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Title: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 21, 2016, 06:29:09 am
Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You

By Brian Feldman (http://nymag.com/author/Brian%20Feldman/) for nymag.com (http://nymag.com/newyork/aboutus/)

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/11/heres-a-browser-extension-that-will-flag-fake-news-sites.html

 :-\
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 21, 2016, 06:35:20 am
But aren't they often the most interesting to "quote" .. gonna be hard to quote things like "US run by alien in disguise" and "Alien scientists find it difficult to mimic human hair" when a popup keeps telling me they're not real .. but then again "it's all a conspiracy to hide the fact", there we go normal service resumed :)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 21, 2016, 08:12:31 am
But aren't they often the most interesting to "quote" .. gonna be hard to quote things like "US run by alien in disguise" and "Alien scientists find it difficult to mimic human hair" when a popup keeps telling me they're not real .. but then again "it's all a conspiracy to hide the fact", there we go normal service resumed :)

Half asleep here.  Read your post far too quickly this morning.  Thought you said, "US to be run by possible alien in disguise who finds it difficult to mimic human hair."  But, would that be considered fake-news or not?  I can't disprove the headline here, although I'm quite certain it is false.  :-\

I've had an experience with fake news myself.  I was told, shortly after the US presidential election, that not only did Donald Trump win the electoral vote --which is true.  But, that he also won the popular vote --which is false.  Well, I went home and researched this, and emailed my friends a now dated Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/) piece debunking that claim, I was told that my claim was subject to dispute. (Again, I couldn't argue this because my friends themselves were disputing my claim!)

So, I asked my friends from where did they get this information --that Trump had won the popular vote.  The answer was "Facebook", and they then sent me a picture of Donald's and Hillary's faces with --forgive me-- trumped up numbers beneath their respective photos, but no original source.   When I asked from where that Facebook information was derived, I was told the New York Times.  End of story.

What has happened to journalism and references?  I don't want to put my faith in an extension to help me decipher what is true and what is false.  This is a sad day for news and journalism when we have come to this. :( 
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 21, 2016, 08:43:14 am
Nope, even half asleep I think you 'got' where I was going :)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: GNULINUX on November 21, 2016, 12:59:49 pm
Dangerous topic, asleep or not...

Oh well, let us do some basic research:
- I looked at the block list (https://github.com/bfeldman/fake-site-alert/blob/master/manifest.json) and I don't see msn.com, bbc.com, cnn.com...
- The main issue (https://github.com/bfeldman/fake-site-alert/issues/18) with this extension!
- Who is "involved"? (not a subject to publish here but very interesting)

Nothing more to add besides the fact that I could be completely misinformed and wrong or even payed to say such things!
Anyway, I'm NOT using this extension... ever...  ;)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 21, 2016, 06:00:33 pm
Dangerous topic, asleep or not...

I certainly think the implications of this topic are potentially dangerous.  Remember when advertisement blocking extensions were such a big deal, and then, over time, more and more browsers began to add ad blocking features as a "selling" point?  Well, let's think about this one; if this extension evolves in the same way as ad blockers have, might we one day have browsers that, by default, screen out what somebody else has decided as fake-news --even when it isn't?

I know we're already doing this kind of thing to some degree.  Most of us, for good reason, have have checked the box in our browsers to block malware and phishing.  Certainly nobody wants to be duped online.  But, this is different, that isn't fake-news.  But you can certainly see how the slippery slop could begin with a well-intended, seemingly innocent, little extension like this.  When does it stop blocking only fake news and begin censoring meaningful content.  Where will the line be drawn?
 
You say you "don't see msn.com, bbc.com, cnn.com..."  I get your point, but I think this is good thing.  The extension isn't YET screening for bias, or points of view.  But, then, this is only the prototype.  Let's wait and see what happens when version number 2 comes out!  :o

GNULINUX, this is going to interesting how the development of this idea unfolds.  Who knows?  Maybe the idea behind this extension will die a natural death.

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Anyway, I'm NOT using this extension... ever...  ;)

I will remove the link.  If somebody wants to use it, they can hunt it down over at Chrome Web Store (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/extensions).

