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General => Hardware => Topic started by: Razznak on January 09, 2016, 08:46:08 pm

Title: New Purchases
Post by: Razznak on January 09, 2016, 08:46:08 pm
In the next few years I'm going to require a new laptop, and have decided PeppermintOS will continue to suit my needs. This will be a pure PMOS machine (as my gaming-dedicated desktop has Windows) so I have been looking for a service that sells laptops without an OS. This should take around $100 off the price in theory, but my trouble comes in finding such a service.

My question to you, my friends, is where do you purchase your hardware? Do you have any reputable sites that you refuse to stray from? Are Ebay-like deals the best to look for an OS-less laptop?


Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 09, 2016, 09:58:41 pm
Are Ebay-like deals the best to look for an OS-less laptop?

I routinely buy my laptops on Fleabay, not only without an OS, but preferably without a drive - then, take them apart and retro-fit them with the parts I want.  Dells are great for this sort of thing, and NIB OEM parts go for pennies on the wholesale dollar, too.

The business laptop that I lug around (http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3_notebooks_dell_ATG630.html) retailed for $4000-ish when new.  I bought it on Fleabay for around $200.  After I preformed the mods - dual batteries, SSD, 4GB RAM, Peppermint OS, et cetera, I probably have less than $400 invested in it.  It's built like a tank (MIL-STD-810G), flies like the wind, and lasts all day on a charge.

Just be sure to take your time, do your research, and pick a reputable seller, before pulling the trigger.

Happy hunting...  :)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: Razznak on January 09, 2016, 10:04:33 pm
Fleabay is a new resource for me! Thanks!  8)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 10, 2016, 04:56:32 am
so I have been looking for a service that sells laptops without an OS. This should take around $100 off the price in theory

Well you'd think so wouldn't you .. problem is the stores seem to charge the same with or without Windows, just increasing their profit margins on the non-Windows machines ::)

There used to be a scheme where you could get the money back for the Windows installation if you refused to accept the license conditions (EULA) that were presented when you first turned on the PC, this was stated in the Windows EULA .. dunno if this still applies, nor do I know if it was just a European thing.

I gather the EULA no longer states you can claim back for Windows, it now states

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By accepting this agreement or using the software, you agree to all of these terms and consent to the transmission of certain information during activation and for Internet-based features of the software. If you do not accept and comply with these terms, you may not use the software or features.
Instead, you may contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy and return the software or computer for a refund or credit under that policy. You must comply with that policy, which might require you to return the software with the entire computer on which the software is installed for a refund.
http://www.eightforums.com/general-support/10837-windows-8-eula.html#post129482

That said, I doubt the manufacturer will want the whole PC returned, so you may get something out of them...

Obviously the above ONLY applies to new PC's .. once you accept the EUAL you cannot change your mind.



See here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Windows#License_refund_policy

This is old, but amusing
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7040
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: 10i on January 10, 2016, 05:20:47 am
In South Africa a laptop without Windows preinstalled cost more than a laptop with Windows.

Go figure.

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Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: Slim.Fatz on January 10, 2016, 05:35:13 am
In South Africa a laptop without Windows preinstalled cost more than a laptop with Windows.

Go figure.


Hi 10i,


My guess is that M$ is paying subsidies to keep the price down and encourage purchases.  >:(


Regards,


-- Slim

Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 10, 2016, 06:00:37 am
My guess is that M$ is paying subsidies to keep the price down and encourage purchases.  >:(

Sorry Slim, but I seriously doubt Microsoft would subsidise the hardware manufacturers at their own cost.

