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Title: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: perknh on July 22, 2015, 01:01:39 pm
I hadn't seen this article before.  I know it's a little dated, but we still have a very active Peppermint 5 edition, and I'm delighted to see that Peppermint is on this list.

Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary

http://tuxdiary.com/2014/09/18/most-beautiful-linux-distros/ (http://tuxdiary.com/2014/09/18/most-beautiful-linux-distros/)
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: scifidude79 on July 22, 2015, 05:25:54 pm
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Peppermint tends to be cloud-friendly and is widely regarded as “Linux’s answer to the Google Chromebook”.

AGAIN?!  How many people are going to get that wrong?!  Peppermint was here FIRST!

Peppermint One released:  May 2010.

Peppermint Ice released: June 2010

Chromebooks announced:  May 2011

It's not difficult math.
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 23, 2015, 04:14:29 am
What scifidude79 said :)

There's also the fact that the ChromeOS comparison is extremely misleading .. I can't actually think of ANY real world similarities between the two  :-\

Can you ?
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 23, 2015, 05:09:51 am
They both run on a computer, connect to the internet and use a keyboard.  That's where the similarity ends  ;).
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: emegra on July 23, 2015, 05:11:51 am
Chromebooks are annoying

I don't see Chrome O/S as an operating system at all just a glorified web browser




Graeme
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: perknh on July 23, 2015, 05:32:30 am
Look at this way:  Even if this reviewer doesn't understand us very well, we have made to one reviewers most beautiful list --and this is even before Peppermint 6 came out!  Just making it to the list is a plus.  ;)
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 23, 2015, 05:52:58 am
Sorry perknh, we're not knocking the review as a whole, or your posting it here .. just that it contains one of our little "pet hate" inaccuracies ;)
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: aagimob on July 23, 2015, 06:04:11 am
Anyone who use Chrom(ium) web browser in fact use Chrom(ium) OS becouse Chrom(ium) + adds on = Chrom(ium) OS ! Same with Firefox ! Btw,there is not "most beautifull distro", there is most beautifull DE, and for me most beautifull DE is Unity...DI GUSTIBUS NON DISPUTATNDUM... ;)
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 23, 2015, 06:46:35 am
Anyone who use Chrom(ium) web browser in fact use Chrom(ium) OS becouse Chrom(ium) + adds on = Chrom(ium) OS ! Same with Firefox ! Btw,there is not "most beautifull distro", there is most beautifull DE, and for me most beautifull DE is Unity...DI GUSTIBUS NON DISPUTATNDUM... ;)
aagimob is using the "U" word  >:(.  Just joking, each to their own taste  ;).
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: perknh on July 23, 2015, 06:53:25 am
De gustibus non est disputandum is a Latin maxim meaning "In matters of taste, there can be no disputes" (literally "about tastes, it should not be disputed/discussed").[1][2]

--Wikipedia

1.  De gustibus non est disputandum". The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002
2 "de gustibus non est disputandum". Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.DE

Good one, aagimob.  I like the looks of Unity's interface myself.  And I, personally, like Ubuntu Unity's shade of purple too.  It's called aubergine, or eggplant, purple.  Anyway, I think it looks great!

Somebody around here has to stand up for our mother distro!  :)
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 23, 2015, 07:37:48 am
Anyone who use Chrom(ium) web browser in fact use Chrom(ium) OS becouse Chrom(ium) + adds on = Chrom(ium) OS ! Same with Firefox ! Btw,there is not "most beautifull distro", there is most beautifull DE, and for me most beautifull DE is Unity...DI GUSTIBUS NON DISPUTATNDUM... ;)

That's ridiculous....

Chrome (the browser) is just the UI in ChromeOS, but ChromeOS is MUH more than just that .. there's ZERO hardware support or toolchain in Chrome (the web browser UI)
(a closer truth would be ChromeOS is Linux with a web browsefr as the UI)

Kinda hard to see it your way when the browser was about WAY before the OS, and available for multiple platroms  :-\

So according to your line of thought, a Windows user using Chrome is using ChromeOS ?
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: perknh on July 23, 2015, 08:27:17 am

(a closer truth would be ChromeOS is Linux with a web browser as the UI)

Okay, it been finally been acknowledged that we have one of the most beautiful distributions in existence.  And, we here at Peppermint, of course, have known this for a long, long time.  But, here's my million dollar question:  How does Google Chrome OS update itself automatically?  How is Google pulling that stunt off?  We know it has a Linux kernel, but how is it set up so the end user never has to personally update the thing?  I saw that feature back with Microsoft in my earlier Web TV days, and I always liked that aspect of Web TV.  Now Chrome OS is doing the same --and that's one heck of a selling point for any OS to have.

Could we do this in Peppermint if we so chose to do so, say, via Ubuntu?

