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Title: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: Capivara on February 06, 2016, 08:35:44 am
I wrote a review of Peppermint 6 for the February issue of DKARS Magazine, a free ham radio magazine. It has reasonable reader base (+/- 5000 downloads / month) and is partly written in English, partly in Dutch.  The review might not be in-depth in the eyes of the many Peppermint aficionados here, but please keep in mind that this magazine is for radio amateurs, not computer-crazy people :) Yet ham radio and computers are interlinked these days, and distros with a small footprint are in high demand.

http://downloads.dkars.nl/DKARS%20Magazine%20201602.pdf

Review starting at page 15.

Hans
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 06, 2016, 09:01:05 am
Great little review covering everything necessary for a non (Linux) technical review .. thanks for that, much appreciated :)

If there's any feedback from the review please let us know.

Thanks again Capivara.
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: GNULINUX on February 06, 2016, 10:58:42 am
Erg goed artikel, ook visueel dik in orde dankzij de screenshots!  8)

Groeten!
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 06, 2016, 11:02:40 am
baQa', jImejbej DaH google mugh ::)
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: 10i on February 06, 2016, 11:02:42 am
Baie dankie vir die goeie artikel.

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Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: 10i on February 06, 2016, 11:03:41 am
$%^& .. now I need to go to Google translate ::)
Being Afrikaans, I can read and understand about 90% of what I read in Dutch ;)

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Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: GNULINUX on February 06, 2016, 11:21:07 am
$%^& .. now I need to go to Google translate ::)
baQa', DaH vay' google Sumqu' mugh ::)
:D
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: VinDSL on February 06, 2016, 11:41:12 am
[...] this magazine is for radio amateurs, not computer-crazy people :)  [...]

Sometimes they're synonymous ...  :D

73 de VinDSL, N7XVK (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/ham/callsign/N7XVK)
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: Capivara on February 06, 2016, 12:05:02 pm
[...] this magazine is for radio amateurs, not computer-crazy people :)  [...]

Sometimes they're synonymous ...  :D

73 de VinDSL, N7XVK (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/ham/callsign/N7XVK)

Ha! Excellent!

Hans
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: Slim.Fatz on February 07, 2016, 12:18:58 am
Hi Capivara,

I just got around to looking at your excellent article -- and WOW I didn't realize how easy it is to read Dutch ! :D

Most of the other articles must be in some dialect ... I only understood a few things ...  :-X

Well done, Capivara!

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: VinDSL on February 07, 2016, 06:27:41 am
I just got around to looking at your excellent article -- and WOW I didn't realize how easy it is to read Dutch ! :D

Most of the other articles must be in some dialect ... I only understood a few things ...  :-X

I don't know if that was meant as an allegory, such as "it's all Greek to me," but ...

Over the years, on the web, I've always gotten along fabulously with the Dutch.  I have an odd since of humor, and so do they - so, I think it's a matter of understanding one another's mindset.  Whatevs.

Anyway, if I remember correctly, the Dutch ppl don't have a native language, e.g. there is no Dutch language.  AFAIK most of them speak a Flemish dialect, which isn't even taught in schools.  I believe it's passed down from generation to generation by their elders.

I could be wrong about any or all of that, but maybe Hans can set the record straight ...  :)
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: Slim.Fatz on February 07, 2016, 08:00:53 am
Hi VinDSL,

I think you might be thinking about the Belgians ...  :-\

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: GNULINUX on February 07, 2016, 08:50:34 am
LOL  ;D

Some clarification is needed...

In Belgium we have 3 native languages (Dutch, French and German), in contrast with some other countries we all get along pretty well!
I'm a Belgian and my first language is Dutch and that's the same language as they speak in The Netherlands.
Our "Belgian Dutch dialect" is called Flemish and it is in many parts just like Afrikaans...

So the "dialect" you see in the magazine (pdf) isn't a dialect at all, it's Dutch!  ;)
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: VinDSL on February 07, 2016, 08:59:03 am
OMG !!!  I just surfed over to the Wikipedia Dutch Language page (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dutch_language&oldid=703673334) and I'm more confused than ever.   :-\

Under the Popular Misconceptions (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dutch_language&oldid=703673334#Popular_misconceptions) heading it says:

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Dutch is the language of government, education, and daily life in Flanders, the northern part of Belgium. There is no officially recognized language called "Flemish", and both the Dutch and Belgian governments adhere to the standard Dutch (Algemeen Nederlands) defined by the Nederlandse Taalunie ("Dutch Language Union").

The actual differences between the spoken standard language of Dutch and Belgian speakers are comparable to the differences between American and British English or the German spoken in Germany and Austria [...]

Is that true ?
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: GNULINUX on February 07, 2016, 09:03:38 am
Yes, see my reply just before you posted!  ;)
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: VinDSL on February 07, 2016, 09:24:52 am
Yes, see my reply just before you posted!  ;)

I guess that's the downfall of CW.  It requires a skilled listener ...