It's simply the shops are charging you for REMOVING Windows from PC's that came with it pre-installed.
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: emegra on January 10, 2016, 06:04:54 am
If I'm not mistaken most PC/Laptop manufacturers such as Dell offset the cost of the Windows license by installing crapware like Norton or Mcafee or even a 30 day trial of MS Office etc so it makes no difference cost wise to the consumer whether it comes with Windows preinstalled or not in fact it could be the case that Dell make money preinstalling Windows even if they give it away for free



Graeme
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 10, 2016, 08:14:24 am
Though true, non of that makes any difference from your standpoint (or the law as based on the Microsoft EULA)  if you refuse to accept the EULA .. you're not going to be able to run the bloatware anyway  ;)

They could theoretically make you send back the whole PC, but they'd then need to re-image the drive, repackage, and re-ship to the next buyer (or offer it at a discount) .. I'd guess this would cost them more than just making you some kind of Windows tax refund offer, but who knows (I've never personally tried it)  :-\
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 10, 2016, 09:10:44 am
I don't know where the OP is located, or how comfortable he is with buying used electronics on Fleabay, but ...

I've bought refurbs online from these folks before:   http://arrowdirect.com/

They're a real company with real employees in a real building, with a real toll-free number, blah, blah, blah.

I've had a good experience over there.  Just pay close attention to the grading system (product condition). 

Personally, I always filter the results on 'A Grade' cosmetics - but, that's just me.   :)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: Razznak on January 10, 2016, 09:59:37 am
I don't know where the OP is located, or how comfortable he is with buying used electronics on Fleabay, but ...

I've bought refurbs online from these folks before:   http://arrowdirect.com/

They're a real company with real employees in a real building, with a real toll-free number, blah, blah, blah.

I've had a good experience over there.  Just pay close attention to the grading system (product condition). 

Personally, I always filter the results on 'A Grade' cosmetics - but, that's just me.   :)
I'm in the Western United States. I have a healthy amount of frugality and thus will be looking for the best purchase. If it takes watching Fleabay or Arrowdirect for that purchase, it may come down to that.

It seems silly that you wouldn't save money on going with a free OS. Windoze really does have this business(slavery) locked down.
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 10, 2016, 10:05:05 am
I must say I've also now taken to buying refurbs (Argos UK) .. heck you get the same guarantee anyway and they're only PC's either returned with a problem that gets fixed by an authorised agent, or simply online purchases where the've changed their minds and taken advantage of the 30 day cooling off laws that govern "distance selling" in the UK where they have to give you a full refund for ANY reason if you decide you don't want it.

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Windoze really does have this business(slavery) locked down.

Agreed, but they're slowly loosing their grip on OEM's .. more and more they're starting to at least offer Linux as an alternative (even if it doesn't currently save you money .. I guess that's fair whilst they get Linux support in place.
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: Razznak on January 10, 2016, 10:25:41 am
I've bought refurbs online from these folks before:   http://arrowdirect.com/

So Fleabay doesn't seem to be working properly, almost every input I give returns 404. Arrowdirect on the otherhand is quite a handsome site.  :)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 10, 2016, 11:18:21 am
I must say I've also now taken to buying refurbs (Argos UK) ..

Can't beat refurbs, IMO !

Example:  Let's say I was desperate for a laptop and didn't want to watch Fleabay for a month, hoping to run across a 'killer deal'.  I won't lug around anything with a display bigger than 14".  They won't fit properly on an airplane snack tray, or nestle nicely on your lap, sitting in a concourse.  I don't want ppl looking over my shoulder in meetings, reading what I'm typing.  And, I need something that fits in a hotel room safe, and so forth, and so on.  Intel i5 processors seem to work very nicely, soooo ...

I'd go over to ArrowDirect and buy one of these, and be done with it:  http://arrowdirect.com/dell-latitude-e6430-2-90ghz-intel-core-i5-gen3-320gb-4096mb.html

How can you go wrong ?   A $900 dollar (retail) Grade A Dell Latitude for $297 ...  Hell, I spend more than that per night on hotel rooms, when I'm on the trot.  And, I don't have to worry about scratching my new baby.  Somebody has already done it for me.   LoL  :D

https://youtu.be/PIW6QLT8ZAI
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 10, 2016, 01:45:11 pm
I'm impressed, VinDSL --that's a nice little portable computer. ;)

My concern, VinDSL, is with it being 32-bit.  Isn't Ubuntu, and therefore Peppermint, moving away from 32-bit?  Aren't we all moving into a 64-bit world?

