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Title: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 01:28:46 am
I'm Just Saying... (http://www.dw.de/calling-all-hackers-the-end-of-windows-xp-support-could-herald-new-security-risks/a-17550595)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 09, 2014, 09:24:00 am
In my opinion anyone still using XP is being extremely self centred, and negligent towards others, it's not just themselves they are putting at risk, more and more XP machines will become bot net nodes used to attack other systems and networks, and the infection vector of choice for hackers and script kiddies that then infect other machines.

XP should IMHO be put down like the lame diseased horse it is ..

either -
a) Microsoft should release one final update that disables its networking stack.
or
b) ISP's should not allow XP machines to access the web (nearly impossible to implement).
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 10:11:51 am
I read somewhere last week that the number of US banks still using XP based software for their online and ATM banking was somewhere in the neighborhood of ninety percent.  Four of the top reasons they give for not upgrading....

1 - It is equated, in their minds, to the y2k scare a few years back which amounted to nothing
2 - The cost & frustration of retraining people to use Win7 (not sure exactly what that's about)
3 - The cost of the upgrading itself, including the labor involved
4 - The fact that they've been using XP for years and have had no problems with it

At the same time they assure their customers that they take security very seriously and have done everything possible to safeguard people's money & account info.  Yeah, right.

I called my bank and, after a several holds and transfers, finally got an answer as to whether or not they were still running XP.  ATMs and Online Banking, I was told, have already moved to Win7 while everything else is being upgraded but should be complete in a "couple of months."  They offered no answer as to why they waited so long to get started and they won't even consider Linux.  Pity. 

A lot of businesses refuse to upgrade, as well.  MS offers them, for a fee, extended support but that does not include security patches. 

So, time will tell, I suppose. 
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 09, 2014, 10:27:02 am
Interesting Windows XP news...
It's Not Dead Yet the British and the Dutch are paying to keep it alive....  :)

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/not-dead-yet-dutch-british-governments-pay-to-keep-windows-xp-alive/
 (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/not-dead-yet-dutch-british-governments-pay-to-keep-windows-xp-alive/)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 10:55:14 am
From what I understand MS Custom Support for XP offers no security updates as they have shut down development (proactive and reactive).  So, while they will help keep XP up and running, security is still a big question mark.   There are, however, third party security options cropping up here and there but their trustworthiness is anybody's guess.  We'll see, I guess.

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 11:13:46 am
a) Microsoft should release one final update that disables its networking stack.
or
b) ISP's should not allow XP machines to access the web (nearly impossible to implement).

Or, and this will probably never happen, MS could allow XP to go Open Source.   :o
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: kendall on April 09, 2014, 12:50:51 pm
Quote from: mac
...and they won't even consider Linux.  Pity.

This is actually not terribly surprising. The vast majority of software for those institutions was written specifically for Windows. Getting it updated to work with newer versions of Windows and newer versions of IE is too much of a problem for a lot of the software vendors. Suggestions that something be rewritten to be cross-platform tend to be met with laughter at best and hostility at worst.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 01:07:33 pm
Maybe in time....
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 09, 2014, 02:32:23 pm
Just got a call from my cousin in a panic, LOL, he is a Lieutenant in special ops for the City of Bethlehem Fire Dept.
He said when he turned on his computer today and he got missing operating system, he rebooted several times same thing... 
I said what OS are they running windows 7???  he said NO they run XP...  I laughed....
I said well call your IT guy they are probably gonna have you upgrade to win 7 now....   
he said yeah they are upgrading the systems slowly, but they have not yet updated his dept yet....  LOL   :)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 09, 2014, 02:44:38 pm
Nice to know my government is throwing away another half billion of tax payers money .. I mean, it's not like they didn't know this was coming  ::)

This whole thing is a joke.....
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 03:46:27 pm
rjm65
Looks like your cousin's ISP  took PCNetSpec's suggestion a step further and just took the whole thing.....

Quote from: PCNetSpec
ISP's should not allow XP machines to access the web (nearly impossible to implement)
  (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/roflmao%20(1).gif)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 09, 2014, 03:50:03 pm
rjm65
Looks like your cousin's ISP  took PCNetSpec's suggestion a step further and just took the whole thing.....

Quote from: PCNetSpec
ISP's should not allow XP machines to access the web (nearly impossible to implement)
  (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/roflmao%20(1).gif)
I have to admit i was laughing very hard when he called... I said ya know John, You had me redo all your machines at your house last year already, and upgrade em all to windows 7, cause you knew this was coming.... so why didn't they know about it???  I mean for real they had a long time to prepare and chose not too....
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 03:54:07 pm
Nice to know my government is throwing away another half billion of tax payers money .. I mean, it's not like they didn't know this was coming  ::)

This whole thing is a joke.....

Gov't wasting money?  :o  All is well in the universe, then.  8) 

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: emegra on April 09, 2014, 04:02:05 pm
Didn't the UK government recently announce they were moving everything over to open source...maybe they're just buying some time so they can implement their open source revolution or they could just be wasting our money

I know what I think :)





Graeme
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 09, 2014, 07:12:41 pm
You still harbour the impression/hope that our government is capable of something that doesn't involve corrupt under the table deals  :-\

They wouldn't know how to trust such an animal  ::)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 09, 2014, 09:22:54 pm
I wonder if Google's driverless cars run XP?  Oh no :o
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: emegra on April 10, 2014, 01:27:08 am
Quote
You still harbour the impression/hope that our government is capable of something that doesn't involve corrupt under the table deals

No Mark it was a poor attempt at sarcasm, I'm well aware of the integrity of our government officials  :(
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 10, 2014, 05:16:59 am
I wonder if Google's driverless cars run XP?  Oh no :o

Keep an eye out for sudden and unexplained crashes where the windscreen has turned blue.

Or cars suddenly turning the wrong way up one way streets, chanting "Access Violation" from the speakers .. again with a blue windscreen

And we'll know.



@ emegra

Sorry mate, I rarely miss sarcasm .. I liked to think  was a bit of an armchair expert at sarcasm, maybe I'll need to re-evaluate  :-[
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: emegra on April 10, 2014, 05:41:23 am
Quote
Keep an eye out for sudden and unexplained crashes where the windscreen has turned blue.

Or cars suddenly turning the wrong way up one way streets, chanting "Access Violation" from the speakers .. again with a blue windscreen

Or midway across a busy T junction the car suddenly stops with the message Windows has shutdown your system to perform an important security update, this is for your safety because we care 
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 10, 2014, 06:54:03 am
I would have liked that .. except for the tiny detail that there will be no more updates for XP ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: VinDSL on April 10, 2014, 07:29:29 am
I'm Just Saying... (http://www.dw.de/calling-all-hackers-the-end-of-windows-xp-support-could-herald-new-security-risks/a-17550595)

The nice thing about all of this is...

In my workplace, I'm forced to use winders - mostly XP, these days.  We still have some W2K Pro machines that control production equipment, but everything else was stuck in a XP time-warp.

