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Title: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: VinDSL on December 01, 2015, 10:54:19 pm
ADOBE NEWS RELEASE (30 Nov 2015): http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2015/11/flash-html5-and-open-web-standards.html

ARTICLE (1 Dec 2015):  http://www.geekwire.com/2015/adobe-ditches-the-flash-name-as-it-tries-to-catch-up-with-a-web-built-on-open-standards/

Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up
Post by: scifidude79 on December 01, 2015, 11:18:52 pm
Who cares what they call it?  HTML5 doesn't need a plugin.  Why would people install something they don't need?  Most people only have Flash because their browser told them they needed it to access content on a website.  Adobe needs to just entirely drop that piece of crap.
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up
Post by: rjm65 on December 02, 2015, 08:36:37 am
can't drop it because 99.9% of your games won't work without it...  that is the first thing my wife screams about when i redo her machine, she logs into facebook with her firefox, and if those games don't work she is yelling at me...   LOL   :P
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up
Post by: scifidude79 on December 02, 2015, 10:19:06 am
Yeah, Facebook is extremely Flash dependent.  All of their games and any video posted to FB itself (not using an outside site like YouTube) won't work without Flash. 
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up
Post by: PCNetSpec on December 02, 2015, 05:09:04 pm
Somebody please, MAKE THEM STOP >:(
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: VinDSL on July 26, 2017, 07:12:51 am
Finally !  (26 July 2017)   :P

Adobe to ditch Flash Player by 2020:  https://goo.gl/dvoLfP
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 26, 2017, 08:31:06 am
And straight from the horses a** mouth:
https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: murraymint on July 26, 2017, 09:02:51 am
Only 3 years to wait then? But will sites just keep using it anyway?

It would be nice if they killed off Air while they're at it  ;)
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 26, 2017, 09:37:12 am
And One Direction.
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: murraymint on July 26, 2017, 09:38:59 am
I didn't mean French Band Air, I meant the "cross-platform" animation thing that they ditched on Linux. That was the reason that Samorost 3 wasn't available for Linux.
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 26, 2017, 09:52:39 am
My response stands ;)
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: murraymint on July 26, 2017, 09:53:11 am
 :D
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: spence on July 27, 2017, 03:21:58 pm
I have no use for flash... i don't play games of any sort... and I'm tired of seeing the yellow chrome/chromium pop-up...

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$1 was blocked because it was out of date


any way to be free of that?
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 27, 2017, 04:56:15 pm
Yeah, update the flashplayer by enabling the "Canonical Partners" repo .. then running a full system update.

Though it shouldn't be happening in Chrome :-\
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: spence on July 31, 2017, 02:31:07 pm
Yeah, update the flashplayer by enabling the "Canonical Partners" repo .. then running a full system update.

Though it shouldn't be happening in Chrome :-\

I've never used Chrome... only Chromium... in order to avoid all the"phone home to Mountain View" bits  :-X... I'd just as soon never have flash installed anymore... just hate that yellow banner...   :-\
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 31, 2017, 02:38:49 pm
I've never used Chrome... only Chromium...

Hey it was you that mentioned Chrome ;)

I have no use for flash... i don't play games of any sort... and I'm tired of seeing the yellow chrome/chromium pop-up...

What I'm saying is the above instructions applied to Chromium, not Chrome.
(chrome having its own built in flashplayer)



If you don't want flashplayer, uninstall it .. but expect to see warnings on webpages with flash content (unless you use a flash blocker).
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: spence on July 31, 2017, 04:56:01 pm
I've never used Chrome... only Chromium...

Hey it was you that mentioned Chrome ;)

I only mentioned it because some folks don't seem to know there is an alternative to (phone home to google inc ) Chrome... decided to block flash in both computers just to settle the issue for good...  8)
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 04, 2017, 07:02:21 am
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: VinDSL on August 04, 2017, 07:14:38 am
First thing I did after my new clean install and update of Peppermint 8 was remove anything Adobe Flash no need for it in my computer use.   :)

Yeah, flash was cool, back in the last century, but it's time to bid it fond adieu ...  ;)
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: Timo on August 04, 2017, 08:44:19 am
Yeah, flash was cool, back in the last century, but it's time to bid it fond adieu ...  ;)
But it still runs more efficient than HTML5. Although HTML5 support got a lot better, it's still not quite there yet. I can tell which ones running by looking at a power meter :-X

But yeah Flash is going to die... likely... maybe... in a different universe or so ::)
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 04, 2017, 04:36:15 pm
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: acer on August 04, 2017, 05:59:35 pm
I certainly won't miss it, as I've took every precaution to avoid Macromedia/ Adobe Flash on any system since the turn of the millenium..
good riddance I say!  :P
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 06, 2017, 08:17:22 am
Oh good grief .. someone's trying to keep it alive by petitioning to have it open sourced
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/07/adobe-flash-fans-want-a-chance-to-fix-its-one-million-bugs-under-an-open-source-license/
and
https://github.com/pakastin/open-source-flash
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: Timo on August 06, 2017, 08:58:04 am
How surprising :D
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 06, 2017, 09:12:07 am
I'm generally a supporter of forks, as opposed to the people that say there are too many .. forks are how Linux (and other FOSS projects) progress. Because forks remove centralised 'management' of ideas (which can easily become barriers), they allow cream to rise to the top that can be (usually freely) used elsewhere.

