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Title: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 05, 2015, 08:32:21 pm
I was on a computer all day at work, but it had Windows on it and I was using Internet Explorer.  I think I need a shower after that.   :-X
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 05, 2015, 08:37:59 pm
Nasty  >:(!!
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 05, 2015, 08:44:10 pm
I'm just glad it's not my computer and I was able to come home to Peppermint.   ;D

It's funny, the first computer I was supposed to be on froze during startup.  All I did was roll my eyes.  That's Windows for you.  Yet, the vast majority of businesses still use it. ::)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: s4w3d0ff on October 05, 2015, 08:51:55 pm
eww  :-X

I have wondose installed on my machine but never use it... not even as a backup.  :P
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 05, 2015, 08:59:05 pm
I ditched it completely back in June.  Too many BSODs.  Now, when I use it, it seems so weird, even though I used it for many years.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 06, 2015, 05:44:51 am
(http://viralknot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/main-qimg-43915cd3723aefa9d3a275c5686a2dae.png)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 06, 2015, 05:57:38 am
(http://viralknot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/main-qimg-43915cd3723aefa9d3a275c5686a2dae.png)

Nice.   :D
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: rjm65 on October 06, 2015, 08:25:31 am
I run windows 14 to 16 hours a day, everyday without fail, and I would say something about this thread, but I was told by admin that I am not allowed to anymore...   >:(
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 06, 2015, 08:37:29 am
Ah but you know what you're doing and how to wisely maintain it.  For the average user, Windows gets used and abused.  When it does go wrong, it does it in spades.  It keeps you repair guys busy though  ;). 
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 06, 2015, 08:39:30 am
(http://viralknot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/main-qimg-43915cd3723aefa9d3a275c5686a2dae.png)
That's hysterical  ;D!!
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 06, 2015, 09:27:57 am
I run windows 14 to 16 hours a day, everyday without fail, and I would say something about this thread, but I was told by admin that I am not allowed to anymore...   >:(

As you've now decided to make this PUBLIC, I'll respond....

After the hundred and ninety seventh time it lost its humour .. it had got to the point where pretty much your total interaction with the forum had become posting "Windows the best OS ever made" in random topics then leaving .. as a "trusted user" I ASKED you to tone it down in as friendly a manner as I could, anyone else I'd have considered it trolling and banned them without recourse.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: rjm65 on October 06, 2015, 10:04:14 am
Ah but you know what you're doing and how to wisely maintain it.  For the average user, Windows gets used and abused.  When it does go wrong, it does it in spades.  It keeps you repair guys busy though  ;).
I guess you are right, I have never had a problem so far since i bought this machine 6 years ago... However as you said I do run proper security programs, and stay away from sites that most people would click on in a second...   That and I never used explorer, so I can understand how the op felt about having to use that...   :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: zebedeeboss on October 06, 2015, 02:03:39 pm
I'm just glad it's not my computer and I was able to come home to Peppermint.   ;D

It's funny, the first computer I was supposed to be on froze during startup.  All I did was roll my eyes.  That's Windows for you.  Yet, the vast majority of businesses still use it. ::)

Sorry but that just shows a poor IT set-up, naff all to do with windows.   We have windows where I work and I can sit at any of the 60 or so desks in the office or go to one of 15 other offices we have - sign in as me and all the programs I need are there and working.  I know most of you guys hate windows but it gets boring after a while, this continual petty knocking of the MS OS.   Don't like it stay away from it.  Have to work on it...  sh!t appens get over it already.  I don't come here every day moaning about this or that Linux Distro that doesn't work.   I don't even post about a lot of the frustrations I have with Peppermint.   I simply use it cos I enjoy computing...  wotever the flavour and what ever the problems I come across I search and or ask for a solution. I love coming to the Forums and reading about problem solving and learning new things but I get really hacked off when you guys simply moan about windows just because it s windows.   

Apologies... Rant over - I normally just gloss over these posts as uninteresting but his time - sorry I just had to reply.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 06, 2015, 02:48:21 pm
It could equally be said that THIS IS A LINUX FORUM, most people ended up here precisely because they're tired of Windows shortcomings so what do you expect ?