Anyway, I guess they saw the writing on the wall and are in the process of updating 1,000s of workstations to winders 7, which requires new hardware, as well.

I foresee a glut of good used machines hitting the market soon - machines that will fly like the wind on Linux distros, like Peppermint.

If history is any indication, you'll be able to buy some perfectly usable desktop boxes and laptops for pennies on the wholesale dollar. 

Wipe the drive(s) install Peppermint, and call it a day.  I see the demise of XP as a win-win for everyone.

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 10, 2014, 07:52:02 am
I foresee a glut of good used machines hitting the market soon - machines that will fly like the wind on Linux distros,

That's the silver lining in this cloud, isn't it?  At least for the Linux world. 
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 10, 2014, 05:15:30 pm
Alternative to Windows XP....

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/alternative.jpg)

PicSource (http://www.zdnet.com/windows-xp-and-the-technology-have-nots-7000028234/)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/roflmao%20(1).gif)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 10, 2014, 07:20:08 pm
Alternative to Windows XP....

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/alternative.jpg)

PicSource (http://www.zdnet.com/windows-xp-and-the-technology-have-nots-7000028234/)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/roflmao%20(1).gif)
No wonder it takes mac so long to reply look at how old his machine is LOL    :D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: VinDSL on April 13, 2014, 01:13:02 pm
Only reason I'll keep winders XP around is for updating my trusty Netgear PS110 (http://support.netgear.com/product/PS110) print server .

Netgear, in their infinite wisdom, required the use of a winders app when setting up and/or updating the PS110 firmware. I've yet to discover a workaround.  This app is hopelessly intertwined into the MS network stack.  If there's a way to cheat_the_system, I haven't found it.

Anyway,  another nice thing about XP being orphaned is; i won't have to spend 3 hours installing bug fixes, security updates, and NSA spyware when I occasionally need to boot XP for simple utility purposes.

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 13, 2014, 02:56:38 pm
Oh great .. another "necessary" reason to have XP keep an active network stack  ::)

Please disconnect it from ALL networks, and have it ONLY connected to that single device for the duration of the update.

From this point on I consider anyone that networks an XP machine a selfish idiot .. if this number is to be believed:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/
the last thing the world needs is a 500 MEELLION strong botnet at the command of script kiddies, criminals, and self styled cyber "activists".  ;)

If I could think of a reliable way to do it, I'd ban all XP boxes from the interweb .. it is now a massive potential threat to EVERY networked system, including those owned by people that were responsible enough to ditch it/upgrade it in time.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: VinDSL on April 13, 2014, 04:27:28 pm
Oh great .. another "necessary" reason to have XP keep an active network stack  ::)

Please disconnect it from ALL networks, and have it ONLY connected to that single device for the duration of the update.[...]

Oh, yes, absolutely - period.  Exclamation point!  :)

I do it on my kitchen table - laptop - print server - cat5 crossover cable , blah, blah, blah. 

Also, I need to reconfig the IPs, subnet mask, subsetting, and all that rot, just to flash the firmware - then switch everything back, when I'm done,  so the print server will work on my LAN.  It's a giant PITA!  Netgear really screwed_the_pooch on the PS110.  All my other Netgear equipment has a built-in UI , so you can do this stuff via a web browser.  Got no idea what they were thinking, when they came up with this proprietary arrangement.  I'll bet there aren't 1:1000 users that can figure out how to flash/setup a Netgear PS110.

That said, I was still like a moth_to_flame, when it came to updating XP.  It always reaffirmed my loathing for MS products, in some odd way, to update their sorry operating system.

I don't need to fight my conscience any longer - which is a good thing.  R.I.P. XP...
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: emegra on April 13, 2014, 05:02:44 pm
Quote
From this point on I consider anyone that networks an XP machine a selfish idiot

Well this selfish idiot has just spend the best part of today switching my small business over to Windows 7 and if my experience is anything to go by I can understand why big business and institutions are so reluctant to do it, Windows 7 is quite frankly horrible

And before anyone says "Why not move to Linux " well if there was a Linux version of Quickbooks or a native Linux program that came close I would have and put to rest any dependency I have left with Microsoft



Graeme 
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 13, 2014, 06:04:23 pm
I know how you feel Graeme.  The wife a few days ago bought from her work, her old i5 HP Laptop (4GB RAM and a 160GB HD).  A great machine that's been maintained by the IT Dept.  It was only €50 - sweet   8).  They did a fresh Win7 installation because she needs 3Ds Max and AutoCad stuff.  She also doesn't want the hassle of getting used to new software or, not finding suitable alternatives.  I can understand her concerns too.  She would have had a Linux distro except for that.  I have got her to install Kingsoft Office though. I know its not Open-source but its better than unnecessarily buying MS Office.  I'm just waiting for some more of those lappies at her work to be retired at the end of the month.  I know at least one has my name on it.   ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 14, 2014, 07:33:21 am
Win7 is a MUCH MUCH MUCH better OS than XP ???

Compatibility issues aside, I really don't get why anyone would prefer XP .. probably just the "getting used to it" thing.

You wanna see "horrible" .. try Win8  :o
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 14, 2014, 10:28:18 am
Win7 is a MUCH MUCH MUCH better OS than XP ???

Compatibility issues aside, I really don't get why anyone would prefer XP .. probably just the "getting used to it" thing.

You wanna see "horrible" .. try Win8  :o
Funny I was going to say the same thing I ran XP up until I found out the machine I bought that had xp on it was 64 bit processor... so i filled it up with the max 8 gigs ram, and installed vista 64 bit and was extremely happy for a year, then upgraded that to windows 7 and I am still happy with my decision... My machine has never edited videos, or ran so smoothly like it does now...  Under XP editing a video was a hit or miss thing, and the voices would not match the lips moving...  Under windows 7 everything is perfect in videos....   :D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 14, 2014, 11:36:29 am
installed vista 64 bit and was extremely happy for a year
??? Uh, you're kidding, right?  ???
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 14, 2014, 12:16:17 pm
installed vista 64 bit and was extremely happy for a year
??? Uh, you're kidding, right?  ???
Nope Vista 64 bit was a much nicer experience then XP, I never had any problems with vista but I no longer use it.... 
My machines are either running windows 7 or they are running linux, my wife and kid use linux daily to go online and play games and such in facebook and surf the web...  I still run my windows 7 tower on a daily basis, only because of programs that I can not replicate under linux at this time, that my business uses.....  :(
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 14, 2014, 12:41:43 pm
Had the same problem before I retired.  I was able to use librecad a lot but had to go back to autocad (Win) for 3D.  I also could never find anything for Linux that was comperable to Windows' SketchUp.  Vista, however, was known as Me II in our neighborhood.  Ha!   :D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 14, 2014, 01:17:21 pm
Had the same problem before I retired.  I was able to use librecad a lot but had to go back to autocad (Win) for 3D.  I also could never find anything for Linux that was comperable to Windows' SketchUp.  Vista, however, was known as Me II in our neighborhood.  Ha!   :D
Well the original Vista sucked, i had so many problems with it i went back to XP, but after sP1 and sp2 it was solid just like win 7 is running sp1.....
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: AndyInMokum on April 14, 2014, 02:39:42 pm
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Me.  Now that was a shocker  :o !!   
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 14, 2014, 02:45:34 pm
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Me.  Now that was a shocker  :o !!