I didn't realize that this would tun into such an fun and interesting conversation when I posted that not-so-accurate article about Peppermint --with the exception of the beauty part, of course.  Hey, you either got it or you don't.  And, we just happen to have it!  ;D
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: scifidude79 on July 23, 2015, 08:41:19 am
I don't see Chrome O/S as an operating system at all just a glorified web browser

Agreed.

Sorry perknh, we're not knocking the review as a whole, or your posting it here .. just that it contains one of our little "pet hate" inaccuracies ;)

Agreed here as well.

Yeah, sorry, perknh.  I kind of started off the responses with a negative.  Thank you for posting this article.  Like Mark said, I'm certainly not knocking the review or you for posting it.  It just irks me to no end when I see that "Peppermint is the 'answer' to Chromebooks" line.  Ugh.  But, certainly an interesting opinion piece on what that person considers to be the most beautiful Linux distributions and it's nice that Peppermint made the list.  :)
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: perknh on July 23, 2015, 08:49:07 am
Thank scifidude79,

I'm happy to see that Peppermint is finally taking the walkway, but I am wondering how Chrome OS is able to operate without the end user ever having to update.  :-\  I find that aspect of Chrome OS especially interesting.

perknh
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: scifidude79 on July 23, 2015, 08:52:48 am
I agree that it's great that Peppermint is getting that kind of widespread appeal.

As for the whole Chrome OS not needing to be updated thing, I dunno.  I've never used it.  I'd guess that they have some kind of background service that updates it automatically for you.  After all, no computer OS can continue to function without updates, hackers would find the exploits and tear it a new one.
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 23, 2015, 10:09:37 am
I'm assuming it DOES receive updates, just that they require no user intervention and are applied automatically.

Now whilst I can't claim to know how Google have done this, I can only assume that downloads are directly from a repository owned by Google and have some kind of key to verify they're from the right place.

Personally I'd see that as a security risk, a man in the middle redirect and the right key and you're downloading the updates from a bogus repo

at least with Peppermint they STILL wouldn't be able to be applied without your permission/password.
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: perknh on July 23, 2015, 11:37:15 am
Hello PCNetSpec,

I chose to allow Peppermint to download and install Important Security Updates for us here automatically.  I know I have good intentions, but I'd hate to miss some important security updates because I forget to install them.

I'd imagine Google's security practices must be some of the best in the world, but the NSA still got through to Google a while back, so who knows how secure Google is really?  :-\ 

As of now, I haven't heard of any security breaches with Chrome OS.  They have some way of fully updating their OS every time you boot up the Chromebook.  Reboot it, and it's always up-to-date.  That is pretty impressive technology.

perknh

P.S.

PCNetSpec, I see you have a lucky karmic number right now.  Might be a good day to buy a lotto ticket!  Walk away with the ticket and feel like a lucky devil the entire day!!  ;D
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 23, 2015, 11:53:07 am
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I'd imagine Google's security practices must be some of the best in the world

I guess people would have said the same about Microsoft Updates right ;)

http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/flame-burns-microsoft-with-digital-certificate-hack/d/d-id/1137805? (http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/flame-burns-microsoft-with-digital-certificate-hack/d/d-id/1137805?)
or
http://bfy.tw/xcR (http://bfy.tw/xcR)

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They have some way of fully updating their OS every time you boot up the Chromebook.  Reboot it, and it's always up-to-date.  That is pretty impressive technology.

As I ssaid, seems like a security breach waiting to happen to me  ::) .. NO updates should occur without user approval



You can automate the updates in Peppermint (or pretty much any other Linux distro) if you wish .. but it's considered bad and risky practice.
https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html (https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html)
so there's nothing special about what Google are doing.
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: scifidude79 on July 23, 2015, 11:55:14 am
Then you're online and you can't figure out why your pages are loading so slowly.  Oh, it's because the computer is updating.   ::)  This right here is why I like to control when updates are being downloaded and when they're not.  Sometimes, it's just not a good time, so I'll do it when it is.
Title: Re: Most beautiful Linux distros from Arun at TuxDiary
Post by: perknh on July 23, 2015, 12:36:24 pm
I see I'll have to mend my ways here, but I still see this practice, of automatic updating of important security updates, a near perfect solution for some personality types --such as those who just don't pay any attention to their update status ever, or for those who always simply forget to update their computer.  To these kinds of people, who I encounter quite frequently, I now always configure their Linux installations to update automatically.  It was either sporadic updating with these folks, or no updating at all, before I began configuring their computers in this manner.  For these personality types, I consider automatic updating nothing less than a godsend. (Let's be honest:  We all know these kinds of people.)

Me, on the other hand, I don't have much of an excuse for personally continuing this practice.  As Richard Stallman says, I'm doing this for nothing less than convenience.  And, he would be right about that.  I trust Linux a lot --and those were great links PCNetSpec.  Thank you. 

And, good point, scifidude79, I never thought about my computer suddenly going into slow motion because updating was taking place.  But, what you said there makes perfect sense.