"Don't like it, stay away from it" ;)

and I must add that your experience of Windows is completely different to mine, people here don't moan about Windows "just because it's Windows" otherwise they'd lay into anything not Linux such as BSD/OS X/Unix/AmigaOS/etc., they moan about Windows from experience .. rant just getting started ;)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: zebedeeboss on October 06, 2015, 03:17:31 pm
It could equally be said that THIS IS A LINUX FORUM, most people ended up here precisely because they're tired of Windows shortcomings so what do you expect ?

"Don't like it, stay away from it" ;)


My point exactly - I expect to see Linux items not windows bashing...   but hey, I don't want to fall out with anyone as I do genuinely like this forum and the people on it. You get smart intelligent answers to your Linux problems  :)

I will take my own advise and revert to ignoring posts about windows  :P
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 06, 2015, 03:22:25 pm
:) .. it's all good my mate .. I just generally let people rant about Windows if they choose...

There's a lot of use cases where Windows is a better fit than Linux, but I also understand why most people arrived here (myself included) ;)

Besides which I'm sure Microsoft can take it otherwise they wouldn't have released Windows 10 .. sorry, couldn't resist :))
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: zebedeeboss on October 06, 2015, 03:33:46 pm
Can't reply as I am ignoring these posts....




Unsuccessfully - I might add  :-\
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 06, 2015, 03:45:17 pm
LOL :))
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 06, 2015, 06:38:48 pm
You guys do realize this thread was a joke, right?  Get a sense of humor.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 06, 2015, 06:51:36 pm
Dunno why, I 'literally' feel as though I've been dragged through the mud when I administer Windows now .. it's just so bogged  down and inflexible in everything it does .. I feel a genuine sense of relief when I can get off the damn thing.

OK that's more from an admin perspective than a 'users', but then I don't 'use' it any more.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 06, 2015, 06:56:03 pm
You guys do realize this thread was a joke, right?  Get a sense of humor.
It's the, "Windows Effect".  It takes the fun out of computing  :'(!!
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 06, 2015, 07:07:18 pm
Windows is GREAT if you're not the one that has to fix it, or update it, or keep on top of the licensing/auditing, or bend it to a certain task, or.........

But from an admin perspective it's horrid.

If you're a home user, so both user and admin, you'd better like roller coaster rides or enjoy REGULARLY paying someone else for the admin (and/or buying new PC's which these days comes with its own peculiar admin tasks .. removing all the ****ware that comes preinstalled so it doesn't crawl along from the get-go).

Maybe just my experience (not an 'opinion', experience), but that's how I feel about it  :-X <-- I know that's a "lips sealed" emoticon but it also looks like he's about to barf

[EDIT]

Can you tell I've had a rough few days with other peoples Windows systems lately ;)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: s4w3d0ff on October 06, 2015, 07:49:50 pm
If only I could play Battlefield 4 on Linux  :'(



Its probably the only use I have for Windows.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 10, 2015, 01:20:13 pm
Both Windows and Linux have their own pros and cons. However I prefer Linux and imho, Linux is much better than Windows. we should also remember how much money is invested by Microsoft on Windows and that we have to "buy" it.  Linux on the other hand, is free and we don't even pay anything for it. There is a lot of other stuff regarding security and protection from malware that gives Linux a leading edge compared to Windows. It is obvious why Microsoft has turned towards Linux for their cloud based OS named "Azure" :) have a nice weekend everyone ;)

(http://itsfoss.itsfoss.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Windows10_Linux.jpg)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 11, 2015, 09:41:45 am
Both Windows and Linux have their own pros and cons. However I prefer Linux and imho, Linux is much better than Windows. we should also remember how much money is invested by Microsoft on Windows and that we have to "buy" it.  Linux on the other hand, is free and we don't even pay anything for it. There is a lot of other stuff regarding security and protection from malware that gives Linux a leading edge compared to Windows. It is obvious why Microsoft has turned towards Linux for their cloud based OS named "Azure" :) have a nice weekend everyone ;)