Glad you were able to forget it.......a lot of us are still trying?  Ha-ha-haaarrrr!   ;D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 14, 2014, 03:50:22 pm
Vista wasn't too bad (as far as you can say that about ANY Windows) after service pack 2, and all the hardware manufacturers had drivers out .. in fact I think Windows 7 should never have been sold as a "new" OS, it was really (IMHO) just Vista service pack 3.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on April 14, 2014, 05:25:40 pm
Oh no!  I can't believe you said that!  No Cap'n Crunch for a week.  :D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 14, 2014, 05:30:34 pm
Only after service pack 2 .. prior to that Vista was awful .. and only relative to Win7

[EDIT]

I also need to add - Only Vista with service pack 2 slipstreamed in.
If you start with an earlier version and attempt to update it to service pack 2 online, something WILL go wrong with some of the updates  ::)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on April 14, 2014, 05:42:07 pm
I only ever install Vista sp2 when i install its on the disc already slipstreamed in, and I never had an issue with it, and you are right windows 7 sp1 is basically Vista
sp3 with some extra eye candy.....   8)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: VinDSL on April 14, 2014, 07:33:39 pm
Win7 is a MUCH MUCH MUCH better OS than XP ???

I actually tested the Win7 beta.  1st impression of the UI was... 0.o somebody is trying to make Vista look like a Linux distro.

Haven't used Win7 until recently (they're switching to it at work) and now it doesn't bear any resemblance IMO.

Well, accept that I run the taskbar on the top, like many Linux distros do -- did the same in XP.  So, I guess my Win7 bears a small resemblance. LoL

Hrm... now that I think about it, Peppermint is the only distro I run with the bar on the bottom.  Wonder why that is.  I think it's because LXPanels look pretty bad on the top.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on April 14, 2014, 08:53:39 pm
Oh yeah .. half the tweaks to Vista that became Win7 were straight out of Compiz .. including their much vaunted but ultimately just plain stolen "Window Snapping".

Surprised Win7 didn't have a desktop cube  ::)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on May 18, 2014, 03:58:58 pm
My fellow Pepperminters,
 
I've read a lot of this thread, and I always thought the best kept secret in the computer world is that somewhere around 90% of the world's servers are either using Unix, or Linux right now as we sitting here and reading and  writing this.  90% folks, that's a lot of traffic.  If this is true, and I believe it is, we have to tell our friends still using Windows, the facts of the matter.  They are already using Linux -- whether they know it or not. (Not to mention Android phones, Android Tablets, or Chromebooks -- all Linux!)

The main problem is, from what I can see, is that Linux was late to the party when it came to desktop environments, but with the exception of the die hard LUI-only enthusiasts,  those days are pretty much over.  Look at Peppermints LXDE.  Look at Manjaro's Xfce.  Or, the most obvious, look at Ubbutu's Unity Desktop, or even Bodhi Linux -- which is absolutely gorgeous, and in development right now.

No, I'd say the DE in Linux is catching up quickly to Windows, and it can be argued is some ways it has already superseded Windows OSs. Microsoft  Windows has just marketed itself brilliantly.  But all of Linux is getting better day by day.  Linux has proven itself more secure than Windows, and the DEs now are very competitive with whatever Windows has to offer.

We have to tell people they are already using Linux: they just don't know it.  Maybe, I suggest, they should try Linux on their own computer.  There really is a Linux DE for everyone out here now.  And I still say Peppermint's version of LXDE is the easiest distro to begin with, and we need to have DistroWatch acknowledge Peppermint as a good beginners OS, as well as an excellent OS for all people at all levels of computer expertise.

It's time us Linux users realize we are already part of the great majority.  The world runs on Linux, and is doing so more and more every day.

This is just my opinion here, folks. And if I'm wrong with my general percentage number concerning Linux or Unix servers, please correct me.

And I know the argument against hardware support within Linux.  But that is catching up very quickly too.

There's my 2 cents worth or wisdom, but I'll share it with you freely -- as a good open source man should!

I am concerned about Flash however.  I don't believe Linux has an open source version of Flash, and Adobe Flash, to the best of my knowledge, is not open source.  I'm quite sure Google's version of Flash is not either.  If Linux does have an open source version of flash, I am unaware of its existence.

And since this thread is supposed to be about Windows XP, I did put Xubuntu on one old Dell XP computer, while we wait for the release of Peppermint 5.  It runs about as fast as the old XP OS did.  It really could use an LXDE touch with Peppermint 5.  I'm pretty sure this will speed the computer up considerably after Peppermint is on that machine.

Only one other couple I know, a senior couple, is still using XP.  Their schedules are tight, and, little by little, they are trying to remove what they want to save from the hard drive.  They, too, are waiting for Peppermint 5's release, but I can't install Xubuntu  for them temporarily as I did for the other XP computer.  It's not that easy there.  I've got one shot at one installation, and I've strongly suggested the best OS for their needs will be Peppermint 5  -- the light, and secure,  99% LTS OS, that is user friendly,, and has an incredible support staff.  Really, what more can you ask for?

But I will be much happier when Windows XP is off their computer.  I know they will be too.

Windows XP is not a good OS to be using right now.

perknh
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: _tuter on May 23, 2014, 12:59:33 pm
Alternative to Windows XP....

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/alternative.jpg)

PicSource (http://www.zdnet.com/windows-xp-and-the-technology-have-nots-7000028234/)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9267308/roflmao%20(1).gif)
Ahahaha LOL lmfao
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on May 23, 2014, 02:36:55 pm
Good one, _tuter!

 :D

perknh

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: _tuter on May 23, 2014, 03:14:01 pm
Seriously!!!

Sent from my LG-MS695 using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 17, 2014, 11:20:16 pm
Veterans of Peppermint, I have a question.

I have and old XP computer I'm working on, that has its default XP program, but I has no drivers to connect to the Internet.

If I put Peppermint 4 on this computer, will I then have the right drivers, by default, to connect to the Internet?

I can't get my mitts on the XP drivers that I need for this XP computer, and I really don't want them anyway.  I just need an Internet connection.

Let me just say it was a bad day for me today playing with this old XP computer.  I hope that Peppermint 4 will come to the rescue tomorrow.  I've never tried putting Peppermint, or any Linux distribution, on a computer that did not have an Internet connection.  I'm not sure what to expect.

Thank you,

perknh

P.S.