I don't intend to use this extension either.  But, in this case, I felt I had a responsibility to show the reader that this wasn't a fake-news story after all!  :D
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 21, 2016, 06:07:31 pm
So the crazy aliens with weird hair are back in  ?
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 21, 2016, 06:48:21 pm
So the crazy aliens with weird hair are back in  ?

Yes, I'm sure of it.  They're in, and they're hunkering down!  ;D
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: GNULINUX on November 22, 2016, 04:22:13 am
So the crazy aliens with weird hair are back in  ?
I think you're a bad-ass Conspiracy Theorist!  >:D
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 22, 2016, 05:33:22 am
:))
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: spence on November 22, 2016, 10:36:28 am
if it doesnt block Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, Facebook, G+,  MSNBC, NYT, RT & Yahoo out of the block... I suspect its motives...   8)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: VinDSL on November 22, 2016, 11:27:44 am
Sorry for parsing, but ... first of all, 'Fake-News', so called, needs to be defined.

I spend a large part of my day/night surfing news aggregators  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_aggregator), so I'm a bit of an expert on the subject.

Having said that, I would define 'Fake-News' as any news that one does not agree with.

For the most part, it's being pushed by the NWO crowd these days, in their epic fight against the nationalists.

Good luck with that ...   8)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: VinDSL on November 22, 2016, 11:39:02 am
I did a quick search for 'Fake-News' on Wikipedia.  Here's their answer ...

LINK:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_satire

I'll stick with my definition, for the time being.   8)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 23, 2016, 09:58:12 am
I did a quick search for 'Fake-News' on Wikipedia.  Here's their answer ...

LINK:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_satire

I'll stick with my definition, for the time being.   8)

Off the top of my head, I'd say that fake news is false information, widely disseminated, which is intended to mislead its target audience, or maybe even mislead the society at large.

As many Americans reading this may know, there's a sizable movement here to go back to the Flat Earth Theory.  This movement,  in my opinion, is outright madness.  And, it's one more piece of evidence to me that the United States is on a rapid trajectory towards a more uneducated and ignorant populace.

Here, in the video below, is the Flat Earth Theory being debunked.  It also includes a short address of how such ideas, if disseminated widely enough, can cause harm to a society.  This topic is addressed here through comedy, and is [Parent Alert] undoubtedly intended for mature audiences --say, from high school age and up.

The Nightly Show - Neil deGrasse Tyson Slams Flat-Earth Theorist B.o.B

Sorce:  Comedy Central on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHBZkek8OSU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHBZkek8OSU)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2016, 10:55:17 am
As many Americans reading this may know, there's a sizable movement here to go back to the Flat Earth Theory.

Nooooooo .. all the oceans will drain off the edge, then what will we eat with our chips .. are you telling me our national dish is doomed ?

On the plus side - toasting marshmallows at the mid-Atlantic rift becomes easier.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: VinDSL on November 23, 2016, 11:44:01 am
Off the top of my head, I'd say that fake news is false information, widely disseminated, which is intended to mislead its target audience, or maybe even mislead the society at large.

Good point, on the definition of news as being the dissemination of information, but true n' false is just a matter of perspective.

There is no unique definition for any kind of truth.  Anyone can judge a thing for him/herself as a truth.  I can state this as FACT, based on my experience in Federal courtrooms.  I'll leave the truth of this statement to the determination to you, the viewer.

Anyway, this 'Fake-News' bullshiz is simply an attempt to silence opposing views and opinions IMO, but it isn't going to go down without a fight.

In the sports arena, when emotions get high, and the rules are temporarily thrown out the window, everything quickly turns into a fistfight.  That's why I like to watch boxing.  It's the purist form of sport, once again, IMO.  True or false ?

See how it works ?   :)

In the streets of His Majesties former rebel colony, this movement to silence the 'right' is going to turn into bloody, armed rebellion, if they're pushed too far.

