Peppermint OS Community Forum

Support => Installation => Topic started by: perknh on April 28, 2016, 12:42:17 pm

Title: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 28, 2016, 12:42:17 pm
Hello Peppermint!

Did a fresh install of Peppermint today, but I can't seem to get Pepperflash plugin to update.  I get this message instead:

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
perknh@peppermint ~ $ sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install
ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google : W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
1397BC53640DB551
More information might be available at:
  http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
perknh@peppermint ~ $
[close]

I know I can download Chrome but I'd prefer to use our open source Chromium browser on this computer if I can.  (Even my Opera browser begins as an open source installation through use of the terminal.)

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I did go to the Debian link that was mentioned in the message above, but I learned nothing more there than I had learned here concerning Pepperflash.  ;)

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: zebedeeboss on April 28, 2016, 12:56:05 pm
Hi perknh

Try this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2322426&s=9ac6506213f87fbe5425bcfefd461bbc&p=13479267#post13479267 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2322426&s=9ac6506213f87fbe5425bcfefd461bbc&p=13479267#post13479267)

it appears you are not the only one with the same problem today
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: perknh on April 28, 2016, 01:11:24 pm
Thanks for trying, zebedeeboss!  I ran the command, but still nothing.  I got this result:

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
perknh@peppermint ~ $   sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 1397BC53640DB551
[sudo] password for perknh:
Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --homedir /tmp/tmp.rFBdpBF8yb --no-auto-check-trustdb --trust-model always --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 1397BC53640DB551
gpg: requesting key 640DB551 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
gpg: key D38B4796: public key "Google Inc. (Linux Packages Signing Authority) <linux-packages-keymaster@google.com>" imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
perknh@peppermint ~ $ sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install
ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google : W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
1397BC53640DB551
More information might be available at:
  http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
perknh@peppermint ~ $
[close]
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: zebedeeboss on April 28, 2016, 01:18:22 pm
Hi perknh

We tried  :)  lets wait for the techie Guru's now, who will decipher the gobble-de-gook for us  :-\
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: scifidude79 on April 28, 2016, 01:20:58 pm
Did you try uninstalling and reinstalling Pepperflash to get the latest version?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: perknh on April 28, 2016, 01:54:18 pm
I've tried now, scifidude79, but still no luck.  Thank you for the idea.  ;)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: GNULINUX on April 28, 2016, 02:30:14 pm
What's the output from:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
Does it say "pepperflashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version" or does this installs it for you?

Greets!
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: perknh on April 28, 2016, 07:28:20 pm
What's the output from:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
Does it say "pepperflashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version" or does this installs it for you?

Greets!

You're absolutely right, GNULINUX!  I've got the latest version!  ;)

The command to get the status did not work for me either.  Thank you for this new command,  ;)

perknh

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
perknh@peppermint ~ $ sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[sudo] password for perknh:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
pepperflashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
perknh@peppermint ~ $


[close]
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion
Post by: GNULINUX on April 28, 2016, 08:03:23 pm
Glad you got it working!  :)

After some more research: You're right, something is broken...

On both my machines "sudo apt-get update" returns the same output: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 1397BC53640DB551"

They have both pepperflashplugin-nonfree installed and are on version 20.0.0.306 in Chromium.

If I run "sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree" i get "pepperflashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version".

If I run "sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install" I get "ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google : W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 1397BC53640DB551"

Question:
Do we really have the newest pepperflash version (Google Chrome is on v.21.0.0.216) or has this something to do with Google dropping support for 32-bit?

At least you can watch flash-videos now!  ;)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 28, 2016, 08:30:25 pm
Yeah, there's nothing we can do about this .. Google need to fix their package signing.

I can tell you how to MANUALLY rip out pepperflash from the latest Chrome and apply it to Chromium .. or you can

a) either switch to Chrome .. which you'll probably still have to manually install (for the same signing reason)

b) switch to Firefox

c) wait until Google fix their package signing

you can see a list of other broken packages (because the maintainers haven't got the right signatures) here:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal
though I don't know how up-to-date that list is

Something tells me Google propbably won't fix their package signing until the next Chrome release.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: GNULINUX on April 29, 2016, 03:30:46 am
^ Thanks for the extra info!  ;)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 05:17:35 pm
Yeah, there's nothing we can do about this .. Google need to fix their package signing.

