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Title: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 30, 2015, 03:33:23 am
So important they tell you twice .. LOL :)

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Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: VinDSL on July 30, 2015, 03:46:55 am
That's their Mission Statement, not an error message...   8)
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 30, 2015, 05:08:43 am
There's actually a four letter word starting with "S" off screen to the left :P!!
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: rjm65 on July 30, 2015, 05:41:01 am
What happened is he now has installed the greatest OS ever made on his machine, he should be smiling and proud....   Nothing beats windows, nothing at all ,they are the best...   :P
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: scifidude79 on July 30, 2015, 09:04:51 am
Yeah, "Something" happened all right.  It's called Windows 10.  It's an abomination.  :P

That's their Mission Statement, not an error message...   8)

My favorite reply right there.  :))
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 31, 2015, 04:51:25 pm
8 hours waiting for the Windows 10 upgrade to download .. then it runs a hardware test and informs me Windows 10 can't be installed and to check the PC manufacturers website for a BIOS update.

Not a problem right ? .. 2 mins to update the BIOS and I'll be back in the game right ?

NOOOOO the only option is to close the installer (WindowsMediaCreationTool or sommat like that), and closing it causes it to "clean up"  fter itself .. no option to save the downloaded data so I can continue after the BIOS update and reboot.

So you have to start from scratch .. another 8 hours of downloading the damn thing again  ::)

Microsoft you blithering idiots .. run a hardware test BEFORE starting the frigging download, or cache the download somewhere and allow the installation to be continued later  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: scifidude79 on July 31, 2015, 05:07:45 pm
That's Microsoft for you, always doing it backwards.   ::)

My mom was telling me earlier that one of her friends on Etsy did an upgrade to Windows 10 and can't get anything to show up on the screen.  It's totally black.  Man, I'm so glad I got off the Windows bandwagon.
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 31, 2015, 05:20:04 pm
Money is involved, it's a precondition to my touching anything Windows (unless it's the missus PC, then its a case of " anything for a quiet life") ;)
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: scifidude79 on July 31, 2015, 08:23:56 pm
Ah, I was wondering why you were messing with Windows 10.  I knew for sure it wasn't for personal use.
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: perknh on July 31, 2015, 09:32:07 pm
Money is involved, it's a precondition to my touching anything Windows (unless it's the missus PC, then its a case of " anything for a quiet life") ;)

When Mama Ain't Happy, Ain't Nobody Happy --this is something we learn in time!  ;)

As well as to keep away from Windows whenever we can.  ;D

These are pearls of wisdom, my friends --these are pearls!   :D
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 31, 2015, 10:49:13 pm
8 hours waiting for the Windows 10 upgrade to download .. then it runs a hardware test and informs me Windows 10 can't be installed and to check the PC manufacturers website for a BIOS update.

Not a problem right ? .. 2 mins to update the BIOS and I'll be back in the game right ?

NOOOOO the only option is to close the installer (WindowsMediaCreationTool or sommat like that), and closing it causes it to "clean up"  fter itself .. no option to save the downloaded data so I can continue after the BIOS update and reboot.

So you have to start from scratch .. another 8 hours of downloading the damn thing again  ::)

Microsoft you blithering idiots .. run a hardware test BEFORE starting the frigging download, or cache the download somewhere and allow the installation to be continued later  >:( >:( >:(
I had to have a chuckle when I saw this reply from, Mr Mole in the: Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/reader-comments/p/comment/link/94093261)  ;D!!
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 01, 2015, 02:44:47 am
Setting aside the "Microsoft now has access to all your stuff" privacy argument (and thinking about it if you used a Microsoft account previously they already did), and you have to bear in mind most of the Fekbook generation won't care (or won't understand the implications so wont care .. they'll be too busy asking Cortana if she's friends with Siri and how big her ***s are) .. I must say Windows 10 is a MASSIVE improvement on 8/8.1 in the usability department, and as far as performance goes its a massive improvement on Windows 7 (it appears quick .. REALLY quick).

I'd personally never use it for the same reasons I dropped Windows in the first place .. the main of which is security and malware .. it's just as open to malware as previous versions no matter what they try to say, it still has the same root weakness (file system without proper permissions), but I can see why the average Windows user would be mightily impressed.

On this machine (and this MAY be an exception) .. a quad core i7 with 8GB RAM and a Samsung SSD (dual booter) .. it boots faster than Peppermint 5 (only just, but it surprised me non the less), and MUCH faster than Windows 7 did, and the new "Edge" browser feels quite sprightly as well.