This whole country is going to turn into a 'Chicago' if we don't tread lightly ...
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: scifidude79 on November 23, 2016, 01:04:24 pm
I think this is a good plugin.  Let people get their fake news the old fashioned way; supermarket tabloids and "news" shows like TMZ.  That's the way it was meant to be dispensed.  :P

Seriously, here's the issue with the Internet:  Anybody can write and "publish" an article about anything, without any kind of journalistic training, without researching it, without any credibility of any kind.  Hell, a paranoid schizophrenic can post "articles" on the Internet and make them sound legit.  The big problem is the people who believe anything that they read, no matter the source.  Then they re-post the "news" and twenty of their "friends" read it and some of them re-post it, link to it, etc.  No browser plugin in ths world is going to fix that problem.  Only years of therapy, or possibly blocking Internet access for people too stupid to use it properly will help.

Though, here's what I want to know: How does it determine which news is fake? (no, I didn't read the article) As VinDSL said, what's "fake" to one person isn't to another, so I sure hope it doesn't rely on people reporting sites as fakes.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 23, 2016, 03:33:38 pm
Seriously, here's the issue with the Internet:  Anybody can write and "publish" an article about anything, without any kind of journalistic training, without researching it, without any credibility of any kind.

Agreed!   And that's exactly what the creation of these extensions is trying to prevent --at least for now.  ;)

My concern over these kinds of extensions comes with their further development.  When will they begin to factor out bias?  Whose opinions will be deemed acceptable in the future?  When will one person's opinion be considered true, and the another's false --therefore flagged as fake-news and never getting the chance to be brought into the light of day for closer examination?  That's my concern with these kinds of extensions --the direction of their future development. 

Anyway, time will tell.  In the meantime, more and more of these extensions are being developed every day.  There's a market for them now, that's for sure.   

Thanks to this conversation our ours, I'm seriously considering sending The Guardian a few dollars on a regular basis.  Albeit biased politically, I still trust The Guardian to do some fact checking of its own before it publishes its articles.  It becomes clearer and clearer to me every day that our society needs good journalism now more than ever.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: spence on November 25, 2016, 02:48:48 pm
There's a saying something to the effect of  "those who control the culture control the politics"  Neil is a purveyor of many left wing strawmen, which I find sad given his otherwise stellar intellect. He'd have the rest of the world believe everyone he disagrees with is a flat earther... when in reality he's a victim of living inside the filter-bubble of the largely left leaning US media's creation...
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 25, 2016, 06:17:51 pm
Here's a clever argument:  Let's blame the ratcheting up of the fake news Americans are viewing online on the Russians.  This argument is so convenient because it negates, at one fell swoop, all of the responsibility for the problems we Americans have created for ourselves, and places the causes of these problems, instead, smack on the backs of the Russians.  And, I'm old enough to remember when, before this fake news phenomenon of today, that so many of our problems decades ago were actually of Fidel's making!  ::)

Did you ever have a bad hair day in the 80s?  Looking back at it, can't you now see it had nothing to do with you at all?  Clearly, Fidel was behind it!  ;D

Reports: Russian operation boosted 'fake news' phenomenon

by Doug Stanglin (http://Doug Stanglin) , USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/25/reports-russian-operation-boosted-fake-news-phenomenon/94424206/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/25/reports-russian-operation-boosted-fake-news-phenomenon/94424206/)

I from Missouri with this news story.  This argument just isn't working for me.  And I'm not saying, that Russian government, like many other strong and powerful governments, isn't very hurtful at times.  I'm not saying that at all.  But, blaming the American election results on the Russians because of fake-news sites --I'm just not buying it.

But, admittedly, I could be wrong all of this.  Here's the "Russians are behind much it all" argument in more detail (http://warontherocks.com/2016/11/trolling-for-trump-how-russia-is-trying-to-destroy-our-democracy/) for the curious.

@spence

Neil deGrasse Tyson --what a brilliant fellow he is!  ;)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 25, 2016, 06:49:56 pm
Is "fake news" really discussion worthy ?
(unless of course you're clutching at political straws)

News manipulation and outright lies masquerading as news have been around in one form or another since "news" began, you'd have to be an idiot to unquestioningly soak up everything you read online (or anywhere else for that matter) or to rely on someone else's news filter.

