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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: VinDSL on June 24, 2016, 09:26:08 pm

Title: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on June 24, 2016, 09:26:08 pm
Now that we can talk about Peppermint 7, here in the threads ...

I've been playing around with a 'new' machine this week -- new to me, anyway. 

Actually, It's a  3 year-old Dell OptiPlex i5 7010 SFF (http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/optiplex-7010/pd) business desktop refurb.  Hardly a fire breather !

Peppermint 7 beta was already flying, during testing, but after I did a fresh UEFI/Secure Boot install today, it seemed even quicker and faster than before. 

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in UEFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode"
Installed in UEFI mode
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: Boogaloo-4 Kernel: 4.4.0-24-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex 7010 v: 01
           Mobo: Dell model: 0WR7PY v: A01 Bios: Dell v: A13 date: 03/25/2013
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-3470 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 1601 MHz 2: 1626 MHz 3: 1894 MHz 4: 1672 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-24-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eno1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: b8:ca:3a:93:3d:d9
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (2.3% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.8G used: 3.5G (38%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: /home size: 18G used: 73M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda7
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 180 Uptime: 15 min Memory: 668.5/15934.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ 


(http://vindsl.com/images/Windowshot_2016-06-24_17:28:09.png)


To make sure it wasn't wishful thinking, I put it to the test using 'systemd-bootchart'.  Bootchart doesn't lie  ;D

Here's the resultant boot time (7.4 seconds) ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/Selectionshot_2016-06-24_20:48:50.png)


I'll have to say, this is fastest boot time I've ever recorded, on any machine, at any time, on any distro.

And, there's no doubt in my mind that UEFI/Secure Boot is faster than Legacy Mode on this machine.

Anybody else notice a speed difference between these two boot modes ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on June 25, 2016, 04:36:30 am
BTW, no reason to reinvent the wheel, so to speak.

if anyone is interested in experimenting with UEFI/Secure Boot on Peppermint 7 ...

Here's an excellent up-to-date tutorial:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI

While you're reading it, just mentally replace the word 'Ubuntu' with 'Peppermint'   ;)

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 25, 2016, 12:42:30 pm
Can't say I've *noticed* a difference, but then I've never really looked for one .. interesting question though.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 01, 2016, 11:43:17 pm
Got back from a grueling week in Vegas, today -- tired, beat-up, and sick.  I walked so much, I lost 11 pounds.  Either that, or it was those 40% off hookers ...

I spent the last couple of hours reading 4 pages of 'unread posts' -- all good stuff.  I love this community !

One of the posts reminded me of this thread, so I decided to revisit it.   I was right in the middle of experimenting when I had to pinch it off and leave town.

Bottom line:  I knocked another second off my boot time by removing the butter tools and smbd ( 7.3 seconds=>6.3 seconds ).

(http://vindsl.com/images/Selectionshot_2016-07-01_23:15:59.png)


If anyone wants to play around with this hack, here's what I did ...

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ systemctl status smbd
● smbd.service - LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd)
   Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/smbd; bad; vendor preset: enabled)
   Active: active (running) since Fri 2016-07-01 18:30:51 MST; 3h 54min ago
     Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
  Process: 1704 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/smbd start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
   CGroup: /system.slice/smbd.service
           ├─1721 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
           ├─1722 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
           └─1724 /usr/sbin/smbd -D

Jul 01 18:30:51 Boogaloo-4 systemd[1]: Starting LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon
Jul 01 18:30:51 Boogaloo-4 smbd[1704]:  * Starting SMB/CIFS daemon smbd
Jul 01 18:30:51 Boogaloo-4 smbd[1704]:    ...done.
Jul 01 18:30:51 Boogaloo-4 systemd[1]: Started LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon
Jul 01 18:51:36 Boogaloo-4 smbd[2662]: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed f
Jul 01 19:23:41 Boogaloo-4 smbd[3161]: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed f
Jul 01 19:55:41 Boogaloo-4 smbd[3504]: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed f
Jul 01 20:27:41 Boogaloo-4 smbd[4027]: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed f
Jul 01 20:59:41 Boogaloo-4 smbd[4454]: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed f
Jul 01 21:31:41 Boogaloo-4 smbd[5074]: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed f

[1]+  Stopped                 systemctl status smbd
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo netstat -tlnp
[sudo] password for vindsl:
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State       PID/Program name
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:139             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1721/smbd       
tcp        0      0 127.0.1.1:53            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1371/dnsmasq   
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:445             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1721/smbd       
tcp6       0      0 :::139                  :::*                    LISTEN      1721/smbd       
tcp6       0      0 :::445                  :::*                    LISTEN      1721/smbd       
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Samba is a useless drain to me.  No reason to have it listening for output.  Dittos for btrfs-tools @ startup.  So, I purged them both.

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ service smbd stop
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo apt-get remove samba-common --purge
[sudo] password for vindsl:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libaio1 libfile-copy-recursive-perl libuser1 python-dnspython python-libuser
  samba-dsdb-modules samba-vfs-modules tdb-tools update-inetd
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  cifs-utils* samba* samba-common* samba-common-bin* smbclient*
  system-config-samba*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 6 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
After this operation, 19.6 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
(Reading database ... 188236 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing cifs-utils (2:6.4-1ubuntu1) ...
Purging configuration files for cifs-utils (2:6.4-1ubuntu1) ...
Removing system-config-samba (1.2.63-0ubuntu6) ...
Removing samba (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Purging configuration files for samba (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Removing smbclient (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Removing samba-common-bin (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Removing samba-common (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Purging configuration files for samba-common (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu5) ...
Processing triggers for mime-support (3.59ubuntu1) ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-0ubuntu1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu3) ...
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ rm -Rf /etc/samba
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo apt-get autoremove
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libaio1 libfile-copy-recursive-perl libuser1 python-crypto python-dnspython
  python-ldb python-libuser python-samba python-tdb samba-dsdb-modules
  samba-vfs-modules tdb-tools update-inetd
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 13 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
After this operation, 12.9 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
(Reading database ... 186742 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing samba-vfs-modules (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Removing libaio1:amd64 (0.3.110-2) ...
Removing update-inetd (4.43) ...
Removing libfile-copy-recursive-perl (0.38-1) ...
Removing python-libuser (1:0.60~dfsg-1.2) ...
Removing libuser1 (1:0.60~dfsg-1.2) ...
Removing python-samba (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Removing python-crypto (2.6.1-6build1) ...
Removing python-dnspython (1.12.0-1) ...
Removing python-ldb (2:1.1.24-1ubuntu3) ...
Removing python-tdb (1.3.8-2) ...
Removing samba-dsdb-modules (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Removing tdb-tools (1.3.8-2) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu3) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ...
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo apt-get purge samba-libs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gvfs-backends* libsmbclient* python-smbc* samba-libs* vlc-plugin-samba*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 5 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
After this operation, 24.8 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
(Reading database ... 186082 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing gvfs-backends (1.28.2-1ubuntu1~16.04.1) ...
Removing vlc-plugin-samba (2.2.2-5) ...
Purging configuration files for vlc-plugin-samba (2.2.2-5) ...
Removing python-smbc (1.0.15.5-1) ...
Removing libsmbclient:amd64 (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Removing samba-libs:amd64 (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0:amd64 (2.48.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1) ...
Processing triggers for gconf2 (3.2.6-3ubuntu6) ...
Processing triggers for vlc-nox (2.2.2-5) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu3) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ...
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Nice and clean now -- little snappier, too ...

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ systemctl status smbd
● smbd.service
   Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
   Active: inactive (dead)
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo netstat -tlnp
[sudo] password for vindsl:
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State       PID/Program name
tcp        0      0 127.0.1.1:53            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1245/dnsmasq   
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Only problem I ran across, using the above commands, was Nemo wouldn't connect to FTPS and SCP locations afterward.  So, I had to backtrack a little, and reinstall gvfs-backends and the smb client (but not the server).

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[sudo] password for vindsl:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libsmbclient samba-libs
Suggested packages:
  samba-common
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gvfs-backends libsmbclient samba-libs
0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
Need to get 5,526 kB of archives.
After this operation, 24.7 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 samba-libs amd64 2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 [5,172 kB]
Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 libsmbclient amd64 2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 [53.2 kB]
Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 gvfs-backends amd64 1.28.2-1ubuntu1~16.04.1 [301 kB]
Fetched 5,526 kB in 6s (846 kB/s)                                             
Selecting previously unselected package samba-libs:amd64.
(Reading database ... 185834 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../samba-libs_2%3a4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking samba-libs:amd64 (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Selecting previously unselected package libsmbclient:amd64.
Preparing to unpack .../libsmbclient_2%3a4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libsmbclient:amd64 (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Selecting previously unselected package gvfs-backends.
Preparing to unpack .../gvfs-backends_1.28.2-1ubuntu1~16.04.1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking gvfs-backends (1.28.2-1ubuntu1~16.04.1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu3) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ...
Processing triggers for gconf2 (3.2.6-3ubuntu6) ...
Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0:amd64 (2.48.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1) ...
Setting up samba-libs:amd64 (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Setting up libsmbclient:amd64 (2:4.3.9+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.2) ...
Setting up gvfs-backends (1.28.2-1ubuntu1~16.04.1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu3) ...
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Think I'll see if I can get boot times down to 5 seconds now ...   

Isn't Peppermint fun ?  8)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2016, 04:23:32 am
Yeah there's definitely stuff in PM7 that's unnecessary for a lot of users, smbd being a prime example.

I think a lot of the speed improvements from Peppermint 7 is systemd .. there's no doubt it's faster .. I'm still undecided about it though.

Not so sure UEFI adds anything to the equation though .. maybe, maybe it can initialise hardware faster somehow but that to me just doesn't 'sound' right if you get my meaning.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: zebedeeboss on July 02, 2016, 06:41:45 am
taken from the Linux Mint 18 page

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Note also that samba was removed in the stable release as it negatively impacted boot speed. To remove samba, open a terminal and type “apt purge samba”

Confirming your findings +VinDSL

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2016, 12:09:48 pm
I applied the usual SSD 'tricks' last night ...
These tweaks are mostly for SSD longevity, but they also serve to speed up daily operation.

Still only have consistent 6 second boot times, but piece-of-mind knowing I'm not hammering my new SSD.   8)

That said, it's probably a good thing to include smbd common in the distro.  Probably saves a lot of headaches, from a support point-of-view.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 02, 2016, 12:31:26 pm
I applied the usual SSD 'tricks' last night ...
  • Execute TRIM via daily cron
  • Lowed swapiness to '1'
  • Disabled "access time stamps' in fstab
  • Set caching to '0' in Fx
  • Made sure the scheduler was set to '[deadline]'
These tweaks are mostly for SSD longevity, but they also serve to speed up daily operation.

Still only have consistent 6 second boot times, but piece-of-mind knowing I'm not hammering my new SSD.   8)

That said, it's probably a good thing to include smbd common in the distro.  Probably saves a lot of headaches, from a support point-of-view.
That's basically how I've got my SSD set up.  I've the cache that's in /tmp mounted to RAM.  I've your link to SSD tweaks.  I also use this one for some additional stuff: http://www.howtogeek.com/62761/how-to-tweak-your-ssd-in-ubuntu-for-better-performance/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/62761/how-to-tweak-your-ssd-in-ubuntu-for-better-performance/)  It all seems to work really.  My Dell latitude 3610 is a screamer  :o!!
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2016, 01:46:49 pm
I also use this one for some additional stuff: http://www.howtogeek.com/62761/how-to-tweak-your-ssd-in-ubuntu-for-better-performance/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/62761/how-to-tweak-your-ssd-in-ubuntu-for-better-performance/)  It all seems to work really. 