I can tell you how to MANUALLY rip out pepperflash from the latest Chrome and apply it to Chromium .. or you can

a) either switch to Chrome .. which you'll probably still have to manually install (for the same signing reason)

b) switch to Firefox

c) wait until Google fix their package signing

...

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how Firefox deals with Flash?

Pepperflash plugin doesn't work with Firefox, and I've also read that Firefox wants nothing to do with Flash.  But Firefox would still have to deal with Flash in one way or another, I'd think.  :-\

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 29, 2016, 05:33:18 pm
If I remember rightly there's a third-party version of the plug-in that gets Flash from chrome and puts it into Firefox. You don't have to install chrome.

Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer

if you want to try it.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 05:51:57 pm
If I remember rightly there's a third-party version of the plug-in that gets Flash from chrome and puts it into Firefox. You don't have to install chrome.

Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer

if you want to try it.

Hello murraymint. 

This will be for a friend's 32- bit computer if he ever needs it.  I removed and purged Pepperflash from his computer today, since he can't run Chromium or Chrome on that old computer any longer.  Now, if he needs Flash, I'll know what to do.

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 29, 2016, 06:00:43 pm
Hi perknh

Why can't he use Chromium? Have you thought about something lighter, Midori for instance?
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 06:19:03 pm
Hi perknh

Why can't he use Chromium? Have you thought about something lighter, Midori for instance?

I believe Google stopped supporting 32-bit Chrome and 32-bit Chromium 32-bit, although I can't remember why.  I replaced Peppermint's Chromium browser on his computer with Firefox.  He's got whatever Peppermint has to offer --including Peppermint's Games with Firefox.  Everything is functional.  I decided against enabling Canonical Partners and I didn't add Ubuntu-extras either.  There is no camera on this old computer, and this man never gets very fancy with his email either.  I'm debating whether or not to add Flash.  But, then I figure, if I did so it would be just one more thing we have to keep updating, and I'm trying to keep things as simple and secure for him as possible for him. 

I did install the Dalisha icon set, and I also added a few more wallpapers, just to spruce things up a bit! ;)

As for Midori...no, it hadn't even crossed my mind.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 29, 2016, 06:43:49 pm
It's not Google who support Chromium at all, it's open-source. I could be wrong but as far as I can see it still exists in 32-bit form. I thought you meant his PC couldn't handle it, in which case a lighter browser might be an idea.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 06:52:33 pm
It's not Google who support Chromium at all, it's open-source. I could be wrong but as far as I can see it still exists in 32-bit form. I thought you meant his PC couldn't handle it, in which case a lighter browser might be an idea.

Thank you, murraymint.  Here's what was going on:  It was, again, a Pepperflash Plugin issue with which I was dealing.  That's what it was all about.  Sorry, for creating any confusion here concerning Google.  My mistake.

perknh

 https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3266.msg32263.html#msg32263 (https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3266.msg32263.html#msg32263)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 29, 2016, 07:00:10 pm
Okay, now I get it. Yes, probably not a good idea to keep using an outdated Flash plugin.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 07:17:21 pm
Okay, now I get it. Yes, probably not a good idea to keep using an outdated Flash plugin.

murraymint, I rarely use Firefox.  I wonder if most people here who use Firefox install Flash or not.  I know, as time goes on, topics about Flash are beginning to lose their charm.  It seems to me there's constantly one problem after another concerning it.  Still, it may be a necessary evil, I don't know.  Perhaps I ought to install it for this fellow's computer.  I really don't know.  :-\

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 29, 2016, 07:42:29 pm
There are pros and cons. Why not wait and see if he complains about not being able to watch videos on certain websites? Maybe he won't even need flash.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 07:58:44 pm
There are pros and cons. Why not wait and see if he complains about not being able to watch videos on certain websites? Maybe he won't even need flash.

Yes, I feel comfortable with that idea.  I won't install it unless he needs it.  That will be my approach.