I'm going to bid for a Toshiba 2 used Chromebook today, but I'm not holding my breath on winning this auction.  Lots of bidders have their eyes on this particular "used" Chromebook.  And, I still have my eyes on a HP 15" HP (the Red Flyer from Walmart), but, you're right, 15" is somewhat of a hassle to tote around.  And, yes, I could see a 15" laptop becoming a real pain in the tuchus traveling on a plane. (Every inch of luggage matters on a plane.)

I, too, am not adverse to purchasing refurbished or used.  I've got burned only once with one refurbished purchase from Walmart online --a Straight Talk Home Phone with extremely poor sound quality, as well as missing a bottom pad or foot.  Fortunately, I found a sympathetic clerk in a brick and mortar store who refunded my money.

Interesting thread!

perknh
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 10, 2016, 01:57:01 pm
I'm impressed, VinDSL --that's a nice little portable computer. ;)

My concern, VinDSL, is with it being 32-bit.  Isn't Ubuntu, and therefore Peppermint, moving away from 32-bit?  Aren't we all moving into a 64-bit world?

Dell Latitudes rawk !

I picked that randomly, as an example.  It's a 64-bit notebook, but they're tossing in winders 7 pro 32-bit for *free* - that's all.

The larger point is, unless you're on a budget, e.g. buying it on someone else's dime, I can't see spending 3x the amount on a new machine.   ;)

Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 10, 2016, 02:13:25 pm
Thanks, VinDSL.

The larger point is, unless you're on a budget, e.g. buying it on someone else's dime, I can't see spending 3x the amount on a new machine.   ;)

No, I can't either. ;)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: murraymint on January 10, 2016, 02:26:47 pm
I've bought refurbs online from these folks before:   http://arrowdirect.com/

So Fleabay doesn't seem to be working properly, almost every input I give returns 404. Arrowdirect on the otherhand is quite a handsome site.  :)

I think what's meant is ebay.com
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 10, 2016, 02:31:18 pm
OMG !  There's actually a Fleabay ?!?!?   :o

Guess I'll need to quit using that nick ...   8)

Epic !!!
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: Razznak on January 10, 2016, 02:58:03 pm
OMG !  There's actually a Fleabay ?!?!?   :o

Guess I'll need to quit using that nick ...   8)

Epic !!!
Oh! You meant eBay!  :D That's great.
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 11, 2016, 07:24:37 am


Dell Latitudes rawk !

I picked that randomly, as an example.  It's a 64-bit notebook, but they're tossing in winders 7 pro 32-bit for *free* - that's all.

The larger point is, unless you're on a budget, e.g. buying it on someone else's dime, I can't see spending 3x the amount on a new machine.   ;)

Another Dell I found today is called the Dell XPS w/ a 13.3 inch screen and an 128 GB SSD, but boy are they ridiculously overpriced (around $1,100-$1,400 at Staples)  But they are perfectly sized (and very lightweight too) for traveling and going about your business. ;)

I was positioned to win the Toshiba Chromebook last night, but, at the end of the auction. I didn't click to buy.  There are as many things I don't like about Chromebooks as I do like about a Chromebooks.  I believe that's why I pulled the plug at the end.  I'd like the ability fo boot from a flash drive, and I don't like all the work it takes just to set up and run Ubuntu .  Right off the bat, those are two things I don't like about Chromebooks. 

I guess it's safe to say that I'm still in the market --looking! 
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: josephd on January 11, 2016, 09:06:32 pm
Give System76 a look. You won't save any money but their laptops work great with all the distros I've tried except the Free Software Foundation endorsed ones that don't look kindly on intel wifi and others that don't allow for proprietary software blobs in the kernel.

https://system76.com/

I own a 2012 Lemur Ultra and it's great. The bodies tend to be generic from a Taiwan supplier and they assemble the internal hardware to order. This means it will take about 4+ weeks to receive.