I'm looking at that page, as I type.  Must be an older article ... yep, "Published 05/11/11"

I just started using 'nodiratime' too, but I'll probably remove it.  Evidently, 'nodiratime' is included in the 'noatime' subset (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab#atime_options) (ArchWiki - atime options).

Also, I've never been a fan of 'discard'.  TRIM is a much better option IMO, if your SSD supports it.

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep "TRIM supported"
[sudo] password for vindsl:
   * Data Set Management TRIM supported (limit 8 blocks)
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Judging by the age of the article, a lot of SSDs probably didn't support TRIM, so 'discard' was the only way to go.

'[deadline]' is now specified by default (I guess).  All I did was check the scheduler to make sure.

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
noop [deadline] cfq
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

I'm going to try mounting the system cache in ram instead of /tmp and see what happens - sounds very compelling ...

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# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda5 during installation
UUID=939e3fa8-ebcb-455c-9362-0ba5eefb8309 /              ext4   nodiratime,noatime,errors=remount-ro   0   1
# /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=3647-2F8F  /boot/efi vfat umask=0077                                                              0   1
# /home was on /dev/sda6 during installation
UUID=2bfc9d5d-e6e5-47fa-b3c8-851c1ef2eee2 /home          ext4   nodiratime,noatime,defaults            0   2
# swap was on /dev/sda7 during installation
UUID=fb3d197b-6f63-4d37-8f4f-44f55300c935 none           swap   sw                                     0   0
# mount system cache in ram instead of /tmp
tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777                                                            0   0

And, I'll try the 'exit 0' hack ...

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ cat  /etc/rc.local
#!/bin/sh -e
#
# rc.local
#
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
# Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
# value on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
# bits.
#
# By default this script does nothing.

echo deadline > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/queue/iosched/fifo_batch
exit 0
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Nothing ventured, nothing gained, eh what ?   ;D

I restart now ...

Thx, Andy !
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 02, 2016, 02:07:32 pm
Yeah, I've turned off the weekly scheduled TRIM.  I have TRIM run on my /root and /home partitions each time I boot.  It then writes a log.   It slows booting a little, maybe by one or two seconds. I don't care about that though.  The Dell still boots up PDQ.   I didn't think about nodiratime being a subset of noatime.  I'll remove it from my fstab entries.  I thought 16.04 used the cfq IO Scheduler by default.  Ubuntu 14.04 certainly did.  I'll have to check that.  Yeah, definitely use deadline.  I'm going to try the exit 0 too.  See what happens.  Thank for the tips  ;).
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2016, 02:13:07 pm
what "exit 0" hack ?

Unless I'm misunderstanding you .. you do realise "exit 0" at the end of a script just simply returns a "0" exit status .. it doesn't do anything else.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2016, 05:29:04 pm
what "exit 0" hack ?

Unless I'm misunderstanding you .. you do realise "exit 0" at the end of a script just simply returns a "0" exit status .. it doesn't do anything else.

Hack the do-nothing script -- add a couple of lines of code, so it does do something.

Really, I don't know why you would want to use:

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echo deadline > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
Paranoia maybe ?!?!?  Why would you want to temporarily assign the I/O scheduler (deadline, in this case) to a particular drive when it's already permanent ?

Dittos with:

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echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/queue/iosched/fifo_batch
I don't understand the author's reasoning.  Maybe he was afraid some rouge update/upgrade would change the scheduler back to noop or cfg  :-\

Doesn't actually hurt anything, sooooo ...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 02, 2016, 05:34:56 pm
Yeah, I've turned off the weekly scheduled TRIM.

I just moved the cron from cron.weekly to cron.daily:

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ sudo mv -v /etc/cron.weekly/fstrim /etc/cron.daily/fstrim
Simple pimple !   :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 04, 2016, 08:04:50 pm
Alrighty, then.  YaY Peppermint 7 !

Knocked another 2 seconds off the boot time  (6.3 =>4.3 seconds)


(http://vindsl.com/images/Selectionshot_2016-07-04_19:56:15.png)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 04, 2016, 08:35:51 pm
Why not ditch apparmor ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 05, 2016, 03:53:06 am
Why not ditch apparmor ?

I might do that -- been thinking about it.

BTW, I knocked off 2 seconds by switching to the i965 VAAPI video driver ('i965-va-driver').   ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ? UEFI/Secure Boot vs Legacy Mode
Post by: VinDSL on July 05, 2016, 04:02:30 pm
Why not ditch apparmor ?

Bwahahahahahaha !!!   (4.3 seconds => 2.6 seconds)   :o


(http://vindsl.com/images/Selectionshot_2016-07-05_15:50:41.png)


Well, I guess the experiment was a success.  Peppermint 7 is smokin' !!!  8)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 05, 2016, 04:07:10 pm
BTW, here's my /etc/default/grub file ...

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# If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
# /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
# For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
#   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="elevator=deadline apparmor=0 quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

# Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs
# This works with Linux (no patch required) and with any kernel that obtains
# the memory map information from GRUB (GNU Mach, kernel of FreeBSD ...)
#GRUB_BADRAM="0x01234567,0xfefefefe,0x89abcdef,0xefefefef"

# Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
#GRUB_TERMINAL=console

# The resolution used on graphical terminal
# note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE
# you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'
#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480

# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux
#GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true

# Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries
#GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"

# Uncomment to get a beep at grub start
#GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1"

I didn't remove AppArmor.  I just disabled it on the kernel boot command line.   ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 05, 2016, 04:30:01 pm
Puts a Chromebook to shame eh :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 05, 2016, 04:35:14 pm
Oh, yeah !   :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: scifidude79 on July 05, 2016, 08:19:34 pm
Simple answer to thread title:  Fast enough.  8)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on July 05, 2016, 08:52:56 pm
Under 7 secs - Very Happy Bunny - assuming my 10 ext usb drives slow it down somewhat  :D

(http://storage9.static.itmages.com/i/16/0706/h_1467777011_7779239_b61cb00c5b.png)

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 06, 2016, 03:40:30 am
Simple answer to thread title:  Fast enough.  8)

LoL !   :D
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 06, 2016, 03:42:22 am
Under 7 secs - Very Happy Bunny - assuming my 10 ext usb drives slow it down somewhat  :D

Nice !!!
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 20, 2016, 05:00:04 pm
I'm still playing around with my new toy.

Last night, I flashed the BIOS to the most recent version  ( A13  => A21 ).   :o

Today, I started wondering if the Intel® Turbo Boost feature was working in Peppermint OS -- never bothered checking until now.


First, I opened a terminal and ran the following command ...

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo
cpu MHz : 1699.375
cpu MHz : 1663.000
cpu MHz : 1640.125
cpu MHz : 1602.125
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Then, I opened a second terminal and run a loop command ...

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ while :; do :; done
Then, back to the first terminal ...

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo
cpu MHz : 3540.750
cpu MHz : 3599.750
cpu MHz : 3487.375
cpu MHz : 3574.000
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

Yep !  Turbo Boost is working.  YaY Peppermint 7  !   :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 20, 2016, 05:12:20 pm
Peppermint 7 == "Turbo Boost" :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 20, 2016, 07:28:34 pm
Next up ...

I just bought a cheap, half-height, second-generation  GeForce GT 710 2GB passive video card (http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=02G-P3-2712-KR).

I don't mind integrated GPU's on my laptops/netbook, but I want to run dual monitors on this desktop. Plus, it's supposed to be "10X faster" than the Intel 4000 IGPU.

How can one go wrong for USD $35.98 w/1-day shipping (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-DDR3-64bit-Passive-02G-P3-2712-KR/dp/B01AZ8EO8K) ?   :D
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 20, 2016, 08:11:10 pm
Oh, BTW, I forgot to mention ...

I took a walk down memory lane, when I flashed the BIOS.  I had to build a bootable MS-DOS USB stick to run the executable.  Haven't done that in years.

Here's a handy tute, if anybody else needs to do this:  http://www.howtogeek.com/136987/how-to-create-a-bootable-dos-usb-drive/

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: murraymint on July 20, 2016, 08:41:45 pm
I made a DOS partition on my HD that's in this machine. I can't remember why, I must have been bored one day.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 22, 2016, 05:22:55 pm
Well, the new video card increased my boot time from =< 3 sec to => 5 sec, but that's okay.

There was an immediate difference in how quickly it opens apps like Fx -- and it draws the screens MUCH faster -- no lagginess on anything now.

Since I prefer Nouveau video and firmware drivers, I tried them first.  Worked fine, but I'm worried about increasing GPU temps, since this is a fanless card.

So, I'm running the nVidia drivers now.  Haven't used them in years -- forgot about the 'Digital Vibrance' setting -- really makes this Dell display ... vibrant !   ;D

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: Boogaloo-4 Kernel: 4.4.0-31-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex 7010 v: 01
           Mobo: Dell model: 0WR7PY v: A01 Bios: Dell v: A21 date: 12/21/2015
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-3470 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 1611 MHz 2: 1600 MHz 3: 2839 MHz 4: 1656 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA Device 128b
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GT 710/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 361.42
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 NVIDIA GK208 HDMI/DP Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-31-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eno1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: b8:ca:3a:93:3d:d9
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (4.3% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.8G used: 4.8G (53%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: /home size: 18G used: 3.2G (20%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda7
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 51C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 201 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 600.1/16002.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

All in all, a nice improvement in performance !

Next up ... Multiple  monitors.  I've read that this card will handle 3 displays without missing a beat.   :)

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 22, 2016, 08:50:40 pm
Been playing HD YT videos for the last couple of hours.  Can't really complain about high GPU temps ...  :)

(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2016-07-22_20:44:34.png)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 24, 2016, 05:11:32 pm
Bye, bye, nVidia drivers !  Gawd, I forgot how much I hate them   :P

First of all, my beloved Nouveau drivers run 5-6C cooler than the nVidia drivers on this fanless GT 710 card -- used to be the other way around.

Secondly, I spent 12 hours yesterday rewriting my Conky script, to make it compliant with Conky 10 -- only to discover that Lua wasn't displaying correctly. 

Turned out to be ... yes ... the nVidia drivers.  I went back to Nouveau drivers today and the LUA scripts displayed correctly.

nVidia dev ...

(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2016-07-24_17:05:05.png)

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 24, 2016, 11:31:36 pm
The Plymouth startup screen went away after I installed those damn nVidia drivers.  The bastards replaced the Peppermint splash screen with their own branded screen.  Purging the nVidia drivers didn't restore the original splash screen.  ::)

Here's the fix ...

Open your terminal and type

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sudo apt-get install v86d
Then

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sudo -H pluma /etc/default/grub
Find this line

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#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
and change for this one (of course choose your resolution)

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GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep

Save file and type in terminal

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echo FRAMEBUFFER=y | sudo tee /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash
sudo update-initramfs -u
sudo update-grub

SOURCE:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/362722/how-to-fix-plymouth-splash-screen-in-all-ubuntu-releases
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on July 24, 2016, 11:53:29 pm
Hi VinDSL

That never happened to me when I installed the Nvidia drivers ?

Did you install them yourself or let the Additional Drivers Module do it ?

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 24, 2016, 11:58:24 pm
Did you install them yourself or let the Additional Drivers Module do it ?

Curiosity got the best of me ... and slothfulness. 

I decided to try the 'additional driver' crutch. 

I think it's the first time it worked for me, or not  ;D

EDIT

But wait,  are you saying the nVidia advertisement/logo/splash screen doesn't come up when you're booting ?!?!?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on July 25, 2016, 12:05:54 am
Hi
I can only think that Diff drivers work in diff ways, as I do remember my older 640GT card ending up with the NVIDIA splash
Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 25, 2016, 12:13:34 am
Interesting !