Thank you, murraymint.  ;)

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 29, 2016, 08:34:05 pm
Hi perknh, why not install Flash and then install a Flash blocker plugin.  That way Flash will be available but disabled.  If it's needed for example in YouTube or for the BBC iPlayer, an icon will appear on the screen inviting you to click to view/listen.  When the video or whatever is finished or closed, Flash is disabled again automatically.  This is what I do  ;).
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 29, 2016, 08:35:02 pm
it's also what I do :)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 08:55:25 pm
Hello, AndyInMokum and PCNetSpec,

Okay, I never knew you could have an on and off switch for Flash.  Now, believe it or not, I've got Firefox installed on MY computer.

So, would I run?

sudo apt-get install flash  EDIT: Bad Command:  It doesn't work.

to install Flash.

And, then, is there a particular plugin you'd recommend to disable Flash?

And, what about updates for Flash?  Any luck that they could be automatic?

Sorry for all the questions.  But maybe my friend can end up having his cake and eating it too if I play this one right. ;D

@murraymint:  We've got some new ideas to entertain here!  :)

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 29, 2016, 09:11:54 pm
Hello, AndyInMokum and PCNetSpec,

Okay, I never knew you could have an on and off switch for Flash.  Now, believe it or not, I've got Firefox installed on MY computer.

So, would I run?

Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install flash

to install Flash.

And, then, is there a particular plugin you'd recommend to disable Flash?

And, what about updates for Flash?  Any luck that they could be automatic?

Sorry for all the questions.  But maybe my friend can end up having his cake and eating it too if I play this one right. ;D

@murraymint:  We've got some new ideas to entertain here!  :)

Thank you,

perknh
Yeah, that's the command, Flash will get automatic updates, at least it should.  I just use the Flashblock plugin.  In the Flashbock preferences, you might want to uncheck the disable HTML5 video.  That way, these will automatically start.   There are other Flash blocking plugins too.  Have a play around.   I find it a great solution  ;).
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 29, 2016, 09:17:32 pm
Hi AndyInMokum,

This sounds good to me.  I'll install Flash and Flashblock, and then I'll see how this goes.

Thank you.

perknh

P.S.

Maybe I didn't do something right here:

I'm not sure what commands I should use.  Playing around I got this:

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
perknh@peppermint ~ $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Package flashplugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  adobe-flashplugin:i386 adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-installer:i386
  flashplugin-installer

E: Package 'flashplugin' has no installation candidate
[close]
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 29, 2016, 10:34:40 pm
If I remember rightly there's a third-party version of the plug-in that gets Flash from chrome and puts it into Firefox. You don't have to install chrome.

Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer

if you want to try it.

Actually I've no idea if this works on 32-bit. Sorry if it's a wild-goose chase...

Go to Tools menu, Add-ons and put Flashblock into the search field. I use NoScript but it doesn't seem to be available any more.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: Alex on April 29, 2016, 11:26:45 pm
Try:

Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get purge pepperflashplugin-nonfree && sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree

If doesn't update, try another browser like Opera.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 30, 2016, 03:14:56 am
Hi AndyInMokum,

This sounds good to me.  I'll install Flash and Flashblock, and then I'll see how this goes.

Thank you.

perknh

P.S.

Maybe I didn't do something right here:

I'm not sure what commands I should use.  Playing around I got this:

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
perknh@peppermint ~ $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Package flashplugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  adobe-flashplugin:i386 adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-installer:i386
  flashplugin-installer

E: Package 'flashplugin' has no installation candidate
[close]
No, you install the plugins from Firefox's internal settings.  Navigate from the hamburger icon on the top right hand side of the browser to: Add-ons > Get Add-ons.  Type Flashblock in the search window.  The available plug-ins will be presented  ;).

Edit: Flashblock Plus is a nice one.  You get a nice little icon in the browser that you can access all your preferences.  I just checked it out on the BBC iPlayer Radio and it works perfectly.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: GNULINUX on April 30, 2016, 05:37:52 am
You don't really need Flashblock to achieve that result...  ;)

Go into your browser settings and set flash to click to play/ask to activate. Google Chrome, Chromium and Firefox all have these or similar settings available! All my browsers are setup in this manner.

Example: Set Adobe Flash to "click to play" on Firefox (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/set-adobe-flash-click-play-firefox)

Hope this helps!  ;)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 30, 2016, 06:58:33 am
Good morning, Peppermint!