I can tell you that my Lemur Ultra still runs great the only limitation is the Intel graphics and the 720p screen of that model.
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: Razznak on January 11, 2016, 10:11:59 pm
Give System76 a look. You won't save any money but their laptops work great with all the distros I've tried except the Free Software Foundation endorsed ones that don't look kindly on intel wifi and others that don't allow for proprietary software blobs in the kernel.

https://system76.com/

I own a 2012 Lemur Ultra and it's great. The bodies tend to be generic from a Taiwan supplier and they assemble the internal hardware to order. This means it will take about 4+ weeks to receive.

I can tell you that my Lemur Ultra still runs great the only limitation is the Intel graphics and the 720p screen of that model.
Thanks! I'll add it to my list.  ;)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 12, 2016, 03:25:16 am
Another Dell I found today is called the Dell XPS w/ a 13.3 inch screen [...]

I'd love to own a Dell XPS. 

12"-13" laptops/notebooks have always been my favorite display size - but they're usually hideously expensive.  I never have figured out exactly why that is.

I *guess* it's because they're made for a niche market - mostly high-end business class users and software developers...   :-\
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 12, 2016, 04:22:40 am
Dell Latitudes rawk !I

Here's a Dell Latitude source.  They're 32-bit and w/o webcams, but the seller stands solidly behind his products.  He believes these Dell Latitudes are some of the best computers on the market.

http://stores.ebay.com/KYMAN1530/_i.html?LH_SaleItems=1&_armrs=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=30&_sasi=1&_sop=1&_vc=1 (http://stores.ebay.com/KYMAN1530/_i.html?LH_SaleItems=1&_armrs=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=30&_sasi=1&_sop=1&_vc=1)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 12, 2016, 05:24:49 am
What makes you say they're 32bit ?

They may only have 32bit Windows/Linux installed, but it's been many years since anyone made a 32bit only CPU (a few netbook atom processors aside).
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 12, 2016, 05:51:43 am
What makes you say they're 32bit ?

They may only have 32bit Windows/Linux installed, but it's been years since anyone made a 32bit only CPU (a few netbook atom processors aside).

The one I inquired about was 32-bit, thats why he bumped it up fro 2 to 3 GBs of memory.  I wrote him.   He also speeds them up with the SSDs.  I know he has some 64-bit Latitudes too.  He'll even install Ubuntu on those Latitudes that he's selling with Windows --if the purchaser would prefer that.  Of course, we'd be putting Peppermint on of these computers anyway.  But it's nice to see a fellow out there selling Dell Latitudes with Ubuntu pre-installed.  He backs his products up for 3 years too.  I'm certain he's selling solid products if he's willing to do that.

As you know, PCNetSpec, I'm back on my Opera browser kick, and, to the best of my knowledge, the new Opera browser is still only 64-bit.  I even said "No" last night to a $140 mint condition Toshiba Chromebook 2 --because it wouldn't be Peppermint friendly.

I wouldn't mind having one of those Dell 13" XPSes either, but, as VinDSL says, they are "hideously expensive."
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 12, 2016, 06:00:18 am
I'd be pretty confident he's just talking about the pre-installed OS but they should be okay for you to remove the 32bit OS and install 64bit instead .. as I said, nobody's made laptop/desktop CPU's without 64it support for many years.

All the ones I looked at from your link stated core2duo or "i" series CPU's .. ALL "core"and "i" series processors are 64bit, so can run either 32 or 64bit OS's.

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I even said "No" last night to a $140 mint condition Toshiba Chromebook 2 --because it wouldn't be Peppermint friendly.

Everything I'm reading on the web suggests you can install Ubuntu on the Toshiba Chromebook 2, so  why not Peppermint ?
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 12, 2016, 07:50:46 am

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I even said "No" last night to a $140 mint condition Toshiba Chromebook 2 --because it wouldn't be Peppermint friendly.