Splash screen aside, I use a couple of LUA scripts in my Conky script.  One is a background shader, and the other makes multi-color segmented bar graphs.

The shader wouldn't work at all.  No big deal, I don't use it that much any more.  But, the bar chart segs were solid red.  No low/medium/high warning colors.

I would blame it on the GPU, but Nouveau drivers handle the LUA code just fine.

There's been a lot of complaints about shite nVidia drivers over in Ubu testing ...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on July 25, 2016, 12:19:41 am
It just goes to prove there is still little interest by the graphics card makers to deploy solid good drivers for Linux

It is down to the community to make them.   I wonder if there are any community Linux drivers for Nvidia - remixes - tweaks  like you can get over on various Windows Forums. or are they just tweaking the generic Nvidia settings to suit their individual needs.  Nvidia is closed source, I believe, so how could they alter anything ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 25, 2016, 12:24:39 am
It was a collaboration ...

LINK:  http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/nvidia-and-nouveau-ubuntu-14-04/1060

EDIT

Canonical has killed the disco site, above.   :o
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on July 25, 2016, 12:37:34 am
HaHaHaHa

Off Topic - I simply love the way people ask about your Conky...   find the relevant thread and then go  "Nah..  you're OK thanks"

Which is exactly what I did the first time I thought yeah  that would look cool....

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 25, 2016, 09:59:21 am
BTW, for those contemplating, or already running, Nouveau drivers, the trick is to get it off the 'pipe' !   ;)

Run the following from CLI

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inxi -FxzIf you see 'llvmpipe' in your results, it's a performance killer !

Quote
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe

'llvmpipe' chews up a lot of resources, and will considerably slow down your display refresh rates and so forth.  It's a crutch, so to speak.

Installing 'nouveau-firmware' (and doing a reboot) usually takes care of it.

When you get it working optimally, the rendering string should read:

Quote
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NV106


To install 'nouveau-firmware'

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sudo apt-get install nouveau-firmwareReboot
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 27, 2016, 04:41:34 pm
The shader wouldn't work at all.  No big deal, I don't use it that much any more.

After saying that, I couldn't remember WHY I quit using the background shader.  Soooo, I played around with the LUA script today.

Still works (Nouveau drivers/firmware)...   8)


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2016-07-27_16:32:10.png)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 27, 2016, 06:30:03 pm
Very nice frosted glass effect :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 28, 2016, 01:42:01 pm
I should have checked this before now, but ...

I've experienced a few hard locks since installing the nVidia GT 710 card. 

After switching from nVidia proprietary drives to Nouveau drivers & firmware, I wasn't convinced 3D accel was working. 

Since I did the above, I notice the mysterious line of blue dashes that momentarily appear before Plymouth have magically disappeared.

Anyway, so far so good (fingers crossed).

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
direct rendering: Yes
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.369 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.023 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.024 FPS
^C
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ glmark2
=======================================================
    glmark2 2014.03+git20150611.fa71af2d
=======================================================
    OpenGL Information
    GL_VENDOR:     nouveau
    GL_RENDERER:   Gallium 0.4 on NV106
    GL_VERSION:    3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
=======================================================
[build] use-vbo=false: FPS: 508 FrameTime: 1.969 ms
[build] use-vbo=true: FPS: 635 FrameTime: 1.575 ms
[texture] texture-filter=nearest: FPS: 536 FrameTime: 1.866 ms
[texture] texture-filter=linear: FPS: 534 FrameTime: 1.873 ms
[texture] texture-filter=mipmap: FPS: 559 FrameTime: 1.789 ms
[shading] shading=gouraud: FPS: 528 FrameTime: 1.894 ms
[shading] shading=blinn-phong-inf: FPS: 527 FrameTime: 1.898 ms
[shading] shading=phong: FPS: 525 FrameTime: 1.905 ms
[shading] shading=cel: FPS: 525 FrameTime: 1.905 ms
[bump] bump-render=high-poly: FPS: 419 FrameTime: 2.387 ms
[bump] bump-render=normals: FPS: 619 FrameTime: 1.616 ms
[bump] bump-render=height: FPS: 567 FrameTime: 1.764 ms
[effect2d] kernel=0,1,0;1,-4,1;0,1,0;: FPS: 351 FrameTime: 2.849 ms
[effect2d] kernel=1,1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1,1;: FPS: 194 FrameTime: 5.155 ms
[pulsar] light=false:quads=5:texture=false: FPS: 492 FrameTime: 2.033 ms
[desktop] blur-radius=5:effect=blur:passes=1:separable=true:windows=4: FPS: 172 FrameTime: 5.814 ms
[desktop] effect=shadow:windows=4: FPS: 255 FrameTime: 3.922 ms
[buffer] columns=200:interleave=false:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=map: FPS: 447 FrameTime: 2.237 ms
[buffer] columns=200:interleave=false:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=subdata: FPS: 482 FrameTime: 2.075 ms
[buffer] columns=200:interleave=true:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=map: FPS: 445 FrameTime: 2.247 ms
[ideas] speed=duration: FPS: 544 FrameTime: 1.838 ms
[jellyfish] <default>: FPS: 345 FrameTime: 2.899 ms
[terrain] <default>: FPS: 45 FrameTime: 22.222 ms
[shadow] <default>: FPS: 484 FrameTime: 2.066 ms
[refract] <default>: FPS: 102 FrameTime: 9.804 ms
[conditionals] fragment-steps=0:vertex-steps=0: FPS: 552 FrameTime: 1.812 ms
[conditionals] fragment-steps=5:vertex-steps=0: FPS: 552 FrameTime: 1.812 ms
[conditionals] fragment-steps=0:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 552 FrameTime: 1.812 ms
[function] fragment-complexity=low:fragment-steps=5: FPS: 552 FrameTime: 1.812 ms
[function] fragment-complexity=medium:fragment-steps=5: FPS: 552 FrameTime: 1.812 ms
[loop] fragment-loop=false:fragment-steps=5:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 552 FrameTime: 1.812 ms
[loop] fragment-steps=5:fragment-uniform=false:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 555 FrameTime: 1.802 ms
[loop] fragment-steps=5:fragment-uniform=true:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 552 FrameTime: 1.812 ms
=======================================================
                                  glmark2 Score: 462
=======================================================
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $
That'll do, on this low-end video card.  I wasn't expecting blazing acceleration.   ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Royaleagle on July 31, 2016, 08:28:17 am
Now that we can talk about Peppermint 7, here in the threads ...

I've been playing around with a 'new' machine this week -- new to me, anyway. 

Actually, It's a  3 year-old Dell OptiPlex i5 7010 SFF (http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/optiplex-7010/pd) business desktop refurb.  Hardly a fire breather !

Peppermint 7 beta was already flying, during testing, but after I did a fresh UEFI/Secure Boot install today, it seemed even quicker and faster than before. 

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vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in UEFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode"
Installed in UEFI mode
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: Boogaloo-4 Kernel: 4.4.0-24-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex 7010 v: 01
           Mobo: Dell model: 0WR7PY v: A01 Bios: Dell v: A13 date: 03/25/2013
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-3470 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 1601 MHz 2: 1626 MHz 3: 1894 MHz 4: 1672 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-24-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eno1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: b8:ca:3a:93:3d:d9
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (2.3% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.8G used: 3.5G (38%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: /home size: 18G used: 73M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda7
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 180 Uptime: 15 min Memory: 668.5/15934.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
vindsl@Boogaloo-4 ~ $ 


(http://vindsl.com/images/Windowshot_2016-06-24_17:28:09.png)


To make sure it wasn't wishful thinking, I put it to the test using 'systemd-bootchart'.  Bootchart doesn't lie  ;D

Here's the resultant boot time (7.4 seconds) ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/Selectionshot_2016-06-24_20:48:50.png)


I'll have to say, this is fastest boot time I've ever recorded, on any machine, at any time, on any distro.

And, there's no doubt in my mind that UEFI/Secure Boot is faster than Legacy Mode on this machine.

Anybody else notice a speed difference between these two boot modes ?

Hi, can you tell me how to use bootchart because in /var/log/bootchart I can't see anything...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 31, 2016, 12:38:38 pm
Hi, can you tell me how to use bootchart because in /var/log/bootchart I can't see anything...

The 'systemd-bootchart' version of Bootchart writes the .svg file to the '/run/log' folder.

Weird spot, I know.  It's so weird, I had to bookmark the location in the Nemo file manager, so I could find it ...  ;)


(http://vindsl.com/images/Windowshot_2016-07-31_12:32:21.png)

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Royaleagle on July 31, 2016, 02:29:44 pm
So I just do a 'sudo apt install bootchart' , reboot and I will find the info there ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 31, 2016, 04:32:18 pm
NO, there's no need to install bootchart under systemd .. it  already contains systemd-bootchart

Just open a terminal and run:
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sudo pluma /etc/default/gruband change the line
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GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"to
Code: [Select]
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart"SAVE the file and exit pluma.

Back in the terminal run:
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sudo update-grubNow REBOOT

You'll then find the generated bootchart in the:-

/run/log

directory



To remove

open a terminal and run:
Code: [Select]
sudo pluma /etc/default/gruband change the line
Code: [Select]
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart"to
Code: [Select]
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"SAVE the file and exit pluma.

Back in the terminal run:
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sudo update-grub


HINT

The best method for reading the generated bootchart SVG is to right-click the SVG and select

Open With > Firefox

or any other web browser .. they are MUCH faster than the default image viewer for large SVG's
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Royaleagle on August 01, 2016, 09:42:03 am
That is awesome ! I was completly going the wrong way :D
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on August 01, 2016, 06:52:34 pm
Heh !  Yeah, it's so simple, it's hard ...   ;D
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on August 05, 2016, 11:34:23 am
w00t !

Now that I finally have the video drivers sorted , boots are consistently back in the <= 3 seconds range  ;D


(http://vindsl.com/images/Screenshot_2016-08-05_11:22:33.png)

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 05, 2016, 01:29:38 pm
That's stupid fast .. blink and you're in .. "Intel, faster than children at unwrapping a Peppermint" :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on August 05, 2016, 01:38:26 pm
The bad part is, I only see the beautiful Plymouth splash screen (and nVidia branded logo) for microseconds.

If you blink, you miss them both ...   ::)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on September 09, 2016, 05:56:11 pm
Tweaked the cache settings in 'chromium-browser' (SSD optimization) ...   ;)

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sudo pluma /etc/chromium-browser/default
Code: [Select]
# Default settings for chromium-browser. This file is sourced by /bin/sh from
# /usr/bin/chromium-browser

# Options to pass to chromium-browser
CHROMIUM_FLAGS="--disk-cache-size=1 --media-cache-size=1"

SAVE

URL:  chrome://version/

Quote
Chromium   53.0.2785.89 (Developer Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Peppermint 7 (64-bit)
Revision   49dccdea6645f6759fc6e779e12e81930ede2d4a
OS   Linux
Blink   537.36 (@49dccdea6645f6759fc6e779e12e81930ede2d4a)
JavaScript   V8 5.3.332.37
Flash   (Disabled)
User Agent   Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu Chromium/53.0.2785.89 Chrome/53.0.2785.89 Safari/537.36
Command Line   /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser --disk-cache-size=1 --media-cache-size=1 --enable-pinch --window-depth=24 --x11-visual-id=33 --wm-user-time-ms=7650928 --flag-switches-begin --disable-smooth-scrolling --flag-switches-end
Executable Path   /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser
Profile Path   /home/vindsl/.config/chromium/Default
Variations   <SNIP>
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 02:53:51 am
Yeah I turn off web caching in Firefox for my SSD .. with fast broadband I'm not convinced of its benefits anyway these days and sometimes it can be a complete PITA displaying web pages incorrectly.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on September 10, 2016, 04:28:01 am
Yeah I turn off web caching in Firefox for my SSD .. with fast broadband I'm not convinced of its benefits anyway these days and sometimes it can be a complete PITA displaying web pages incorrectly.

