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Title: Peppermint 7
Post by: JoeSh on May 20, 2016, 11:24:52 am
Hi all!!

Any news on Peppermint 7 yet?

What would everyone like to see in the latest version?
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: aagimob on May 20, 2016, 12:24:34 pm
...Peppermint OS is built for speed...but... 'FESTINA LENTE' !... ;)

Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: zebedeeboss on May 20, 2016, 12:45:50 pm
...Peppermint OS is built for speed...but... 'FESTINA LENTE' !... ;)

Well said +1
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 20, 2016, 10:27:20 pm
Yep, the news is it's still in private beta testing .. but with any luck it shouldn't be too long now :)

That said, if we run into any major hiccups it'll be "as long as it takes" to fix it .. we only release when we consider it "ready" ;)

What would I like to see in Peppermint 7 .. Now that would be telling as I've already put it in ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: scifidude79 on May 20, 2016, 11:09:38 pm
I'd like to see a simple but effective desktop interface with a panel and a menu for launching programs.  :D
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: Timo on May 20, 2016, 11:44:11 pm
I'd like to see a simple but effective desktop interface with a panel and a menu for launching programs.  :D

GUI confirmed 8)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: JoeSh on May 21, 2016, 04:01:46 pm
Good to hear all your thoughts and feedback!

 8)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: rajeev2631007 on May 22, 2016, 06:32:46 am
Hi PCNetSpecs,

I'm hoping this private beta testing also includes wireless or Ethernet printer and scanner testing for well renowned brands.
And touch screens issues which we had faced with hybrid laptops. These are the big issues which we faced everyday in production environments along  with application bugs in Linux.

I'm hoping Peppermint 7 will be perform better then other Linux distribution in these areas.

Will Peppermint 7 ( Ubuntu 16.04 Kernel ?) Support Atom motherboard and better and improve touch screen performance?

I came to know these features depends on Kernel version is it true?

I'm very excited for Peppermint 7. God gives you power and creativity to make Peppermint 7 a Masterpiece.

Regards,
Rajeev Gautam
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 22, 2016, 07:52:26 am
We haven't "specifically" concentrated on these areas....

LAN printing is really a "driver" level problem (or not in the case of HP) .. we have no control over manufacturer drivers.

Touchscreen support is part of xorg and the kernel .. I gather there are some improvements in the 4 series kernels that we'll simply "inherit"

As for "Atom" motherboards .. I take it you mean 32bit UEFI support .. I'm sorry but NO, Intel have made some of the Atom chipsets Linux incompatible for more reasons than just 32bit UEFI (such as power management that's specifically tied to Windows) .. basically all I can tell you is "if it works in 16.04, it'll work in Peppermint 7" but we haven't treated touchscreen or 32bit UEFI "Atom" mobos as a "special case".
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: rajeev2631007 on May 22, 2016, 01:34:00 pm
Quote
LAN printing is really a "driver" level problem (or not in the case of HP) .. we have no control over manufacturer drivers.

What I understand from you that Manufactures are not taking their responsibility or ownership to make Linux Printer and Scanner and Multi functional Device Drivers for Linux.And Linux Distro can't do any thing in this area their own or they don't have any solutions for these issues. Is it not a big and important issue for Linux community that It  should work Out-off the box.  :-\

I had migrated 58 XP computers to Peppermint 6 in my production environment and above area had my biggest and Frustrating area  and waste lot off time in this only.I also admit that without this forum help I had not able to accomplish this.

 I'm not the only person who think this is a painful issue and Frustrating area. I'm sharing one you tube video from Matthew Moore

The Frustrations of Linux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0chgyL7u4Qs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0chgyL7u4Qs)

I request other forum users please give your opinion and suggestion. You really think is it issue or not?

Regards,

Rajeev Gautam
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 22, 2016, 02:14:40 pm
No that's not what I'm saying at all, but you have to admit why should Linux be held responsible for Canon or Brother, or Lexmarks inadequacies ? .. you wouldn't blame Apple if a device clearly labeled as "Windows" didn't have OS X drivers .. you'd blame yourself for not doing the homework before buying the printer, or the printer manufacturer for not doing the drivers, it's simply not Apples job to write drivers for other peoples hardware (in fact it would likely be impossible without the closely guarded proprietary specs for the device).

