I know of (other than magicJack or Skype) to communicate with people in Latin America.  (And, for whatever reasons, the younger generations do not appear to be gravitating towards Skype.)

Thank you,

perknh

Code: [Select]
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Opera beta
GenericName=Web browser
Comment=Fast and secure web browser
TryExec=opera-beta
Exec=opera-beta --window-size=1600,900 %U
Terminal=false
Icon=opera-beta
Type=Application
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;
MimeType=text/html;text/xml;application/xhtml_xml;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;x-scheme-handler/ftp;application/x-opera-download;
Actions=NewWindow;NewPrivateWindow;

Name[en_US]=Opera beta

[Desktop Action NewWindow]
Name=New Window
Exec=opera-beta --new-window
TargetEnvironment=Unity

[Desktop Action NewPrivateWindow]
Name=New Private Window
Exec=opera-beta --private
TargetEnvironment=Unity

P.S.
These days I'm not online as much as I would usually be.  These days I need to be here, there, and everywhere --but I'll be back! ;)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: Slim.Fatz on April 07, 2017, 08:27:56 am
Hi perknh,

I really don't know if this makes any difference, but it would not hurt to try the following. In your .desktop file remove the two lines near the bottom that each read:

Code: [Select]
TargetEnvironment=Unity
You do not need these when the Peppermint desktop (I suppose that they might be needed when working with the Unity desktop environment).

I hope it works.  :) If not, just add the two lines again in the same two places they were found.  8)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 07, 2017, 02:39:57 pm
I really don't know if this makes any difference, but it would not hurt to try the following. In your .desktop file remove the two lines near the bottom that each read:

Code: [Select]
TargetEnvironment=Unity
You do not need these when the Peppermint desktop (I suppose that they might be needed when working with the Unity desktop environment).

I hope it works.  :) If not, just add the two lines again in the same two places they were found.  8)

That's a terrific observation, Slim.Fatz, and it makes a lot of sense.

I did what you said, and, after that, I also tried replacing Unity with Peppermint, then Xubuntu, and, finally, Xfce, but, unfortunately, I had no luck.  That said, removing, or swapping out, Unity with something else, along with changing my screen size numbers, seems to be what I need to do next.  Right now, I'm using my screen's resolution as my numerical base, but, honestly, I don't know what that has to do with my screen's size --other than for visual clarity.  How to figure out my screen's physical size, along with changing the Target Environment --that's what I think I need to learn how to do next.
 On the other hand, perhaps I'm overthinking this. :-\

Thank you, Slim.Fatz, and VinDSL, for aiming me in the right direction. ;)

perknh
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 07, 2017, 08:22:40 pm
If anything, the TargetEnvironment would be LXDE .. but it'll really make no difference.

What exactly is the problem here (too busy/lazy to read this entire topic to figure it out) ?

[EDIT]

Actually, if you're having a problem with something, can you please raise a support topic for it .. this is "General Discussion" ;)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 08, 2017, 01:27:03 pm
Uh-oh !

I *think* I'm smitten ...

Thanks a lot, perknh   :P

Correction:  I'm officially hooked on Opera !

Haven't started Chromium in days -- haven't even thought about it, actually.

Parting is such sweet sorrow ... 8)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 08, 2017, 04:04:18 pm
So right when I'm considering Chromium, everyone else has moved on .. story of my life ::)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 08, 2017, 04:35:05 pm
Chromium is good enough.  I like what Opera did with it -- that's all.

It's easy to match Opera's look n' feel to the Peppermint-Dark-7 theme. 

Dittos for matching Thunderbird, Guayadeque, and Conky ...   ;)

Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 08, 2017, 08:19:56 pm
Ah, so right when I'm about to move on.....

:))
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 11, 2017, 06:56:54 am
I read a couple of old threads, in these forums, concerning Flash on Opera. 

For shiggles, I decided to test Flash in the Opera 46 dev release.

Gotta say, the options are rather compelling ... and, I'm a Flash hater. 