After the day I've had today, rjm65's words seem so wise to me: it's time for a few Farley's Rusks and a beer!
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on June 17, 2014, 11:54:51 pm
Hi perknh,
Sorry you're having such a bad day.  Are you trying for a wired or wireless connection?  If you can connect the computer to your modem / router via ethernet cable and boot the P4 CD your internet connection should be good to go.  Connecting wirelessly can be a bit more involved.  P5 should be out really soon so you might want to wait for that as P4 will receive no more security updates.  Or, if you can't wait, you might want to consider P3 (still supported).  Either way, IMHO, you should ditch XP altogether.  Good luck  ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 18, 2014, 01:04:10 am
Mac, thanks for getting back to me.  It will be an Ethernet connection, so I'm knocking on wood.  We don't have access to Peppermint 3 downloads any longer, so I guess we'll all have to rough it out for a few more days.  This is from the official Peppermint OS page:

http://peppermintos.com/

I could put Xubuntu on my friend's computer instead of Peppermint 4.  I hope it's not that much of a risk for a few days.  They need their computer up and running.

My wife and I have been using Peppermint 4 for some time now -- on two computers.  We've noticed no problems.

Thanks for getting back to me.  I really appreciate it.  I'm more hopeful now.

perknh
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on June 18, 2014, 05:44:41 am
Truth is you're better off with an unsupported P4 than you would be with a fully supported XP anyway, IMHO.  P4 should be okay for now and you can "upgrade" when P5 is released (or go with P3 when the site opens back up).   :)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 05:49:22 am
I can upload the Peppermint 3 32bit respin ISO (Peppermint-3-20121105-i386.iso) to my VPS and provide a link if that'll help ?
(for PC's that can't run a PAE kernel)

If your PC can run a PAE enabled kernel (so can run Peppermint 4), Peppermint 5 is probably only days away now so you'd probably be better of waiting.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on June 18, 2014, 06:06:16 am
I can upload the Peppermint 3 32bit respin ISO (Peppermint-3-20121105-i386.iso) to my VPS and provide a link if that'll help ?

Classy!
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 18, 2014, 06:33:04 am
Thank you, Mac, and PCNetSpec,

It's a legacy computer -- very, very old.  It's an HP 061 -- if my memory serves me right.

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You two should have seen that computer.  Every 5 to 10 minutes, the antivirus was popping up to block this threat or that threat.  It didn't stop.  Then, there were were several tool bars on the computer I had never seen before.  And there were over 24, 000 compressed files I could never seem to clear out of the machine, nor could I de-frag the computer properly either.  That's why I put the computer back to its default state.  I wanted to wipe that crap out of there before I installed Peppermint on top of all that junk.  I just forgot about the pre-Windows 7 days, when you needed a supplemental DVD for Windows drivers too.   Anyway, these old drivers are no longer to be found for that machine, unless you sign up to some really questionable sites.   

I don't really care about those old drivers anyway.  I just want an Internet connection for Peppermint -- nothing more.  Nothing could be worse than an unsupported XP machine now.  What I witnessed was a nightmare unfolding before eyes.  If I can connect to the Internet through Peppermint 4 today, I'll be a very happy camper.
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PCNetSpec, if you think putting Peppermint 3 on that old computer, instead of 4, would make a difference, I'll do it.  But, if you think these senior citizens can get by with Peppermint 4, as my wife and I seem to be doing, I'll let well enough alone.  You should know I could never get P3 to work on my computer here.  That's why we're running 4.

I'll do what you say.  I can bring two flash drives to that old computer, one with P3, the other with P4 -- just in case one doesn't work.  Waiting is not an option.  They need that computer up and working.  I'd prefer waiting, but I can't.

By the way, I don't know what a PAE kernel is, or if that computer can run one.

Thank you both.

perknh


Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 06:42:16 am
In my opinion, if it'll run a PAE kernel then waiting for Peppermint 5 would probably be best.

If it *won't* run a PAE kernel, then Peppermint 4 won't work on it either and your only (Peppermint) option is Peppermint 3

Nothing wrong with Peppermint 3 though .. it's rock solid, and will still receive updates till 2017 :)



If the PC is elsewhere (so you're not sure about the PAE thing), yeah best to also take a Peppermint 3 copy with you.

Link to follow shortly (it's uploading now, but uploads are always much slower than downloads).
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 18, 2014, 06:55:38 am
Thank you, PCNetSpec,

I'll install Peppermint 3 to another flash drive, and I'll begin there first.  If it connects that computer to the Internet, that's where we'll stay until Peppermint 5 comes out.

When Peppermint 5 comes out, I want to put Plank on their computer.  I want to make it as user-friendly as I can.

PCNetSpec, would you know, off the top of your head, whether or not the instructions you gave me for installing Plank on P4 will work the same for P3?  If so, I'll put Plank on their computer today.

Thank you very, very much.

perknh
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 07:32:01 am
Peppermint 3 respin (32bit) -

The Peppermint-3-20121105-i386.iso ISO image can be downloaded here:
http://pcnetspec.co.uk/peppermint3/

MD5 Checksum:-

05157d6dbd4ab7953870e9ee308a70a5
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 07:39:12 am
Plank ... no I doubt if they'll work for Peppermint 3, they'd probably need some modifications, but we'd have to figure that out on the fly.

If you must use Peppermint 3, can you not get access to the PC whilst we figure it out ?
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 18, 2014, 08:27:30 am
Yes, I can g that access to another computer that is connected wirelessly.  So, if I'm getting this right, you'd go for Peppermint 4 first, and then if that doesn't work, you'd go for Peppermint 3. 

I'm taking from our conversation, that is the order in which I should try this try to do things.

Well, this will take me hour an hour or so for me to get there -- maybe two with the download.   I'll start getting things moving.

Right now I'm going to download Peppermint 3, while still at home.

Thank you, PCNetSpec.  I'm going armed for bear!

I really appreciate this, and so doesn't the woman for whom you have helped so much.

She is overjoyed.   ;)

Thank you, PCNetSpec.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 08:32:05 am
What I'm saying is

a) check if Peppermint 4 will run from a LiveCD/LiveUSB .. if it does, go to (b) .. if it doesn't go to (d)

b) if it does .. wait for Peppermint 5 if you can

c) if it MUST be installed prior to the release of Peppermint 5, and is unlikely to get an upgrade any time soon .. go for Peppermint 3

d) if (a) fails .. install Peppermint 3
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on June 18, 2014, 08:38:11 am
Yes, I can g that access to another computer that is connected wirelessly.  So, if I'm getting this right, you'd go for Peppermint 4 first, and then if that doesn't work, you'd go for Peppermint 3. 

I'm taking from our conversation, that is the order in which I should try this try to do things.
I would boot the machine live USB on peppermint 3 and then follow what pcnetspec tells you to do to find out whether you have a PAE processor or not...
then I would still use version 3, only because version 4 is no longer supported... Putting version 4 on your machine right now is the same as installing say windows 2000, or windows 98, or even XP ,you would never do it cause they are not supported, so why would you install an unsupported linux?
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 08:39:57 am
Maybe a bit of an exaggeration to compare Peppermint 4 with Win2k, XP, etc. .. a valid point though ;)

I'd still consider Peppermint 4 secure for a home user (indeed there are people still using Peppermint One without issue) .. where I'd not touch the Windows versions you mention.