Everything I'm reading on the web suggests you can install Ubuntu on the Toshiba Chromebook 2, so  why not Peppermint

I've tried and used ChrUbuntu on what was then my, but is now my wife's, Acer C720 Chromebook.  The whole process is set up with a list of Ubuntu flavors you can choose from.  There are no derivatives on that list.  Unity works the best, but the other Ubuntu flavors are functional.  lend27, was somehow able to put Peppermint on a Acer C720 Chromebook, but lend27's technical prowess is way above my pay grade.

http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,2173.msg21083.html#msg21083 (http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,2173.msg21083.html#msg21083)

PCNetSpec, I really don't know how this process would work on a Toshiba 2 Chromebook.  I'd love to be able to remove Chrome OS altogether, and just run Peppermint on one.  By the way, you can't even boot up a flash drive on a Chromebook.  That's how user-unfriendly a Chromebook can be.  And, this is why I'm thinking of buying a small Windows laptop.  I want to remove Windows, and then replace it with Peppermint.


Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: jlschwartz on January 12, 2016, 08:31:43 am
perknh,

I recently purchased a refurbished Dell Latitude 3340 with an i3 processor, 8gb ram and a 128 gb SSD for just under $300 not including tax from the Dell Business Outlet site (Shipping is free) with a one year warranty.  It is just like brand new and really is a very nice machine.  You might want to consider that.   :)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 12, 2016, 08:51:00 am
You CAN boot a USB on a chromebook, otherwise how would you reinstall and what would be the point in backing up to thumbdrive ?

You tried and failed previously, but that doesn't mean it's not possible .. otherwise how is everyone else doing it ? ;)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 12, 2016, 10:13:55 am
You CAN boot a USB on a chromebook, otherwise how would you reinstall and what would be the point in backing up to thumbdrive ?

You tried and failed previously, but that doesn't mean it's not possible .. otherwise how is everyone else doing it ? ;)

Yes, you can with a recovery drive --I've done that!  But, yes, you're right, I can't get any other flash drive to boot with it.  And, from what I've read and seen, this problem is not unique to me.

http://techguylabs.com/episodes/1081/can-my-chromebook-boot-flash-drive (http://techguylabs.com/episodes/1081/can-my-chromebook-boot-flash-drive)

Title: Soooooo tempting ...
Post by: VinDSL on January 15, 2016, 08:26:59 pm
Dell XPS L321X Refurb ($100 Instant Savings) - $789.00

(http://vindsl.com/images/2016-01-15-21:16:23--scrot.png)


Final Price w/Coupon Code (Delivered) - $434.16   ;D

(http://vindsl.com/images/2016-01-15-21:16:55--scrot.png)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 16, 2016, 03:16:22 am
These days I wouldn't buy a PC with less than 8GB RAM, in fact if they're making them for Windows I'd say that's a minimum.

Win10 in 4GB is like when they originally still sold Vista PC's with 512MB, hobbling the PC to save a few pennies, made even more ridiculous by the fact a lot of modern laptops require dismantling to add more RAM because they no longer have removable trap doors ::)

and on a supposedly "high end" XPS......
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 16, 2016, 07:13:22 am
True !  It's just a $400 toy.  Think of it as a high-end EeePC replacement.   ;D


https://youtu.be/t4jIxN5FNpg


If I was going to buy a Dell XPS, I'd bend over the counter and get the real thing, at 4x the price ...

Dell XPS Developer Edition:  http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd

BTW, did I mention the dev version comes pre-loaded with Ubu 14.04 ? { nudge, nudge, wink, wink }   ;)


https://youtu.be/Lo_N354wAOg


Once again, the point is, why pay retail ?!?!?
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: emegra on January 16, 2016, 09:05:59 am
Why does that <removed> have to refer to Linux users as "Geeks"  >:(



Graeme
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 16, 2016, 09:26:13 am
John C. Dvorak is a "Linux Geek" too, so I guess he sees it as a tongue_in_cheek badge of honor.   :-\

Sorta like African American artists calling each other <removed> & <removed> in rap songs, I suppose.

