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Title: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 04, 2016, 10:22:49 pm
Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly:
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160905#peppermint
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: VinDSL on September 04, 2016, 11:53:45 pm
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Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: AndyInMokum on September 05, 2016, 02:07:47 am
Jesse Smith still doesn't fully get what Peppermint is all about.  The penny hasn't fully dropped.   There's no mention of the hybrid desktop environment and the reasoning behind it.  Hell, the images show that it's not standard LXDE.  While it's good he mentioned the Software Manager and Synaptic.  He completely missed the inclusion of the convenient newbie friendly metapackages.  There's too much emphasis on Peppermint being web app driven.  Rather than it being a lightweight distro, that offers its users additional flexibility and the freedom of choice.  In one paragraph, Jesse is hesitant about web app integration, (although he'll be using them daily, one way or another).  He seems to have a rather backward and timid view of Cloud based technology.  Then in the next paragraph, he's extolling the virtues of the Ice tool.  I think this confusion is because Peppermint is different and doesn't follow the generic paths that other distros do.  Don't get me wrong, reviews like this are good as they're generally favourable.  They're also very blinkered IMHO. 
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 05, 2016, 08:47:15 am
Jesse Smith still doesn't fully get what Peppermint is all about.  The penny hasn't fully dropped.   There's no mention of the hybrid desktop environment and the reasoning behind it.  Hell, the images show that it's not standard LXDE.  While it's good he mentioned the Software Manager and Synaptic.  He completely missed the inclusion of the convenient newbie friendly metapackages.  There's too much emphasis on Peppermint being web app driven.  Rather than it being a lightweight distro, that offers its users additional flexibility and the freedom of choice.  In one paragraph, Jesse is hesitant about web app integration, (although he'll be using them daily, one way or another).  He seems to have a rather backward and timid view of Cloud based technology.  Then in the next paragraph, he's extolling the virtues of the Ice tool.  I think this confusion is because Peppermint is different and doesn't follow the generic paths that other distros do.  Don't get me wrong, reviews like this are good as they're generally favourable.  They're also very blinkered IMHO.
+1 He doesn't get it...
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2016, 09:29:33 am
Nope, he doesn't get it at all.

Also, he said we're running LXDE.  Really?  I didn't know that.  Because, you know, when I look at the bottom of my screen, I don't see LXPanel.  Nor do I seen PCManFM when I open the file manager.  (etc., and so on)  Literally, because we don't use those components.  It's a hybrid desktop.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 05, 2016, 09:50:33 am
Jesse has been a VERY good friend and advocate of Peppermint so I'm not going to slag him off .. but I agree he seems to have been 'off the ball' a little on this one .. weird because he's 'got it' before, even though he didn't 'personally' use cloud stuff he still advocated Peppermint's non-cloud virtues and highly recommended it to others in previous reviews.

In this one I was a little disheartened by the way it only mentions in the last line, kind of as a throw away comment that Peppermint doesn't "have" to be a cloud distro .. sadly a lot of people won't read that far. :(

We do carry baggage from the term "cloud hybrid" that was initially used in Peppermint marketing (something I always thought a mistake) where people got hung up on the word "cloud" .. which is why I'm making a concerted effort to only ever mention "cloud" as an OPTION these days, and trying to concentrate more on "pre-installed app free", "user choice", and "customisability" on the websites .. hopefully it'll override the baggage eventually.

Great comment by Pikolo though .. thanks Pikolo :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 05, 2016, 12:45:58 pm
Counts to 10 and reminds self NOT to read user comments  >:(

Too much misinformation given out just because they don't like it.  Grrrrr
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 05, 2016, 12:56:59 pm
Too much misinformation given out just because they don't like haven't tried it.  Grrrrr

;)

I actually don't mind those that TRY it but don't like it as long as they say why, it's those that slag us off from some kind of (usually incorrect) "notion" that annoy the hell outa me.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2016, 01:25:31 pm
Counts to 10 and reminds self NOT to read user comments  >:(

Wise policy.  Most comments on DWW are people talking out of their @$$ about things they don't understand and/or have absolutely no knowledge of.  Every now and then there is an informed comment, but they are few and far between. (much like YouTube)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: mac on September 05, 2016, 03:53:47 pm
Peppermint: Standing Out From the Cloud.  I'm certain I've read that somewhere.  Ha!
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: AndyInMokum on September 05, 2016, 04:07:15 pm
Hi mac, it's good to see you, hypothetically speaking.  How's it going  ;)?
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: mac on September 05, 2016, 07:45:40 pm
Great!  Thanks for the greeting!  :D
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: scifidude79 on September 05, 2016, 11:03:14 pm
Peppermint: Standing Out From the Cloud.  I'm certain I've read that somewhere.  Ha!