BUT

Installing up to date software in Peppermint 4 will become more of a problem as time goes by .. as the repositories can no longer be updated.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 18, 2014, 08:47:35 am
Okay, I got it.

No, I can't wait -- wish I could, but I can't.

I'll have Peppermint 3 with me, and we'll decide today when my next visit will be.  When I know that, we can decide which of the Peppermints I should install.   rjm65, don't worry, I'm leaning towards 3 right now. 

And thank you, PCNetSpec for that important link.

perknh
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 08:50:41 am
As always, you're most welcome :)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on June 18, 2014, 08:54:41 am
Maybe a bit of an exaggeration to compare Peppermint 4 with Win2k, XP, etc. ;)
Well maybe a bit, but if I had a choice of unsupported 4 or a supported till 2017 version 3, I would take 3 every time.
If The machine is PAE capable I would let it sit and wait for pep 5, if he can't wait well his choices are pep3 if he wants to stay with peppermint or find another distro that has their version out already like linux mint for example or Lubuntu itself...   :)
I had to switch on my one machine because i had NON PAE and i figured why wait for pep 5 when it won't work for me on this machine...
I went with Solyd X  on that machine and the first thing I installed on it was the LXDE Desktop Environment....  Solyd X is a rolling distro, so no need to worry about whether it is supported or not...
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 09:08:26 am
You might .. but the lady might appreciate the "pretties" of Peppermint 4 ;)

I suppose it depends on whether at some point it can be updated to Peppermint 5, and the ladies priorities.



As a side note - it seems the HP 061 has an Anthlon XP 3000+ CPU, so should be supported by PAE kernels such as those in Peppermint 4 and 5.
But Laptops from that era were usually lacking in RAM .. so Peppermint 3 may be a better option.

I certainly wouldn't want to run Mint 17 on an Athlon XP based laptop...

As for looking at different distros .. I get the feeling perknh likes the support and community around here ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on June 18, 2014, 09:28:31 am
As for looking at different distros .. I get the feeling perknh likes the support and community around here ;)
Yes the support here is great compared to others, I still have an unanswered question on mint board after 4 months and 167 views not a single reply...
However Solyd X and Antix I must admit have decent forums as well... But I still prefer Peppermint as an OS of choice, because with the other two aforementioned Distros I have to install LXDE, for they do not come with LXDE as a choice DE....  Solyd x and antix MX14 both use XFCE DE by default... The Only Difference between those two and Peppermint is they are both rolling Distros rather then LTS...  That is after you install LXDE it is hard to see a difference in the the way the 3 operate at least IMO for I don't do much except play games and go online and surf....   ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 18, 2014, 10:36:46 am
We taste nicer .. wouldn't want to suck on a SolydX, or Antix ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on June 18, 2014, 10:51:02 am
We taste nicer .. wouldn't want to suck on a SolydX, or Antix ;)
LOL    ::)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 19, 2014, 09:13:23 am
I figure the same thing, Mac.  You should have seen that computer.  Every 5 to 10 minutes,  the antivirus was popping up to block this threat or that threat.  It didn't stop.  Then, there were were several tool bars on the computer I had never seen before.  And there were over 24, 000 compressed files I could never seem to clear out of the machine, nor could I de-frag the computer properly either.  That's why I put the computer back to its default state.  I wanted to wipe that crap out of there before I installed Peppermint on top of all that junk.  I just forgot about the pre-Windows 7 days, when you needed a supplemental DVD for Windows drivers too.   Anyway, these old drivers are no longer to be found for that machine unless you sign up to some really questionable sites.   

I don't really care about those old XP drivers anyway.  I just want an Internet connection for Peppermint -- nothing more.  Nothing could be worse than an unsupported XP machine now.  What I witnessed was a nightmare unfolding before eyes.  If I can connect to the Internet through Peppermint 4 today, I'll be a very happy camper.

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 20, 2014, 02:09:07 pm
Well, my friends of Peppermint, my Windows XP story continues. I all but put Peppermint 4 on that old infested XP computer a couple of days ago when the unthinkable happened.  The USB keyboard on that old computer, for the vision impaired, was only Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 compatible.  Yep, it all ended there for me.  But today, at WalMart, I've found a gaming computer keyboard with these specs:

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FEATURES   APEX   APEX [RAW]
Low profile keys   ✓   ✓
Backlight color   16.8 mill. at 8 levels   Bright white at 8 levels
SteelSeries ActiveZone   5 zones   -
Anti-ghosting   6 simultaneous keypresses of 20 antighosting capable gaming keys   6 simultaneous keypresses of 20 antighosting capable gaming keys
Macro keys   22   17
Macro layers   4   2
W-key with tactile bump   ✓   ✓
Media keys   Dedicated   Through modifier key
Adjustable keyboard tilt   Two angles (7° & 10°)   Two angles (7° & 10°)
SteelSeries Engine support*   ✓   ✓
Surface material/treatment   Textured/Glossy   Textured/Glossy
Braided, anti-tangle cord   ✓   -
Rubber dome keys   5 mill. keystrokes   5 mill. keystrokes
USB hub   2 ports   -
OS compatability   Windows, OS X, & Linux**   Windows, OS X, & Linux**
Recommended price   $99.99/€99.99   $69.99/€69.99
APEX VS. APEX [RAW]
SteelSeries Apex is designed to give you everything you want and more. With sleek lines and style, the Apex leaves nothing to be desired. Enjoy 88 more ways to win with 22 macro keys each capable of up to 4 macro layers. SteelSeries ActiveZone lighting delivers 5 independent color zones, each capable of 16.8 millions colors for style and function. Set unique colors for each of your macro layers enabling you to not only recognize your current layer faster, but also locate groups of keys with ease. The Apex also includes a few extras like integrated USB hub, independent media keys, and a braided nylon cable.

SteelSeries Apex [RAW] follows in the footsteps of our other [RAW] products and delivers only the essentials for victory. Featuring brilliant white illumination with 8 levels of intensity, the Apex [RAW} has 17 macro keys that are each capable of up to 2 layers.

Both keyboards deliver features like raised macro keys for fast key combinations, tactile bumps on the W key to help you find WASD faster, swappable rubber feet for the most comfortable angle, and anti-ghosting of up to 6 simultaneous keypresses of 20 frequently used gaming keys. And of course, both keyboards are supported by our legendary software, SteelSeries Engine.

* SteelSeries Engine is the software suite that powers both the Apex and Apex [RAW]. Its features are limitless and include:
Unlimited number of profiles to create and store
Unlimited macro creation
Complete button remapping
Analyzed usage via recorded movements and heatmap display
** Full SteelSeries Engine support on Windows & OSX. Linux support is limited to basic HID Keyboard, Windows Key toggling, and illumination brightness control.
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My best guess it would work for Peppermint 5 -- what would be yours?