'Click-to-play' might be a viable compromise ...   8)


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_Screenshot_2017-04-11_03:43:47.png)

Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 11, 2017, 08:11:28 am
Here's (https://soundcloud.com/scifri/how-trump-is-letting-internet-providers-sell-your-data) an episode from last Friday's ScienceFriday (http://www.sciencefriday.com/), with Ira Flatow (http://www.sciencefriday.com/person/ira-flatow/), discussing the new law.  The program then gives a link   
on how to setup a VPN (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/02/how_to_set_up_a_virtual_private_network.html) .  I haven't had a chance to dig deeply into VPNs at this point, but I hope the link will be helpful.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 11, 2017, 10:43:51 am
I read a couple of old threads, in these forums, concerning Flash on Opera. 

For shiggles, I decided to test Flash in the Opera 46 dev release.

Gotta say, the options are rather compelling ... and, I'm a Flash hater. 

'Click-to-play' might be a viable compromise ...   8)


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_Screenshot_2017-04-11_03:43:47.png)

Odd that yours says you don't have the latest version of flashplayer .. mine says I **do** have the latest version, yet it still says I have 25.0.0.127 :-\

Opera Developer 46.0.2556.0

But yeah, click to play is a MUST .. and something I always do via flashblock in FF
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 19, 2017, 08:36:45 pm
@ perknh

Thought you might find this interesting ...    :)

I've been busy, building my Dell E6430 (https://goo.gl/qEXKK2) Peppermint/'10' 'Road Warrior' lappy.  I need to have it finished by the first week of May, for a maiden voyage to Vegas. 

I ordered an OEM backlit LED keyboard (https://goo.gl/tqYXoS) yesterday.  It should be here in a couple of days -  and that'll be the last hardware upgrade I'll be doing to it.

On the software end, I've tried three different vers of Opera, and truthfully, the only one I like is the dev release - currently at 46.0.2567.0.  I like it so much that I purged Chromium and Firefudge from this machine.

Anyway, I just got done doing the 'window-size' trick in Opera-Developer, and it didn't work - just like you.  So, I tried twice and thrice, and still no difference  :-\

Then, it dawned on me that I was clicking the Opera button that I had placed on the panel, last week, pre-haxor.  When I tried the Opera button in the Whisker Menu, it resized just fine.  So, I removed the Opera button from the panel, and replaced it with a new copy from the Whisker Menu ... Bingo !


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_Screenshot_2017-04-19_16:58:09.png)


I wonder if that's the same problem you've been experiencing.  Which button were you clicking ?

BTW, I added the 'Internet' category to the Opera-Developer .desktop file, just to be sure.  Here's what it looks like:

Code: [Select]
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Opera developer
GenericName=Web browser
Comment=Fast and secure web browser
TryExec=opera-developer
Exec=opera-developer --window-size=1100,739 %U
Terminal=false
Icon=opera-developer
Type=Application
Categories=Internet;Network;WebBrowser;
MimeType=text/html;text/xml;application/xhtml_xml;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;x-scheme-handler/ftp;application/x-opera-download;
Actions=NewWindow;NewPrivateWindow;

[Desktop Action NewWindow]
Name=New Window
Exec=opera-developer --new-window

[Desktop Action NewPrivateWindow]
Name=New Private Window
Exec=opera-developer --private

Okay, back at it ...  8)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 19, 2017, 09:01:57 pm
Okay now I'm genuinely annoyed .. I must be loosing my touch, I couldn't break it when I tried .. normally something I have an unnerving knack for >:(
(you don't get good at fixing stuff sans that knack)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 19, 2017, 09:33:44 pm
Heh, ikr ?   :D

I presumed when you add a link to the Xfce4 Panel, it simply links back to the Whisker Menu .desktop entry - but, now I *think* it  copy n' pastes the original.

I don't have time to do forensics, right now.  But, I'd be curious to see what's going on in the background.

I did a restart, and the panel button still wasn't picking up the haxored .desktop file - until I removed the button from the panel and added it again, post-haxor, via the Whisker Menu 'Add to Panel' option.

Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 19, 2017, 10:26:26 pm
When you add a launcher to the xfce4-panel a .desktop file gets created in

~/.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-n/gibberish.desktop

(where "n" is a number)

(and "gibberish" is some random string of 11 digits)

You'll have to hunt through the "launcher-n" directories opening the .desktop files within until you find the one for Opera .. then make your edits to that file.

HTH :)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 20, 2017, 12:39:04 am
Good job, detective ! 