In other words .. don't like what Ubuntu/Arch/LibreOffice/SAMBA/etc. are doing, but can't talk then into including your idea .. create a fork that DOES contain your idea, and if it's a good idea other will get to see it and use your fork.

But it's hard to see the value in this becoming FOSS.
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: VinDSL on August 06, 2017, 10:52:07 am
Oh good grief .. someone's trying to keep it alive by petitioning to have it open sourced

Maybe the NSA will covertly maintain it for the mullet heads ...  ::)
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: VinDSL on August 06, 2017, 10:56:11 am
... forks are how Linux (and other FOSS projects) progress ...

I got it.  Have FOSS take over FLASH, and call it FLOSS.  Nobody will use it ...   :D
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 06, 2017, 12:46:11 pm
Maybe the NSA will covertly maintain it

LOL :))

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Dunno what I'm laughing at, that's a real (and terrifying) possibility :o
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: Timo on August 06, 2017, 03:33:05 pm
Well the NSA is a great supporter for FOSS, without them Linux wouldn't be where it is. Although they might have a different definition of "free" ::).

I'm not sure Flash makes sense for them, it's just another Door into Windows and they get pretty much full access to that anyways. And do you really think the average Windows user will uninstall Flash? I'm not sure the average windows user cares if his PC is hacked, as long as it works. I mean windows 10 says it's spyware in it's EULA.

I think the NSA won't waste ressources on software like that. it's the BIOS and Hardware backdoors they'll have to fokus on. By the way Intel AMT (the business version of ME) got already hacked, it's more or less a matter of time until Intel ME will be too. And that's a backdoor most of us have. With AMD now having backdoors as well it's rather hard to do something against this. And the users might actually think their system is safe (I mean the OS could be 100% safe, doesn't matter).
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 09, 2017, 12:05:15 pm
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 09, 2017, 12:11:30 pm
It may be Firefox in Peppermint 9 .. we seem to change between Chromium and Firefox each release.

It's the one thing I seem totally indecisive about :-\

Personally I'm a Firefox user, but when we use Firefox we get a lot of requests to change to Chromium, when we use Chromium we get and equal number wanting Firefox ???

Whenever we've had a vote it turns out 50:50...

Trying to give people what they want is turning out to be problematic :))
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 09, 2017, 01:47:30 pm
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 09, 2017, 01:49:19 pm
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: Timo on August 09, 2017, 03:01:06 pm
I think firefox fits better to Peppermint, because it's lighter. Although P7 & P8 aren't that light (at least compared to P6).

But "sudo apt install firefox" isn't that hard to type ::). And theme, SSB, ... are there for firefox so not a big deal.
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 10, 2017, 01:58:54 am
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: pin on August 10, 2017, 03:51:55 am
@PCNetSpec
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It may be Firefox in Peppermint 9 .. we seem to change between Chromium and Firefox each release.

That would be just great  :D :D :D
But, if not... well, I can always change it!
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: Timo on August 10, 2017, 04:10:51 am
Ok I installed firefox 54 and want to remove shockwave flash as it is version 13 in firefox so how do I go about doing so as I've tried using the terminal and synaptic and it shows to not be installed.

Click on the firefox menu button (top right) and click on "Add-ons" or type "about:addons" in your URL Bar.
Now klick on Plugins. You'll find Shockwave there.
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: murraymint on August 10, 2017, 05:03:37 am
Perhaps a solution might be to include both and let the user decide.

Is there a way to put an option in/after the installer for which browser gets installed at the end?

I've got Firefox, Chromium and Opera stable installed, all for different things. Yesterday I figured out how to install LibreOffice and OpenOffice side by side so I'm all for user decision  ;D
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 10, 2017, 08:18:20 am
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 10, 2017, 08:46:57 am
Ok I installed firefox 54 and want to remove shockwave flash as it is version 13 in firefox so how do I go about doing so as I've tried using the terminal and synaptic and it shows to not be installed.

What's the output from:
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dpkg -l | grep flash
Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: The PoorGuy on August 10, 2017, 06:33:41 pm
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Title: Re: Adobe ditches ‘Flash’ name as it tries to catch up (Updated 26 July 2017)
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 10, 2017, 06:47:04 pm
No worries my mate, and nice move :)