Also, when installing Peppermint, it says it would be best to have an Internet connection.  Well, the modem says there's an Internet connection, but of course, I'm between installations, so what I have currently is a black screen connected to nothing.

I'm making the assumption that if I can type in all that I need in order to install Peppermint 5 -- computer name, username, password, etc. --  then all will work out for me, and the drivers within Peppermint 5 will connect the computer again to the Internet.

What do you think, veteran Peppermints?  Will this keyboard probably work for the visually impaired? And will it probably work for Linux?  And, then, will Peppermint 5's drivers probably connect to the Internet as Windows XP's previously had?

I know we're just making guesses here.  Any wrong assumptions are permitted!

I think I can pull this one off, but what roadblocks I have had trying to install Linux on that old malware ridden XP machine!   ::)

Thank you everyone,

perknh
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 20, 2014, 02:41:56 pm
Yes, I'd expect that keyboard to work.

What do you mean by "modem" .. do you mean "router" ? .. how is the PC attached to this "modem", ethernet cable/wireless/USB cable ?

Does the LiveCD/LiveUSB boot to a working desktop .. can you set up an internet connection in the "Live" session ?
(if so, then use the "Install Peppermint" icon on the desktop and that internet connection will be used)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 20, 2014, 02:54:00 pm
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... how is the PC attached to this "modem", ethernet cable/wireless/USB cable ?
-- PCNetSpec

Yes, it's connected to a modem with an Ethernet cable, and there is a router coming off the modem for a wireless Windows 7 computer -- the one computer there that is still working fine.   

PCNetSpec, I'm more optimistic than ever now that I'll be able to install Peppermint to that old XP computer, but this time I'm going to wait for Peppermint 5's release.

I'm sure we'll be seeing it soon.   :)

Thank you,

perknh
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 20, 2014, 03:47:57 pm
If it's connected by ethernet cable it HIGHLY likely the internet will "just work" ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 20, 2014, 05:35:36 pm
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As for looking at different distros .. I get the feeling perknh likes the support and community around here ;)
-- PCNetSpec

PCNetSpec, you've got that right.  I tell everyone who will listen, that the support community of a Linux distribution is every bit as important as the distribution itself.

Peppermint is unrivaled.  We have the best Linux distribution, and we have the best community and support forum around -- bar none!

 :)

perknh
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 20, 2014, 06:17:19 pm
Not going to argue with that .. I enjoy being part of the Peppermint community that's for sure .. it's an honour to know everyone round here :)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on June 20, 2014, 06:19:28 pm
Not going to argue with that .. I enjoy being part of the Peppermint community that's for sure .. it's an honour to know everyone round here :)

+1 - what him/her said    Har-har-hardee-har-har........
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on June 20, 2014, 06:31:24 pm
Somehow I knew that wasn't the last I'd hear of that :)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on June 21, 2014, 08:13:59 am
+1 - what him/her said    Har-har-hardee-har-har........
You should just count your blessings that he didn't say He/She instead of Him/Her.....  LOL   ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on June 21, 2014, 09:12:41 am
Yeah......small blessings, eh?
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on July 05, 2014, 04:19:15 pm
I found this interesting I set my parameters for june thru july 2014 and it seems there are quite a lot of XP machines still running live on the internet....
If you set parameters from jan to july 2014 it is a lot higher, so a lot of people did switch and it looks like they went over to windows 7... funny how windows has 90% of all the worlds computers... nobody can seem to break up that monopoly share they have.... 
(http://i61.tinypic.com/vpuh4j.jpg)

Here is the site link:
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qpsp=185&qpnp=2&qptimeframe=M (http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qpsp=185&qpnp=2&qptimeframe=M)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 05, 2014, 04:20:39 pm
I can now saw, with a great deal of relief, that I've been able to convert two old Windows desktop computers to Linux.  The first computer now runs Peppermint Five, and is floating like a butterfly*and working like a champ!  8)

The second computer, with which I had considerably more difficulty, did not seem to handle anything with a Chrome or a Chromium browser base - aura or non aura alike.  On that computer, after lots and lots of effort and time, from both myself, and Team Peppermint here -- a.k.a. the A Team -- I was able to install a functional Xubuntu 14.04.  Hey, good enough!   

Firstly, I'd like to say thank you Team Peppermint.  We took twp old XP computers down, and change them completely.  They are now both up and running again and humming along just fine with Linux.   ;)

And secondly I need to say,
Quote
"Phew!  I'm glad those projects are done!!     :)


* To float like a butterfly was a line made famous from  Muhammad Ali -- a man who helped awaken this country during the latter part of the 20th century.

 

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 05, 2014, 05:58:29 pm
I can now saw, with a great deal of relief, that I've been able to convert two old Windows desktop computers to Linux.  The first computer now runs Peppermint Five, and is floating like a butterfly*and working like a champ!  8)

Great news or, should I say, "The Greatest"   :D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 05, 2014, 08:23:50 pm
AndyInMolum, I like that!   ;)

And to rjm65's point, I hope some of those Windows XP folks will transition over to Linux.  They're getting a raw deal staying with XP.  They don't need new computers, they need to put Linux software on those old machines.  The third world cannot afford the first world's nonsense.  I hope they're beginning to understand this.

Their computers are just fine.  They need Linux.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: AndyInMokum on July 05, 2014, 09:13:48 pm
AndyInMolum, I like that!   ;)

And to rjm65's point, I hope some of those Windows XP folks will transition over to Linux.  They're getting a raw deal staying with XP.  They don't need new computers, they need to put Linux software on those old machines.  The third world cannot afford the first world's nonsense.  I hope they're beginning to understand this.

Their computers are just fine.  They need Linux.

You are 100% right.  Unfortunately, the majority of people in the developed world will struggle until they are forced buy a new rig that can handle MS's latest piece of bloatware.  A  large minority will just run pirated versions of Windows 7 on their machines.  For the vast majority of people, MicroSoft is synonymous with computing and if you do graphics, you use a Mac.  Only a few will see the light.   ;)

The problem as I see it is one of perception.  "Linux is free, so there's either a catch to it or, it must be of an inferior quality".  I've heard people who have never sat at a Linux machine say,  "Linux is rubbish because it can only use Open source stuff and you can't play games on it".  Linux is always described in the neutral singular  >:(.    I've even heard it being called an old fashioned computer system that hardly anyone uses any more.  It is really very depressing how people perceive something because it has no monetary value.

As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink"  :D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 05, 2014, 11:25:10 pm
AndyInMokum

I've heard the exact same lines.  I can't believe how similar our experiences have been.

You know the truth is, AndyInMokem, the vast majority of us in the first world can no longer afford this nonsense either.  It's just most of us here haven't realized this yet.

You make very good points.

Thank you for your comments and reflections.  I bet all of us here have had similar experiences, and have heard the same nonsense from our fellow first worlders concerning Windows, Apple, and then Linux.