What does Joe Average judge PC "speed" by ? ..except for the odd game framerate the average Windows user doesn't do maths around application/data throughput (which neither have I yet) .. when he says "my computer is slow, fix it" hes nearly always talking about boot time and web browsing experience.

I have no doubt that once it's been on there for a year it'll be crawling along on its knees and need reinstalling .. and it won't be free by then. Remember the only key the guy has is a Windows 7 one so after the first year if/when Windows ever needs reinstalling for any reason, he'll (AFAIK) need to install WIn7 then upgrade to Win10 and the upgrade will no longer be free.
(they can't be keeping a record of his key somewhere and allowing reinstalls .. it's an OEM key, so if they were doing that it'd be free for all Dell PC's forever)
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: perknh on August 01, 2015, 05:48:09 am
Well PCNetSpec and AndyInMokum, you're brave souls!  ;D

I supposed I could install the darn thing (Windows 10), and then not use it --putting Peppermint on my external drive so it would boot up first. 

Here's my basic question:  Do you think my Toshiba laptop might run cooler if I did this?  Things have been moving like mud around here during the heat of the summer.  Do you think I would I be jeopardizing our privacy or security if I did this --meaning never running the Windows 10, but only using Peppermint from a 320 GB external drive within a USB 3 port?

Some alternative ideas would be to put Ubuntu 15.04 on the internal drive of the computer and see if the 3.19 kernel would help run this beast a little cooler; or I could learn how to put the 3.19 kernel into my Peppermint 6 installation to see if this would help cool things down a bit. (I also have ArchBang ready for some installation media to help me keep up with you guys trying out Apricity.  Remember I could never get the entire Apricity file to download or, when I did, the checksum didn't match. But Archbang would not be a problem for me to try.)

Would you guys have any thoughts concerning the best way to approach the problem I'm now having with this computer's heat?  If you had to put an alternative distribution on the internal drive to reduce heat, which way would you go?  Windows or Linux?  :-\
 
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 01, 2015, 07:05:36 am
OK you've confused me perknh (sometimes easily done) .. what exactly is the problem ?

are you saying your laptop runs overly hot under Peppermint, but cooler under Windows or other Linux distros ?
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: VinDSL on August 01, 2015, 08:41:31 am
I'm sorry, but I have to chuckle at the magnitude of this latest microsoft fiasco.

The winders 10 storm hit Arizona this week.  I've been listening to horror stories at my workplace - much the same as the above. 

My wife's 'vista' machine is looking better all the time.  At least you *know* what you're dealing with... LoL   :D
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: VinDSL on August 01, 2015, 09:34:05 am
Would you guys have any thoughts concerning the best way to approach the problem I'm now having with this computer's heat?

I've been reading about this 'summertime blues' phenomena since the last century.  It happens every summer, and the 'cure' is always the same.

IMO the #1 best way to deal with 'computer heat' is to regularly blow out your machine with a real air compressor (90-125 psi).  In dusty Arizona, once a month isn't too often.

On desktops, you can't go wrong by adding extra case fans.  The more wind you're pushing or pulling, the better.  I know a guy that actually installed a clothes dryer exhaust on his case, in order to vent the 'computer heat' outside his house.  I think that's a little excessive, but whatever floats your boat.

Concerning laptops, specifically (I live in one of hottest spots on the planet) I always run them on top of a 'lap cooler' - even if I'm using them on a table or desk.  This is NOT for cooling my lap.  It's for cooling my laptops, themselves - removing hot air that gets trapped underneath them, and cooling the chassis.  You don't need to spend a lot - the fans only last a year or two, then they get noisy.  The 'lap coolers' I'm currently using are (like) USD $7.00 each  ;D

Well PCNetSpec and AndyInMokum, you're brave souls!  ;D

I supposed I could install the darn thing (Windows 10), and then not use it --putting Peppermint on my external drive so it would boot up first.

Here's what I do..

I have 4 machines (2 laptops, 1 netbook, and 1 desktop) running various vers of Peppermint.  The desktop machine is triple-booted with Ubu 10.10 (my emergency backup OS, when all else fails) and the latest Ubu dev branch.

I also have 2 bootable USB sticks:

1 stick contains the Peppermint 6 ISO that everyone downloads from the official website.  I can experiment to my heart's content on this stick, and it reverts back to a 'fresh install' on reboot, e.g. no harm, no foul.

1 stick contains a full Peppermint 6 install.  I use this to test long-term haxor on various platforms - actually, any machine I happen to run across, that allows me to boot from a USB port. 

