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General => GNU/Linux Discussion => Topic started by: Pjotr on October 07, 2016, 01:31:47 pm

Title: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: Pjotr on October 07, 2016, 01:31:47 pm
Peppermint is an interesting mix of LXDE and Xfce. Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt in some future Peppermint version, and will that affect the use of Xfce components? Or is it too early too tell?

One reason for my asking is, that I'm an upstream Dutch translator for LXQt. There's still a lot of translation work to be done, and I would like to know if there's any hurry from the Peppermint perspective.
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 07, 2016, 01:49:13 pm
No hurry from our perspective as we've no plans on going down the LXQt route.

If you think about it, our component mix and LXQt probably wouldn't be a marriage made in heaven, requiring both gtk and qt dependencies.

As for what we'll do with the few remaining LXDE components when support stops, it's a little early to say at the moment ;)
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: Pjotr on October 18, 2016, 12:43:35 pm
No hurry from our perspective as we've no plans on going down the LXQt route.

If you think about it, our component mix and LXQt probably wouldn't be a marriage made in heaven, requiring both gtk and qt dependencies.

As for what we'll do with the few remaining LXDE components when support stops, it's a little early to say at the moment ;)
LXDE has been completely abandoned by upstream.... Even the Pootle translation server for LXDE has been unusable for over a year.  :(

There's only some downstream maintenance at Ubuntu. This downstream Ubuntu support will end in 2019, as Lubuntu 16.04 promises "only" three years of LTS support, not five years: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 18, 2016, 01:37:15 pm
Still not a big deal for us .. there's only really lxsession and lxappearance left (as far as I can remember), both could be easily replaced or forked ;)
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: Pjotr on October 18, 2016, 02:40:54 pm
Still not a big deal for us .. there's only really lxsession and lxappearance left (as far as I can remember), both could be easily replaced or forked ;)
Sounds good... In my opinion, Peppermint fills a  real need in the market. Not only because of its cloud orientation, but also because of it being more lightweight than Xfce. It would be great if Peppermint would stick to GTK, and not switch to Qt like Lubuntu intends to do.  :)
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 18, 2016, 02:50:23 pm
Well that's the plan .. I'm not a fan of Qt :)
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: forumaccount on October 18, 2016, 03:53:33 pm
I was trying Manjaro with LXQT last week, it's pretty snazzy. Runs really fast on old hardware (I simulate this by only giving VMs one core and 1 gb of ram).

I think it runs about as fast, maybe faster than Lubuntu, but that's probably more of a Manjaro > Ubuntu thing than a DE thing. The most notable difference in the DE was that lxqt was more slick and feature-packed than lxde, while remaining fast.

As they say on their myth / FAQ page, QT may be bloated, but that doesn't mean things made in it have to be. ;)
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 18, 2016, 04:17:11 pm
Well that's the plan .. I'm not a fan of Qt :)

Me neither, it's basically KDE lite and I don't like using KDE.  Far too much faffing around involved for my liking :(.  I think our hybrid system neatly fills the gap between LXDE and Xfce.  It's in keeping with what Peppermint's all about.
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 18, 2016, 04:45:09 pm
Qt just doesn't mesh with Peppermints use of Xfce / MATE / Cinnamon / Gnome components .. it would likely require us to have 2 lots of dependencies and 2 lots of config files, and the components (and fonts) would STILL render differently and look odd.
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: Pjotr on October 26, 2016, 08:55:05 am
Good news! It seems I was wrong about LXDE being dead....

I just heard from an LXDE developer, that the LXDE project is still alive and not abandoned. A new version of lxpanel is about to be released.
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: VinDSL on October 26, 2016, 10:16:06 am
LXDE project is still alive and not abandoned.

Evidently ...   ;)

LINK:  https://git.lxde.org/gitweb/?p=lxde/lxpanel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 26, 2016, 10:22:44 am
Yeah I was 'fairly' sure it was continuing in parallel .. nice to have confirmation though :)
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: VinDSL on October 26, 2016, 10:32:20 am
Yup !

Judging by the flurry of current activity, it looks like they're getting prepared for a new release.
Title: Re: Is there a roadmap for implementing LXQt?
Post by: perknh on October 26, 2016, 11:56:13 am
This is good and unexpected news.  Add me to the list of the people here who not big fans of LXQt.  Still, for the classically trained Linuxites in this forum, namely PCNetSpec and emegra, I'm more than game to see Peppermint one day do an updated version of Ubuntu 10.10 -- a Peppermint-style Maverick Meerkat redux.  But as PCNetSpec has already said, there's nothing to be gained by doing so at present.  Ubuntu MATE, with maybe the exception being Mint's MATE, has pretty much  already cornered the MATE market --which is quite an accomplishment, I would say.

As for mrsperknh and me, we're happy with Peppermint 7 just the way it is right now.  But didn't we say the same thing about Peppermint 6 before?   :-\   No matter.  My wife and I are very happy with Peppermint 7.  We started years ago installing Peppermint on our then one and only computer with an unsupported installation of Peppermint 4; and since then, EVERY version of Peppermint has put EVERY installation of Windows we have tried --from Vista to 10-- to shame. :)