Very well said.  And, yes, that first sentence is definitely the truth.  One of the biggest pros of Windows is the software available for it that you can't get anywhere else.  If you need to run something and you can't get it for anything else, then Windows is the thing to have.  I'm sure those training things I was doing on the computer (that are well behind me, thank goodness) would only work in Windows.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: perknh on October 11, 2015, 10:07:15 am
Did you guys know that you never buy Windows?  What you're really doing is paying to lease it.  How's that for adding insult to injury? ::)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 11, 2015, 10:16:49 am
Exactly! Windows is a bad operating system with excellent app support (by third party developers). And we also cannot ignore the fact that still, most people don't even know what Linux is. Even if they have heard that "Linux is some operating system", they tend to think it's an OS for geeks and experts :D The best way to explain to an average computer user (mostly running Windows on their machines) is to tell them about Android and explain them how they are already using Linux and they don't even know.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 11, 2015, 10:23:07 am
Mathematically,

Cost of (Windows + Antivirus Software + MS office) + time for installing drivers and setting up everything >> Cost of your entire PC

:P
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 11, 2015, 10:25:21 am
Damn .. you must have one hell of a PC if you needed to throw Office in there too ;)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 11, 2015, 10:39:45 am
Most people run whatever comes with the computer because they lack the technical knowledge or will to change it.  In fact, that was probably why M$ rolled out Windows 10 as an "upgrade."  People see the word upgrade and think they can do it.  If they think they have to install a complete OS, (which they do anyway) they think it's beyond their skill.

Even if they have heard that "Linux is some operating system", they tend to think it's an OS for geeks and experts :D

Which isn't even true because Linux is an OS Kernel, not an OS, but that's splitting hairs and really doesn't address the point you're making.  ;)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 11, 2015, 10:42:08 am
We haven't even compared RAM usage and Memory consumption yet.

Peppermint iso file = around 500 MB
windows (7 or later) = around 3.5 GB

GIMP and LibreOffice do more than what MSoffice and Photoshop can do.

MS Office + Photoshop = around 2 GB and cost a lot

Libre office + GIMP = around 200 MB and cost nothing
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 11, 2015, 10:46:01 am
Yeah, I've been using Gimp since 2006, when it was suggested to me on a 3D forum because I can't afford PS.  (and, now, don't want it)  It's a very powerful piece of software.  The main problem with it is when you get those longtime PS users who try it and can't figure out what is where and what tool does the equivalent to what they did in PS, so they say it's not as good and switch back to PS.  ::)  There actually used to be a variation called Gimpshop that Gimp with more of a PS-style layout, but I don't know if it's still developed.  I never used it because I never used PS and think standard Gimp is awesome.  :D

I've been using LibreOffice since the beginning, I was using OpenOffice before that.  To me, it's very similar to MS Works, which I used for years and even took a class on in high school.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 11, 2015, 10:53:03 am
True Scifidude79. Besides, when an average computer user goes to buy a PC (generally assembled),  the guys at the computer shop don't even mention "Linux". All they say is "ok so you need to pay xyz extra for Windows". because they know they can earn a few pennies by installing windows. sometimes they even charge extra for the Antivirus

And yeah Linux is the kernel, but an ordinary windows user has no idea of what a "kernel" is :p Most of the time, people hear the word "Linux" is when there is a news about some supercomputer which runs Linux :D
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 11, 2015, 10:56:25 am
When I first switched from Windows to Linux, I was afraid whether GIMP would ever do the same tasks that i did on Photoshop. And now I'm more than happy with it. I used to think GIMP was named after the character in "Pulp fiction" :P lol Then I saw it actually stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program (smart name)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: emegra on October 11, 2015, 12:09:13 pm
I've never used Photoshop so I can't in all honesty say how it compares to Gimp, but I do use Gimp a lot and if I continued to use it for another 100 years I don't think I'd ever use or understand all it's functions

so for my needs which mainly consist of cropping, picture enhancement and some creative stuff Gimp is more than capable and I honestly can't see how Photoshop could do any more for me in fact I've never came across anything I wanted to do that Gimp couldn't do for me so if anyone pays 1000.00 for Photoshop to do work Gimp can do just as well that says more about the individual than the software.