I don't think it was intended as a slam ...
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: emegra on January 16, 2016, 10:30:24 am
Well I don't consider myself a Linux Geek I'm a Linux user who happens to believe in the philosophy of freedom behind it but it seems to me the "Freedom as in speech" thing only applies to those slagging off Linux and its users .

It's not the first time he's done it




Graeme
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 16, 2016, 12:41:49 pm
I've watched John C. Dvorak videos before.  I loathe the way he always refers to Linux users as geeks.  He'd get pretty bent out of shape if comments were left referring to Windows dinosaurs or Mac sheeple.  Quite frankly, his veiled compliments are overshadowed by his flippant and somewhat dismissive delivery, when referring anything Linux.  It's reporting like this that provides nothing positive for the Linux cause. 
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 16, 2016, 01:33:20 pm
Maybe he should stick to simplifying keyboard layouts  ???

Well someone was going to say it ;)

Geek Pride

(http://blog.modis.com/wp-content/uploads/finalgeekpridegif_small.gif)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 16, 2016, 02:31:18 pm
You guys might have a point there ...    :D

Quote
  • People are always looking for the be-all-end-all super perfect Linux. It will never happen until Microsoft does Linux. Oops. Did I say that?
    PC Magazine, "Inside Track", (26 June 2007), p. 1
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 16, 2016, 03:58:25 pm
 ::)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: GNULINUX on January 16, 2016, 04:52:31 pm
 Lindows 11  :D
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 16, 2016, 06:08:21 pm
WTFindows - 16.Oh Four heavens sake :o
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on January 25, 2016, 04:08:18 pm
Soooo tempting !

LINK: http://www.sears.com/lenovo-x130e-core-i3-dual-core-1.4ghz-processor/p-SPM8084506208

These won't last long ...   :)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 25, 2016, 05:29:03 pm
Hi VinDSL,

Thanks for the above post.  I had been on eBay looking for something like this when I discovered your post.

I know this would be only a guess, but do you think that with 1.4 GHz it would move as fast as Chromebook in a Wi-Fi location --such as in some café reading the news?

I could easily picture myself running Peppermint on a notebook computer like that.  And, WOW --what a price! :o

perknh
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 25, 2016, 05:42:26 pm
Soooo tempting !

LINK: http://www.sears.com/lenovo-x130e-core-i3-dual-core-1.4ghz-processor/p-SPM8084506208

These won't last long ...   :)
Wow, it looks like you're right.  The page is no longer available.  Talk about going like hot cakes  :o!!

I just treated myself to this baby: Refurbished Laptop - Dell Latitude E6410 - i5 - Windows 7/10 - Fully Loaded (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=121863650133&view=all&tid=1584630433002).  I think I got a great deal.  I'll ditch the Windows partition.  The wife can have the Windows disk and license.  I'm going to upgrade it to a 512GB SSD and max out the RAM to 8GB.  I think it should go like a rocket.  I want it ready for Peppermint Seven  ;).
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 25, 2016, 06:16:53 pm
Well, my friends, I bought one.  That's the best online deal I've seen yet.  I'm certain Peppermint will work fine on that little machine.

Thank you, VinDSL ;)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 25, 2016, 06:33:57 pm
Well, my friends, I bought one.  That's the best online deal I've seen yet.  I'm certain Peppermint will work fine on that little machine.

Thank you, VinDSL ;)
That's a sweet little machine.  Peppermint will go like a bolt of lighting on it.  I do HIGHLY recommend you replace the HDD with an SSD.  The performance increase and battery savings will be really noticeable.  Plus it makes the machine far more robust.  A well setup and tweaked SSD will last many times longer than a HDD.  Expect at least 10 years plus, even with heavy use  ;).
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 25, 2016, 07:54:29 pm
Hello AndyInMokum,

That's an excellent idea.  My question is, how?  I know anything done at my local computer shop costs a minimum of $100.  I am a mechanical klutz --and that's an understatement!  That said, I've love to learn how to a remove and install a hard drive on a laptop.  An SSD, from what I've read, helps to greatly speed things up on a laptop.