In reality printing has come a long way in Linux, both with manufacturers finally starting to do Linux drivers, and by people writing open source drivers for a TON of older models:
https://www.openprinting.org/printers
however, some of these can be difficult to find and/or install.

Simple fact is, if you want an easy life, buy a printer that's known to work in Linux, in the same way if you owned an Apple you'd buy one known to work in OS X
If you buy one KNOWN to work in Linux (preferably HP) then there's every chance it'll work without you needing to do much (or sometimes any) configuration.

As for Micheal Moore .. [PCNetSpec thinks for a second] .. no I'm not going there, personally *I* don't think it's my place to slag off others "work (?)"
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: AndyInMokum on May 22, 2016, 06:25:20 pm
There's one very exciting announcement Matthew Moore makes at the beginning of this video.  He's making less videos about Linux - hurrah  :-X!!
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: perknh on May 22, 2016, 06:39:55 pm
There's one very exciting announcement Matthew Moore makes at the beginning of this video.  He's making less videos about Linux - hurrah  :-X!!

Got it!  :) 

I can't imagine which OS he will choose now -- Microsoft Windows or Apple Mac OS X?  This should be interesting.

Thank you, AndyInMokum and rajeev2631007  ;)

perknh
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: AndyInMokum on May 22, 2016, 07:18:29 pm
There's one very exciting announcement Matthew Moore makes at the beginning of this video.  He's making less videos about Linux - hurrah  :-X!!

Could you share the link, Andy?   I'd like to hear what he has to say about Linux now.
Here you go, https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3505.msg35074.html#msg35074 (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3505.msg35074.html#msg35074).  Sorry I can't give you the official YouTube link.  For some reason I can't access the Comments or Share.  They just perpetually load  :-\.   Strange, as it was working a few minutes ago.  It must be a Google thing  ;D.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: perknh on May 22, 2016, 09:04:20 pm
Thank you, AndyInMokum.  Got it!  :)  Also, I know rajeev2631007 would like hear any conclusions anyone has after listening to and and watching the video.

So here goes:

I just listened and watched as to why Matthew Moore is leaning more and more towards Windows as a preferred OS.  He is leaning more and more towards Windows because he has just had a bad experience with his personal computer's printer while using MATE 16.04.   He, apparently, hasn't received the forum support he needs to resolve the issue he is having with his printer -- or with the drivers for this printer.  He is also clearly frustrated about this printer problem he is having right now.  Therefore his conclusion is:  Linux is great on the back end of things --such as a being an excellent OS for servers, but, on front end of things, Linux is not much more than "a toy."  He prefers Windows now for day to day personal or business computer use because he feels Windows is a more reliable platform.  Matthew Moore believes that Windows programs are a cut above Linux programs, and, when a computer user needs something to work (at least in the United States), he or she is better using Windows than GNU/Linux. 

That is what I got from watching this video --that and that MATE 16.04 looks like a pretty darn good Ubuntu distribution.  ;)

Personally, I've seen this problem in reverse.  I have a friend who runs both Windows and Linux.  I've seen Windows 7 come up with some funny model numbers when it comes to her printer, and NEVER an accurate one.  Presently, Peppermint 6 is supporting her printer while Windows 7 is not --for the third time it is not, I must say.  So I've seen this kind of problem go both ways.  I don't doubt that Matthew may be having a problem with 16.04.  Yes, he's a seasoned Linux user, but these issues can still occur, and, fortunately, they can usually be resolved over time.

Off topic:

I've also concluded, or at least I should say I suspect strongly, that Matthew Moore has a skin condition called Seborrheic Dermatitis.  And I suspect I now know why Matthew scratches his skin so much.  Seborrheic Dermatitis is a noncontagious, but extremely itchy skin condition.  So a medical mystery may have been solved today.  And, since Matthew Moore is living in the US, I suspect there's a 50-50 chance he may not even know that he actually has this condition.  But I can see it's bothering the heck out of him.  He now has my sympathy on that issue.  He's showing the classic signs of a seborrheic dermal flareup within this video.

P.S.

I didn't realize that PCNetSpec had already posted on this subject.  For sure, if you want to use Linux, do your best to buy something that works with Linux.  I hear you!  ;)

   
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: rajeev2631007 on May 23, 2016, 03:13:10 am
Hi Perknh,You always kind and open to share you experience and guidance for forum uses.Thank you for your sharing and conclusions.