This discussion is worthy of a post unto itself.  But, you know what?  You've really said it all -- and in a nutshell!

Thank you very, very much.

perknh

Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on July 06, 2014, 08:33:10 am
I run windows 7 daily but everyone else in my family uses linux... I need a windows machine for my printer for my business, there is no software that can use all the labels I have already made up, and also work the printer, that software is windows based only unfortunately....
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 06, 2014, 10:48:50 am
Hi rjm65,

I've been forced to put Windows back onto my wife's Toshiba Satellite C50-A laptop.  The darn thing is just physically hotter than Hades when running this new 14.04 kernel from Linux.*  But, here's the thing, my wife doesn't want to run Windows at all.  So, sometime today, or tomorrow, I'm going to put Peppermint 5 on an external hard, and run it from that computer's USB 3 port.  I'm going to give her back her Peppermint OS, and give her back her Linux.   ;)

*Her Toshiba laptop, froze up once, and shut down two times from overheating when running several distros based on the 14.04, which is based on the 3.13 kernel.  I finally had to say that enough is enough.  Windows is going back on that machine, and we'll run Linux from an external hard drive.  Shutting down from overheating is just too darn hot.**

**Her computer did squeak by running Solyd X - but it was still very, very hot.  The old XP machines I have worked on have fared much better with 14.04 than her new Toshiba Satellite C50 -A laptop computer.

Linux really can rescue an old XP computer!   :)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on July 06, 2014, 10:53:49 am
Hi rjm65,

I've been forced to put Windows back onto my wife's Toshiba Satellite C50-A laptop.  The darn thing is just physically hotter than Hades when running this new 14.04 kernel from Linux.*  But, here's the thing, my wife doesn't want to run Windows at all.  So, sometime today, or tomorrow, I'm going to put Peppermint 5 on an external hard, and run it from that computer's USB 3 port.  I'm going to give her back her Peppermint OS, and give her back her Linux.   ;)

*Her Toshiba laptop, froze up once, and shut down two times from overheating when running several distros based on the 14.04 kernel.  I finally had to say that enough is enough.  Windows is going back on that machine, and we'll run Linux from an external hard drive.  Shutting down from overheating is just too darn hot.**

**Her computer did squeak by running Solyd X - but it was still very, very hot.  The old XP machines I have worked on have fared much better with the new 14.04 kernel than her new Toshiba Satellite C50 -A laptop computer.

Linux really can rescue an old XP computer!   :)
Did you try Antix MX14 on her laptop? then after installing it go to the metapackage installer and under desktop environments choose lxde I run that on a few laptops and never had any overheating issues, mx14 is rolling so it will always be updated for her...
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 06, 2014, 11:04:43 am
No, but I'll look at that.  ;)

Thank you.

P.S.

I made an error in what I wrote you.  14.04 in the Ubuntu distribution on which Peppermint is based.  But Ubuntu 14.04 itself is based on Linux' 3.13 kernel -- at least so I've heard.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: rjm65 on July 06, 2014, 11:17:45 am
Antix is debian/mepis based so it is very similar to ubuntu but it uses a lot less ram, in fact they give you a choice during install to uncheck stuff you don't need-use-want, and i uncheck about 7 of those, and I am able to get a really light install... Like i said I have an old gateway solo which is a pentium 3 650mhz processor and 512mb ram and I have it booting antix mx14 using 48 megs of ram after installing LXDE, and removing all the junk I didn't need running like bluetooth and samba, and saned, and cups, etc. etc...    ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 06, 2014, 11:48:20 am
I remember reading about antiX-Linux -- probably from you -- in some other posts.

Now I'm wondering if installing antiX on that last XP computer I had worked on would have made my life a lot simpler.

Thank you for this helpful info.  I wish I had considered this idea with that old XP computer.  My heart and mind were set on Peppermint, but in that computer's case, the Chromium-based browser wasn't helping me at all.  I had to go Firefox all of the way.

But I have to say this:  at the end, Xubuntu with PCNetSpec's Plank, emegra's instructions, and Wallpaperswide photos made it one gorgeous looking installation.

rjm65, if I need help, may I send you a PM about this?  Or would we all be better served if I started a new topic concerning antiX itself?

Probably the latter idea would best serve us all.

Thank you, rjm65, for telling me about antiX.

P.S.

And now if I can only figure out how to install Debian correctly!  Even Linux Torvalds has commented about the difficulty surrounding Debian installations.  And that make me feel a heck of a lot better about myself!   ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: chubbychops on July 15, 2014, 03:01:35 pm
antiX works ok ,but for me ,it feels a bit "geeky"(for want of a better word)
i mean it doesn't have that user friendly modern look like peppermint.
That's not to say it's rubbish ,it isn't .

but there's a few minimalist distros that are similar,they work quite well, but just don't look too good.
i suppose it's all down to personal taste or if u have a really really old computer ,then they are very useful.
if you can't run peppermint  ,delicate-0.1-alpha4 , is another one , or nanolinux-1.2 (14mb) or kolibrios or some of the custom 'puppy' installs
or bbq  custom isos. or slitaz-3.0-firefox (29mb) google = SliTaz LiveCD Flavors.
or Porteus-v2.1-xfce-i486.(i think porteus 3 is out now) it's modular based similar to slax 6 or Slax 7.0.8 (slax looks quite good)

p.s.. winxp with posready updates =the way to go.(if u have no choice)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 14, 2017, 12:15:29 pm
Microsoft Issues Critical Windows XP Patch To Protect From State-Sponsored Cyberattacks

By "badass biker" Paul Lilly (https://hothardware.com/author/Paul-Lilly) for Hot Hardware

 https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-critical-windows-xp-patch-protect-cyberattacks#1fYYExv6wiABFxE7.99
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: pin on June 14, 2017, 02:51:34 pm
@chubbychops
Porteus is at version 3.2.2 since december 29th.
I used the Xfce version as a portable OS until a few weeks back. It can look good once you have done some configuration work.
I've just switched to void as a portable distro just to try a few things...
Among others, enlightement DE and musl library in place of glibc.

Also to see how it looks like...afterall they have a version for Android mobiles! Running linux on my Samsung maybe very close!

Skickat från min SM-G900F via Tapatalk
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: spence on June 14, 2017, 03:59:31 pm
Interesting Windows XP news...
It's Not Dead Yet the British and the Dutch are paying to keep it alive....  :)

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/not-dead-yet-dutch-british-governments-pay-to-keep-windows-xp-alive/
 (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/not-dead-yet-dutch-british-governments-pay-to-keep-windows-xp-alive/)

i would hazard a guess a vast swath of BigFedGov in USA is also paying to keep it alive... there's little focus on that line item in most agencies' budgets and retraining geriatric employees is a mindnumbing process ...

besides, it makes safe territory for deep web nefariousness ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: spence on June 14, 2017, 04:08:10 pm
Nice to know my government is throwing away another half billion of tax payers money .. I mean, it's not like they didn't know this was coming  ::)

This whole thing is a joke.....

there you go again, injecting logic into a space where none exists...  ::)

governments are designed to find ways to spend more dollars... since like forever  :'(
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: spence on June 14, 2017, 04:13:14 pm
I'm Just Saying... (http://www.dw.de/calling-all-hackers-the-end-of-windows-xp-support-could-herald-new-security-risks/a-17550595)
I foresee a glut of good used machines hitting the market soon - machines that will fly like the wind on Linux distros, like Peppermint.