Agreed !

With Fx, it's a snap to permanently turn off web caching.  With Chrome/Chromium, not so easy.

Took me a while to remember where to tweak the code, hence the 'note-to-self' (above).    :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on September 10, 2016, 06:02:34 am
Just one of the many reasons I prefer FF :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on September 21, 2016, 05:06:13 pm
Finally ordered another Dell display from Arrow (http://arrowdirect.com/search?q#/?_=1&filter.category_hierarchy=Monitors&page=1&sort.quantity=desc&filter.manufacturer=DELL), and a triple monitor stand from Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FQXTFVG?ref_=smi_se_mit_rcol_smi_2537928482).

Here's a screenie of the displays in Peppermint 7 ( 24" LG on top, 2 x 19" Dells on the bottom) ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_2016-09-21_16:19:33.png)


Only problem is, loading 3 monitors adds 2 seconds to my boot time (4.2 sec now) ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_2016-09-21_16:42:39.png)


I'll keep playing around with the shell script, and/or find a better way to pin their positions at boot.   :-\


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[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Name=LXRandR autostart
Comment=Start xrandr with settings done in LXRandR
Exec=sh -c 'xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1366x768 --pos 610x0 --rate 59.79 --output DVI-D-0 --mode 1280x1024 --pos 0x768 --rate 60.02 --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024 --pos 1280x768 --rate 60.02'
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on September 22, 2016, 04:52:10 am
I just use Nvidia-Settings to sort my displays out - thankfully
(Finaly got them to fit on the Desk)

Mine is booting within 8 secs from Grub - a few more bits to load I guess - see middle monitor screenhot for bootchart times

Left 1920x1080 - Middle 3440x1440 - Right 1920x1080

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Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on September 22, 2016, 04:46:44 pm
Nice !

I tried using nVidia-settings many, many times, over a two-day period, but my particular 'over/under/side-by-side' monitor config wouldn't survive a reboot.  Whenever I restarted, logged-out/in, rebooted, or whatever, nVidia-settings would revert to a horizontal config (like you're running).  Dittos for ARandR ...

LXRandR was initially of no use, but I eventually ran across the 'xrandr' utility, read the man, and made a custom shell script.  Bingo !  Hasn't failed since.

BTW, I did end up using nVidia-settings to ascertain the absolute monitor position coordinates that I needed to make the shell script, so it was helpful.

Heh !  I feel like adding a forth monitor now, but I have a hunch that's going to be problematic on my low-end video card.   ;D
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on October 09, 2016, 07:30:11 pm
Okay VinDSL, I've moved thru all of what applies to my laptop's AMD A4 cpu and can not crack 20 second boot/reboot...  :(

for some reason, despite purging btrfs-tools I still get a "scanning for BTRFS" as the laptop reboots...  way better than my 55 to 150 second boot reboots on the old hard drive for sure,  ;) but... ... ...   :-\
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on October 09, 2016, 08:08:29 pm
Good job, Spence !  That's one heck of an improvement IMO !

Maybe that's as quickly as it will boot.  Or, maybe you can whittle it down some more.  Time will tell, no pun intended.   ;)

BTW, I had to do 4 fresh installs, before I got this Dell crackin'.  Just saying ...

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 10, 2016, 04:25:30 am
for some reason, despite purging btrfs-tools I still get a "scanning for BTRFS" as the laptop reboots

Try running:
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sudo apt-get remove --purge btrfs-toolsthen (even if the above command says it's not installed):
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sudo update-initramfs -u
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Elemec on October 10, 2016, 06:14:45 pm
From my experience Peppermint is fast, the only things i've seen boot faster were:
Wattos, although it looks a lot like default lxde, and has somehow less software installed than peppermint, Lubuntu although the exprience is very meh, pretty much all of the "Run on ram" distros.
Pretty much everything else is on par or slower than Peppermintos as far as i remember
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on October 19, 2016, 10:46:27 pm
Hi 
My best start up time to date :)   Very Satisfying.  Thanks to the input of everyone in this thread.  On a clean install it's usually around 10-12 secs, still ridiculously quick but sub 7 is nice  :D

(http://storage9.static.itmages.com/i/16/1020/h_1476942044_8491582_9dbe9d8374.png)

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Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on October 20, 2016, 03:34:24 am
Excellect !

Good job ...   :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 20, 2016, 04:30:32 am
Aint SSD's wonderful things :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: acer on October 22, 2016, 03:54:13 am
 @VinDSL,
Have followed this thread and other ubuntu/lubuntu threads regarding improving boot speed/system reaction,this thread is brilliant!
I've managed to get down to 6-7 second boot-up time from cold boot (thereabouts)
Didn't bother with the bootchart though..un-necessary SSD writes and yes, I'm still cautious about SSD writes from years back OCD  ::)
Below is my systemd-analyze critical-chain results:

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$ systemd-analyze critical-chain
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @7.067s
└─multi-user.target @7.067s
  └─postfix.service @6.835s +231ms
    └─network-online.target @6.824s
      └─NetworkManager-wait-online.service @1.327s +5.496s
        └─NetworkManager.service @974ms +337ms
          └─dbus.service @914ms
            └─basic.target @905ms
              └─sockets.target @905ms
                └─acpid.socket @905ms
                  └─sysinit.target @903ms
                    └─systemd-update-utmp.service @847ms +16ms
                      └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @817ms +14ms
                        └─local-fs.target @799ms
                          └─boot-efi.mount @751ms +47ms
                            └─systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-37A9\x2d8AEF.serv
                              └─dev-disk-by\x2duuid-37A9\x2d8AEF.device @640ms

Everything works as intended (as per my needs)
This has to be one of the quickest distros I've encountered given some surgery  :o
Next up is to disable IPv6 from system start, as I don't use this.
Thanks for the Info  8)

[Edit] VinDSL have you tried to remove nvidia bootsplash?
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sudo nvidia-xconfig --no-logoThis has worked on two of my devices  ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on October 30, 2016, 05:08:09 pm
Alrighty, then. ... Jokes on me !

I bricked my Dell 7010 machine, the other nght.  My bad !  I installed openSUSE Tumbleweed and saved the bootloader to MBR.

Hello ?!?!?!?    ::)

While I'm figuring out how to best convert the bootloader(s) back to UEFI, I decided to do a fresh Peppermint 7 install on my 32-bit Ubu test machine.  It's a former top-end gamer, circa 2005.  LoL !

I've been baking the Peppermint 7 install for the past 3 days.  It's coming along nicely, and I decided to take a break and see 'How Fast is Peppermint 7 ?' on this ancient iron.

Not too shabby !  It consistently boots in the 5-sec range with a 1 TB spinner, 2 GB RAM, and minor tweaking.

YaY  Peppermint 7 !!!


Code: [Select]
╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-6 ~ 
╰─➤  inxi -Fz
System:    Host: Boogaloo-6 Kernel: 4.4.0-45-generic i686 (32 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   Mobo: N/A model: Canterwood Bios: Phoenix v: 6.00 PG date: 04/09/2004
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium 4 (-HT-) cache: 2048 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3407 MHz 1: 3407 MHz 2: 3407 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G73 [GeForce 7600 GT]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NV4B GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio:     Card Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller driver: snd_intel8x0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-45-generic
Network:   Card: Lite-On LNE100TX driver: tulip
           IF: enp2s12 state: unknown speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1015.8GB (5.8% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_HD103SJ size: 1000.2GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Cruzer_U size: 15.6GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.8G used: 3.8G (41%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda11
           ID-2: /home size: 99G used: 50G (54%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda12
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda13
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 55.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 53.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 187 Uptime: 24 min Memory: 591.3/2014.0MB Client: Shell (zsh) inxi: 2.2.35
╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-6 ~ 
╰─➤

(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_2016-10-30_16:32:08.png)


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_2016-10-30_16:07:46.png)


https://youtu.be/rjQtzV9IZ0Q
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 30, 2016, 05:45:59 pm
5 seconds from a hard drive ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on October 30, 2016, 06:08:06 pm
5 seconds from a hard drive ?

ikr ?

I saved several bootcharts.  They're all in the 5 sec range.

EDIT

It's an older drive - sat in my closet for years, for use as an emergency backup.

Evidently, it's not a sloucher ...

Quote
The F3's results in our file transfer tests didn't disappoint. It was very fast at copying large files, writing them at 113.6MB/s and reading them at 103.6MB/s – these are the among the fastest speeds you can get from a mechanical hard disk. It was also very quick at writing small files, with a very quick 87.6MB/s transfer speed. Its only weakness was reading small files, where it managed just 43.1MB/s – a very sluggish score that we'd only expect to see from a 5,400pm disk.

Despite this disappointing score at reading small files, the F3 still excelled in our Crysis level loading tests. It loaded the large game level in just 33 seconds, which isn't far off the speed achieved by many SSDs.

SOURCE:  http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/storage/internal-hard-drives/49888/samsung-spinpoint-f3-1tb-review

I guess that's why I chose it.  Been so long, I can't remember ...   ;D

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 31, 2016, 12:44:29 pm
I'm impressed :o
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on October 31, 2016, 01:44:58 pm
I'm impressed :o

Yup, Peppermint 7 is awesome !  But, wait ... you mean the drive ?  Yeah, that, too !   :)

I always keep a few hardware items in reserve -- things you need today, not tomorrow, or a week or two from now --  button cell batteries, mobos, drives, power supplies, keyboards and so forth.  I don't like to wait until I'm in a pickle, stop everything, run down to the store, and get bent over the counter, you know ?

I doubt if I'll ever buy another spinner, but knowing myself, I probably spent some time researching drives before I bought this Samsung SpinPoint F3.  That's the benefit of thinking ahead -- decide what you want and wait for a 'Black Friday'  event, or whatevs.  Basically, I put them in my 'vault' and forget about them until they're needed.

BTW, guess what else I found in the closet; a SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W PS.  Those things used to be over USD $200.  I'm been running a Corsair HX520 since (like) 2008, which was based on the Seasonic M12 platform.  So I figured, I might as well get the real thing to replace it, but the damn Corsair won't die.

I suppose I should unbox it, and make sure the caps are still working.   ;D

EDIT

Checked Newegg, and I bought the Seasonic on 10-Nov-2012.  Must have been a 'Black Friday' remnant.  I got it for USD $99.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Admiral_Smith on November 01, 2016, 10:58:27 am
I say it is fast enough if it was installed on a solid state drive.  You may have to recompile a few things to make get a speed boost because it is a generic kernel, but overall it is fast enough.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 03, 2016, 08:12:50 am
Hi everyone,

Nice thread here. What I would like to know is: why is nemo even listed in the Bootchart outputs? I am not using nemo to manage my desktop or show my wallpaper but it is still listed and consumes at least 670 ms. Where/how can I stop this from running? When I look at the graphs under Top CPU consumers: I find nemo in one entry (under lxsession) taking 710 ms and a little below that it is again listed as taking 82 ms.  :-\

In addition, any suggestions about how one might reduce the time consumed by Xorg?

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 03, 2016, 08:24:09 am
Log off/on, then (without doing anything else first) immediately open a terminal and run:
Code: [Select]
ps aux | grep [n]emoand post any output.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 03, 2016, 08:31:10 am
Hi PCNetSpec,

There is no output. That is what is making me wonder why nemo is listed several times in the Bootchart output.  :-\

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 03, 2016, 09:15:13 am
How are you folks even running bootchart in Peppermint 7 ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on November 03, 2016, 09:35:28 am
it's added to grub as per instructions from VinDSL on page 2
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GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="elevator=deadline apparmor=0 quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart"Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 03, 2016, 09:40:56 am
I added

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init=/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart
as a kernel parameter to my grub.cfg file in /boot/grub.