Hell, "fake news" has only become news because it fits an agenda ::)
(so isn't "fake news" fake news ?)

I have faith that most people are "generally" pretty good at self-filtering the rubbish, and have become cynical to the extent that they take little on face value these days.
(then again, maybe my sources could be suspect ???)



This (from perknh's latest link) raised an eyebrow and the corners of my mouth:-

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They want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government....

As if our western governments require help with this.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: josephd on November 25, 2016, 07:36:59 pm
All news is at the very least slanted and bias.

I don't need a Chrome extension to tell me if something is fake because i'll cross reference it along reputable news sources.

Check the source, if it's from zergnet.com or some left wing or right wing site it might as well be written by this guy.

(http://www.listsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ancient-aliens-meme-24.jpg)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 25, 2016, 07:41:01 pm
In the face of aliens I think a flat earth policy is a great idea .. there's at least a 50% chance they'll land on the wrong side and fall straight back off again.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 25, 2016, 08:03:59 pm
Is "fake news" really discussion worthy ?

Probably not.  It was the extension for "fake news" that initially alarmed me.  It still does, in fact.  But I can see extensions for "fake news" being potentially more hurtful to readers than the "fake news" itself.  And, I am saying this after witnessing people who have been clearly manipulated by "fake news" --meaning falsified election result numbers, or the Flat Earth Theory.  I've seen both of these in play here in New Hampshire (and Southern Maine).

News manipulation and outright lies masquerading as news have been around in one form or another since "news" began, you'd have to be an idiot to unquestioningly soak up everything you read online (or anywhere else for that matter) or to rely on someone else's news filter...I have faith that most people are "generally" pretty good at self-filtering the rubbish, and have become cynical to the extent that they take little on face value these days.

&

I don't need a Chrome extension to tell me if something is fake because i'll cross reference it along reputable news sources.

Exactly.  ;)

They want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government....As if our western governments require help with this.

Wasn't that a ludicrous claim?  ::)

In the face of aliens I think a flat earth policy is a great idea .. there's at least a 50% chance they'll land on the wrong side and fall straight back off again.

 :))
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 25, 2016, 08:31:46 pm
Personally I rate them alongside X-Ray apps for smartphones .. anyone willing to surrender better judgement, personal enquiry, and common sense to a third party 'app' deserves the horse sh*t they'll be fed.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 26, 2016, 03:54:41 am
I have faith that most people are "generally" pretty good at self-filtering the rubbish, and have become cynical to the extent that they take little on face value these days
Hi PCNetSpec,

I formerly shared this faith ... but (and in all due respect for your point of view) the older I get, the more I realize that this view is naively optimistic. In fact, this lack of cynicism combined with an inability to critically assess reported "facts" and "data" are what result in phenomena like "creation science", religious fanaticism, "flat earth" lunacy, etc. etc. ad nauseam.

I personally view the deterioration of critical thinking skills as the fundamental problem -- and this has many sources that I do not wish to get into here because that would open a Pandora's box of never ending messages.

Personally I rate them alongside X-Ray apps for smartphones .. anyone willing to surrender better judgement, personal enquiry, and common sense to a third party 'app' deserves the horse sh*t they'll be fed.
Eggs-actly, my mate!!  ;)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: GNULINUX on November 26, 2016, 05:52:49 am
I personally view the deterioration of critical thinking skills as the fundamental problem -- and this has many sources that I do not wish to get into here because that would open a Pandora's box of never ending messages.
+1

And we're all "influenced" by something/someone... whether we know it or not...
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 26, 2016, 10:23:15 am
...this lack of cynicism combined with an inability to critically assess reported "facts" and "data" are what result in phenomena like "creation science", religious fanaticism, "flat earth" lunacy, etc. etc. ad nauseam.

I personally view the deterioration of critical thinking skills as the fundamental problem -- and this has many sources that I do not wish to get into here because that would open a Pandora's box of never ending messages.