But recently I've been working a lot with Darktable and it is an amazing powerful piece of software and the more i use it the more I'm realizing just how amazing it is and the real beauty is that it's not available in Windows and I hope it never is because i've read on forums where some guys have migrated to Linux just so they can have Darktable

Darktable is under constant development and shaping up to be a serious application and just might turn out to that killer application that could turn many users over to Linux




Graeme
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 11, 2015, 12:17:48 pm
I was unaware of Darktable. thanks for the info, Graeme. Sounds like a software I gotta use
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 12, 2015, 01:28:04 am
Gimp is extremely powerful.  I'm not going to say I use or understand every one of its tools, but I find it to be very powerful.  I use it extensively in my CGI.  I do everything from making texture maps with it to space backgrounds and other things for images.  And, it's good for post work, adding finishing touches to images.  It has lots of extremely powerful tools that compare in results to what I see people post that was done in Photoshop.  And, it has the best price tag you can get.  :)

And yeah Linux is the kernel, but an ordinary windows user has no idea of what a "kernel" is :p Most of the time, people hear the word "Linux" is when there is a news about some supercomputer which runs Linux :D

My first computer had Windows 98 (original, not SE) on it and it had a lot of BSODs because of some problem with the kernel, which they called Kernel32.  I never knew what Kernel32 was, I just knew it messed up a lot.  ;)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 12, 2015, 02:06:27 am
I mostly use GIMP for photo editing mostly. I found it to be doing everything I have ever wanted to do with PS. GIMP is undoubtedly, the Photoshop killer ;)

My first PC ran windows 98 too :) And the high school I studied in had Windows 98 computers where I learnt the basics of computing. Even now, most schools and colleges have Windows as their operating system. Many years ago, when my dad used to take computer classes in a local institute, they were teaching DOS. It's sad to see that most people are deprived of Linux knowledge.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: AndyInMokum on October 12, 2015, 02:42:50 am
Yeah, the GIMP is the business.  The only area it can't compete with Photoshop easily is with CMYK colour management.  Once someone manages to successfully implement this, GIMP will be a true alternative to Photoshop.  As long as your happy working with RGB, GIMP is a great tool.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 12, 2015, 08:26:02 am
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There actually used to be a variation called Gimpshop that Gimp with more of a PS-style layout,

I'm trying to get a handle on Photoshop ATM (on my sons Mac and simply for the pixel bender plugin), and non of the functions are in the same place or called the same .. maybe Adobe need to do a "Photogimp" version :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 12, 2015, 09:32:49 am
Good luck with that.  I'm sure Adobe doesn't give a crap if you like their software or not, as long as you buy it, and probably barely acknowledges Gimp.  (if at all)  I'm sure they're under the mistaken impression that people need their software.  Though, the problem is that a lot of people probably think they need it too.  With a lot of 3D artists, Gimp is a dirty word, even though I'm sure many of them could find the same functions they have in PS for free in Gimp.  Though, there are a lot of photo editing programs out there.  There are way more of those than there are programs like AfterEffects and some of the other stuff Adobe makes.  My first taste of photo editing was a program called Photo Deluxe, and a program called Image Folio.  They came with a scanner I bought in '98 or '99.

The only version of Photoshop I've ever used is the mobile one, and only because it came with my tablet.  Though, truthfully, I'm not impressed.  I don't know if it's more limited than the PC version, which I'm sure it is, or if editing photos on a tablet just sucks.

And the high school I studied in had Windows 98 computers where I learnt the basics of computing.