I Still confuse and not able understand,May be my lack of understand of concepts why Universal print drives are not used or works or not included in distro by default.I heard and came to know Universal Print Driver Works with all printer drivers and manufacturers as single printer driver.Citrix UPS (Universal Print Services or Server) is very good example of it.Please correct me if I'm wrong. I also found after Google search there are some apps like Gutenprint and TurboPrint (Commerical) extend and improve your printer driver support.Gutenprint currently supports over 700 printer of Brother/Canon/Epson/HP models.

Gutenprint 5.2.11
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/index.php (http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/index.php)

TurboPrint 2
http://www.turboprint.info/ (http://www.turboprint.info/)
 

I hope there may be more apps available on open source community.Why Distro are not included these apps in their repositories to extend printer support.There should be some reason behind this which I don't know. I hope PCNetspecs will help me to clear my ignorance or doubts. :-\

Regards,

Rajeev Gautam   
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 23, 2016, 05:20:04 am
I can help you clear up the open source one, gutenprint .. run:
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep gutenprint
and you'll see it's already installed "out of the box"

You may also want run
Code: [Select]
dpkg -l | grep foomatic
where you'll see a compressed database of PPD's is already installed (where a PPD is available)

Commercial products that are basically just collections of closed source proprietary drivers will never make it into the repos as we can't study the source code for malware and therefore keep you safe.

Linux has the same CUPS backend as Apples OS X, so you'd think it would be trivial for manufacturers to release PPD files for their printers .. instead they choose to wrap them up in proprietary software that is licensed in such a way as to make it incompatible with free software .. the fact is even where they supply proprietary drivers for Linux we CANNOT supply them for both licensing and security reasons.

This is a manufacturer created problem, not a Linux one .. buy a printer from a manufacturer known to open source their drivers and those drivers will already be installed .. in short "HP" ;)

Or pressure your printer manufacturer to either:-

a) open source their drivers
or
b) release a simple PPD file for your printer so that it can be included in something like gutenprint / foomatic
or
c) work with the Linux community to build open sourced versions of their drivers (or a simple PPD)
or at worst
d) release proprietary LINUX drivers

I mean really, how hard would it be for other manufacturers to do what HP do with hplip (HP Linux Imaging and Printing) .. a universal open source driver (and GUI front end) that covers ALL their printers ?
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: rajeev2631007 on May 23, 2016, 07:22:04 am
Thank you very much PCNetSpec 8) once again..........for removing few clouds of ignorance and doubts.Few are left I'm hoping that also clear after you next post and I'll able to see sun shine.  :)

 I checked gutenprint and foomatic are preinstall in Peppermint 6.Is it licensing and security reason behind?, that why Hplip is not preinstall in Peppermint 6?

What are the default path of footmatic/gutenprint/Hplip . If I went to path and checked PPD files in /usr/share/cups/model I don't find any files and folder there. Am I'm looking at wrong place? There are any difference between foomatic-db-compressed-ppds and foomatic-db-engine.

Thank you very much again for you sharing.

One more thing Perknh and AndyInMokum if you know Matthew Moore >:( please advice him talk to Mr. PCNetSpec 8) after that He will not feel Frustrations due to Linux. :D

Regards,

Rajeev Gautam
 
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: perknh on May 23, 2016, 08:16:30 am
One more thing Perknh and AndyInMokum if you know Matthew Moore >:( please advice him talk to Mr. PCNetSpec 8) after that He will not feel Frustrations due to Linux. :D

That's wise advice, rajeev2631007.  Matthew might regain his love for Linux again if he began using Peppermint Linux OS, while participating in our fun and informative forum.  Matthew needs to relax a little.  I'm pretty sure that Windows 10 is not really where Matthew wants to go in the world of computing.  Like most human beings who use computers, myself included, Matthew's true problem actually resides between his keyboard and his seat.  Linux is not the enemy! ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 23, 2016, 12:12:02 pm
hplip and hplip-gui were left out solely because they're manufacturer specific .. and very easy to install anyway.
(I didn't want to push hplip on people that *don't* hav a HP printer)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: GNULINUX on May 23, 2016, 12:39:09 pm
+1 for hplip-gui (if you have a HP printer of course). ;)

I have a HP Photosmart 5525 (print-scan-copy-web) and have it plugged in via USB on my main system and shared on my home-network (mixed Windows-Linux).
Everything works from every device, I even think hplip has more options than the Windows driver offers!