If history is any indication, you'll be able to buy some perfectly usable desktop boxes and laptops for pennies on the wholesale dollar. 

Wipe the drive(s) install Peppermint, and call it a day.  I see the demise of XP as a win-win for everyone.

Except, that won't happen... when machines are finally released... most are ordered to be destroyed... knowing that the techs will not have either the time or the knowhow to wipe the thousands of drives... #BigFedGovLogic
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: spence on June 14, 2017, 04:29:53 pm
Microsoft Issues Critical Windows XP Patch To Protect From State-Sponsored Cyberattacks

By "badass biker" Paul Lilly (https://hothardware.com/author/Paul-Lilly) for Hot Hardware

 https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-critical-windows-xp-patch-protect-cyberattacks#1fYYExv6wiABFxE7.99

sorry folks, just noticed the date on the original thread....  and noting this is todays' addition to it... am hazarding a guess that a whole lot of the USA's ( if not the world's) electric grid still has XP machines in place... and there's the real threat...

back to the other half's time in #BigFedGov, they were still using Xerox GUI machines & software well into the 90's because no Apple or MS software could handle the fonts needed for the 55+ languages his agency worked in daily... that agency being Voice Of America...

I think they eventually updated to WinXP in '04 and were still using that when retired & we scampered out of DC back in '08...

to say his elderly underlings were able to adjust... well, no they never did... 
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on June 30, 2017, 02:31:25 pm
Quote
Still Using WinXP? --mac

London Met Police’s 18,000 Windows XP PCs is a disaster waiting to happen

By Sean Chan for MSPoweruser

https://mspoweruser.com/london-metropolitan-polices-18000-windows-xp-pcs-is-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/ (https://mspoweruser.com/london-metropolitan-polices-18000-windows-xp-pcs-is-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/)

Quote
The majority of PCs used by the London Metropolitan Police are still running Windows XP, which has been completely unsupported since 2014. --Sean Chan

:o



Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: The PoorGuy on June 30, 2017, 07:46:00 pm
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Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 01, 2017, 06:05:18 am
Think of all of the other institutions still using Windows 2000 and Windows Xp with no support.

Credit and Banking Agencies plus all of the Medical Facilities etc.  :o

Before I credit card anywhere I ask what OS is being used and I'm surprised that the clerks actually know.

I've seen this with medical facilities myself, but I never even thought about this concerning our credit cards until you posted.
 What a dreadful thought.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 01, 2017, 09:56:08 am
The vast majority or "point of sale" software is still running on XP .. bot Microsoft are still providing support for XP POS.

The real problems will come when they eventually drop that support, because you can bet most shops STILL won't have upgraded.

I'm also not 100% sure I want our police files entered into Windows 10 where Microsoft have access to them (as spelled out in the EULA) .. and though it may be "securer" than XP it's still far from "secure".
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: perknh on July 01, 2017, 01:05:55 pm
This is so crazy, PCNetSpec.  You've got two of the best UK-based open source distributions in the world right there in cheery old England --Ubuntu and Peppermint.  But, instead, London's Metropolitan Police Department is still playing around with Windows XP. ::)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 01, 2017, 02:25:37 pm
nutz innit ::)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: murraymint on July 02, 2017, 02:44:20 pm
Ubuntu 'weaponised' to cure NHS of its addiction to Microsoft Windows (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/30/nhsbuntu_nhs_revolution/)

I like the clickbait headline. Weaponised software. I recently weaponised some of the command line tools against myself so it can be done  ;D
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 02, 2017, 02:47:13 pm
LOL .. I'd seen that NHSbuntu earlier, and the pure timing would bother me ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: scifidude79 on July 03, 2017, 09:23:46 am
It's kind of like some of the computers we have at work that, when you open Google Chrome, tell you that they'll soon stop receiving Chrome updates because XP and Vista are no longer supported.  ::)

There's a LOT of XP still around in businesses and government agencies due to the cost of upgrading.  Not only do they need to upgrade the OS, but they need to upgrade the hardware to run the OS, no doubt.  Plus, they have to worry about specialized programs that they've sunk lots of money into not working on the new OS.  There's a lot more to it than there is for home users, and the bigger the operation, the more there is to it.  Microsoft is still supporting XP for business and whatnot, provided they keep paying for that support.  Whatever they pay, it must be less than the cost of upgrading to newer systems.

Though, some of the stuff where I work also runs on Linux.  Mainly our handheld scanners, but there's some Linux present.   8)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: grafiksinc on July 05, 2017, 09:09:45 am
Look...... I am not ashamed to admit I that "yes" I am a XP user to this day.  :'(
Sure it has no network connection and it has not been updated in ages.....
But when I bought way back in 2007 in the discount bin  Rise of NationsShogo: Mobile Armor Division, and Homeworld I had no idea they would be such time consumers.
In my defense.... I could not bare to spend more money on Windows, so never upgraded, since moving to Linux.
So in the name of nostalgic  games.........yes I run XP.  :P

In all seriousness though I agree with many points in this discussion  8)

But....good games right!.



 
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: PCNetSpec on July 05, 2017, 09:25:33 am
As long as it's internet disabled (so not a risk to everyone else .. as a bot, or malware server) then I have no problem with people using XP.

But it should NOT be connected to the internet because it's then everyones problem.

IMHO, anyone using XP with a connection to the outside world is being selfish and inconsiderate to everyone else .. you're free to risk your own data, you should not be free to cause problems for others .. if it were left up to me I'd push Microsoft to release an update that removes the networking stack from XP.
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: mac on July 05, 2017, 09:56:37 am
I might also add that, even if you're not connected, you would need to careful sharing files via usb / flash drives with other computers.  It would be possible to bring in a worm/virus via files from a computer that is connected and then pass it on via usb to another computer.  Just a thought... (I do have them once in a while).   ;)
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: GNULINUX on July 05, 2017, 11:06:39 am
Because I know you all love XP...  :P

Pure Old School and Bad to the Bone:

(http://i.imgur.com/Z8rVy1j.png)

RatioMaster included! :o


PS: Needless to say that's only for legal torrenting!
Title: Re: Still Using WinXP?
Post by: scifidude79 on July 05, 2017, 11:15:14 am
Because I know you all love XP...  :P

Sadly, yes.  It's probably the second best version of Windows, in my humble opinion.  Only Win98SE beats it in my book.  Man, I loved me some 98SE back in the day.

I have actually considered putting XP on a Virtual Box (no web connection) just to play some old games that don't work with WINE.