Lucky.  We had Windows 95.  In the one class I had, the teacher told us right at the beginning she wasn't quite "up to speed" on Win95.  The teacher.  Didn't know Win95. In 1997.  ::)  Anywho, that was my first taste of computing, then I bought my first computer on Black Friday 1998.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 12, 2015, 10:10:32 am
My first taste of photo editing was a program called Photo Deluxe

Deluxe Paint .. on the Amiga :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 12, 2015, 10:48:45 am
Lucky.  We had Windows 95.  In the one class I had, the teacher told us right at the beginning she wasn't quite "up to speed" on Win95.  The teacher.  Didn't know Win95. In 1997.  ::)  Anywho, that was my first taste of computing, then I bought my first computer on Black Friday 1998.

I never got to use Windows 95. But I witnessed the era when 98 was replaced with "ME" and then our school had to buy new computers for running XP  ::) Those were some good old memories. I liked the themes on 98. There was this underwater theme which would even make the curser look like a scuba diver and the boot on-boot off sound effects like flowing water  :D :P Still, Windows was never safe. I still remember once a computer at my dad's printing press (which was running Windows 98)  not turning on normally and instead the whole screen turning black with green letters all over that read "Hitechmate" or something. He had to pay the computer repair guy a lot of money for removing the virus and for an antivirus software. I wish we still had the printing press. I would have tried to run the entire press on Linux  :D
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 12, 2015, 11:04:29 am
I never got to use Windows 95.

Don't feel shortchanged.  Win95 was a pretty big turd.  It wasn't quite as bad as ME, but it wasn't great either.  Win98 was almost a big turd too, but the second edition actually made it one of my favorite Windows operating systems.  To me, it's second behind XP.

See, Windows tends to skip the "even" numbers as far as good versions.  Windows 3.1 was the first and I hear it was good, Windows 95 was the second and it sucked.  98 was third and it was good (again, because of the SE) an ME was four, and it sucked completely.  XP great, Vista sucked, 7 was great, 8 sucked.  Win10 is *technically* the ninth version, but the jury is out on that one so far.  Microsoft may finally have an odd numbered turd.  I don't know firsthand because I'll never use it unless I absolutely have to.  Even those computers I was using at work had Windows 7 on them, not 10.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 12, 2015, 11:19:59 am
You made a great analysis :D It is undoubtedly, true! It's actually ridiculous that such a big billion-dollar tech giant invests millions of dollars just to produce crap like Windows 8 (and the other even versions)!

If all major third party developers start making apps for Linux, Microsoft will go bankrupt in just 5 years and Billy would be seen selling tacos outside Canonical's office lol :P
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 12, 2015, 11:57:57 am
Bill Gates has been slowly but surely jumping ship for quite some time now (he's a smart businessman and saw the writing on the wall) .. he's been selling Microsoft shares by the hundreds of millions over the last few years and buying into big pharma .. conning people he's gone all philanthropic, when it's really just about screwing money outa peoples health miseries.

So I seriously doubt that if anything happens to Microsoft it'll bother him much. :o
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 12, 2015, 02:15:27 pm
Yeah, I read about "Melinda Gates Foundation" and named after his wife. For them, the first step towards human welfare should be to dump Windows completely.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 13, 2015, 09:49:28 am
Yeah, Bill is literally a genius.  He scored a 1590 on his SAT (out of 1600.)  Aside from his programming skills, he's also an incredibly smart and cunning businessman.  After all, he'd have to be to have gotten every major PC manufacturer but one to use the Windows OS.  That was a genius business move.  Somebody that smart knows when it's time to pack up and move on.

Microsoft won't die quickly, nor would something like Linux push it out of business.  I'm not saying that Linux couldn't kill Windows, but it won't kill Microsoft.  After all, Microsoft still has its XBOX consoles and other products it makes.  Even if they stopped making Windows, they could still run a software devision making their other software and games.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 13, 2015, 10:19:51 am
Makes me wonder whether Playstation is already taking the lead in console business. Isn't Playstation OS based on FreeBSD? :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 14, 2015, 09:41:45 am
Yes, it's based on a customized version of FreeBSD.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 14, 2015, 12:09:08 pm
Open source is the future of everything. Seeing how Android has turned out to be a growing "gaming" platform, there will be an Android console in a few years, giving a tough fight to likes of playstation And Xbox. I know it's not primarily a gaming OS but there are a lot of good console quality games on android. :)