It's really a very good piece of software and it has an easy and nice User Interface!  8)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: rajeev2631007 on May 24, 2016, 12:39:48 am
Thank you perknh,PCNetSpec,AndyInMokum,GNULINUX for you inputs and sharing.  :)

After this discussion I came to know Peppermint team is full of genius who take care small small things which can improve Peppermint Distro. Most the time other big and popular distro. miss that small small details due to lack of experience and Dedicated team and forum users. I had experienced this during migration process in production environment. Most of the time you attach any device camera/Mobile/3G or 4G Dongle/USB Wireless Dongle/USB bar-code Scanner/Printer PM6 always work and other distro failed due to XYZ reasons. 

I'm excited for PM7. I'm hoping it should be better than PM6.

Regards,

Rajeev Gautam
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 24, 2016, 12:07:54 pm
For my part you're most welcome :)

I'm excited for PM7. I'm hoping it should be better than PM6.

Me too ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: perknh on May 24, 2016, 01:15:10 pm
Hi rajeev2631007,

I'm as enthusiastic and as hopeful for Peppermint 7 as you are, rajeev2631007!  ;)

Thank you so much,

perknh
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: scifidude79 on May 24, 2016, 01:18:34 pm
+1 for hplip-gui (if you have a HP printer of course). ;)

I have a HP Photosmart 5525 (print-scan-copy-web) and have it plugged in via USB on my main system and shared on my home-network (mixed Windows-Linux).
Everything works from every device, I even think hplip has more options than the Windows driver offers!

It's really a very good piece of software and it has an easy and nice User Interface!  8)

I'm with you, I love hplip-gui.  You know what's great about it?  All of the functionality of the Windows version, maybe more, without the bloat.  On Windows, they make you install all of those programs to get all of the functions and it's a bunch of needless BS.  The Linux version is simple and straightforward, no bloat.

I'll only buy HP printers from here on out simply because of their superior Linux support.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 24, 2016, 02:53:41 pm
Ditto.

Oh, and Samsung lasers .. Samsung also do good Linux drivers
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: scifidude79 on May 24, 2016, 04:27:16 pm
Oh, and Samsung lasers .. Samsung also do good Linux drivers

Good information to have.  :)

As much as I like HP printers, their quality can be hit or miss.  I'll have to keep Samsung in mind for future purchases.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: AndyInMokum on May 24, 2016, 04:48:38 pm
Oh, and Samsung lasers .. Samsung also do good Linux drivers

Good information to have.  :)

As much as I like HP printers, their quality can be hit or miss.  I'll have to keep Samsung in mind for future purchases.
Unfortunately, HP printers have a tendency to be ink hungry beasts too  :(.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 24, 2016, 05:17:03 pm
Yep, the ideal setup is a Sammy B&W laser set on draft for most use .. and an HP inky for the odd colour image

That said, that's ideal for *me* .. probably not everyone.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: scifidude79 on May 24, 2016, 09:11:40 pm
I hardly ever print anything.  The last thing I used my printer for was the SD card slot.  ;)  I don't even remember if my printer has ink.  I think one of the cartridges is empty, maybe the black one.

Though, you are correct, HP goes through ink like nobody's business.  And it's expensive too.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: Gnostalgia on May 26, 2016, 03:23:21 pm
I almost never print anymore. I noticed that TOS on Youtube struggled with his wireless printer using Manjaro.  I had no problems setting up my printer with Manjaro ... probably dumb luck. I may sit down with my Peppermint this weekend and try to connect it to the printer. Hey Devs! Any hints about the future Peppermint? I'm really liking what I see with Manjaro LXQT. Should I wait for the new Peppermint?
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: zebedeeboss on May 26, 2016, 03:32:08 pm
I almost never print anymore. I noticed that TOS on Youtube struggled with his wireless printer using Manjaro.  I had no problems setting up my printer with Manjaro ... probably dumb luck. I may sit down with my Peppermint this weekend and try to connect it to the printer. Hey Devs! Any hints about the future Peppermint? I'm really liking what I see with Manjaro LXQT. Should I wait for the new Peppermint?