Please don't tell me that this general dumbing down of the people is happening in Europe too.  I know we have a educational crisis here in the States, but please don't tell me the Europeans are experiencing this crisis also.  I can't imagine Europeans falling prey to this kind of backwards intellectual nuttiness.  However, if this "deterioration of critical thinking skills" is occurring in Europe too....Well, like I said, I can't imagine it.  Please tell me this isn't so. Even the idea of this saddens me.  :'(

Add another +1 for Slim.Fatz here.  ;)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 26, 2016, 11:22:14 am
Hi perknh,

Yes, I am very sorry to say that a "general dumbing down of the people is happening in Europe too."  :(

Here in Germany we are also seeing an "educational crisis" that has been going on for at least the last ten to fifteen years. Teacher education is poorer, loss of respect for teaching in general is on the increase, lack of support for teachers (even by their own administration) is becoming more and more the norm. The students are always believed ... and they get away with so much that would have cost me painfully had I done the same when I was a teen.

But I'm not telling you anything new, so I will stop here before I go really off on a rant that no one with an ounce of intelligence really needs to read anyway.  >:(

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 26, 2016, 12:38:21 pm
I'm not convinced there's a general dumbing down (US or Europe), just that the idiots in society (who have always existed but were hidden) now have a platform in the interweb, so their drivel has become more visible as they naturally gravitate towards each other (Facebook anyone ?).

I don't think society as a whole has gotten dumber, just that the dumb now attract significant investment and advertisement.

Sure "acceptable behaviour" standards have (from my perspective) deteriorated, but that's our own fault and a whole other topic.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 27, 2016, 04:08:12 am
Hi,

My experiences in the classroom (entry level college/university and upwards) have seen a definite trend in the last twenty years, and it is not reassuring. There is a growing fraction of students who not only have deficits in critical thinking skills, integrative thinking skills and logical thinking processes, but -- and this always amazes me -- fail to understand the difference between cause and effect!  :-\

I cannot explain it, but it is perhaps somewhat/somehow related to PCNetSpec's idea: in this case the "idiots in society" that he mentions are appearing in ever greater numbers in the college and university classrooms and laboratories. This makes "their drivel" more apparent to me (as one who does not use Facebook or Twitter -- both of which must be extremely alarming, from what I hear and read from all of you and my friends and colleagues).

I am sorry to say that I suspect the lower levels of our school systems are letting poorly prepared students pass through in ever greater numbers. Some of the reasons for this I have already mentioned in my previous message. No doubt there are additional reasons as well, some of which I know about or suspect, and definitely others of which I know little or nothing about.

Regards,

-- Slim


Edit: grammatical corrections.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on December 09, 2016, 07:13:53 pm
I cannot explain it, but it is perhaps somewhat/somehow related to PCNetSpec's idea: in this case the "idiots in society" that he mentions are appearing in ever greater numbers in the college and university classrooms and laboratories. This makes "their drivel" more apparent to me (as one who does not use Facebook or Twitter -- both of which must be extremely alarming, from what I hear and read from all of you and my friends and colleagues).

I suspect that there are more college grads in Europe than the US, and, if I'm right about this, I suspect that trend will continue.  As first I began concentrating on what was behind the concept of an extension that would flag fake news.  Now I'm looking at the behavior that can result from these fake-news stories.  It's not always pretty.  No matter a person's politics, this story has been tough to avoid.  Fake news is really becoming a serious issue here, and people are getting this garbage online --on their computers, tablets, and inappropriately-named smartphone devices.

Hillary Clinton calls fake news 'an epidemic' with real world consequences

By Dan Merica, CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/hillary-clinton-fake-news-epidemic/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/hillary-clinton-fake-news-epidemic/index.html)

And a serious examination of this problem:

The ‘thrill of the chase’ in perpetuating fake news

From the PBS Newshour

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/videos/#200884 (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/videos/#200884)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 25, 2017, 12:49:03 pm
Perhaps "trust labels" will eventually replace extensions such as the Fake News Alert  (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fake-news-alert/aickfmgnhocegpdbfnpfnedpeionfkbh)extension found in the Chrome Web Store.

