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Title: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: Fritz74 on August 01, 2016, 09:23:03 am
Hello everybody,

I installed Peppermint 7 after having used Ubuntu and Debian for about ten years, and so far I am very happy with the system. Here are some little design changes I made after the install:

1. Another background for the Plymouth startup screen. The image is located in /usr/share/plymouth/themes/peppermint-7

2. The Humanity icon-theme. I copied it from my laptop to /usr/share/icons and selected it in "Customize Look and Feel".
3. An active trash can. I added it to the panel after installing an xfce4 package for additional panel-elements.
The best way of getting an active trashcan in the panel seems to be using trashindicator: https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4025.msg42480.html#msg42480 (Thanks to PCNetSpec!)

What I like the most is, that the system is very lightweight and easy webapp-integration with ice.

Kind regards,
Fritz74
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 01, 2016, 10:14:21 am
Great stuff Fritz74, glad to hear you're enjoying Peppermint so much .. welcome to striped candyland :)
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 09:36:26 am
Hello everybody,

I installed Peppermint 7 after having used Ubuntu and Debian for about ten years, and so far I am very happy with the system. Here are some little design changes I made after the install:

1. Another background for the Plymouth startup screen. The image is located in /usr/share/plymouth/themes/peppermint-7

2. The Humanity icon-theme. I copied it from my laptop to /usr/share/icons and selected it in "Customize Look and Feel".
3. An active trash can. I added it to the panel after installing an xfce4 package for additional panel-elements.

What I like the most is, that the system is very lightweight and easy webapp-integration with ice.

Kind regards,
Fritz74

Could you tell me the name of the package that contains the active trash can? I can't find it in the repo and I miss my trash can.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 10:02:38 am
If you want a "Trash" icon on the desktop, go to:-

menu > System Tools > dconf-Editor

in the left-hand pane, navigate to:-

org > nemo > desktop

in the right-hand pane, put a tick in "trash-icon-visible"
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 10:16:41 am
If you want a "Trash" icon on the desktop, go to:-

menu > System Tools > dconf-Editor

in the left-hand pane, navigate to:-

org > nemo > desktop

in the right-hand pane, put a tick in "trash-icon-visible"

No I don't want an icon on the desktop, I want it on my panel.  I've always had it on my panel (in Linux) and having it there reminds me to empty it. I know you think it should be in the file manager but on my computer it should be in the panel.  ;)
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: DOSfan on September 09, 2016, 01:32:53 pm
Without getting into this "holy war" (:-P) of where the trashcan should go...

LNXlady, you should check out "xfce4-places-plugin" in your Software Manager.  I don't know if it will work for you, but it was the only xfce4 package I found that mentioned trash and panel.

If you would like, I can try installing it first and report back.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 01:42:00 pm
Without getting into this "holy war" (:-P) of where the trashcan should go...

LNXlady, you should check out "xfce4-places-plugin" in your Software Manager.  I don't know if it will work for you, but it was the only xfce4 package I found that mentioned trash and panel.

If you would like, I can try installing it first and report back.

That's the only one I saw, too. It sounded like it did more than I wanted but I guess I could give it a try. Was just hoping the OP had found something else. Thanks very much for the offer, but I'll give it a test myself.

ETA: On closer look, this also installs Thunar so I will skip it.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 01:52:10 pm
All it would add is a menu with folder links, similar to what Gnome 2 used to have.  Likely, it will only open the folders in Thunar, that's why it wants to install it.  It wouldn't put the icon on your panel that you're looking for.

Honestly, I'm a bit shocked the plugin you're looking for isn't available in the repositories.  Granted, not too shocked as we're talking about Canonical here, but Ubuntu does have an official XFCE spin.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 02:02:57 pm
All it would add is a menu with folder links, similar to what Gnome 2 used to have.  Likely, it will only open the folders in Thunar, that's why it wants to install it.  It wouldn't put the icon on your panel that you're looking for.

Honestly, I'm a bit shocked the plugin you're looking for isn't available in the repositories.  Granted, not too shocked as we're talking about Canonical here, but Ubuntu does have an official XFCE spin.