Regards,

-- Slim

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 03, 2016, 12:54:46 pm
Okay, I have no idea .. could it be simply the accelerators at
/etc/skel/.gnome2/accels/nemo
and
/home/<username>/.gnome2/accels/nemo
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 05, 2016, 07:33:56 am
Okay, I have no idea .. could it be simply the accelerators at
/etc/skel/.gnome2/accels/nemo
and
/home/<username>/.gnome2/accels/nemo

Hi PCNetSpec et al.,

This might very well be the case. In another installation of Peppermint Seven where I have replaced the default desktop with Fluxbox the lxsession is not mentioned anywhere in the bootchart -- and nemo is also not listed.

In general I find the results in the bootchart output for the entries
Code: [Select]
Log start time:
and
Code: [Select]
Idle time:
to be be rather mysterious. :-\

My results do not make any sense (esecially when compared to those posted by VinDSL) in that the value for Idle time: (which VinDSL seems to interpret as the his "boot time") is definitely not my machine's boot time. In fact, its value is dependent on the parameter in the file
Code: [Select]
/etc/systemd/bootchart.conf
named Relative. When I set Relative=no then the Idle time is always the same as the Log start time value (ranging from 4.595s to 4.769s over three boots; but that is definitely not my machine's boot time, which actually is more like 20-25s).

Now for the best part: when I set Relative=yes then the Idle time (according to VinDSL, the boot time) changes to 0.000s !! Now that's what I call a fast boot -- and that's from a traditional HDD  :P (but what else should I expect: after all I am booting into Peppermint Seven)!

When I try to use my wrist watch to monitor my boot times they are consistently around 20-25 seconds (my start time is when I hit the Enter key at the GRUB menu and my end time is when the Lightdm login screen appears).

My conclusion is that (at least for me) bootchart is pretty much bootcr#p. But maybe VinDSL can set me straight about how to correctly configure, use and interpret bootchart -- at least I hope he can because it could be a very nice tool to have available.  ;)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 05, 2016, 07:49:04 am
In Peppermint 7
Code: [Select]
systemd-analyze timewill give you more/better info.

and
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systemd-analyze plot > ~/Desktop/systemd-analyze-plot.svgwill give you a graphical representation of your previous bootup (in a file called systemd-analyze-plot.svg on your desktop).

I haven't got a clue what bootchart is supposed to be showing, but it sure doesn't seem to reflect "time to desktop" ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on November 05, 2016, 08:08:43 am
Hi All
well it does on mine
If I use a stop watch I get between 7 and 8 seconds -  from enter on grub to screen appearing.
my bootcharts tell me  6-7 secs.
OK I'm getting old and slow
So it seems accurate for me. 
Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 05, 2016, 11:14:47 am
Bootchart has been the 'gold standard' for measuring analysis and visualization of the boot process, for as long as I can remember. 

Why ?  Because everyone has a different concept of what 'boot' means.

In the old days, ppl would use a stopwatch, but everyone would start and stop the watch at different times, and get different results, which caused endless flame wars.

Bootchart took care of all of that.  It's been so successful and effective at quelching agruments that Bootchart's boot logger (/sbin/bootchartd) is now run by the kernel instead of /sbin/init.

To me, Bootchart's greatest feature is, it removes human intervention.  Liars lie, and cheaters cheat.  We all know this.  Most forums require that you post the entire log file, as proof, not just a cropped screenie, but we're a pretty tight-knit bunch here.

If someone comes up with a better way of doing it, I'm sure they'll replace Bootchart, but don't hold your breath.

If you do hold your breath, use a stopwatch, and we can argue about that ...  LoL !    :D
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 05, 2016, 03:25:20 pm
Yeah but the problem is how to interpret it.

I gather (by default) bootchart just starts a 20 second logging session .. then shows then along with overall system load just shows which processes started and how long they put the system under load.
Code: [Select]
man systemd-bootchartThat is not an indication of how long a system took to become useable from GRUB.

If I'm misunderstanding this (and I may well be), where does bootchart actually show how long the system takes to get to a certain point ?

in fact if bootchart defaults to a 20 second log, and your system takes longer than that to boot surely it's not even going to show all processes in the boot.



systemd-analyze time
or
systemd-analyze plot
on the other hand seems to show the FULL time taken to load firmware / loaders / kernel / userspace processes :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 06, 2016, 12:48:58 am
Hi PCNetSpec and other interested parties,

I agree with your anaysis of the situation 100% -- I was just not able to formulate it so precisely.  :P

Indeed, on the machine I am now using bootchart reports an Idle time: 4.724s which (as a measure of the boot time) is absolutely ridiculous no matter when I start timing the boot process with a watch. The only thing that actually takes about that amount of time is the progression from the lightdm login screen to the ready to use desktop.

On the other hand, using

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systemd-analyze timeproduces a very realistic result:

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xxx@yyy-z ~ $ systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 4.901s (kernel) + 16.153s (userspace) = 21.055s

where it must be noted that the reported kernel startup time is very close to the Idle time: reported by bootchart. So my conclusion now is that these two values are for the same process (namely: kernel startup time, or the time until the kernel startup has finished) but for some reason the bootchart programmers decided to use an uniformative name for what is being reported.

In any case, the real consumers of time when booting and waiting to get to a usable desktop are clearly the userspace processes that are displayed in both bootchart and in systemd-analyze plot -- although only the latter actually reports the total time for the userspace processes and the total time for both startup of the kernel and the userspace processes.
And this grand total is what the average computer user is interested in and aware of.  ;)

The definition of boot time is crucial here, and I think that the one given in the PC Magazine Encyclopedia (http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/56326/boot-time) is one that matches what the average computer user also intuitively uses:

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The time it takes for a device to be ready to operate after the power has been turned on.

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on November 06, 2016, 02:17:37 am
Hi

This thread gets better and Better...

Going by systemd
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zebedee@i7-peppermint ~ $ sudo systemd-analyze time
[sudo] password for zebedee:
Startup finished in 42.843s (firmware) + 4.130s (loader) + 2.525s (kernel) + 9.305s (userspace) = 58.805s
zebedee@i7-peppermint ~ $
which is more in line with the actual time it takes from my PC Beep, which to me means it's reset from a reboot and is in the process of starting up

6-7 seconds is normally from when I hit enter on Peppermint 7 in grub.

Regards Zeb..
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 06, 2016, 04:00:10 am
I don't think ANY of these are necessarily a 100% true reflection of the boot time.

Let's take Zeb's example .. the "PC beep" has nothing to do with it nor does the GRUB timeout as logging CANNOT start until after GRUB when the kernel is started. So if Zebs PC isn't taking 50+ seconds to become bootable, one can only assume that the 42 seconds for loading firmware is running in parallel to other stuff and probably hasn't even finished by the time he considers the system "ready for use".
(in Zebs case I'm gonna guess the system is unable to load some firmware for something and eventually just gives up)

My points are

a) If the output from "systemd-analyze time" shows categories that run in parallel they're also meaningless as far as the average user is concerned when trying to calculate "time to usability".

and

b) "time to usability" is subjective and a completely different thing to "fully loaded"

It would seem that "boot time" is not an easy thing to measure from a system point of view .. all it can do is show process load times, it cannot show processes that failed to load, or can be badly skewed by something that has trouble loading but that has no effect on "usability".

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All I can say is that for me this output:
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mark@Silver-HP ~ $ systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 1.975s (firmware) + 7.078s (loader) + 4.316s (kernel) + 11.218s (userspace) = 24.588s
is a MUCH closer reflection of my machines "time to usability" than bootcharts 3.nn seconds.

I've come to the conclusion that neither are meant as a measure of "boot time" or "time to usability" .. they're purely tools for analysing boot problems.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 06, 2016, 05:12:06 am
Hi PCNetSpec and zebedeeboss,

How are you guys getting so much output from

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systemd-analyze time?? All I get are the kernel and userspace outputs, but nothing about a loader or firmware.  :-\

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 06, 2016, 05:25:08 am
Not doing anything special, just running
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systemd-analyze timeit's most likely that "firmware" and "loader" are to do with UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) and the bootloader files loaded by it .. so don't show up on non-uefi systems.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 06, 2016, 08:05:56 am
Whatever floats your boat ...   ;D


(http://vindsl.com/images/Selectionshot_2016-11-06_09:00:46.png)



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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze time     
Startup finished in 1.304s (kernel) + 10.105s (userspace) = 11.409s
╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  sudo systemd-analyze time
[sudo] password for vindsl:
Startup finished in 1.304s (kernel) + 10.105s (userspace) = 11.409s
 
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 06, 2016, 08:32:36 am
Which is still a pretty quick boot time no matter how you look at it :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 06, 2016, 09:04:58 am
Peppermint Rawks !   8)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on November 06, 2016, 09:45:50 am
For my little Dell D430 with an SSD and Peppermint Seven I cannot complain:

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xyz@abc ~ $ systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 4.164s (kernel) + 10.044s (userspace) = 14.208s
;D 8)


Regards,

-- Slim

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 06, 2016, 10:11:36 am
I hadn't checked the little Dell yet :)

I do however know it boots faster than my A10 quad core lappy that also has 4 times the RAM ???
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 06, 2016, 10:22:25 am
Heh !  Every community is different ... 

Assuming we're all in concordance, that  'systemd-analyze time' is the best way to go, may I suggest some visual confirmation for skeptics ?!?!?

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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze plot > ~/Desktop/`date "+%d-%b-%y-%T"`-plot.svg

Anyone can doctor a text file -- haxoring a .svg file, not so easy.   ;)


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This looks very similar to the old '/sbin/init' version of Bootchart, and is probably easier for noobs to digest ...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 07, 2016, 08:10:02 am
I just lit up my 32-bit Ubu test machine, and ran 'systemd-analyze time' from CLI.

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╭─vindsl@Zuul ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 4.295s (kernel) + 33.207s (userspace) = 37.503s

This 37.5 sec time is totally consistent with the 1000's of results I've recorded, over the years on this machine, with the classic Bootchart '/sbin/init' install.

Soooo, I think we have a winner, folks !   'systemd-analyze time' it is.  :)

Now, I'll reboot into Peppermint 7 and see if there's a diff ...

(continuing)

Hrmmm ...

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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-6 ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 4.933s (kernel) + 47.062s (userspace) = 51.995s

I might mention, I haven't optimized this 32-bit Peppermint install, except for asthetics -- custom theme, fonts, iconset, et cetera.

I ran 'systemd-analyze plot > ~/Desktop/`date "+%d-%b-%y-%T"`-plot.svg' from CLI, to see where the hold-up is ...


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We have the usual suspects -- apparmor & NM -- but the 'apt-daily' service surprises me; 29.8 sec.

Guess I'll restart, and see if times improve.

(continuing)

Bingo !

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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-6 ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze time                                           
Startup finished in 4.921s (kernel) + 25.952s (userspace) = 30.874s
Unoptimized Peppermint 7 beats highly tweaked Ubu dev branch release by 7 sec.   ;D


Here's the old girl, if anyone is interested:

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(continuing)

Bwahahahahahaha !   Incidental finding ...

I just ran my Unity debug script (above) and noticed 'mesa-common-dev' isn't installed, by default, in Peppermint 7.

Fixed !   ;D

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Okay, I'll stop now.  This post is turning into a chronicle ...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 07, 2016, 12:07:13 pm
Is there any reason we should have the mesa-common development files ?

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Unoptimized Peppermint 7 beats highly tweaked Ubu dev branch release by 7 sec.   ;D

Nice :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 07, 2016, 12:27:43 pm
Is there any reason we should have the mesa-common development files ?