Let me just say from the start, you're all better men than me.  How you guys navigate this labyrinth of Firefox and Flash I will never understand.  And, secondly, why in the world we would even want Flash, especially with all the video-based advertisements out there, and the risks involved when running Flash, I will never understand that either. 

But, for a starter, am I right about these things?  We're working with Shockwave Flash here, and Adobe no longer supports Firefox, and there will be no automatic updates?  Am I understanding these things correctly?

If I am, I should just install Flash Block, and the sooner the better --issue solved!  Or are we talking about another kind of Flash here.  One that I know little or nothing about?

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 30, 2016, 07:33:57 am
If you're not bothering installing flasplugin-installer (flashplayer for firefox) then there's no need for flashblock

personally I *do* have flashplugin-installer, but I stop flash from being loaded with flashblock .. it allows a more fine grained approach than the browsers flash 'switch' (which is more on/off for the whole page), flashblock blocks individual flash elements on a page from loading unless you click on them, so you can choose to say watch a flash video without allowing the flash adverts on the same page.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 30, 2016, 07:58:16 am

But, for a starter, am I right about these things?  We're working with Shockwave Flash here, and Adobe no longer supports Firefox, and there will be no automatic updates?  Am I understanding these things correctly?


No. It's not officially supported, it's a Linux workaround. It WILL be updated as normal with your other packages.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 30, 2016, 11:52:44 am
I just use the Flashblock plugin.  In the Flashbock preferences, you might want to uncheck the disable HTML5 video.  That way, these will automatically start.   There are other Flash blocking plugins too.  Have a play around.   I find it a great solution  ;).

Hi AndyInMokum,

I installed Flashblock (American version), but for whatever reason, I was not able to open or configure it.  After that I found an extension called Flash Control, and it has this list: 

Disable Flash Control
Block Adobe Flash (Checked by default)
Block HTML5 Video (I unchecked this)
Block HTML5 Audio (Question mark ?  Don't know what to do about this one.)
Block Hidden HTML5 Audio
Override Ajax Anchor [1]
 ([1] Applicable ONLY to Youtube and Hulu. (I don't know what this means.)

I think I'm good here, though.  Thank you!  :) 

If you're not bothering installing flasplugin-installer (flashplayer for firefox) then there's no need for flashblock

personally I *do* have flashing-installer, but I stop flash from being loaded with flashblock .. it allows a more fine grained approach than the browsers flash 'switch' (which is more on/off for the whole page), flashblock blocks individual flash elements on a page from loading unless you click on them, so you can choose to say watch a flash video without allowing the flash adverts on the same page.

Maybe because I had enabled Canonical Partners, I found I had flashplugin-installer already installed --thank goodness!  As I had mentioned to Andy above, I could not open Flash Block or configure it at all --said something about being an American version.

I've enabled  HTML5 video.  I believe that HTML5 is a safe and secure technology and that all HTML5 formats can be enabled.


No. It's not officially supported, it's a Linux workaround. It WILL be updated as normal with your other packages.


I found a place in Firefox where I can check a box and have add-ons updated automatically.  And it might have be already checked by default, I don't recall.


Thank you, everyone within this thread, for your help, suggestions, and insights here.  That was an adventure.  But, I'll still be even happier when Flash goes away for good.  It's a real PITA --if you know what I mean! *  ;)

perknh

* I mean "Plug in the Answer", or course!  ;D
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 30, 2016, 06:39:24 pm
It looks like you're hot to trot  ;).  I'd enable anything HTML5.  The HTML5 audio option, I guess is for sites like, the BBC iPlayer Radio.   Hopefully, sites like this will start being responsible and drop Flash soon.  Unfortunately, persuading people and corporations to quit using Flash, is harder than weaning a junkie off heroin.  There's no logical reason for it's continued use.  It's an unwanted imposition that's long overdue retirement  ;).
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 30, 2016, 06:54:18 pm
Andy, incidentally I discovered that you can listen to live BBC radio in VLC. You can just open it, press Play and put the link into the Network tab.

http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 30, 2016, 07:18:07 pm
Andy, incidentally I discovered that you can listen to live BBC radio in VLC. You can just open it, press Play and put the link into the Network tab.

