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Title: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 02, 2015, 05:46:28 pm
After watching the decline and fall of my beloved Maxthon Cloud Browser for Linux,  I became aware of a new browser today called Vivaldi.  What makes the release of Vivaldi noteworthy is that it is founded by the co-founder of Opera browser itself -- Mr. Jon Stephenson von Tetzchner.*  Although the Vivaldi web browser is still in alpha, from what I've read and heard; this browser does sound promising.

Vivaldi does not yet support extensions, and I'm not going back to living without a password manager.  Still I intend to download Vivaldi to see if this browser is as promising as I've heard it is.  Support has already been requested for Vivaldi web browser within LastPass' forum.  I figure this means that somebody over there using LastPass must like what they see with Vivaldi.

*Source:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser))

Here's the link to Vivaldi's home page: 

https://vivaldi.com/#Home (https://vivaldi.com/#Home)

Here's a link from CNET too.  It's an in-depth article about Vivaldi written by Stephen Shankland.

 http://www.cnet.com/news/ex-opera-ceo-launches-new-browser-vivaldi/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/ex-opera-ceo-launches-new-browser-vivaldi/)

Update a few hours later:

I've downloaded Vivaldi.  Here's some more info.  Out of concerns of privacy, I did replace one person's name in the Profile Path with asterisks:


Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
Vivaldi Technologies AS.
Copyright 2015 Vivaldi Technologies AS. All rights reserved.
Vivaldi is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other open source software.
Vivaldi Terms of Service
Vivaldi   1.0.83.38 (Developer Build) stable
Revision   8f9d1290877e0b245476c552f2ea85af82631bd2
OS   Linux
Blink   537.36 (@75a856054a8882e6e0f3cd0c9faac98da1ccb351)
JavaScript   V8 3.30.33.15
Flash   11.2.999.999
User Agent   Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36
Command Line   /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable --always-authorize-plugins --ppapi-flash-path=/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so --no-first-run --flag-switches-begin --flag-switches-end
Executable Path   /opt/vivaldi/vivaldi
Profile Path   /home/******/.config/vivaldi/Default
Variations   ed1d377-e1cc0f14
[close]

At this point in Vivaldi's development, the fonts are too tiny for my eyes, and I've yet to figure out a way to enlarge them.  However I can see aspects of the old classic Opera within Vivaldi's user interface.

Now, do I think there might be somebody else here in Peppermint forum who might have fun exploring this browser which is still in development?   Yes, I suspect VinDSL might enjoy exploring Vivaldi.  However, unlike myself, he would have added benefit of knowing what he was doing too!  ;)

Now, for my two cents worth of wisdom concerning this browser:  I do agree with what I've read and heard about Vivaldi.  There is promise here!  :)

Second update, an hour later still:

Vivaldi has gone completely dark on me.  I guess this is what they mean when they say that a browser is in development.  Yes, I went to Vivaldi forum, and it's a verified bug!  Tomorrow I'll see if Vivaldi is up and about again.

Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: iamesperambient on February 04, 2015, 07:56:41 pm
ill have to check it out. i actually liked opera a lot but removed it because it seemed 'dated' firefox
so fire with a maxathon theme (because i hate its native metallic like look) is the best i have found
so far but if someone makes a better browser im willing to try it.
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: iamesperambient on February 04, 2015, 07:58:11 pm
oooh the interface of the browser is simple and nice too ya im gonna try this how to i get it?
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: iamesperambient on February 04, 2015, 08:01:31 pm
what a shame there isn't a 32 bit package so i can't try it :( it looks really good too  :'(
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: AndyInMokum on February 04, 2015, 08:15:36 pm
I just installed Vivaldi.  That is really sharp and progressive looking.  You can see its Opera heritage.  I really like the clean lines and simple interface.  I'm going keep this one and keep an eye on its progress.  Justin, this would be just up your alley if it were 32bit ;)!!
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 04, 2015, 08:18:46 pm
 Hello iamesperambient and AndyInMokum,

iamesperambient, I know, it looks like it's going to be very nice.  But be careful; it's still in development. 

I've yet to learn how I can enlarge the font size so I can see it well enough to read, and it doesn't support extensions yet.  And, on top of all this, it has gone dark on me too.  I had nothing but a black screen for about 15 minutes, while I kept trying to reboot it. 

Still, Vivald does look promising.  I'm hopeful. :)

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Quote from: AndyInMokum on Today at 08:15:36 PM
I just installed Vivaldi.  That is really sharp and progressive looking.  You can see its Opera heritage.  I really like the clean lines and simple interface.  I'm going keep this one and keep an eye on its progress.  Justin, this would be just up your alley if it were 32bit ;)!!

And AndyInMokum,

I agree it looks really great, but have you figured out a way to enlarge its font size?

I"m having difficulty reading within the browser, but, it's a modern version of Opera for sure.  ;)

perknh
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: AndyInMokum on February 04, 2015, 08:36:30 pm
Hi perknh, from a quick look, there is a slider in the bottom right corner.  That resizes the whole page.  I guess that is how its done for now.   Being able to change the font size separately would be nice.  Hopefully that will be included as the browser develops  ;).
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 04, 2015, 09:15:40 pm
Hello AndyInMokum,

Now I'm able to post here from Vivaldi.