That pretty much covers all_the_bases for me...   8)
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: perknh on August 01, 2015, 11:16:05 am
OK you've confused me perknh (sometimes easily done) .. what exactly is the problem ?

are you saying your laptop runs overly hot under Peppermint, but cooler under Windows or other Linux distros ?

Hello PCNetSpec, and thank you VinDSL,

Yes, it seems to be hotter later than usual.  It's been creeping up to 46 C, and when I was playing with a Windows 7 installation recently, it crept up to about 41 C.  And I always have a laptop fan running under this computer.  I'm not tech savvy enough to take the computer apart as VinDSL is able to do.  (I took an aptitude test once and, believe me, you don't want me to even screw in a light bulb for you. Seriously. )  But VinDSL is correct this appears to be a summertime problem.

But to directly answer your question, Peppermint has been getting so hot lately that I lose Internet connectivity at times.  Would the lighter ArchLinux distro with Openbox be easier on my resources, or do you think running Windows would help?  Or maybe just trying a new kernel, say 3.19, for Peppermint?  My computer itself is kept quite clean, so I don't believe I have much dust built up.  You've tried Windows 10:  You might have a sense of how light it would be on resources. (I just hate the idea of losing one Linux distribution because of excessive heat during just a few rough weeks of the summer.)  Remember I can always run Peppermint on my external drive.

I don't know if my computer would run cooler with other Linux distributions.  I was thinking maybe a distribution with an advanced kernel might help.  I've read advanced kernels sometime make computers run cooler.  But maybe that's a myth floating around Linux circles.  I really don't know.

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on August 01, 2015, 01:38:32 pm
Hi perknh,


If I were you I would try installing an advanced (i.e. a more recent) kernel in your Peppermint Six setup. You will always have the kernel that you now have to fall back to in case the newer kernel gives you problems (unless, of course, you remove your currently installed kernel -- something you definitely should NOT do). You can select any of the kernels up to and including the 4.2 release candidates (those listed with rc in the name).


How do you do this? Answer: Check my forum reply here:
http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,2196.msg21368.html#msg21368 (http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,2196.msg21368.html#msg21368) as well as AndyInMokum's follow up reply.

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 01, 2015, 02:33:35 pm
Hi perknh, I think VinDLS's solution is the best.  I've also installed the 4.2 rc4 generic kernel on my 64-bit machine and everything works a treat.  It might help you out to.  It's easy enough to do.  It won't work at the moment on my little Acer Aspire One because PCNetSpec's acerhdf dkms module is failing to compile against the 4.2 kernel 32-bit.  I don't think you have this issue.  I don't have an overheating problem.  So I can't really give an objective opinion.  The laptop cooler sounds like a really good idea though.  As for installing Windows 10.  I wouldn't do it.  My reason being, it's Windows - plain and simple  ;)!
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: perknh on August 01, 2015, 04:47:20 pm
Thank you AndyInMokum, Slim.Fatz, VinDSL, and PCNetSpec,

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As for installing Windows 10.  I wouldn't do it.  My reason being, it's Windows - plain and simple  ;)!--AndyInMokum

That says it all.  Sold --no Windows for me! ;)

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Hi perknh, I think VinDLS's solution is the best. --AndyInMokum

Okay, I took a major leap today, and opened what I could of the center portion of the back of my laptop.  I only had one tool (a tiny Phillips-head screwdriver) that could do that, but I did so.  There wasn't much dust at all, but I removed the few specks I saw.  I need the right set of tools to open up the entire back of the computer.  Maybe I have dust lurking elsewhere.  If I do, I don't have a way to access it yet.  Still, opening my computer was a major leap for me, and my computer and I appear to have survived this leap.  I'm going Borg --becoming one with my machine!  :)

[EDIT]

AndyInMokum and Slim.Fatz, I had no luck installing any new kernel -- at first.  But somehow, awkwardly,  I managed to install the new low latency kernel after all.  ;)

Right now my computer is running at 44 C.  I believe that number is acceptable.  And mrs. perknh and I always run a cooling fans under my our two computers --always.

I'll now see if this computer begins to run cooler over the next couple of days.

This is my new kernel:

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
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Would any of you happen to know if this new kernel will update itself over time?  And can I clean the other Linux kernel images out of my computer and just keep that one Linux kernel, or is that a bad idea?  There appears to be no extra backup image.  But, as you can see, it is now a bit of a mess in there:

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
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I thank all of you for all of the help.  That was a learning experience.  :)

perknh

P.S.