I figured it would only work in Thunar. I don't like Thunar. At all. I haven't used XFCE much but but in all the years I've run Linux I don't think I've ever had trouble putting a trash icon on my panel. It's not a weird or rare thing. I'm very surprised that it isn't available in Peppermint.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 03:05:56 pm
You could always add a launcher with the following settings:-

(https://i.imgur.com/6WW1Kw4.png)
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 03:16:37 pm
Heh, I just got done typing out instructions on how to do just that.  It will give you a link to you Trash folder on the panel.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 05:51:00 pm
You could always add a launcher with the following settings:-

(https://i.imgur.com/6WW1Kw4.png)

I guess that works but I won't be able to right-click to empty so I will have to actually SEE all the trash I've let accumulate before I empty it, LOL. Yes, I'm spoiled. Thanks PCNetSpec & scifidude79. 
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: scifidude79 on September 09, 2016, 06:42:19 pm
Yeah, I was thinking of the right-click to empty issue.  Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to get that without the plugin, which I couldn't find when I searched both the repositories and the web earlier.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 07:01:04 pm
[FIXED TO REMOVE UNECCESARY STEPS]

Okay, got it

Download this .deb file:
https://storage.googleapis.com/google-code-archive-downloads/v2/code.google.com/trashindicator/trashindicator_1.00-1_all.deb
and double-click it to install

Once installed, log off/on (or reboot)

WARNING - Be careful, if you click "Empty Trash" on the applet it does NOT ask if you're sure, IT JUST DOES IT without any feedback.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q2yBpZo.png)



Some other "application-indicator" applets that **might** also work but I haven't tested
http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/05/list-of-22-application-indicators-for.html
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 07:26:30 pm
When I tried to install it, it said same version already installed so I checked to see if I could add it but it wasn't in the "Add new Items" list. I logged out and back in to see if it would get added to the list and it STILL isn't in the list but it IS in the panel. I know I haven't added it before and the file was dated June 2016 which is before I even installed Peppermint.  Confusing, but it seems to work. Thanks! Now, if you guys could just come up with a little panel button that I could right-click to do the dishes, I'd be set. ;D
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 07:33:17 pm
When you install something via gdebi, after clicking the "Install" button it gets installed, then the dialog changes to "Already installed" because it NOW is :)
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 07:36:25 pm
When you install something via gdebi, andter clicking the "Install" button it gets installed, then the dialog changes to "Already installed" because it NOW is :)

That makes sense. I didn't have to add it to the panel though (in case anyone else finds this searching for the same thing). Just log out and back in and voila!
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 07:45:37 pm
No you don't have to add the "Trash" applet to the panel (in fact there isn't one) .. it's NOT an xfce4panel applet it's an "application-indicator" .. so as long as you've added the "Indicator Plugin" to the panel it will get displayed because "Indicator Plugin" displays ALL running application-indicator(s)

"application-indicators" are not native to the xfce4-panel, they're designed for the Ubuntu Unity panel .. but the "Indicator-plugin" for the xfce4-panel allows them to be displayed in a container on the xfce4-panel.

Did that make sense ?
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 07:51:50 pm
No you don't have to add the "Trash" applet to the panel (in fact there isn't one) .. it's NOT an xfce4panel applet it's an "application-indicator" .. so as long as you've added the "Indicator Plugin" to the panel it will get displayed because "Indicator Plugin" displays ALL running application-indicator(s)

"application-indicators" are not native to the xfce4-panel, they're designed for the Ubuntu Unity panel .. but the "Indicator-plugin" for the xfce4-panel allows them to be displayed in a container on the xfce4-panel.

Did that make sense ?

I meant I didn't have to add the indicator-plugin to the panel, like you said to do. I just double-clicked the downloaded file to install it and that must have added it.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 08:00:28 pm
No it won't (it can't) .. you must have added "Indicator Plugin" to the panel at some point in the past

[EDIT]

I take it back .. apparently it doesn't even require the "Indicator Plugin" at all  :-\
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 08:04:30 pm
No it won't (it can't) .. you must have added "Indicator Plugin" to the panel at some point in the past

Could be I guess but I don't remember it. And I don't know how I did it since it isn't in the "Add new Items" list. Unless it disappears from the list once added.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 09, 2016, 08:05:37 pm
Nope you're right .. see my edit above  :-[

I guess they've added native support for application-indicators to the xfce4-panel without the need for the plugin any more .. I'll edit the instructions above.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: LNXlady on September 09, 2016, 08:47:49 pm
Nope you're right .. see my edit above  :-[

I guess they've added native support for application-indicators to the xfce4-panel without the need for the plugin any more .. I'll edit the instructions above.

Oh, that explains it!  ;D Of course, it wouldn't have been the first time I did something I didn't remember later.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: Fritz74 on September 19, 2016, 09:13:00 am
Hi everybody,

sorry for the late reply! I just passed by, because I will install Peppermint OS on a used laptop and wanted to look up some paths.

The package that makes it possible to add a trashcan to the panel is named xfce4-goodies.

Kind regards,
Fritz74
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 19, 2016, 09:32:11 am
Thanks Fritz74, but I must add...