Thank you for the idea,

perknh
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 25, 2016, 11:39:23 pm
Hello AndyInMokum,

That's an excellent idea.  My question is, how?  I know anything done at my local computer shop costs a minimum of $100.  I am a mechanical klutz --and that's an understatement!  That said, I've love to learn how to a remove and install a hard drive on a laptop.  An SSD, from what I've read, helps to greatly speed things up on a laptop.

Thank you for the idea,

perknh
It took some digging around and I found a maintenance manual: http://www.manualslib.com/manual/493679/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X130e.html?page=55#manual (http://www.manualslib.com/manual/493679/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X130e.html?page=55#manual).  The section you're looking for starts on page 55 and ends on page 60.  The link I've provided, opens on page 55.  It's really very simple to do and should take around 10 mins to complete.  The manual is very detailed and gives factory settings, like the torque on retaining screws.  Let common sense prevail here  ;).  On page 50, there's a notice about removing an SD card if it's installed.  It's unlikely to be installed with your purchase but check anyway.  You may get lucky and find one  ;D.  It's something you may want to install for yourself anyway. It could be useful.  That's it.  It's not hard to do at all, I suggest you do it in a well lit area on a tray with raised edges.  Use empty, labeled margarine containers or something similar for the screws. 

I would definitely do the upgrade.  The Lenovo X130e is already built like a tank.  The weakest link is the HDD.  Swapping that out for an SSD will make the laptop near to indestructible.   You'll not regret doing it and you'll save yourself a $100 in the process - have fun  ;)!!
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on January 26, 2016, 09:55:01 am
I would definitely do the upgrade.  The Lenovo X130e is already built like a tank.  The weakest link is the HDD.  Swapping that out for an SSD will make the laptop near to indestructible.   You'll not regret doing it and you'll save yourself a $100 in the process - have fun  ;)!!

Hello AndyInMokum,

Thank you for finding that maintenance manual, and pointing me in the right direction here.  I'll need to purchase the right screwdriver(s), purchase an SSD, and look to see if there's an SD card inside.  This little notebook computer is going to be my first experiment swapping out a hard drive, and I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.

Thank you very much, Andy. ;)

perknh
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 26, 2016, 11:16:43 am
I would definitely do the upgrade.  The Lenovo X130e is already built like a tank.  The weakest link is the HDD.  Swapping that out for an SSD will make the laptop near to indestructible.   You'll not regret doing it and you'll save yourself a $100 in the process - have fun  ;)!!

Hello AndyInMokum,

Thank you for finding that maintenance manual, and pointing me in the right direction here.  I'll need to purchase the right screwdriver(s), purchase an SSD, and look to see if there's an SD card inside.  This little notebook computer is going to be my first experiment swapping out a hard drive, and I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.

Thank you very much, Andy. ;)

perknh
It's my pleasure mate  ;).  Getting some screwdrivers is a good idea.  Better than battling with a butter knife, (there's a pure Frisian word for you).  Don't go overboard, just buy a set of good quality electronics screwdrivers, nothing too fancy.  The swapping over of the drives is really easy.  After you've done it once, you'll be able to do it blindfolded the next time.  When you've done it all.  Let us know if you need help setting up and tweaking the SSD  ;).
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: murraymint on February 12, 2016, 06:51:37 am
I've just bought one of these:
(http://www.pipo-store.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1//9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/i/pipo_x8_11_.jpg)
http://www.pipo-store.com/pipo-x8-dual-boot-mini-pc-2gb-64gb.html

I'm going to have a go at installing Ubuntu on it (http://askubuntu.com/questions/720943/ubuntu-server-edition-uefi-mini-pc) - mainly because it's a challenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13DbhO9H3w).  ;D