Me too.  Can't quite put my finger on where, though... ;)

Welcome back.  It's good to see you around these parts again.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: VinDSL on September 05, 2016, 11:07:42 pm
Do my eyes deceive me ?   :o

WB, Mac !
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 06, 2016, 07:06:27 am
Yay, the mac is back .. how ya doing my southern cross toting 'rebel' friend ? .. all's well I hope :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: mac on September 06, 2016, 08:18:16 am
Thanks fellows.  Iím usually lurking in the shadows keeping an eye on you boys and occasionally aggravating Marcus (Captín Crunch) the Great.   The OS has really evolved and the forum remains, IMHO, at the top of the heap in the Linux world.  Great job, fellows!  Thanks a ton!

Cheers
mac
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 06, 2016, 01:07:44 pm
That Capt'n Crunch reference will baffle a few mac :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: VinDSL on September 06, 2016, 06:05:46 pm
Like an armadillo -- crunchy on the outside, soft on the inside. LeL !   :D
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: Capivara on September 07, 2016, 04:06:40 am
I also scratched behind my ears when reading the review.

"In my opinion there is not enough distinction made between what is a native desktop application and what is an on-line app."

Well, that is the whole point. I actually point it out as an outstanding feature when showing Peppermint to potential users.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 07, 2016, 04:23:09 am
I think he means that he thinks there should be something like an icon overlay similar to the way symlinks have the little arrow overlay .. at least that's how I took it .. I can think of no way of easily achieving this, the problem is SSB launchers are just normal ".desktop" launchers so if I associate an overlay with .desktop files it would appear on ALL menu items.

I suppose I could easily do it for the preinstalled SSB's .. not an "overlay", but custom icons .. but that wouldn't help with ones the user creates.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: AndyInMokum on September 07, 2016, 06:47:38 am
I think he means that he thinks there should be something like an icon overlay similar to the way symlinks have the little arrow overlay .. at least that's how I took it .. I can think of no way of easily achieving this, the problem is SSB launchers are just normal ".desktop" launchers so if I associate an overlay with .desktop files it would appear on ALL menu items.

I suppose I could easily do it for the preinstalled SSB's .. not an "overlay", but custom icons .. but that wouldn't help with ones the user creates.
There is no need to make a distinction.  They're fine as they are.  There are only a minimum amount of default SSBs present.  Anything after that is made by the user.  I think they'll know which is which, without further indication.  It's as Capivara says.  It's the whole point of the SSBs.  They're supposed to be indistinguishable from locally installed packages.  It's just Jessie Smith not understanding what Peppermint is about.  Unfortunately he has an old fashioned idea of what a Linux distribution is and how it's supposed to function.  Anything that doesn't fit into his generic molds, draws a blank.  The review reflect this too.  He trying to fit a square block into a round hole.  While somehow this is achieved.  It just doesn't look right.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 07, 2016, 12:17:13 pm
You guys are right, that was my 'initial' take too.

[EDIT]

Don't know why but I got a serious case of deja vous then  :-\
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 07, 2016, 12:36:26 pm
You guys are right, that was my 'initial' take too.

[EDIT]

Don't know why but I got a serious case of deja vous then  :-\

Take Two Imodium - it should clear up by morning  :D
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 07, 2016, 01:09:08 pm
I think that was what caused it .. then again maybe I need to start storing the imodium and ecstasy separately ???
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 07, 2016, 01:16:56 pm
I think that was what caused it .. then again maybe I need to start storing the imodium and ecstasy separately ???

Damn I need new glasses - I read that as snorting....  :o
Title: Re: Peppermint 7 reviewed in DistroWatch weekly
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 07, 2016, 01:20:54 pm
LOL .. damn that would gum up your nose :))