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General => GNU/Linux Discussion => Topic started by: harishpathangay on January 16, 2017, 12:41:19 am

Title: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: harishpathangay on January 16, 2017, 12:41:19 am
Hi,
With Lubuntu switching to LxQt as default DE, will it impact PM 8 or any future release?
I think PM is based on Lubuntu.

What I am exactly looking for is:
Assuming Lubuntu has made the switch to LxQt and they have developed some specific apps or utilities for configuration of LxQt. Will I get those same changes if in install LxQt in DE in Peppermint also.
What ever Lubuntu Dev is doing for LxQt will I get those changes [apps/utilities/styles/themes etc specifically] if I install LxQt in PM also?

Thanks,
Harish P
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 16, 2017, 01:36:56 am
Hi,
With Lubuntu switching to LxQt as default DE, will it impact PM 8 or any future release?
I think PM is based on Lubuntu.

What I am exactly looking for is:
Assuming Lubuntu has made the switch to LXqt and they have developed some specific apps or utilities for configuration of LxQt. Will I get those same changes if in install LxQt in DE in Peppermint also.
What ever Lubuntu Dev is doing for LxQt will I get those changes [apps/utilities/styles/themes etc specifically] if I install LxQt in PM also?

Thanks,
Harish P
Peppermint has no intention of making LXqt the default desktop environment for for Peppermint 8.  The development team will continue to develop the Peppermint Hybrid Desktop for the foreseeable future.  This development is independent of both LXDE and LXqt.  Any association with Lubuntu is now more historical than anything else.  Peppermint doesn't directly follow Lubuntu's development path ;).
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: harishpathangay on January 16, 2017, 03:23:43 am
Hi,
I have to put the question in different way.

lubuntu-qt-desktop and lxqt-desktop both are LxQt only. When I use synaptic in PM which one should I install?

lubuntu-qt-desktop will not be available in PM itself? Is that correct.

Thanks,
Harish P
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: zebedeeboss on January 16, 2017, 04:16:26 am
Hi,
I have to put the question in different way.

lubuntu-qt-desktop and lxqt-desktop both are LxQt only. When I use synaptic in PM which one should I install?

lubuntu-qt-desktop will not be available in PM itself? Is that correct.

Thanks,
Harish P

Hi harishpathangay,

Neither as they both take you outside the support remit of this Forum.  Nobody here will have that particular mix so won't be able to tell you what is and what is not correct if you come across any errors.  The developers and Team Peppermint spent months and months testing the current setup.  Any new desktop environments you choose to install may very well "break" the cohesive unit that makes Peppermint OS 7 so good.

If you want LXDE Desktop - it would be far better to install Lubuntu.

Regards Zeb...

ps This post is not representative of the views of the Peppermint Developers.   It is just my take on the situation.
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on January 16, 2017, 05:43:24 am
Hi harishpathangay,

I agree with zebedeeboss. Feel free to mutilate your Peppermint Seven installation as you desire, but with the understanding that you will most probably have to repair the damage yourself. I, too, know of no one on the Peppermint Team that has such an adulterated installation.

But, of course, you are free to do as you wish -- just be prepared to wipe it off of your HDD and do a fresh re-installation when it eventually no longer works.  ;)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 16, 2017, 05:47:51 am
If ANY package is available in the Ubuntu repos (for Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu) it WILL be available in Peppermint as we use the upstream repos .. that said, if you choose to install a different DE to our default one you're kind of on your own.

We won't be able to offer support for it, and I'll guarantee Ubuntu won't support it either.
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: harishpathangay on January 16, 2017, 06:26:07 am
ok thanks.

Exactly PcNetSpec:
ANY package is available in the Ubuntu repos (for Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu) it WILL be available in Peppermint as we use the upstream repos

I do not see lubuntu-qt-desktop package rather LxQt package only. Are they same or should I wait for next release or something?

thanks,
harish p
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 16, 2017, 06:29:01 am
Sorry I currently have no idea if they provide the same thing(s).
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt and impact of that on PM 8 or any future release?
Post by: harishpathangay on January 16, 2017, 07:48:36 am
ok thanks. I see this is happening only for lubuntu-qt-desktop?