I had clicked on the 100%, and nothing happened.  But now I see how very clever that feature is; I never realized that it was a slider.  ::)

Thank you,

perknh

Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: iamesperambient on February 08, 2015, 04:14:37 pm
do you think they will make a version for 32 bit?
i really want to try this but i cant as my system is 32 bit.
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 08, 2015, 04:51:44 pm
Hi iamesperambient,

I'm not sure, but I thought Vivaldi was 32 bit for the time being.

Sources:

Code: [Select]
https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-browser/858-quit-complaining-people-it-s-a-technical-preview?start=20#12834

Code: [Select]
https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-browser-for-mac/1611-hard-crash-logging-in-to-facebook-on-mac-os-10-6#14162

Opera, Vivaldi's step-mother, is telling people with 32 bit machines to continue to use Opera 12.16 -- so there's more support there over at Opera than I imagined.

And, here's the source of that info -- six questions down:

Code: [Select]
http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/12/frequently-asked-questions-opera-linux/

perknh

P.S.

It looks to me as if Vivaldi will be a very secure browser.
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: iamesperambient on February 09, 2015, 11:41:18 am
Hi iamesperambient,

I'm not sure, but I thought Vivaldi was 32 bit for the time being.

Sources:

Code: [Select]
https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-browser/858-quit-complaining-people-it-s-a-technical-preview?start=20#12834

Code: [Select]
https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-browser-for-mac/1611-hard-crash-logging-in-to-facebook-on-mac-os-10-6#14162

Opera, Vivaldi's step-mother, is telling people with 32 bit machines to continue to use Opera 12.16 -- so there's more support there over at Opera than I imagined.

And, here's the source of that info -- six questions down:

Code: [Select]
http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/12/frequently-asked-questions-opera-linux/

perknh

P.S.

It looks to me as if Vivaldi will be a very secure browser.

i had opera and liked it but didnt like the interface. and it seemed 'dated'. i tried again to get this vivaldi browser but again
only has a 64 bit download :( im very sad it seems like this could be better than firefox for me in terms of service and interface oh well
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 09, 2015, 01:24:32 pm
Complain to Opera .. not doing a 32bit version is stupid ::)

That said, as the new Opera uses Googles Blink layout engine (WebKit fork) and AURA graphics .. it's really just a modified Chromium to me, so who cares ;)
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 09, 2015, 04:29:18 pm
I was hoping that the old Opera browser, with the Presto browser-engine, would become open source; but I don't know how realistic this hope may be.  :(
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: PCNetSpec on February 09, 2015, 05:37:47 pm
Erm, am I missing something here  :-\ .. click the link below

Opera 12 is now open source project under the GNU GPL (http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=12%20is%20now%20open%20source%20project%20under%20the%20GNU%20GPL.%20Here%20is%20the%20source%20code)
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 09, 2015, 06:23:55 pm
Erm, am I missing something here  :-\ .. click the link below

Opera 12 is now open source project under the GNU GPL (http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=12%20is%20now%20open%20source%20project%20under%20the%20GNU%20GPL.%20Here%20is%20the%20source%20code)

No, PCNetSpec, you're not missing a thing.  I am the one that missed this wonderful news.  :o

I saw that the petition for Opera to go open source had died, so I thought that Presto was in the process of going belly up.  How glad I am I was wrong!  :)

This news has made my day.

Thank you,

perknh

P.S.

So this must be the reason why I can install Opera through the terminal.
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: WallyA on February 09, 2015, 06:41:56 pm
Well I was going to give it a spin, but have uninstalled two system crashes later.  I never got to surf with it, opening the browser settings crashed my system.  Seems it is even more adept at crashing my T61 than Chrome is  >:( 

(Chrome is pretty stable w/ hardware acceleration turned off, but Netflix is useless w/o it)
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 09, 2015, 07:04:32 pm
Well I was going to give it a spin, but have uninstalled two system crashes later.  I never got to surf with it, opening the browser settings crashed my system.

Hi WallyA,

If you're talking about Vivaldi, I know what you mean.  My computer does not play well with Vivaldi at this time either --but it is still in early development.  But, if you're talking about Opera, there are two versions now -- the old Opera 12.16 (which is 32 bit and is now open source), or the new Opera (stable, beta, or dev), which is only for 64 bit computers at this time.

Of which browser are you referring?

perknh

Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: WallyA on February 09, 2015, 08:22:34 pm

Hi WallyA,


Of which browser are you referring?

perknh

I was referring to Vivaldi - it is the subject of the thread but I guess I should have been clearer since Opera is also being discussed. 
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on February 09, 2015, 11:21:07 pm
I was referring to Vivaldi - it is the subject of the thread but I guess I should have been clearer since Opera is also being discussed. 

Yes, that's what it sounded like to me, but I wasn't completely certain.