http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp
You know what, I've never looked into these VLC functions.  It's always been something I'm going to do.  I'll now have to look into this.  This is very interesting, thanks for the link  ;).
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 30, 2016, 07:51:31 pm
This has been an interesting thread.  I haven't made a commitment to Firefox myself yet (That's a big leap for me.),  but I am discovering its virtues.  I wonder if I'll be able to get BBC on this side of the Big Pond.  I suppose it wouldn't surprise you guys to learn that I'm a dedicated Public Radio listener myself --New Hampshire Radio and National Public Radio M-F, and the show On the Media on Sundays!  ;)

Also I never even knew there was such a thing as Hidden HTML5 Audio until today.  I'll search our Peppermint DDG about that one really soon.

Now my friend's Peppermint 6 installation will have Flash when he needs it, but without much of the mischief Flash can cause.  I really appreciate all of the help I got here.

Thank you. 

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 30, 2016, 08:02:17 pm
Andy, incidentally I discovered that you can listen to live BBC radio in VLC. You can just open it, press Play and put the link into the Network tab.

http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp
You know what, I've never looked into these VLC functions.  It's always been something I'm going to do.  I'll now have to look into this.  This is very interesting, thanks for the link  ;).
It also works really well using Clementine.  I have to use a UK VPN.  However, that's not an issue.  It's streaming 128k stereo without a hitch and the sound quality is top notch thanks to the Clementine Audio Player.  The 320k stereo is a bit choppy.  That's due to my ISP though.  Curse KPN, they suck with their throttling.  Thanks for the inspiration  ;).
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: murraymint on April 30, 2016, 08:23:05 pm
It also works really well using Clementine.  I have to use a UK VPN.  However, that's not an issue.  It's streaming 128k stereo without a hitch and the sound quality is top notch thanks to the Clementine Audio Player.  The 320k stereo is a bit choppy.  That's due to my ISP though.  Curse KPN, they suck with their throttling.  Thanks for the inspiration  ;).

I don't have to use a VPN in Poland, however when the football commentary comes on I get cut off with a looped message about "rights reasons".
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 30, 2016, 08:25:36 pm
This has been an interesting thread.  I haven't made a commitment to Firefox myself yet (That's a big leap for me.),  but I am discovering its virtues.  I wonder if I'll be able to get BBC on this side of the Big Pond.  I suppose it wouldn't surprise you guys to learn that I'm a dedicated Public Radio listener myself --New Hampshire Radio and National Public Radio M-F, and the show On the Media on Sundays!  ;)

Also I never even knew there was such a thing as Hidden HTML5 Audio until today.  I'll search our Peppermint DDG about that one really soon.

Now my friend's Peppermint 6 installation will have Flash when he needs it, but without much of the mischief Flash can cause.  I really appreciate all of the help I got here.

Thank you. 

perknh
If you're just listening to the radio, you'll be able to use the, BBC iPlayer Radio as there's no restrictions: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio),  If you want to view TV shows, you'll need to use a UK proxy server or a UK VPN.  You should also have a UK TV License: http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/ (http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/).  This is the way the BBC is funded - supposedly  :-X.  Naturally, because you live abroad, the cheque is held up in the post >:D!!
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on April 30, 2016, 09:39:27 pm
This is the way the BBC is funded - supposedly  :-X.  Naturally, because you live abroad, the cheque is held up in the post >:D!!

I hear you, Andy.  The checks only go in one direction around here anyway, and that's outbound.  ;D

But, yes, you are right, I do get BBC radio.  And thank you for these other links:  These are great!

Oh, by the way, Flash Control is better in Firefox than in Chromium.  There are more options.

Wish I could get rid of the system title bar and borders in Firefox, as well as widen and darken the font on the bookmarks bar.  I have to admit, Firefox does have a lot going for it.

perknh
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 30, 2016, 11:21:14 pm
Wish I could get rid of the system title bar and borders in Firefox, as well as widen and darken the font on the bookmarks bar.  I have to admit, Firefox does have a lot going for it.