Google Adding Labels to Stories to Distinguish What's Credible Content

By: eWEEK Staff

http://www.eweek.com/cloud/google-adding-labels-to-stories-to-distinguish-what-s-credible-content
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: VinDSL on November 25, 2017, 08:53:36 pm
You can put MSNBC on the flagging list:  https://goo.gl/g1WMVa   ::)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 26, 2017, 03:22:00 am
You can put MSNBC on the flagging list:  https://goo.gl/g1WMVa   ::)

Yeah, I read about that.  I've now added Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough to my loooooooooong list of news media phonies.  ::)

Here (https://thetrustproject.org/faq/) is the FAQ page about the Trust Project (https://thetrustproject.org/). 
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: DougF on November 26, 2017, 08:59:00 am
Hi Folks,

Haven't posted here before, but as they say there is a first time for everything. Hope you don't all pile on me because I am not a current Peppermint user, but I like to follow the forums anyways to see the latest. Tried installing it before but to no avail. Bought a distribution at one time. But that is a story for another time. Now my spare computer is in storage. I'm going to now dodge the spitballs.  :'(

Regarding fake news:
I do think fake news is a problem, but it is rather hard to define what fake news is. Is it only false news? or could it be less obviously propaganda or ideological in nature? For what it is worth I am suspicious of this term fake news. One persons fake news can (possibly) be another persons fact. One wants truth to be reliable and without bias. But when one talks about news, the other writers slant can change the meaning of the event without presenting any contrary facts.

Honestly I wonder if the "real" news would refer to organizations that are established and these types of organizations are often beholden to the status quo. We all know how the behemoths have been complaining about lost revenue because of the internet. Other new and growing organizations with accurate reporting find themselves already at a disadvantage.

Now that I've said all that I'll crawl back into my hole. Hope this helps somehow. Oh yah i'm gotta hunt for that computer in storage and see if it still works.
Thanks
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: VinDSL on November 26, 2017, 10:40:20 am
Welcome aboard, (deleted per removal request)

Regarding fake news:
I do think fake news is a problem, but it is rather hard to define what fake news is. Is it only false news? or could it be less obviously propaganda or ideological in nature? For what it is worth I am suspicious of this term fake news. One persons fake news can (possibly) be another persons fact. One wants truth to be reliable and without bias. But when one talks about news, the other writers slant can change the meaning of the event without presenting any contrary facts.

Honestly I wonder if the "real" news would refer to organizations that are established and these types of organizations are often beholden to the status quo. We all know how the behemoths have been complaining about lost revenue because of the internet. Other new and growing organizations with accurate reporting find themselves already at a disadvantage.

Well, see... you came to the right, or -- if you'll pardon the pun -- the 'write' forum.  ;D

In the real world, I represent newspaper, magazine, and electronic media workers -- been around 'news' my whole life -- 4th generation, if you will.

The all-encompassing term 'fake news' is as good as any. It means everything and nothing, all at the same time. I judge 'fake news' to be anything designed to purposely mislead readers/viewers. To others, it's simply 'any news' that doesn't agree with their point of view.

It's all a matter of perspective, really.  But, when something is done to mislead, that's where I draw the line. To that charade, I would include almost 100% of advertising, which drives/funds the whole thing.

Personally, I think extensions/add-ons like this are the digital equivalence of sticking one's head in the sand - that's all. Ignorance (based on the word 'ignore') is bliss, you know?
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 26, 2017, 05:44:45 pm
The whole "fake news" discussion bores the sh*t out of me, there's ALWAYS been fake news, or more accurately "people intent on lying to you for whatever reason".

It is (and always was) up to the reader/listener/consumer to check facts for themselves .. or risk being duped.

The only reason "fake news" is in the news at the moment is because those bitching about it have some agenda (the established press playing protectionism, or politicians trying to deflect blame or redirect attention) .. so really "fake news" is "fake news" :)

Basically if you're too dumb to spot a lie (or satire/irony, or a hidden agenda by someone you'd normally trust that's putting a slant on their opinion) .. stop listening to others. Nothing new here.