Naw !

Anyone that needs it will know how to install it, you know ?   ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 18, 2016, 08:04:42 pm
Whoa !  You're gonna love this one !   :D

I was bored, this morning, and spent about 3 hours picking through the Linux kernel source tree -- only to find out that TRIM & NCQ/TRIM are blacklisted on my Samsung 850 EVO SSD. 

Matter of fact, ALL Samsung 8-series SSDs are blacklisted ...

LINK: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22Samsung+SSD%22&type=Code

Nice, eh what ?

I couldn't believe my eyes and ran a 'sudo fstrim -av ' manually in CLI.  Sure, as shiz.  My SSD hadn't been TRIM'ed once, since I installed it.

Since TRIM & NCQ/TRIM are blacklisted anyway, I did away with the daily TRIM CRON job, and added 'libata.force=noncq' to GRUB.


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<SNIP>

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="elevator=deadline apparmor=0 quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="libata.force=noncq"

<SNIP>

When I got done haxoring, I did a reboot and ran:

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systemd-analyze plot > ~/Desktop/`date "+%d-%b-%y-%T"`-plot.svg
...and checked the chart.  Not much difference, on this 64-bit machine, than before (11.449 sec)


BEFORE ...

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A couple of hours later, I was thinking about how to improve boot times.  The showstopper was NM, as usual.  It was taking 8+ sec for the service to connect.

I'm a NM H-A-T-E-R from way-back anyway, so I decided to dump NM and install my beloved WiCD (with static IPs).

Read 'em and weep (3.176 sec) ...


AFTER ...

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Bwahahahahaha !  WiCD is truly 'Wicked' !   8)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on November 18, 2016, 11:45:44 pm
Good grief John, that's outstanding  :o!!  I think I'll switch over to WiCD.  That might be just the thing needed, to resolve the systemd, NW love hate relationship my machines are suffering from  ;).
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 27, 2016, 04:13:02 am
Good grief John, that's outstanding  :o!!  I think I'll switch over to WiCD.  That might be just the thing needed, to resolve the systemd, NW love hate relationship my machines are suffering from  ;).

Guess this screenie says it all, Andy !  LoL   :D


(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL-27-Nov-16-05:08:32.png)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 27, 2016, 04:41:59 am
Hmm, a website that flags you as suspect for being efficient.

"Our website contains unnecessary elements specifically designed to bog you down, you're refusing to play our inefficiency game so we're going to treat you as suspect, and bog you down with this captcha".

That's quite telling, and one heck of an admission ::)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 27, 2016, 05:21:39 am
IKR ?  BTW, for the sake of discussion, I should probably add ...

The "super-human" speed at which this machine navigates websites is primarily due to:

I'm currently running Peppermint 7.

WiCD is setup to use static IPs on my personal LAN - dynamic IPs on my ISP's WAN.  And, I'm currently designating WiCD to use Norton ConnectSafe public DNS servers (https://dns.norton.com/faq.html) (199.85.126.10,199.85.127.10).  I change DNS servers from time-to-time, so this varies, but Norton ConnectSafe is working well at the moment.

Chromium is a speed demon, in its own right, but a combo of Ghostery, ublock Origin, Disconnect, and Canvas Defender throws gas on the fire, so to speak.  If one decides to try this, I should warn that there ARE some built-in conflicts amongst them.  A lot of nags can be alleviated by NOT blocking (disabling) 'Advertising' and 'Site Analytics' in Ghostery, since a lot of these extensions are doing the same thing, but ... none of them, by themselves, will work independently as well as this combo.  Soooo, I put up with the occasional warning from Chromium.

Adobe Flash ... I disable it for a multitude of reasons, so I won't go into it here ('Google' it).  I don't run Flash, period.  Exclamation point !  And, I strongly suggest others don't run it, either.   ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 30, 2016, 10:29:11 pm
I've been testing Linux 4.9.0-rc7 (http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9-rc7/) for past few days.

I wasn't impressed with Linux 4.7-4.9.0-rc6, and haven't been running them on Peppermint, but  I think they finally got the hang of it ...   ;D


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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze critical-chain
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @1.952s
└─multi-user.target @1.952s
  └─smbd.service @1.800s +152ms
    └─nmbd.service @1.408s +391ms
      └─network-online.target @1.407s
        └─network.target @1.407s
          └─networking.service @1.167s +231ms
            └─resolvconf.service @1.032s +127ms
              └─systemd-journald.socket @81ms
                └─-.slice @79ms
╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤ 




Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 22, 2017, 05:05:11 pm
Been baking my Dell E4630 lappy.  So far, so good ...

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vindsl@Chi-You ~ $ systemd-analyze critical-chain
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @915ms
└─multi-user.target @915ms
  └─wicd.service @719ms +196ms
    └─basic.target @677ms
      └─paths.target @677ms
        └─systemd-networkd-resolvconf-update.path @677ms
          └─sysinit.target @675ms
            └─systemd-update-utmp.service @529ms +19ms
              └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @522ms +6ms
                └─local-fs.target @521ms
                  └─boot-efi.mount @513ms +7ms
                    └─systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-EA02\x2d59E2.service @445ms +67ms
                      └─dev-disk-by\x2duuid-EA02\x2d59E2.device @439ms
vindsl@Chi-You ~ $


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vindsl@Chi-You ~ $ systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 4.080s (firmware) + 3.187s (loader) + 2.543s (kernel) + 921ms (userspace) = 10.732s
vindsl@Chi-You ~ $


The firmware and loader time is killing me.    Not sure if there is much I can do about that.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 22, 2017, 07:23:10 pm
Hrm ...

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vindsl@Chi-You ~ $ systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 4.452s (firmware) + 1.123s (loader) + 2.295s (kernel) + 924ms (userspace) = 8.795s
vindsl@Chi-You ~ $

Baby steps.  Baby steps.   8)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 23, 2017, 12:53:51 am
You're obviously having fun tweaking and fine tuning that new toy  ;)!
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 23, 2017, 02:26:14 am
You're obviously having fun tweaking and fine tuning that new toy  ;)!

Yeah, I've thought about that, over the years ...

I've always enjoyed taking 'Humpty Dumpty' apart and putting him back together again.

Doesn't really matter what it is.  Electronics, code, labor contracts, motor vehicles, people.

My parents told me, I used to take our house apart when I was a baby.

Go figure ...   :-\
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 23, 2017, 03:34:51 am
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dmesg | grep -i firmware??

I'm wondering if it's intel wireless firmware and possibly if it'd be better replacing the wireless adapter.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 23, 2017, 04:18:05 pm
Bingo !!!

Numbers don't lie.  Satan has attacked my machine -- look at the ver !   LoL!    ;D

Quote
vindsl@Chi-You ~ $ dmesg | grep -i firmware
[    0.138464] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
[    4.343843] b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
[   13.736702] b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
[   14.556780] b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
vindsl@Chi-You ~

EDIT

I was just looking at the spec sheet, and this lappy has the cheapest POS WiFi card installed that Dell makes.

When I had this thing apart, I noticed the Dell 1540 Broadcom card (https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Broadcom-BCM943228HM4L-802-1a-Dual-Band/dp/B009IA7O16) was only using two antennas.  A third antenna wire was there, but there was no post to attach it to.  Sooo, looks like this Dell 1540 is cheap dual-bander.

Doing some preliminary checking, it looks like an Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (https://www.amazon.com/802-11-Modules-Intel-Centrino-Ultimate-N/dp/B004OXOGBI/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1485221092&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=ntel+Centrino+Ultimate-N+6300) is the way to go.

Guess I'll be swapping that out next ...   8)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 24, 2017, 03:00:18 am
Homing in on the latest n' greatest ...

LINK:  https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Network-Generation-802-11ac-Bluetooth/dp/B0197W86IE

This might be 'the one'.  LoL !   ;D
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 25, 2017, 02:48:31 am
Decided to go this route:

OEM LINK:  http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/dual-band-wireless-ac-7260-bluetooth.html

Out-of-stock and backordered almost everywhere I looked.  Got the last one, over here:

NEWEGG: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106240

This card should speed things up ...  8)

EDIT

For posterity ...

Linux Support for Intel® Wireless Adapters:

OEM LINK #2:  http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000005511.html
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 25, 2017, 04:11:34 pm
Be interesting to see the difference

BTW, is it me or does that firmware look pretty old (2011) .. dunno why but I was expecting sommat more recent ???
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 26, 2017, 03:13:17 am
Be interesting to see the difference
BTW, is it me or does that firmware look pretty old (2011) .. dunno why but I was expecting sommat more recent ???

The Newegg order was nixed -- out-of-stock and unavailable.  Grrrrrr... So, I just ordered one from B&H Foto (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1141188-REG/intel_7260_hmwwb_r_dual_band_wireless_ac_7260.html).

And, yeah, the firmware does *appear* old.  This card is actually EOL, but I'm buying the revised version:


The 'R' stands for revised, and means it was made after mid-2014.  Evidently, the original version experienced disconnects on some machines.  The revised version 'fixed' it.

This oldy-but-goody (original and revised vers) reportedly works a treat on Dell E6430 laptops.  The bluetooth feature
reportedly works on the E6430, too.  If so, I'll be killing two birds with one stone.

As an aside -- like I've said before -- Dell parts are dirt cheap on the web.  I can buy a separate/dedicated NIB Dell bluetooth card and SATA connector cable for $9.98 USD, but I prefer to have it integrated into the WiFi NIC.  No reason to have two devices eating up the battery power, you know ?

Anyway, the problem and/or gamble, if you will, with buying a more recent NIC is a lack of software drivers.

Supposedly, the 7260 is compatible with my 'new' lappy.  Current Linux kernels have been patched, and Ubu/winders 10 drivers are both available.

I'll be curious to see how it pans out, too.   ;)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on February 09, 2017, 03:28:23 am
INTEL 7260 AC UPDATE

The jury is back, on the Intel 7260 AC WiFi card.  Now, I see why they're back-ordered everywhere - these things rawk! 

After spending a week or so testing this WiFi card at various spots around 'the valley' - work, home, play, hot spots - I can tell you, it made a day n' night difference in performance, e.g. speed.

In the abode, my WiFi connection nows performs just as fast as a hardwire connection, and I don't even own an AC router (https://goo.gl/ChROhP) (yet).  That will be my next purchase.

It's a whole new world, that I haven't fully explored yet.  For instance, when I'm scanning for connections, I'm used to finding channels 1-11.  Now, I'm seeing those channels, plus channel 131, channel 125 or whatevs.

I didn't realize those AC routers you see, with 2-8 antennas, allow multiple-connections at the same time, thus multiplying the throughput speed exponentially.

Can't wait to jet-hop around the country, and test the 7260 in strange new places ..  :D

Gotta run, but I thought I'd toss a quick update in here.  Latez
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 09, 2017, 04:30:07 am
Ah you're back, you were missing yesterday, I thought we'd lost you to KODI :))
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on February 09, 2017, 03:55:55 pm
Just mad busy, right now.  Wish there were more hours in the day ...   >:(

Speaking of Kodi (and now 802.11 AC), I wonder how many more trendy 'new' items I'm missing out on.

Guess I should try to keep up with the Joneses a little harder ...

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on February 10, 2017, 09:28:09 am
In the abode, my WiFi connection now performs just as fast as a hardwire connection, and I don't even own an AC router (https://goo.gl/ChROhP) (yet)

Just checked at work ...

8.9 mbps on a desktop machine with an ethernet connection.  58 mpbs on the laptop with a 7260 AC WiFi connection (802.11n).

WoW !   :o
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on November 10, 2017, 08:32:50 pm
New kernel - 3.5 second boot.