100% yes  ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 26, 2016, 04:04:37 pm
Hey Devs! Any hints about the future Peppermint? I'm really liking what I see with Manjaro LXQT. Should I wait for the new Peppermint?

Loaded question...

Obviously we'd say yes, but the call is purely yours my mate ;)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: murraymint on May 27, 2016, 12:21:53 am

Will Peppermint 7 ( Ubuntu 16.04 Kernel ?) Support Atom motherboard and better and improve touch screen performance?

I came to know these features depends on Kernel version is it true?


Hi Rajeev. Which Atom devices do you want to use, and what do you want to do with them? I've done some experiments in this area recently and my main piece of advice would be: if you want to run Linux on an Atom device, find one with Ubuntu pre-installed on it (they do exist).

The kernel is the deal-breaker with these things and it has to be customised quite a bit. One of the people who's done some of the best work in this area is Linuxium, his website is at http://www.linuxium.com.au/

The rumour is that Intel were persuaded by Microsoft to make the Atoms difficult to use any other operating system than Windows on. I've no way of verifying this (except that the result was exactly that)...
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: JoeSh on May 27, 2016, 05:14:21 am
So... Anyway... Peppermint 7!

I'm hoping for a bit more customisation. That's about it!

 :D
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 27, 2016, 05:17:46 am
Do you  mean customisation "options", or customised "out of the box" ?

and if the latter, what would you like to see customised ?
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: JoeSh on May 27, 2016, 12:46:54 pm
Do you  mean customisation "options", or customised "out of the box" ?

and if the latter, what would you like to see customised ?

Out of the box, themes and wallpapers.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 27, 2016, 12:57:09 pm
Ahh right .. well the RC is aready built and under testing so there's effectively a feature freeze in place .. so I guess you'll just have to wait and see what we already have :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: scifidude79 on May 27, 2016, 01:33:23 pm
I was hoping for donuts out of the box.  No wait, that's a different box. :P
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: JoeSh on May 27, 2016, 03:46:27 pm
I look forward to it  8)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: Kyle on June 11, 2016, 08:30:43 pm
Excited for the release of PM7! Would like to see better hardware support for my older business class laptop (particularly the sound buttons don't work correctly). And of course I am looking forward to having the latest version of Ubuntu and Linux Kernel as backend  :)
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: Timo on June 12, 2016, 10:09:15 am
Excited for the release of PM7! Would like to see better hardware support for my older business class laptop (particularly the sound buttons don't work correctly).

Have you tried this:
Try this .. run:
Code: [Select]
sudo gedit /etc/asound.conf
when a BLANK file opens, make it read
Code: [Select]
pcm.pulse {
    type pulse
}
ctl.pulse {
    type pulse
}
pcm.!default {
    type pulse
}
ctl.!default {
    type pulse
}
SAVE the file and exit gedit

log off/on (or reboot)

test your mute key now toggles mute/unmute
?
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: Kyle on June 12, 2016, 10:32:44 am
Excited for the release of PM7! Would like to see better hardware support for my older business class laptop (particularly the sound buttons don't work correctly).

Have you tried this:
Try this .. run:
Code: [Select]
sudo gedit /etc/asound.conf
when a BLANK file opens, make it read
Code: [Select]
pcm.pulse {
    type pulse
}
ctl.pulse {
    type pulse
}
pcm.!default {
    type pulse
}
ctl.!default {
    type pulse
}
SAVE the file and exit gedit

log off/on (or reboot)

test your mute key now toggles mute/unmute
?

Thank you that fixed it!
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: Gnostalgia on June 20, 2016, 11:33:52 am
source: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Peppermintos

Peppermint 7 Launch Day

Hi Peppermint Nation .. Team Peppermint would like to announce a preliminary launch date of the 30th of June for Peppermint 7.

Please be aware that this is currently only a 'pencilled in' date, if any new bugs come to light, etc. the release may be pushed back until they are fixed. That said, the private beta test hasn't brought up any show stoppers so far, so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Peppermint 7
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 20, 2016, 11:43:36 am
Yep, I really should put that up as an announcement here shouldn't I  :-[