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BTW (deleted per removal request), there's no requirement for anyone to be running Peppermint here, every Linux user (or prospective Linux user) is welcome  .. we're all friends here and nobody will pile on you simply for not running Peppermint .. you're most welcome here my mate :)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 27, 2017, 08:39:03 am
BWF DougF, there's no requirement for anyone to be running Peppermint here, every Linux user (or prospective Linux user) is welcome  .. we're all friends here and nobody will pile on you simply for not running Peppermint .. you're most welcome here my mate :)

Peppermint, this is a lettered man who posted here!  See, many, many moons ago (and I won't say how many) I attended college with, and soon become friends with, (deleted per removal request)   That said, I had no idea yesterday that a seeming innocuous thread was about to awake a giant from his slumber. :o  I'm sure glad it did, however. :)

Welcome to Peppermint forum, (deleted per removal request).  May the day soon come when our excellent distribution runs ever so lightly on one of your machines!! ;)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 27, 2017, 10:00:40 am
Well if he's a friend of yours he's a friend of mine perknh, but anyone's welcome here as long as they respect others :)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on November 27, 2017, 10:39:09 am
Well if he's a friend of yours he's a friend of mine perknh, but anyone's welcome here as long as they respect others :)

Thank you, PCNetSpec.  Two of the many things I love about this forum is that it is both inclusive and civil.  And it is civility that I see lacking on many sites of the Internet today.  :(
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: DougF on November 28, 2017, 09:37:30 am
Thank you my friend perknh. Also thanks to PCNetSpec and VinDSL for the warm welcome. I am really glad to have you as a friend PCNetSpec.

I won't say anything more about Fake News. I think I have muddied up the waters enough already  8)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 28, 2017, 10:21:25 am
I hope nobody misinterpreted my last but one posting as anything personal, it was meant in very general terms .. I just don't 'get' the whole 'fake news' thing, there's nothing new happening it's simply being 'invented' as a means to an end.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: VinDSL on November 28, 2017, 11:27:36 am
I hope nobody misinterpreted my last but one posting as anything personal[...]

NP, Chief

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I specialize in the accurate evaluation of highly complex situations, even in the absence of reliable information.

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Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 28, 2017, 11:33:04 am
'Hand in glove' then because i specialise in creating highly complex situations with no information at all :)
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on December 28, 2017, 09:35:31 am
Students develop Google Chrome extension that tells people when they are reading fake news

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The solution is not to just tell people if something is fake or not. The solution is to develop a kind of a news auto-immune system. --Alex Cui

https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/science/2017/12/27/news/students-develop-google-chrome-extension-that-tells-people-when-they-are-reading-fake-news-1219822/

I find this article interesting because this article gives you a little of the thinking behind this extension.  I, personally, wouldn't be comfortable using this kind of extension.
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: Sid on January 14, 2018, 07:06:06 pm
 -just my two cents-

 "google" and "NSA" and "tracking"- all these things set up the end-user to be indoctrinated by our beloved propaganda ministry who by the way would LOVE the chance to discern fact and fiction for the rest of us.

-no thanks
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: perknh on March 10, 2018, 08:01:53 am
Yeah, the hell with extensions, so what about a chart?

How biased is your news source? You probably won’t agree with this chart

By Shawn Langlois for MarketWatch

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28


Source of the chart:

All Generalizations are False
Home of the Media Bias Chart


The Chart, Version 3.0: What, Exactly, Are We Reading?

http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/
Title: Re: Here’s a Chrome Extension That Will Flag Fake-News Sites for You
Post by: spence on May 24, 2018, 11:51:30 am
If you are watching the news, it's fairly safe to assume you are being misinformed... or at the very least misled... #SameAsItEverWas

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“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”

― Mark Twain

Oh, and I'm with Sid, last consortium I wanna consider an authority on real vs fake news is one of our many internet media overlords... specially not google...