Is there any chance of being able to get Peppermint on it instead, either the current or the next version?  :-\
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 12, 2016, 01:08:00 pm
Can't see why Peppermint 6 wouldn't install (if Ubuntu 14.04 will) .. it's x86
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: Razznak on February 14, 2016, 11:01:20 pm
I've just bought one of these:
(http://www.pipo-store.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1//9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/i/pipo_x8_11_.jpg)
http://www.pipo-store.com/pipo-x8-dual-boot-mini-pc-2gb-64gb.html

I'm going to have a go at installing Ubuntu on it (http://askubuntu.com/questions/720943/ubuntu-server-edition-uefi-mini-pc) - mainly because it's a challenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13DbhO9H3w).  ;D

Is there any chance of being able to get Peppermint on it instead, either the current or the next version?  :-\

Wow, that looks fun!!  :)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on July 10, 2019, 10:01:24 am
I bought this (https://www.did.ie/lenovo-mediatek-mt8173c-14-4gb-32gb-laptop-black-81jw000buk-81jw000buk-prd) on eBay about a week ago -- a Lenovo Chromebook MediaTek MT8173C 14" 4GB/32GB Laptop.  The reason why I'm mentioning this purchase is because I found a couple of unusual/interesting things about it:

Of course being a Chromebook, it comes with Chrome OS, but I never would have imagined it would be a 32-bit version of Chrome OS. :o  The only reason I can come up with as to why Google/Lenovo would be running 32-bit is probably because of app support.   What if you want to run an app on the Chromebook that is only 32-bit?  I can't think of another reason.  I know the older MediaTek MT8173 processor (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mediatek-MT8173-SoC-Benchmarks-and-Specs.187982.0.html) supports 64-bit.  I'm assuming the newer MT8173C processor must too.  All that said, I do find this a bit odd. :-\

The second thing I noticed it that stable version of 32-bit Chrome OS on the Chromebook is just a smidgen more up-to-date than the 64-bit version of Chrome in either Windows or Linux.  For instance, if 64-bit Chrome within Peppermint is Version 75.0.3770.100 (Official Build) (64-bit), the 32-bit version is Version 75.0.3770.129 (Official Build) (32-bit).  I find this to be a bit odd too. 

Truth is, I didn't even know that Chrome had 32-bit versions of its browser any longer.  Maybe browser no, but OS yes? :-\  I don't really know what to make of all this -- other than it's interesting.  But for $100 and 14.99 for shipping, I knew I have to grab it -- even if we haven't used it yet. ;)
Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: VinDSL on July 10, 2019, 05:05:26 pm
Nice! I need to buy a Chromebook, someday. Never had one.

I own several 32bit machines, and they do everything I need them to do.

Yes, it seems a bit odd, but the thought of having another 32bit machine around wouldn't bother me.  ;)



Title: Re: New Purchases
Post by: perknh on July 10, 2019, 08:13:45 pm
Yes, it seems a bit odd, but the thought of having another 32bit machine around wouldn't bother me.  ;)

Here's my best guess as to why it's 32-bit.  I bet this will be the last 32-bit Chromebook I see.

Android apps must have 64-bit support by August 2019

By Jon Fingas for endgadget

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/19/android-apps-must-have-64-bit-support-by-august-2019/

Chromebooks are pretty much maintenance free.  They take as much time for their initial setup as it takes to set up a browser -- maybe a minute or two. Then, after that, you just sign in and use them.  BUT, unlike Peppermint, Ubuntu, Mint, etc., once their EOL comes, you can't just replace the OS with another Chrome OS.  No, they want you to buy another Chromebook.  Maybe you can replace Chrome OS with CloudReady (Chromium OS), but maybe not.  From what I've seen with CloudReady, most likely not.

Chrome OS is great when it comes to security.  The OS is cloud-based and you've got Google protecting your data.  As for privacy?  According to Google much data gets anonymized (https://policies.google.com/technologies/anonymization?hl=en-US) over  time (https://policies.google.com/technologies/retention?hl=en-US).