It's not necessarily the best idea to install the xfce4-goodies metapackage as it will pull in a TON of dependencies such as the thunar file manager which isn't the default for Peppermint 7, mousepad, tumbler, xfburn, ristretto, etc.

They shouldn't do any damage (and are probably fine if you want them all, despite us using nemo as the default file manager), but it's not necessary if you use trashindicator instead, following the instructions here:
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4025.msg42480.html#msg42480
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: Fritz74 on September 19, 2016, 12:14:15 pm
Hello PCNetSpec,

thanks for being so helpful and polite! ;-)
So, the resource-friendly way would be installing xfce4-indicator-plugin (which is in the repositories) and then trashindicator?
I found the following page that links to a .deb-package with trashindicator: https://www.unixmen.com/trashindicator-trash-indicator-area/


Regards,
Fritz74
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 19, 2016, 04:02:06 pm
The link in my last response has instructions Fritz72 ;) .. along with a link to the 'trashindicator' deb file.

but here it is again anyway:
https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,4025.msg42480.html#msg42480
:)

it doesn't even look like xfce4-indicator-plugin is necessary any more .. the xfce4-panel now NATIVELY supports application-indicators without the need for a plugin :)
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: Fritz74 on September 19, 2016, 04:41:25 pm
I should have read your comment more carefully. ;)
Anyway, now having a trashcan in the panel seems almost unavoidable.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 19, 2016, 03:02:18 pm
I noticed a strange thing with the trash-indicator on the desktop.

On the desktop of my PC, the trash-bin doesn't change when trash is there.
On the desktop of my laptop, it shows the trash.

I have no idea why this is the case.
My daughter always ask: "May I empty the trash ?"  It is fun to see the paper-trash in the bin and see it disappearing.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 19, 2016, 04:47:28 pm
Peppermint doesn't have a "trash-indicator" on the desktop  :-\

More info required.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 20, 2016, 08:49:14 am
Yes, it is the trash-icon on the desktop, not a "trash-indicator".

The trash-icon on my laptop shows waste paper when a file or more files have been moved to the trash.
A right-click on the trash-icon shows an option "Empty trash" . When clicked the trash-icon changes it's appearence and shows an empty waste paper bin.
It is a nice visualization. You see immediately if the trash-bin is empty or not.

The trash-icon on my PC shows only an empty trash-bin, regardless how many files are in the trash.
A right-click on the trash-icon gives the option of "Empty trash" too. As long as there is no trash, the option is greyed out. When trash is present, the option is clickable and I have to confirm the deletion of the files in the trash-folder.

This is not a big problem. I just wonder why the trash-icon on my laptop behaves so nicely, showing an empty trash-bin or trash, but the same Peppermint-7 doesn't show it on my PC .
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: zebedeeboss on November 20, 2016, 10:03:39 am
Hi berliner58,

My Rubbish Bin icon just changes from
(http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/16/1120/h_1479654097_5332230_80601d9a39.png)
to
(http://storage3.static.itmages.com/i/16/1120/h_1479654158_6488106_3647c0a1b9.png)

So there is no Rubbish shown with the Basic Peppermint Dark Theme. What Theme are you uisng ?

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 20, 2016, 10:40:14 am
You still haven't said how the "trash icon" got on the desktop in the first place ? .. did you add it via dconf-editor or in some other way ?

You also haven't mentioned which icon theme you're using ?
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: zebedeeboss on November 20, 2016, 11:18:12 am
Hi

If they didn't use dconf-editor I would be baffled. That's the only way I got mine to show.

It's off again now  :)

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 20, 2016, 11:27:40 am
I used dconfig to show the trash-icon on the desktop.
I use the Redmont theme and for icons the  "fullest & colorful"-theme.

This is the empty-trash-bin icon:
(http://i.imgur.com/PGErS08.png)

This is the full trash-bin-icon
(http://i.imgur.com/fQOA5gF.png)

The icon-theme is "fullest & colorful" from here:
https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1152070/ (https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1152070/)
(http://i.imgur.com/DXmD1xm.png)

Maybe I followed the instructions for the trash-bin manipulation from here:
http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/323-lubuntu-trusty-empty-trash-menu (http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/323-lubuntu-trusty-empty-trash-menu)
but only on my PC.  But I don't remember.
Edit: Just checked.  trash-cli was installed, I just de-installed it with Software-Manager.
Trash-cli is available in Software-Manager on my laptop, but is not installed.

I am sure I didn't do that on the laptop. Just installed Peppermint 7 on the laptop, moved the fullest&colorful-Theme to the folder where the other Peppermint icon themes are located and selected the theme somewhere in the settings-menu where one can select the theme too.

I was surprised that on the laptop the full and empty trash-bin-icon exists but not on the PC and thought: Maybe something is different or I got a newer version of P-7 or something.

Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 21, 2016, 07:25:48 am
I doubt if this is a Peppermint 7 issue .. most likely an icon theme issue (such as a missing inheritance or corrupt theme).

The index.theme file for that icon set suggests it inherits from gnome-colors-common .. so make sure you have that installed:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install gnome-colors-common
if that doesn't fix things....

Maybe you could try:-

1) on the system where the trash doesn't change, switch back to the original Peppermix-7 icons

2) delete the /usr/share/icons/fullest_colorfull directory.

3) copy the /usr/share/icons/fullest_colorfull direcctory from the working system to the broken one.

4) switch back to the "fullest_colorfull" icons



For those that are wondering -- when an icon set "inherits" from another, it means where an icon cannot be found in the theme it "inherits" the one from the other theme named in its theme.index file .. this is used mainly to keep icon sets smaller, or to have SLIGHTLY differing themes without having to duplicate ALL icons (such as numix_circle inherits numix .. therefore numix_circle is a LOT smaller than numix but requires it).

In this case if I had to guess, I'd say "fullest_colorfull" theme has it's own "trash_empty" icon, but inherits the "trash_full" icon from the "gnome-colors-common" theme which isn't installed .. but at this point that's only a guess.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 21, 2016, 03:03:02 pm
Ok.
I installed gnome-colors-common  --->  the nasty empty trash-icon remains , it doesn't change to a full trash-icon when there is trash.

Next:  Switched back to original Peppermint-7 icons  ---->  the only icon which doesn not change is the trash-icon. It is still the empty trash-icon from the fullest&colorful-theme.

Next: Deleted the fullest&colorful theme on the PC and copied the theme from the laptop where the trash-icon behaves as it should  ---->  did not help either.
On the PC desktop the empty-trash-icon from fullest&colorful is still there.

As far as I understand it:  That empty-trash-icon sits there forever and doesn't  go away regardless to what icon-theme I switch.

Something is broken.

Interesting: When I click on Nemo, the small trash-icon in the left navigation bar of Nemo  behaves correctly.  It shows the empty-trash-icon when there is no trash and it changes to a full-trash-icon when there is trash.

Only the big icon on the desktop does not behave, it is hammered there in stone. I cannot delete it and  unchecking it in dconfig-editor and then check it again does always bring that icon on the desktop.

Must I install Peppermint again, hoping that this broken icon problem will be gone forever ?
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 21, 2016, 04:39:19 pm
When you switch back to the Peppermix icons, does the trash icon change to the one from Peppermix ?

and if so, does that one turn red when you have trash, and blue when empty ?
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 21, 2016, 07:21:09 pm
When I switch to the Peppermint icons, all icons change to Peppermint icons except the trash-icon.

When I do that on my laptop, the trash-icon changes to the Peppermint trash-icon and if there is trash, it appears as red icon. It behaves as it should.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 21, 2016, 07:31:17 pm
If you log into the Guest account .. then enable the trash icon via dconf editor .. then change to the fullest_colorful icons .. does the trash work properly ?
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 21, 2016, 07:50:57 pm
In the Guest-account, the trash-icon works as it should with all  icon-themes. I tested Peppermint-icons, fullest&colorful, Adwaita, Faenza blue (they have a strange trash-icon but it shows a full trash too).

Back in my own user-account the trash-icon doesn't work properly.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 22, 2016, 06:15:33 am
Okay you probably have a corrupt:-

~/.config/dconf/user

file.

If you move that file somewhere else, then log off/on again it will be recreated with defaults as soon as you make any change .. but be aware any changes you've currently made need to be reapplied.

You can at any time replace the new version with the old one you moved, then log off/on and you'll be back to where you are now.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 22, 2016, 08:11:40 am
I did as recommended, but nothing changed.
The empty-trash icon stays there and nothing changes it  ( went through the tests switching the icon-themes to Peppermint etc.).

I think I must make a new installation of P-7.
What do you think ?
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 22, 2016, 09:13:44 am
If it works in the Guest account it's definitely something in your home folder .. so maybe add a new account via "Users and Groups", make it an admin account, log into it, copy across any user docs/pics/etc. from your original account .. then when you're happy everything is working, delete the old account.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: berliner58 on November 22, 2016, 02:34:24 pm
Thank you very much, PCNetSpec.

Adding a new user-account did not work for me because I certainly did something wrong.
Tired of that hassle, I just installed P-7 completely new.

Now the trash-icon works as it should.
Title: Re: My first week in Peppermint 7 - Some design changes
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 22, 2016, 02:35:52 pm
Yep, the nuclear option is certainly one way to fix things :))

Glad you're up and running now.