Needs a sanity check ...   8)
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 20, 2017, 08:09:07 am
@ perknh

Thought you might find this interesting ...    :)


Anyway, I just got done doing the 'window-size' trick in Opera-Developer, and it didn't work - just like you.  So, I tried twice and thrice, and still no difference  :-\

Then, it dawned on me that I was clicking the Opera button that I had placed on the panel, last week, pre-haxor.  When I tried the Opera button in the Whisker Menu, it resized just fine.  So, I removed the Opera button from the panel, and replaced it with a new copy from the Whisker Menu ... Bingo !

I wonder if that's the same problem you've been experiencing.  Which button were you clicking ?

Hi VinDSL,

My solution was absurdly simple:  I just needed to install Opera beta from Opera itself, and not from the command line.  PCNetSpec helped me with the detective work.  And, after installing from Opera, I discovered I had a corrupted Opera installation in my .config folder.  Also, by doing this, I ended up with two icons in my .desktop folder.  Unfortunately I deleted the wrong icon by mistake.  That meant that I kept the icon that sized my desktop incorrectly.  I've since uninstalled everything from Opera.  I haven't had a chance to get back to it yet, VinDSL --but it certainly is a beautiful browser. :)

I'm not sure if Opera has issues with Flash or not --but I suspect it does.:-\ So, for quick and dirty when I need Flash, I installed Chrome beta as my backup browser.

perknh
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 20, 2017, 11:50:21 am
Nope, Opera can be  made to work with flash.
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4802.msg53995.html#msg53995
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: spence on April 20, 2017, 12:56:41 pm
Okay that may have clarified things, but as I'm lazy and can't be *rsed to check .. does this mean they can't sell your history/data ?
It means the playing field has been leveled, allowing ISPs access to what every website on the planet already has... if people were truly worried about their data, they'd not be signed up with most of the websites they already are giving all that telemetry to...  #fakeNews #disingenuous
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 20, 2017, 01:16:32 pm
There's a BIG difference between what a website knows about you and what your ISP potentially has access to (which is everything you do online) ?

[EDIT]

I'm not saying I understand the intricacies of this "bill" (?) and/or that it allows them to sell everything .. just that the potential for misuse is probably a few of orders of magnitude larger.

Is it not akin to your telephone company or the USPO being able to sell lists of who you called/mailed (if not the actual contents) ?
(again, please understand I'm NOT really following this, so make no claims of understanding it)

But I'm not seeing a "level playing field" between what your ISP has access to and what a visited website can garner about your browsing habits.
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: perknh on April 20, 2017, 02:04:49 pm
It means the playing field has been leveled, allowing ISPs access to what every website on the planet already has... if people were truly worried about their data, they'd not be signed up with most of the websites they already are giving all that telemetry to...  #fakeNews #disingenuous

That's the argument in a nutsehell, but IMO it's a weak one.  Also, to add with what PCNetSpec has just said, this is nothing having numerous email providers to choose from --say from potentially nosy Outlook and Gmail to privacy-conscious Tutanota.  People do have choices with what email provider they use.  But, when it comes to highspeed ISPs, one third of Americans have not choice at all.  One third (http://www.pcmag.com/news/350062/one-third-of-americans-still-lack-real-home-broadband-compet)!  And, for folks like me who live in a rural market, I have a choice between two ISPs --one is expensive, and the other is prohibitively expensive. (I've wisely chosen the expensive one. ;D)  Maybe, MAYBE, I could put a dish on my roof, but I've heard the connection is so-so at best, and the dish has lots of hidden costs and fees.  I don't see more dishes on people's roofs these days; I see fewer.  At its best, this is a rotten bill regarding privacy.  Adios, privacy --bye-bye!
Title: Re: Senate votes to let ISPs sell your Web browsing history to advertisers
Post by: VinDSL on April 21, 2017, 10:36:23 pm
I ordered an OEM backlit LED keyboard (https://goo.gl/tqYXoS) yesterday.  It should be here in a couple of days -  and that'll be the last hardware upgrade I'll be doing to it.

Dern it !   There's a fart in every carload ...

The backlit keyboard worked, but it's in used condition and filthy -- not new, as described.  Plus, a couple of keys are cracked or chipped -- backlight shining through.

The topper is, the 'Caps Lock' key is in Spanish.  It says 'Bloq Mayús'.  All the rest are in English  ::)

I can put up with cookie crumbs, dried Coke stains, and chipped keys, but that Bloq Mayús button is going to drive me crazy.

I've sent a message to the seller.  We'll see what happens ...