The spoiler function does not seem to working for me right now.  I don't know why.  But, apparently, you guys can see what I've posted within the spoiler.
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: VinDSL on August 01, 2015, 08:20:50 pm
Sorry to disappoint you, but...

 THIS (https://cisco.app.box.com/s/adatcdtfut1c3tz25sszbztpohezx142) is the "Most useful Windows installation errror message ever" !!! (Video: 03:54) :D

Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 01, 2015, 08:23:22 pm
Hi perknh is there any reason you went for the low latency kernel?  Were you experiencing video or audio lagging issues?  If you weren't, I'd uninstall it and try the standard generic version of the kernel.  It'll be generally more responsive across the board. 

Your CPU is more than likely rated at around 90 ℃.  So 44 ℃ is very acceptable, especially in the summer heat  ;).
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: Slim.Fatz on August 02, 2015, 12:55:05 am
Right now my computer is running at 44 C.  I believe that number is acceptable.

-- snip --
Would any of you happen to know if this new kernel will update itself over time?  And can I clean the other Linux kernel images out of my computer and just keep that one Linux kernel, or is that a bad idea?
Hi perknh,

As AndyInMokum said: 44°C is just fine (that is about 111°F) but I would try to stay below 70°C (about 158°F) just to be on the safe side.

Your newly installed kernel will NOT be automatically updated. You will need to check back to the page that I gave you previously and look for newer kernel versions. Newer versions only appear about once a week or even less often under normal circumstances.

I would keep the 3.16.0-45-generic kernel installed. Why? Because you know that it works -- even if your machine might run a little hot with it. If a newer kernel version gives you problems, you can remove the newer version and still have your working 3.16.0 kernel to fall back and use your computer.

When and if you ever install a kernel other than the 4.2.0-999-lowlatency version you now use, and you find that it works without any issues, then you can remove the current 4.2.0-999-lowlatency kernel. Keep the 3.16.0 as your ultimate safety net, so to say. ;)

Regards,

-- Slim
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: perknh on August 02, 2015, 04:35:32 am
Hi VinDSL, AndyInMokum, and Slim.Fatz,

@VinDSL

That error message will do wonders to inspire people to download and try Windows 10!  ;D

@AndyInMokum and Slim.Fatz

I don't believe I ever did download the new low latency kernel running through your link.  I just downloaded it directly from Ubuntu's site.  I thought I read you guys talking about a low latency kernel so I went for it.

By the way, I have no idea what my CPU temperatures are, those are hard drive temperatures I've been giving you.  I've been going to Disks to check temperatures.  I'll remove that low latency kernel and try reinstalling via your methods again.  I must have been doing something wrong.  And I'll keep my standard 3.16 backup kernels too.

Thank you,

perknh

P.S.

For some strange reason, I still can't get the Spoiler function to work in my posts.  :-\
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 02, 2015, 04:42:26 am
I can't see that a newer kernel will make a difference unless something is broken in the old one (such as CPU stepping/throttling .. or possibly network adapter power saving) .. I'd also expect a low latency kernel to make little difference, but if it did make a difference d expect it to put MORE load on the interrupt controller possibly generating slightly MORE heat (though probably an imperceptible amount).

Nor will having the OS on an external HDD make any difference unless the internal HDD is physically removed/disconnected
(as it'll still be spinning and generating heat)

So I'm missing the line of thought here  :-\
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 02, 2015, 04:47:46 am
Hi VinDSL, AndyInMokum, and Slim.Fatz,

@VinDSL

That error message will do wonders to inspire people to download and try Windows 10!  ;D

@AndyInMokum and Slim.Fatz

I don't believe I ever did download the new low latency kernel running through your link.  I just downloaded it directly from Ubuntu's site.  I thought I read you guys talking about a low latency kernel so I went for it.

By the way, I have no idea what my CPU temperatures are, those are hard drive temperatures I've been giving you.  I've been going to Disks to check temperatures.  I'll remove that low latency kernel and try reinstalling via your methods again.  I must have been doing something wrong.  And I'll keep my standard 3.16 backup kernels too.

Thank you,

perknh

P.S.

For some strange reason, I still can't get the Spoiler function to work in my posts.  :-\
You should maybe try installing the CPU temperature LXPanel applet  ;).
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: perknh on August 02, 2015, 05:04:49 am
Nor will having the OS on an external HDD make any difference unless the internal HDD is physically removed/disconnected
(as it'll still be spinning and generating heat)

So I'm missing the line of thought here  :-\

Hello PCNetSpec,

I have noticed over time that internal HDD is always cooler if I run a distro on my external HDD.  See I don't worry about the external HDD:  It's from my previous computer.  I'm just trying to preserve the life of the computer I have now.  And, you're right, the external is generating heat, but I have found to 3.19 kernel running at the same temperature of the Internal HDD or a few degrees cooler --and that's with Unity! 