And needless to say, seeing how steam has started bringing games for Linux and some other gaming companies are releasing games for Linux, Linux will rule the gaming PC market too. I'm really looking forward to this happening in the coming future :)

But Scifidude79, I do agree with you that even if all hell breaks loose on Microsoft, they'll never go out of business. They will think of something else or probably, choose the open-source way :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 15, 2015, 11:16:38 am
There's already an Android console, but it didn't give the PS4 or XBOX One runs for their money because it's too underpowered.  But, it also sold for only $99 USD.  However, it will be interesting to see what they do for the second version.  Anyway, this is it:

https://www.ouya.tv/

Then there are also the Steam Machines due out next month.  It will be interesting to see what kind of splash they make on the gaming community.  While they're quite a bit pricier than the current generation consoles, you can also get ones that are more powerful and some are even upgradeable, something you can't really do with a console.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 15, 2015, 12:05:33 pm
Yes I have seen that console. even the Android Tablet (Micromax Funbook) that I used to have in 2012, came with a MHL port which can be easily connected to any LED TV. Some custom ROMs support USB gaming joysticks. So it was kinda like a gaming console too. Games like PES, FIFA, FRONTLINE COMMANDO, SHADOWGUN, NOVA, DEAD TRIGGER etc.  worked like charm :)

That's a great news. :) I have a strong feeling that the ability to upgrade will give steam a big push ahead in the race of gaming consoles. NVIDIA is also doing a great job in bringing Android gaming consoles. I saw a video from an American tech expo last year where Nvidia announced a mobile chipset called" Tegra k1" which they claim to bring PC quality gaming to Android devices. The NEXUS 9 already sports this chipset :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 15, 2015, 03:29:03 pm
Steam is also pushing this Steam Link thing (sold by them, naturally) that you can hook up to your TV and link to your computer running Steam.  With that and a compatible controller, you can play the games on your TV like you're playing them on a console, but they're really running on your computer.  Of course, the bad thing about that setup is that 1. it will likely use up all of your WIFI bandwidth and 2. you can't use your computer for something else while you're playing.  I personally like to start a CGI render going and play video games while it's rendering, which you can't do with that setup.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 15, 2015, 10:22:20 pm
That is so cool. Although Steam Link has another drawback. The maximum frame rate is 30 fps.

Let's also not forget that this is Valve's one of the earliest attempts into the hardware market. :) Later versions will take care of issues in the first one ;)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 10:17:53 am
Anybody remember what the original topic of this thread was?  :P

My issue with all of the Steam hardware except the controller is that it's nothing I can't do more cheaply.  If I want a computer hooked up to my TV, I'll just hook one up.  No Steam Link needed.  My TV has a VGA port and the latest graphics cards have HDMI.  If I wanted a small, under the TV system, I could just build one.  The parts are all available and, as always, I could build a better one for cheaper.  The lower end Steam Machines may have about the same hardware specs as the current gen consoles, but they won't play many newer games.  You have to spend big bucks to get one that will play new titles with great graphics.  Plus, mine would be fully upgradeable.  I could just put Peppermint on it and install Steam and set it to run at startup in Big Picture mode.  Boom, there's your Steam Machine.  Though, one of the drawbacks to using the Steam Machine (or an equivalent custom built machine) will still be the entertainment aspects.  While things like VLC and whatnot will always be available, sites like Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. have issues on Linux, due to things on their end.  Plus, sites like Hulu will work, but you have to use Firefox, which sucks for Chrome users.  And, Linux still can't play Blu-Rays, though the Steam Machines don't have drives anyway, but an external one could be hooked up.  As a "total entertainment" system, I think the XBOX One actually still has the edge there.  It can do all of those things easily.  The PS4 apparently has issues in the area of what media formats it will play.  So, I'm leaning towards the XBOX One, once I can save up some money to buy one.  I was talking with a dude at work about the Microsoft Privacy Agreement and he thinks Sony has something similar with the "we can use your data however we want" bit.  Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me.  ::)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 16, 2015, 10:29:30 am
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sites like Hulu will work, but you have to use Firefox, which sucks for Chrome users.