WallyA, I had to uninstall Vivaldi.  Every time I used Vivaldi my screen would go black on me.  Finally I decided I needed to wait for its further development before I tried it again.  I mean, who can work with a black screen?

Right now my wife and I are using both Chromium and Opera.  But PCNetSpec is right; Opera is really a modified Chromium.  So I guess you could say that she and I are just using Chromium in different forms.  I, personally, like the stacking ability of the new Opera, and the way it can be set to show tab previews.  But, I'm not convinced my wife is as charmed with the new Opera as I am.  She looks at Chromium browser as a work horse, while I look at Opera as a work in process.

Vivaldi, believe it or not, is using Chromium's open source project too.  So I guess it's either Firefox or Chromium for most Linux users -- in one form or another.  Still, there's the old Opera browser using Presto as its browser-engine.  I don't know secure it is, but I'm hopeful its development will continue over time.

And, as for Vivaldi, we'll just have to wait and see.

Thanks a lot, though.  Interesting as the project is, I can see now I'm not the only person who was having problems with Vivaldi.

perknh

Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: VinDSL on February 15, 2015, 01:44:38 pm
Good read...

SUMMARY:  Vivaldi, by the original developers of Opera, challenges Chrome with an array of features and modern code. While Spartan browser remains unreleased, users can enable many of its features, including the rendering engine, in the latest build of Windows 10 (build 9926). Users can customize the speed dial by bookmarking a page and adding the link to the speed dial folder.

ARTICLE:  Watch out, Chrome, there's two new browsers in town! (http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/watch-out-chrome-theres-two-new-browsers-in-town/)
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on April 15, 2016, 06:16:03 pm
Vivaldi: 7 features that give new browser an edge over Chrome, Edge, Opera and Firefox

By Sayan Sarkar for International Business Times

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vivaldi-7-features-that-give-new-browser-edge-over-chrome-edge-opera-firefox-1554517 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vivaldi-7-features-that-give-new-browser-edge-over-chrome-edge-opera-firefox-1554517)

I don't know, but I guess I'm not a power user.  Maybe I need to spend more time using Vivaldi, but I seem to prefer the stacking of tiles in Opera to the stacking of tabs anywhere.  I'm not saying that Opera has its act together yet (For instance, the names of the sites on my bookmarks bar have been grayed out for a month now --and that's just one example.), but Opera is improving little by little and it's slowly becoming user-friendly.  The new Vivaldi seems an awfully like an updated version of Opera from yesteryear.  So I guess that's why the Vivaldi folks are calling Vivaldi a modern classic.  ;)

For those who would like to try out Vivaldi Stable.  Here's the link below.  Who knows?  You might like it.  I'd probably use it myself if I could stack the tiles in the Speed Dial as I do right now in Opera.  Vivaldi's advanced settings are easier to configure than Opera's.  In Opera you need to use a silly finger code to get into advanced settings.

Anyway, here's the link to Vivaldi Stable:

https://vivaldi.com (https://vivaldi.com)
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: zebedeeboss on May 02, 2016, 07:24:57 am
Hi

Freshly installed Vivaldi and I must say its quite good.  You can use chrome extensions too, will see how it goes for the next week or do I keep opening Firefox :)
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on May 02, 2016, 08:06:16 am
I'm looking forward, zebedeeboss, on hearing how this goes for you.  The last I read, Vivaldi had a bug that did not permit the user to drag and drop one speed dial thumbnail into another.  I wonder if Vivaldi is really going to sort that one out.  Or if Vivaldi is going to keep the thumbnails in the Speed Dial the way they are right now.  You know, sometimes well-intentioned people say things in the forum that aren't so. 

Right now Vivaldi reminds me a lot of the old classic Opera 12.16, but with the security and compatibility of Chromium's rendering engine.  This first stable release of Vivaldi is clearly an improvement over Opera 12.16.   ;)

zebedeeboss, I hope you enjoy and have a lot of fun with Vivaldi.  :)
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: jozefmw on May 10, 2016, 03:54:04 am
I Don't like the sound of Vivaldi because it decides to be the default browser without seeing a way to undo this. 
What can I do to be Chromium my default one again?
Settings Chromium: Chromium cannot determine or set the default browser.
Do I have to uninstall Vivaldi and if so, how can I uninstall Vivaldi using Peppermint 5? Or Is there a simpler way to do that,  so that I can keep Vivaldi to try it out ?
Thank you for any help.
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: perknh on May 10, 2016, 07:02:05 pm
Hi jozefmw,

I'm happy to see that you got your default browser situation settled. :) 

Right now Vivaldi reminds me of an updated version of Opera 12.16.  But it's been the stacking of the speed dial icons, and the feature of Tab Preview, that has kept me using Opera.  But Vivaldi looks solid.  It does look like a very promising browser.  You've inspired me to give it another whirl.

Thanks for the inspiration. ;)

perknh
Title: Re: The Sound of Vivaldi Browser is Music to My Ears
Post by: Alex on May 10, 2016, 07:49:38 pm
I like Vivaldi music.
You have so many browsers. Chrome is the best for me.
Cheers.