But these are HDD temperatures I've been sharing.  I don't have a clue about my CPU temperatures.  Do you think I'm just wasting my time here changing kernels?  It appears to me as if the 3.19 kernel runs cooler than the 3.16.  Maybe these few degrees don't matter much, but I have had a tremendous slowdown with this computer (to the point where's it's just not working at times) during the last couple of weeks --when it's been the hottest here.

My goal has been to lessen the heat stress off of these computers when it's been so hot and muggy around here over the last couple of weeks.

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You should maybe try installing the CPU temperature LXPanel applet  ;). --AndyInMokum

Thank you PCNetSpec and AndyInMokum.

perknh
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: rjm65 on August 02, 2015, 05:18:25 am
Sorry to disappoint you, but...

 THIS (https://cisco.app.box.com/s/adatcdtfut1c3tz25sszbztpohezx142) is the "Most useful Windows installation errror message ever" !!! (Video: 03:54) :D
My two questions are, 1. Why was there no antivirus installed on the machine?  and 2. why did he download the file via email to update his windows when microsoft is not sending it via email they are sending a link direct to your task bar to download it?
If he would have had a good free antivirus on the system and downloaded from Microsoft not via email he would not have ended up with a virus now would he?
So in conclusion it is his own fault his machine was corrupted not Microsoft's...   Microsoft windows is the Greatest OS ever made that is why it is on everyones computer in the entire world because it is the best, the greatest, none is better...  :)
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 02, 2015, 06:31:25 am
If these are HDD temps, I doubt if the kernel is making much or any) difference

the HDD spins at a constant rate and this is where most heat is generated, not so much by the onboard controller or read/write heads .. simply by friction.

OK, better management may spin down the disk more often, but though this may help with overall temp and power consumption it's also also likely to shorten the component life.
It's not heat that damages most computer component (unless its outside their operating range), it's thermal stress caused by continual heating and cooling cycles .. it's generally better to stay hot than to fluctuate between cold and warm.

As long as a components temperature is under its maximum operating temp, its probably more important that it remains fairly stable than to lower it (where longevity is the goal).



Want lower HDD temps (which in the limited space of a laptop can even affect the overall temp)  .. replace it with an SSD  (lower power consumption, less of that power being turned into heat by friction) ;)
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: AndyInMokum on August 02, 2015, 06:41:30 am
Surely the fact the upgrade was done incorrectly is irrelevant.  Compared to the fact that the ransomware was installed so easily.  I say it's confirmation that Windows is inherently vulnerable and insecure.  When you buy a license for Windows, surely it's not unreasonable to expect the software to work out of the box.  It shouldn't be necessary to purchase additional software licenses or have to install additional software to make Windows work.  All this says to me is that Windows is broken before you even install it  >:(.
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: PCNetSpec on August 02, 2015, 06:51:45 am
You have to wonder if people would find it acceptable if someone was able to take control of the steering, throttle, and brakes of say Ford cars and ransom control back to you  :o .. or if they'd expect Ford to immediately remedy the situation and make sure it wasn't repeatable in the future  >:(

You gotta love car analogies ;)
Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: perknh on August 02, 2015, 06:54:33 am
Want lower HDD temps (which in the limited space of a laptop can even affect the overall temp)  .. replace it with an SSD  (lower power consumption, less of that power being turned into heat by friction) ;)

That's the bottom line, isn't it?    If I want to run a cooler computer, and extend this laptop's functional life --get an SSD.  I hear you!  Thank you.  ;)

@AndyInMokum & rjm65 & PCNetSpec

So that's what ransomware looks like!  :o

Title: Re: Most useful Windows installation errror message ever ?
Post by: VinDSL on August 02, 2015, 12:56:08 pm
Sorry to disappoint you, but...

 THIS (https://cisco.app.box.com/s/adatcdtfut1c3tz25sszbztpohezx142) is the "Most useful Windows installation errror message ever" !!! (Video: 03:54) :D
My two questions are, 1. Why was there no antivirus installed on the machine?  and 2. why did he download the file via email to update his windows when microsoft is not sending it via email they are sending a link direct to your task bar to download it?

To put the video into context...

One of my connections on LinkedIn posted this blog article:  http://blogs.cisco.com/security/talos/ctb-locker-win10

Take it for what it's worth.  ;)