Ubuntu Mate - has Mate Default DE, but also has xfce,gnome,plasma etc in repos.
Xubuntu - has XFCE Default DE, but also has gnome,plasma,mate etc in repos.
Ubuntu Gnome - has Gnome Default DE, but also has xfce,mate,plasma etc in repos.

I do not find lubuntu-qt-desktop in Peppermint. I do not know about other distributions.
I hope you get what I am intending to say. Rest I leave it to Linux Experts. I am just a Linux Beginner.

Please consider this thread closed.

Thanks,
Harish P
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: harishpathangay on January 16, 2017, 12:26:28 pm
Hi,
I get it now.
lubuntu-qt-desktop package is only available in 16.10 and above.
PM 7 is 16.04 based. I think hence it is not available in PM repos.

if PM 8 is based on 17.04, then it will have that package in repos.
Whether if I install or not or not supported was not the question. This is not a DE specific thing either.
I would have been happy if you would have extended that help, considering I am not a Linux Medium level user also.
 
Thanks,
Harish Pathangay
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: perknh on January 16, 2017, 12:53:50 pm
Hi harishpathangay,

Do you have to have that "qt", harishpathangay?  If you don't, just go back one version of Peppermint to Peppermint 6.  It's an excellent Peppermint distribution, and it's security supported until 2019.  If it's the "qt" thing you want --that's not Peppermint*.  However if you prefer an LXDE-style DE, we got you covered with Peppermint 6 --and Peppermint 6 is gorgeous.


* According to DistroWatch, Debian, Manjaro Linux, Mageia, SparkyLinux, GeckoLinux, ExTix, Calculate Linux, siduction, and Linux From Scratch all have, or support, the LXQt desktop.  My recommendation is that you use Peppermint 6 (https://peppermintos.com/previous/).  Peppermint 6 is well-developed and as stable as a rock.  :)
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: murraymint on January 16, 2017, 12:55:56 pm

I would have been happy if you would have extended that help, considering I am not a Linux Medium level user also.

If you're asking about Lubuntu repos you can't expect Peppermint users to be familiar with them. It's not a case of anyone withholding help.
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: perknh on January 16, 2017, 01:27:34 pm
If you're asking about Lubuntu repos you can't expect Peppermint users to be familiar with them. It's not a case of anyone withholding help.

That is so true.  Peppermint 6's command line, Software Manager, and Synaptic Package Manager covers just about everything an ordinary user would need.  There's no need to go further than Peppermint 6 to have a rich and rewarding LXDE experience.  Peppermint 6 is truly Peppermint's crown jewel of LXDE-style desktop environments.  It's a fantastic little distribution. :)

We sell one helluva Xfce-style DE, and we sell one helluva LXDE-style DE, and at a very reasonable price.  BUT, if you want Qt packages from here, you're soon discover that you're shopping in the wrong store. ;)
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 16, 2017, 04:25:57 pm
Quote
if PM 8 is based on 17.04, then it will have that package in repos.
Whether if I install or not or not supported was not the question. This is not a DE specific thing either.
I would have been happy if you would have extended that help, considering I am not a Linux Medium level user also.

Okay I'll be as clear as I can .. I have no idea which "qt" packages are available for which versions of Ubuntu (and therefore Peppermint) or how to install them, we don't use them so I don't check :)

I'm guessing that didn't help much but it's the best I can do, I simply don't know .. now ask me a question about "Peppermint" and that's a different matter entirely.....

I think what people are trying to say is you're asking a question that is pretty far removed for the normal remit of this forum.
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: harishpathangay on January 17, 2017, 04:00:41 am
I am getting confused. But the way I see Linux is not attached with a DE.
I do understand that I am not allowed to ask for help if I get something bad after installing another DE.
What I do not understand is, if I am not able to find a package in PM repos, then to whom I will ask for it. do not ask me to compile from source. A packaged software should be available in repos right?.