Hmm .. kinda makes you think that a steam box, able to run these things "apparently" natively (and transparently)  via a FF/Chrome SSB would be a good idea doesn't it.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 10:37:25 am
Hmm .. kinda makes you think that a steam box, able to run these things "apparently" natively (and transparently)  via a FF/Chrome SSB would be a good idea doesn't it.

Oh yeah, it totally could.  In fact, I was having an "argument" with some tool on the Steam forums some months back about this, after news of the Steam Machines first dropped.  This individual was all like "It can't do Netflix, it can't do this and that."  I was like "Yeah, it can," and I brought up how all you have to do is install Chrome and create an app for it and then add said app to the Steam dashboard using the "add a non Steam app" feature.  Of course, then the tool started in on how the average user doesn't want to drop down to a desktop and do that kind of work.  But, who knows?  Valve may even be smart enough to include that kind of feature automatically with SteamOS.  It's still in Beta with the final version due out next month, so nobody really knows what it will have by default.  But, you just can't tell console fanboys things like that.  He was probably a Windows user too, because his attitudes were very anti Linux, and seemed to stem from the typical M$ "you can't do this and that" propaganda.  ::)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 16, 2015, 10:41:26 am
That was really my point .. Steam is extensible and AFAIK open source, there's no reason someone else couldn't do a "Steam+" version with already created SSB's.
(or Valve could do it .. Ice is open sourced after all, and it's not as though it's difficult to use)

Then there's the potential of "Electron" apps:
https://gareth.bult.co.uk/2015/10/08/electrons-n-stuff/
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 10:45:55 am
Steam isn't open source, it's just free to download and use.  It's proprietary.  In fact, you have to agree to their license when installing.  However, you're not wrong in that someone could do a custom version of Linux that's similar to SteamOS with a bunch of features added by default.

Though, I did just realize one big snag in the whole thing where you could have Steam preinstalled with "extras" like web apps for Netfilix, etc. added.  Steam doesn't include anything by default with it, you have to sign into your account and add games, software, etc.  So, that probably wouldn't work unless Valve coded it to add that stuff.  :(
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 16, 2015, 10:49:21 am
They'd only need to have a downloadable .desktop file (from the steam website) if Ice was preinstalled.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 10:51:21 am
Yes, indeed.  Valve could even add it to the store as something you can download and use.  It wouldn't be hard at all, I'm sure.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 16, 2015, 10:53:42 am
it'd be ridiculously simple.

Oh, and branding and graphics dirvers aside (and maybe a few scripts), I can't see how SteamOS *can* be proprietary (?) .. they're using other peoples GPL'd code for 99.9% of it.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 10:54:57 am
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean SteamOS is proprietary, I meant the Steam application itself is proprietary.  Hell, SteamOS is basically Debian.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 16, 2015, 11:19:43 am
I have been through rumours (or perhaps reality) that Valve is in talk with Netflix and other companies to include their services on Steam by default. :) There may be certain Steam clones in the future. or perhaps an open source version of steam os (like chromium OS and it's clone chromixium) ;)

Scifidude79, you can get a long (very long) HDMI cable and hook up your TV with your computer in some other room :) That will work too, wouldn't it? ;)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 11:34:52 am
Scifidude79, you can get a long (very long) HDMI cable and hook up your TV with your computer in some other room :) That will work too, wouldn't it? ;)

I wouldn't require a terribly long one.  Nine feet would easily do the trick.  Besides, I've read you can have signal degradation with a really long one.  However, until I update my graphics card, I don't even have an HDMI port on my computer.  I may look at some Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales next month to see what looks good in the video card department.  :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 16, 2015, 11:43:41 am
9 feet ain't too long. even the one that came with our set top box of the TV is around 5 feet long (it has been folded into rings) and doesn't seem to affect the quality and smoothness of the video :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 11:52:29 am
You really didn't need to say it 4 times.  :P

I've read that the ones longer than 10 feet (I think) are where you start having signal degradation, though I don't know how bad it is.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 16, 2015, 12:09:09 pm
Duplicate posts removed.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 16, 2015, 12:14:33 pm
Oh sorry, I didn't realize that I had posted the same stuff many times. I am using opera mini browser right now. it saves a lot of data but has issues with browsing/posting :( sorry.

Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 16, 2015, 12:21:43 pm
I could have known that I posted duplicates but after posting a reply, the forum directs me to the topic index page so I couldn't know. Opera browser is crap. I downloaded Opera on Peppermint and it has failed to open even a single page (with turbo enabled).

Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 12:33:58 pm
Opera hasn't been good since they completely rebuilt it, in my opinion.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: PCNetSpec on October 16, 2015, 12:41:13 pm
@sk_sarmapmx

Click the "Profile" link at the top of this page, then on the left hand side of the page under modify profile select "Look and Layout"

then make sure you have a tick in the box titled "Return to topics after posting by default."

then click the "CHANGE PROFILE" button at the bottom.



If anyone else is being dumped at the forum index after making a posting, please let me know and I'll re-apply the forum defaults.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 16, 2015, 12:46:02 pm
You are right Scifidude79. Opera is getting worse.

thanks PCNetSpec! :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 16, 2015, 08:42:34 pm
You are right Scifidude79. Opera is getting worse.

Did they ever fix their sync system or is it still borked?
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 16, 2015, 09:24:45 pm
They've Changed their sync system since the recent versions. Sync seems to work correctly. Although :

1. Until Opera mini 7.6, they used an annoying feature called "full page interstitial ads " to generate revenues. It's like, your browsing the Peppermint forums and suddenly, the whole screen is filled with a commercial with a "continue browsing " button down below.

2. The turbo mode on PC version doesn't seem to work anymore. my PC opera has failed to open even a single page.

3. Since Opera renders pages after it comes through their servers, some pages do not open. There are a lot of websites that do not open on Opera mini.

4. Too much tabs or pages over 1 MB makes Opera mini crash
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 17, 2015, 09:51:35 am
I think the last time I tried it, Sync technically worked, but it wouldn't import old bookmarks, it would only do those idiotic live tiles, or whatever they're called, on your speed dial.  I don't fancy having to redo all of my bookmarks just because they changed their format.  I like how Firefox does it.  I don't even need to use Sync, I just have my bookmarks saved to a file and I import them from the bookmark manager.  Chrome and other browsers have that feature too.
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 17, 2015, 10:38:50 am
I think the last time I tried it, Sync technically worked, but it wouldn't import old bookmarks, it would only do those idiotic live tiles, or whatever they're called, on your speed dial.  I don't fancy having to redo all of my bookmarks just because they changed their format.  I like how Firefox does it.  I don't even need to use Sync, I just have my bookmarks saved to a file and I import them from the bookmark manager.  Chrome and other browsers have that feature too.

I just checked the bookmark manager on the latest opera browser on Peppermint. it has an ability to import bookmarks in Opera's own bookmark file in *.adr format. However it can import bookmarks in html format from Firefox and Internet Explorer as well. And there's even an option to export bookmarks in html. I have had no problems with sync as of now but then again, chrome's sync is a million times better than this :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 17, 2015, 10:41:46 am
Ah, so they finally re-added that function to Opera.  Last time I tried it, it couldn't import, but that was last year, I think.  That's nice to know.  Thanks for the info. 
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 17, 2015, 11:01:08 am
Yeah you can give opera a try and see if it's working well for you :)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: scifidude79 on October 18, 2015, 12:58:16 am
Maybe I will on Monday.  I'm not working Monday this week.   8)
Title: Re: I feel dirty
Post by: sskarma on October 18, 2015, 01:59:43 am
Maybe I will on Monday.  I'm not working Monday this week.   8)

Cool. ;)