Is there no end to the speed tweaks that are possible with Peppermint 7?  8)


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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze time   
Startup finished in 1.457s (kernel) + 2.011s (userspace) = 3.469s
╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  inxi -v1           
System:    Host: Boogaloo-5 Kernel: 4.13.0-17-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-3470 (-MCP-) speed/max: 3192/3600 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GK208 [GeForce GT 710B]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz, 1280x1024@60.02hz, 2560x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GT 710/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 384.98
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (14.3% used)
Info:      Processes: 196 Uptime: 4:41 Memory: 1787.7/15999.2MB Client: Shell (zsh) inxi: 2.2.35


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╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤  systemd-analyze critical-chain                                       130 ↵
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @2.255s
└─multi-user.target @2.255s
  └─postfix.service @1.706s +549ms
    └─network-online.target @1.704s
      └─network.target @1.704s
        └─networking.service @1.612s +91ms
          └─network-pre.target @1.602s
            └─resolvconf.service @1.591s +4ms
              └─system.slice @86ms
                └─-.slice @76ms
╭─vindsl@Boogaloo-5 ~ 
╰─➤


(Click image to enlarge)

(http://vindsl.com/images/VinDSL_bootchart-20171112-0935.png)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 13, 2018, 12:14:22 pm
my system still feels so freaking slow to boot, despite my new hardware...  :-X

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spence@antec ~ $ systemd-analyze time
Startup finished in 6.657s (kernel) + 6.363s (userspace) = 13.021s
spence@antec ~ $ inxi -v1
System:    Host: antec Kernel: 4.13.0-26-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Eight
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 3600/4200 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5912
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 743.2GB (11.7% used)
Info:      Processes: 235 Uptime: 52 min Memory: 1253.6/31873.4MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
spence@antec ~ $ systemd-analyze critical-chain
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @6.361s
└─multi-user.target @6.361s
  └─ntp.service @6.350s +11ms
    └─network-online.target @6.349s
      └─NetworkManager-wait-online.service @540ms +5.808s
        └─NetworkManager.service @508ms +31ms
          └─dbus.service @502ms
            └─basic.target @496ms
              └─sockets.target @496ms
                └─rpcbind.socket @496ms
                  └─sysinit.target @495ms
                    └─systemd-update-utmp.service @256ms +4ms
                      └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @237ms +7ms
                        └─local-fs.target @237ms
                          └─run-user-1000-gvfs.mount @1.102s
                            └─run-user-1000.mount @1.017s
                              └─local-fs-pre.target @86ms
                                └─systemd-remount-fs.service @82ms +3ms
                                  └─systemd-journald.socket @47ms
                                    └─-.mount @42ms
                                      └─system.slice @47ms
                                        └─-.slice @42ms
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 13, 2018, 12:59:43 pm
Can we have the full
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inxi -Fzoutput, as the above suggests you have no graphics driver.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 13, 2018, 01:27:50 pm
Interesting  :-\


Haven't checked the numbers since switching to the Linux 4.14 kernel ...


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Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 13, 2018, 01:45:19 pm
The bad part is, I only see the beautiful Plymouth splash screen (and nVidia branded logo) for microseconds.

If you blink, you miss them both ...   ::)

Even with my interminable boot speed I never see the splash screen nor the ASRock branded screen... still  :-\

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 13, 2018, 02:00:02 pm
Can we have the full
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inxi -Fzoutput, as the above suggests you have no graphics driver.

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System:    Host: antec Kernel: 4.13.0-26-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: H270M Pro4
           Bios: American Megatrends v: P1.10 date: 11/14/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 3600 MHz 2: 3600 MHz 3: 3600 MHz
           4: 3600 MHz 5: 3600 MHz 6: 3600 MHz 7: 3600 MHz 8: 3600 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5912
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Intel Device a2f0 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-26-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 743.2GB (11.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: N/A size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: PNY_CS1311_240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD5000AACS size: 500.1GB
           ID-4: USB /dev/sdd model: CBO_CardReader size: 1.0GB
           ID-5: USB /dev/sde model: Cruzer size: 2.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 14G used: 4.4G (35%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
           ID-2: /boot size: 226M used: 74M (35%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
           ID-3: /home size: 208G used: 77G (39%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p4
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 36.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 227 Uptime: 20 min Memory: 1254.4/31873.4MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on January 13, 2018, 11:01:51 pm
Hi spence,

PCNetSpec is right: there is no driver listed for Graphics: Display Server: ...

Open:  Peppermint Settings Panel -> Hardware -> Additional Drivers and see if anything is available. HTH.

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 14, 2018, 07:56:34 am
I'm doing weekend maintenance on my ancient iron. Maybe I'll check the boot speed on it. [emoji16]

Sent from my Moto E⁴ using Tapatalk

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 14, 2018, 08:07:02 am
Heh! Looks like I own both the fastest & slowest booting P7 machines in Peppermintland ...  ;D


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Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 14, 2018, 08:33:19 am
Fixed !

Turns out, the UUID for the swap file was janky in fstab (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab)   8)


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It's amazing how one little thing can drag down the performance of a machine, yes?

Oh, well, that's why one needs to be vigilant and do regular maintenance ...  ::)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: Ly on January 14, 2018, 08:56:16 am
Mine is actually at : 42 Sec.
systemd-analyze :
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Startup finished in 5.877s (kernel) + 36.115s (userspace) = 41.993s

systemd-analyze blame :
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15.393s dev-sda5.device
         11.804s systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
         11.108s systemd-sysctl.service
          8.247s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
          5.083s apparmor.service
          4.977s ntp.service
          4.396s mintsystem.service
          3.711s grub-common.service
          3.567s irqbalance.service
          3.480s and.service
          3.454s ondemand.service
          3.258s lightdm.service
          3.253s networking.service
          3.139s vboxdrv.service
          2.870s accounts-daemon.service
          2.657s ModemManager.service
          2.417s NetworkManager.service
          1.753s thermald.service
          1.685s polkitd.service
          1.332s keyboard-setup.service
          1.158s systemd-modules-load.service
           821ms nmbd.service
           814ms run-rpc_pipefs.mount
806ms systemd-journald.service
         15.393s dev-sda5.device
         15.393s dev-sda5.device
         11.804s systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
         11.108s systemd-sysctl.service
          8.247s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
          5.083s apparmor.service
          4.977s ntp.service
          4.396s mintsystem.service
          3.711s grub-common.service
          3.567s irqbalance.service
          3.480s and.service
          3.454s ondemand.service
          3.258s lightdm.service
          3.253s networking.service
          3.139s vboxdrv.service
          2.870s accounts-daemon.service
          2.657s ModemManager.service
          2.417s NetworkManager.service
          1.753s thermald.service
          1.685s polkitd.service
          1.332s keyboard-setup.service
          1.158s systemd-modules-load.service
           821ms nmbd.service
           814ms run-rpc_pipefs.mount
           806ms systemd-journald.service
           757ms samba-ad-dc.service
           644ms udisks2.service
           518ms kmod-static-nodes.service
           503ms plymouth-start.service
           458ms upower.service
           394ms ufw.service
           374ms dev-mqueue.mount
           348ms binfmt-support.service
           339ms systemd-update-utmp.service
           338ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
           300ms gpu-manager.service
           299ms proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.mount
           277ms console-kit-log-system-start.service
           239ms lm-sensors.service
           238ms alsa-restore.service
           230ms systemd-user-sessions.service
           229ms rsyslog.service
           227ms pppd-dns.service
           197ms smbd.service
           190ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
           188ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
           182ms avahi-daemon.service
           172ms console-setup.service
           165ms dev-disk-by\x2duuid-8f9b8819\x2de763\x2d4569\x2d856c\x2dfd2edb1d5
           161ms systemd-journal-flush.service
           122ms systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
           108ms systemd-rfkill.service
            97ms dev-hugepages.mount
            93ms console-kit-daemon.service
            85ms systemd-remount-fs.service
            74ms plymouth-read-write.service
            46ms wpa_supplicant.service
            46ms systemd-logind.service
            29ms systemd-udevd.service
            26ms systemd-random-seed.service
            24ms hddtemp.service
            20ms user@1000.service
            18ms setvtrgb.service
            11ms dns-clean.service
             9ms rc-local.service
             7ms nfs-config.service
             4ms rtkit-daemon.service
             4ms vboxautostart-service.service
             4ms vboxweb-service.service
             4ms vboxballoonctrl-service.service
             4ms ureadahead-stop.service
             4ms resolvconf.service
             3ms sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount
             3ms systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service
             3ms bluetooth.service
             2ms plymouth-quit-wait.service
             2ms sys-kernel-config.mount
             1ms systemd-backlight@backlight:intel_backlight.service

for whatever reason, i remember in P7/P7R days i used to get a 28-32 sec.
In P8 i was getting 32-34 sec but slowly increasing to 42-50 sec now  :(
also sometimes i get a 1m50-ish sec for whatever reason...
It doesn't really annoy me that much but i want to understand what's going on, how did i alter the boot time (directly or indirectly...  :-\
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: zebedeeboss on January 14, 2018, 09:39:45 am
(http://storage7.static.itmages.com/i/17/0901/h_1504242986_2026260_00200d5a43.png)

This was my best ever - never seen it since - lol   must have been a blip

Regards Zeb...
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: VinDSL on January 14, 2018, 09:44:53 am
Sweet !  :)
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 14, 2018, 12:57:36 pm
Hi spence,

PCNetSpec is right: there is no driver listed for Graphics: Display Server: ...

Open:  Peppermint Settings Panel -> Hardware -> Additional Drivers and see if anything is available. HTH.

the only thing that appears there is:
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Using Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs from intel microcode (open source) And yet it tells me:
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This device is using an alternate driver
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 14, 2018, 05:29:06 pm
@spence

Back is still killing me so can't spend too much time ATM searching, but if you still have the 4.10 kernel installed can you boot to that and post the output from:
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inxi -Fz


As for the splash screen not displaying, have you removed btrfs-tools yet (if you're not using btrfs)
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sudo apt-get remove --purge btrfs-toolsI wasn't getting the splash screen until I did that.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 15, 2018, 10:01:14 am
@spence

Back is still killing me so can't spend too much time ATM searching, but if you still have the 4.10 kernel installed can you boot to that and post the output from:
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inxi -Fz


As for the splash screen not displaying, have you removed btrfs-tools yet (if you're not using btrfs)
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sudo apt-get remove --purge btrfs-toolsI wasn't getting the splash screen until I did that.

I only have room for two kernels apparently, used to hold four or so (guess kernels have swollen lately?)... and that kernel has been gone for quite some time... also purging appamor, bluez, btrfs & samba are the first things done after all fresh installs... sorry about your back, too much snow shoveling?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 15, 2018, 10:48:19 am
Can you post the:
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inxi -Fzoutput from a Peppermint 8 Respin LiveUSB ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 01:56:01 pm
@spence

Back is still killing me so can't spend too much time ATM searching, but if you still have the 4.10 kernel installed can you boot to that and post the output from:
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inxi -Fz

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System:    Host: antec Kernel: 4.13.0-26-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: H270M Pro4
           Bios: American Megatrends v: P1.10 date: 11/14/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 3600 MHz 2: 3600 MHz 3: 3600 MHz
           4: 3600 MHz 5: 3600 MHz 6: 3600 MHz 7: 3600 MHz 8: 3600 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5912
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Intel Device a2f0 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-26-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 743.2GB (2.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: N/A size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: PNY_CS1311_240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD5000AACS size: 500.1GB
           ID-4: USB /dev/sdd model: CBO_CardReader size: 1.0GB
           ID-5: USB /dev/sde model: Cruzer size: 2.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 14G used: 4.3G (33%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
           ID-2: /boot size: 226M used: 74M (35%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
           ID-3: /home size: 208G used: 14G (8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p4
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 37.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 221 Uptime: 2:29 Memory: 974.4/31873.4MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

As for the splash screen not displaying, have you removed btrfs-tools yet (if you're not using btrfs)
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sudo apt-get remove --purge btrfs-toolsI wasn't getting the splash screen until I did that.

btrfs-tools is always the first thing I remove in hopes of trimming boot time.  Sorta scratching my head about when my graphics driver went on walkabout? Nor how to knock it about to get it back...

this is my only machne now, all laptops donated elsewhere :-\
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 21, 2018, 01:59:26 pm
I wanted the
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inxi -Fzoutput whilst booted to the 4.10 kernel
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 02:44:11 pm
I wanted the
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inxi -Fzoutput whilst booted to the 4.10 kernel

Whoops, missed that request... setting out to reinstall it, but here's may last one...