Let us say I want to install gnome-system-monitor, but if I do not find it in repos, whom I will ask? I understand if gnome-system-monitor crashes and it is not running you will not help me, as it is not your code. but if you do not even provide the package in repos then also you will not own up to it. that I am not able to understand.

with any Linux OS people are always willing to try and install so many different software, do not look at DE only. For some reason if Libre Office is not popping up in Repos then to whom I will ask?. I thought there is an understanding to bring more free software across Linux Distributions irrespective of their default DE by means of repositories. For example, Libre Office even though a downloadable debian package is there, I will not install it. I should first look in Package Repos, if it is not available then I should go for other alternatives. With this intention only I asked the question.

I will try to use "GNU/Linux Group" in Peppermint Forum going forward to post such things.
or Should I not use that also? Please let me know.   
 
thanks,
harish pathangay
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: harishpathangay on January 17, 2017, 04:20:10 am
I kindly request Administrator to move this discussion to "GNU/Linux Board" if it is relevant there.
I think I did the mistake of posting this discussion in "General Discussion Board".

Did I get it? or you will still not help me in that board also? Let me know, I will not disturb you.

thanks,
harish p
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: Slim.Fatz on January 17, 2017, 05:35:13 am
Hi harishpathangay,

You must understand that the Peppermint Team has only a small group of volunteers and also a quite small Peppermint repository. The vast majority of the other packages that you see in the repository are not there as a result of the Peppermint Team. These are all (as I understand it) in the Ubuntu repositories that the Peppermint Team has linked into the apt package system included in the standard Peppermint installation.

If you wish to have something that is not in the repositories added to them, then you could perhaps contact the developers of the package(s), or place a request with the Ubuntu people that they add the package to the repos.

Other than that: Google or DuckDuckGo should be used to search for Debian packages for the program you are interested in having. Your final option (as I see it) is the one that you have excluded: compile the source code yourself (I personally do not do this, but any people do).

Regards,

-- Slim


Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 17, 2017, 05:37:04 am
Hi harishpathangay, it's not that we don't want to help you with issues concerning qt.  It's because it's not used in the default Peppermint builds.  We have next to zero experience with qtPeppermint only officially supports one desktop environment, that being the Hybrid Peppermint Desktop Environment.  If we provided an official Peppermint LXqt ISO, we would naturally support it.  The fact of the matter is, we don't offer that as an option.  If a user chooses to use or experiment with other desktops, that's up to them.  We'll endeavour to help if we are able.  However, we can't make any guarantees and as any assistance is unofficial.  As such, we won't take any responsibility if it all goes wrong.  We obviously prefer this not to occur.  It's therefore highly likely, we'll decline to provide assistance to most of the queries that fall into this category.  Any unofficial help is more than likely to come from another member who has experience with that particular DE or package.  For this to happen, there must first be a forum member with the relevant experience.  Again we must emphasise that any such assistance is unofficial  ;).

If you have an issue with packages that are pretty much universally accepted across all distro.  A good example of this is the metapackage containing LibreOffice, GIMP and Scribus.  You'll have noticed these packages are not included in the installation ISO.  Instead we've made them available to users as part of the Peppermint Office Pack in the Software Manager.  Naturally, we'll do what we can to support their functionality within the Peppermint framework. 

Anything that isn't directly used or associated with the default Peppermint build, we can't provide official support.  We welcome the results of any independent research and experimentation.  If people want to use Peppermint as a base for their experimentations, that's up to them.  We won't ever do anything to hinder them.  It's up to them to do their own research and find solutions to any issues they may encounter.   I hope this explains the function of the Peppermint Forum and the responsibilities of Team Peppermint  ;).
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: harishpathangay on January 17, 2017, 05:48:09 am
 thanks to all.

thanks again,
harish pathangay
Title: Re: lubuntu switching to LxQt-impact of that on PM 8 or any future release? [Closed]
Post by: harishpathangay on January 19, 2017, 11:29:00 am
I kindly and politely request Administrator of forum to move this topic to "GNU/Linux"  Board/Discussion as it is where it belongs.

thanks,
harish pathangay