Not quite sure what you mean by "borders", but if you want some extra screen real-estate in Firefox, here's 2 addons for you

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/hide-caption-titlebar-plus-sma/
or for Americans
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hide-caption-titlebar-plus-sma/

and

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/bookmark-autohider/
or for Americans
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bookmark-autohider/

The results...

(click image to enlarge)
(https://i.imgur.com/xUU9uRH.png)

That's about the same size as Chrome at thee top (without the bookmarks bar) .. and if you keep the bookmarks bar in both, Firefox bookmarks bar is thinner than Chromes.
You don't loose the menu's either .. that's what that "Firefox" buttons for :)

There's a jazzilion addons and themes for Firefox .. WAY more than Chrome.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: VinDSL on May 01, 2016, 03:03:46 pm
There's a jazzilion addons and themes for Firefox .. WAY more than Chrome.

Heh !  Seems like we've always had the same predilection for dark themes    ;D

And, you're right !  Not only are there a jazzillion addons for Fx, but many of them are unique - the DTA download manager and ability to run tabs on the bottom come to mind.  It just requires some discovery time, finding out what works for you, and what doesn't.

IMO, almost everything in Fx needs to be scaled, e.g. everything appears too large by default.  It's as if Fx is designed for the visually impaired, but that's probably just me.

Anyway, here's how I roll with Fx ...


(http://vindsl.com/images/2016-05-01-11:26:30--scrot.png)


(http://vindsl.com/images/2016-05-01-11:26:53--scrot.png)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: Alex on May 01, 2016, 03:13:38 pm
Hi, VinDsl.
You use a lot of addons. One or two addons are enough. Ublock origin is better than Adblock Plus.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: VinDSL on May 01, 2016, 03:37:38 pm
Ublock origin is better than Adblock Plus.

Hi Alex

Thanks !  I'm a Chromium fanboi, sooo ...

I use Fx for testing purposes mostly, and for the occasional critical HTTP download. 

Thunderbird is still a joy though.   :)
Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: perknh on May 01, 2016, 07:19:08 pm
Not quite sure what you mean by "borders", but if you want some extra screen real-estate in Firefox, here's 2 addons for you...

There's a jazzilion addons and themes for Firefox .. WAY more than Chrome.

This has been a bit an eyeopener for me.  First of all, CBS News, believe it or not, still uses Flash.  But I've never been able to get CBS News to work for me in Chromium no matter what, but in Firefox, even with security add-ons (Flashblock and Privacy Badger), CBS News comes to life for me.  And, for me, this is a significant discovery.  This CBS News enigma intrigues me.  Why, on my computer at least, do the CBS News videos play in Firefox, but not in Chromium?  Did I block some precious little cookie way back when in Chromium, but now have no idea which one it might be?  I don't know.  I'll reality test this cookie theory of mine by unsyncing my Google account to see what happens.  So much for that theory, I've blocked nothing other than third-party cookies and site data, and unchecking that box, logging out and then logging back in, does not make any difference at all  I get no CBS News in Chromium. * :-\

Also, Flash Control, that works fine on my computer seems to slow things to a crawl, in Firefox, on my friend's computer.  I put standard Flashblock on his computer today, and it's working much better.  Also, Flashblock works today in Firefox on my computer too.  I must have experienced a bad installation yesterday --nothing more than that.  :)

@PCNetSpec

Yes, your link helped with the boarder problem I had mentioned.  I just copied and pasted that phrase 'title bar and boarders' from Chromium browser:

Under Settings > Appearance > Use system title bar and boarders --that's all I meant by that.  I don't really know what Chromium/Chrome means by "boarders" either.  The phrase "system title bar" seems sufficient to me.

Yes, there are a jazzilion add-ons in Firefox.  I'm impressed with the selection.  Many of these cannot be found in Chrome's store, so I see.

@VInDSL  I have have to scale nearly everything up site by site in Firefox, but after a while, I've scaled up pretty much everything I need.


* I know this makes little sense, I can get CBS News in Opera.

Title: Re: Updating Pepperflash After Fresh Installaion [SOLVED]
Post by: PCNetSpec on May 02, 2016, 03:34:25 pm
One or two addons are enough.

Huh  ???

I use about 15 .. that's "enough" for me .. but it may be too many or not enough for someone else