Dah-dah dah-dah-dah di-dah-dit di-di-dit dit, Dah-di-dah-dit dah-dah-dah dah-di-dit dit.    ;D
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: AndyInMokum on February 07, 2016, 10:25:39 am
OMG !!!  I just surfed over to the Wikipedia Dutch Language page (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dutch_language&oldid=703673334) and I'm more confused than ever.   :-\

Under the Popular Misconceptions (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dutch_language&oldid=703673334#Popular_misconceptions) heading it says:

Quote
Dutch is the language of government, education, and daily life in Flanders, the northern part of Belgium. There is no officially recognized language called "Flemish", and both the Dutch and Belgian governments adhere to the standard Dutch (Algemeen Nederlands) defined by the Nederlandse Taalunie ("Dutch Language Union").

The actual differences between the spoken standard language of Dutch and Belgian speakers are comparable to the differences between American and British English or the German spoken in Germany and Austria [...]

Is that true ?
Yeah, that's true.  The Belgian Dutch, (Flemish, Vlaams) is much softer and some of the spellings are different.  There are also minor grammatical differences.  If you go to Limburg in the deep south of The Netherlands.   They speak a regional language called Limburgs.  It a mixture of old Dutch, Low German and French.   Even the road signs are in both Dutch and Limburgs.   There is another regional language in the north of the country called, Drents.  This is a strange Low Saxon language.  It's very old.  There are different dialects of this too.  Limburgs and Drents are official minority languages.  In The province of Friesland, ( Fryslân) and parts of Groningen the Frisian language is still spoken.  English is very closely related to Frisian.  Are you confused yet because if you aren't, you should be ;D?
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: Capivara on February 07, 2016, 11:03:08 am
I guess that's the downfall of CW.  It requires a skilled listener ...

Dah-dah dah-dah-dah di-dah-dit di-di-dit dit, Dah-di-dah-dit dah-dah-dah dah-di-dit dit.    ;D

Even worse: CW stands for Continuous Wave - and in reality it's anything but continuous :) As a joke we suggested to replace CW with ICC (Interrupted Carrier Communication).
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: Slim.Fatz on February 07, 2016, 11:55:22 am
So the "dialect" you see in the magazine (pdf) isn't a dialect at all, it's Dutch!  ;)

I stand by my statement: it is a dialect (although I was actually just trying to make a joke). According to the definition of a dialect, it is:

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a variety of a language that is distinguished from other varieties of the same language by features of phonology, grammar, and vocabulary, and by its use by a group of speakers who are set off from others geographically or socially.

or

Quote
a provincial, rural, or socially distinct variety of a language that differs from the standard language, especially when considered as substandard.

(both according to dictionary.reference.com). So ... who really cares? As long as we all get along with each other -- I'm happy !!  ;)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: GNULINUX on February 08, 2016, 01:36:59 am
@ Slim.Fatz (http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php?action=profile;u=30): I have to disagree on that...  :P
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Dutch language, spoken in the Netherlands, Belgium, Aruba, Curaçao, Sint Maarten, and Suriname (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch)
Dutch is a West Germanic language that is spoken in the European Union by about 23 million people as a first language—including most of the population of the Netherlands and about sixty percent of that of Belgium—and by another 5 million as a second language.
Read this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language) and see this map (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Map_Dutch_World_scris.png) for Dutch speaking people.

I've got irrefutable proof that Dutch is a language and not a dialect...
Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
[close]

 :D :P
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: AndyInMokum on February 08, 2016, 01:56:07 am
Come on guys, I thought everyone knew that German is just an obscure Dutch dialect  :D!!
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: Slim.Fatz on February 08, 2016, 05:03:56 am
Slow down, guys!

I never did say that Dutch was a dialect. I was replying to VinDSL and what he said about Flemish -- it is not a language but a dialect. I guess that wasn't clear in my reply ... especially since I wrote my reply without reading all of the postings in between  :-[

Now I guess that I will get hammered by the Flemish speakers who will be claiming language rights and saying that Dutch and German are all Flemish dialects!  :D Although we all know in our hearts that Frisian is the Mother of all languages! 8)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: AndyInMokum on February 08, 2016, 05:50:35 am
Slow down, guys!

I never did say that Dutch was a dialect. I was replying to VinDSL and what he said about Flemish -- it is not a language but a dialect. I guess that wasn't clear in my reply ... especially since I wrote my reply without reading all of the postings in between  :-[

Now I guess that I will get hammered by the Flemish speakers who will be claiming language rights and saying that Dutch and German are all Flemish dialects!  :D Although we all know in our hearts that Frisian is the Mother of all languages! 8)

Regards,

-- Slim
You're right there, Frisian is the true mother tongue of the Western Germanics.  It's the closest to English for sure  ;).
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 08, 2016, 06:48:43 am
50 years from now English will be considered a regional Chinese dialect .. so who cares ;)
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: AndyInMokum on February 08, 2016, 06:53:39 am
50 years from now English will be considered a regional Chinese dialect .. so who cares ;)
LOL ;D!!
Title: Re: Review in ham radio magazine
Post by: GNULINUX on February 08, 2016, 06:55:16 am
I guess that wasn't clear in my reply ... especially since I wrote my reply without reading all of the postings in between  :-[

No problem!  :-*
It just sounded as if Flemish people didn't have/speak any real language!  :o

PS: Damn, I've completely derailed this topic by posting in Flemish Dutch...