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System:    Host: antec Kernel: 4.10.0-28-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: H270M Pro4
           Bios: American Megatrends v: P1.10 date: 11/14/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 899 MHz 2: 900 MHz 3: 899 MHz
           4: 900 MHz 5: 900 MHz 6: 900 MHz 7: 899 MHz 8: 900 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5912
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Intel Device a2f0 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.0-28-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (3.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: N/A size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: ST3160812AS size: 160.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 7.3G used: 4.5G (65%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
           ID-2: /boot size: 226M used: 66M (32%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
           ID-3: /home size: 222G used: 570M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 42.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 235 Uptime: 23:03 Memory: 2107.3/31878.0MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
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Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 02:57:52 pm
and here it is while booted into the most recent 4.10...

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System:    Host: antec Kernel: 4.10.0-42-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: H270M Pro4
           Bios: American Megatrends v: P1.10 date: 11/14/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 900 MHz 2: 900 MHz 3: 900 MHz 4: 900 MHz
           5: 900 MHz 6: 1970 MHz 7: 3162 MHz 8: 1174 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5912
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Intel Device a2f0 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.0-42-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 743.2GB (2.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: N/A size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: PNY_CS1311_240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD5000AACS size: 500.1GB
           ID-4: USB /dev/sdd model: CBO_CardReader size: 1.0GB
           ID-5: USB /dev/sde model: Cruzer size: 2.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 14G used: 4.7G (36%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
           ID-2: /boot size: 226M used: 129M (62%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
           ID-3: /home size: 208G used: 14G (8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p4
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 35.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 242 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 664.1/31878.0MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

Sorry about your back? what happened? I threw mine out doing a bit of gardening...  popping pills ever since
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 03:05:37 pm
took a look see about my motherboard's graphics...

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ASRock H270M Pro4 Graphics:
- Supports Intel® HD Graphics Built-in Visuals : Intel® Quick Sync Video with AVC, MVC (S3D) and MPEG-2 Full HW Encode1, Intel® InTru™ 3D, Intel® Clear Video HD Technology, Intel® Insider™, Intel® HD Graphics
- Gen9 LP, DX11.3, DX12
- HWA Encode/Decode: VP8, HEVC 8b, VP9, HEVC 10b (For 7th Gen Intel® CPU)
- HWA Encode/Decode: VP8, HEVC 8b; GPU/SW Encode/Decode: VP9, HEVC 10b (For 6th Gen Intel® CPU)
- Max. shared memory 1024MB**
- Three graphics output options: D-Sub, DVI-D and HDMI
- Supports Triple Monitor
- Supports HDMI with max. resolution up to 4K x 2K (4096x2160) @ 24Hz / (3840x2160) @ 30Hz
- Supports DVI-D with max. resolution up to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz
- Supports D-Sub with max. resolution up to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz
- Supports Auto Lip Sync, Deep Color (12bpc), xvYCC and HBR (High Bit Rate Audio) with HDMI Port (Compliant HDMI monitor is required)
- Supports HDCP with DVI-D and HDMI Ports
- Supports Full HD 1080p Blu-ray (BD) playback with DVI-D and HDMI Ports

*Intel® HD Graphics Built-in Visuals and the VGA outputs can be supported only with processors which are GPU integrated.

**The size of maximum shared memory may vary from different operating systems.

***Due to chipset limitation, the Blu-ray playback of Intel® HD Graphics is only supported under Windows® 8 / 8 64-bit / 7 / 7 64-bit.

****Intel® InTru™ 3D is only supported under Windows® 8 / 8 64-bit / 7 / 7 64-bit.

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 03:23:00 pm
Can you post the:
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inxi -Fzoutput from a Peppermint 8 Respin LiveUSB ?

And now from within the Respin LiveUSB:

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peppermint@peppermint ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: peppermint Kernel: 4.10.0-40-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: H270M Pro4
           Bios: American Megatrends v: P1.10 date: 11/14/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 900 MHz 2: 900 MHz 3: 900 MHz
           4: 900 MHz 5: 900 MHz 6: 900 MHz 7: 900 MHz 8: 900 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5912
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Intel Device a2f0 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.0-40-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 743.2GB (2.1% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: N/A size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: PNY_CS1311_240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD5000AACS size: 500.1GB
           ID-4: USB /dev/sdd model: CBO_CardReader size: 1.0GB
           ID-5: USB /dev/sde model: USB_Flash_Drive size: 2.0GB
Partition: ID-1: swap-1 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram0
           ID-2: swap-2 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram1
           ID-3: swap-3 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram2
           ID-4: swap-4 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram3
           ID-5: swap-5 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram4
           ID-6: swap-6 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram5
           ID-7: swap-7 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram6
           ID-8: swap-8 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram7
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 31.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 237 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 443.9/31878.0MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 03:50:37 pm
Off to the store to triage some phone issues... so sit back and relax your back PCNetSpec
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 21, 2018, 04:20:24 pm
Okay spence try this...

Boot to the 4.13.0-26 kernel

Now download this file, and double-click it to install
https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main/pool/main/i/intel-graphics-update-tool/intel-graphics-update-tool_2.0.2_amd64.deb
once that's installed, open a terminal and run:
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wget --no-check-certificate https://download.01.org/gfx/RPM-GPG-GROUP-KEY-ilgthen
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sudo apt-key add RPM-GPG-GROUP-KEY-ilgthen
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gksudo xed /etc/lsb-releaseand make it read
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# DISTRIB_ID=Peppermint
# DISTRIB_RELEASE=8
# DISTRIB_CODENAME=xenial
# DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Peppermint 8 Eight"

DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=16.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=xenial
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 16.04 LTS"
SAVE the file and exit the text editor.

Now run:
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sudo apt-get updatethen go to:-

Menu > Preferences > Intel® Graphics Update Tool for Linux* OS

and step through the installation of the graphics drivers.

Once that's completed without error .. REBOOT.

Once rebooted, run:
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sudo apt-get remove --purge intel-graphics-update-toolthen
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sudo apt-get autoremovethen
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gksudo xed /etc/lsb-releaseand make it read
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DISTRIB_ID=Peppermint
DISTRIB_RELEASE=8
DISTRIB_CODENAME=xenial
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Peppermint 8 Eight"
SAVE the file and exit the text editor.

Now post the output from:
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inxi -Fzand
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cat /etc/lsb-releaseand
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dpkg -l | grep intel-graphics-update-tool
[EDIT]

Why is this in a topic clearly labelled "Peppermint 7" when we're now talking about Peppermint 8 ? .. also this should have been in a SUPPORT topic of it's own, not buried in a GENERAL DISCUSSION topic about something completely different.

Not only is nobody with the same issue going to be able to find this, but there's absolutely no chance of marking this as (SOLVED) if a working solution is found.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 05:56:41 pm

Now post the output from:
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inxi -Fz

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System:    Host: antec Kernel: 4.13.0-26-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: H270M Pro4
           Bios: American Megatrends v: P1.10 date: 11/14/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 3600 MHz 2: 3600 MHz 3: 3600 MHz
           4: 3600 MHz 5: 3600 MHz 6: 3600 MHz 7: 3600 MHz 8: 3600 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Device 5912
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Intel Device a2f0 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-26-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 741.2GB (2.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: N/A size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: PNY_CS1311_240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD5000AACS size: 500.1GB
           ID-4: USB /dev/sdd model: CBO_CardReader size: 1.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 14G used: 4.7G (37%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
           ID-2: /boot size: 226M used: 129M (62%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
           ID-3: /home size: 208G used: 14G (8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p4
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 33.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 220 Uptime: 7 min Memory: 646.5/31873.4MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35


and
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cat /etc/lsb-releaseand
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dpkg -l | grep intel-graphics-update-tool

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spence@antec ~ $ dpkg -l | grep intel-graphics-update-tool
spence@antec ~ $ cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Peppermint
DISTRIB_RELEASE=8
DISTRIB_CODENAME=xenial
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Peppermint 8 Eight"

[EDIT]

Why is this in a topic clearly labelled "Peppermint 7" when we're now talking about Peppermint 8 ? .. also this should have been in a SUPPORT topic of it's own, not buried in a GENERAL DISCUSSION topic about something completely different.

Not only is nobody with the same issue going to be able to find this, but there's absolutely no chance of marking this as (SOLVED) if a working solution is found.

My apologies, was following previously preferred protocols from old peppermint forums to "search for your issue" before asking question.... I recollected vinDSL's excellent thread about speeding up bootand rolled thru all that applied to my slow boot issues... but still found my boot slow... so I asked here... then you mentioned the "where is your graphics driver?"

I am happy to ask the question again in a new thread if you wish, so you can delete my portion from this thread if you prefer?

 :(
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 21, 2018, 06:03:15 pm
We'll deal with it here this time, but in future... ;)

I'm gonna need to do some more homework on this tomorrow spence .. maybe kaby lake needs a more recent kernel.

I'll see what I can dig up tomorrow.

[EDIT]

Generally the protocol would be to search for it first, and if you come across something related still start a new topic, but link back to the relevent topic in your new one :) .. Support topics should always be new (so owned by you), always a single subject, and always have a descriptive title. The reason being so they can be marked as (SOLVED) if/when a solution is found, thereby helping others searching for a known working solution.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 21, 2018, 06:29:56 pm
Can you run:
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sudo updatedbthen post the output from:
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locate kbl_dmcand:
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locate kbl_gucand:
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locate kbl_huc
[EDIT]

Can you also run:
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dmesg > ~/Desktop/dmesg.txtthen host the dmesg.txt file you'll find on your desktop online somewhere such as
http://www.tinyupload.com/
and PM me a link to it.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 21, 2018, 08:01:18 pm
I know you are asleep by now, our pain meds have us both wiped out most likely too...

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spence@antec ~ $ locate kbl_dmc
/lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1.bin
/lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin
spence@antec ~ $ locate kbl_guc
spence@antec ~ $ locate kbl_huc
/lib/firmware/i915/kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin
   :-\

Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 22, 2018, 04:42:01 am
Whilst I go through your dmesg output, is Chromium (or whatever it was) still crashing ?
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 23, 2018, 04:20:11 pm
Whilst I go through your dmesg output, is Chromium (or whatever it was) still crashing ?

Today, neither Chromium, nor Seamonkey have crashed a single time... KOW!
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 23, 2018, 05:02:54 pm
it's weird that this seems sporadic, next time it starts crashing can you IMMEDIATELY post in here, so we can go through your logs to see if anything changed on your system.
Title: Re: How Fast Is Peppermint 7 ?
Post by: spence on January 26, 2018, 02:17:13 pm
it's weird that this seems sporadic, next time it starts crashing can you IMMEDIATELY post in here, so we can go through your logs to see if anything changed on your system.

Yes... its ever so strange... once again today, all is well...