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Title: Received netbook with Ppmt on ! [SOLVED] ty.
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 01:28:28 pm
Hi folks, Just received a nice little Asus netbook Eee PC 900 (Intel processor)... with Peppermint OS on it and just got home and started it up ... it's asking for a u/n and p/w so I've asked the chap that I got it from to give them to me ... but so far he's not come back.
Is there anyway to restart the system and work around no u/n & p/w ? Or will I just have to completely wipe the drive and totally start again please.
I've never used ppmt before and have little idea what to do or expect.

All help much appreciated. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 02:09:45 pm
You *can* figure out the username then reset the password, but as you'd expect it's not made ridiculously easy.

First you need to access the GRUB bootloader screen .. usually the easiest way to do this is to turn on the PC and then immediately hit and hold the Shift key until you are presented with the GRUB menu.

Once at the GRUB menu, use the down arrow to select "Advanced options for Peppermint" and hit enter.

On the next screen select the top otion that ends with (Recovery Mode) and hit enter.

When prompted, select "Drop to a Root Shell Prompt" and hit enter.

Now you can try to figure out the username by running this command:
Code: [Select]
ls /home

Once you know the username, you'll need to remount the file system read/write so run:
Code: [Select]
mount -o rw,remount /
then change the password for the username you discovered earlier with
passwd username
(be sure to replace "ussername" with the actual username you found earlier)

You will be prompted for a new username .. enter it, being awazre that nothing will be echoed to screen whilst you type it.

You will be prompted to re-enter it .. do so.

It should inform you the password was changed successfully.

Shut down the PC with this command:
Code: [Select]
shutdown -P now
then fire up the PC and use the username from earlier and the new password.

You can see this info here (wth screenshots):
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 03:23:20 pm
Thanks for all that but ... I've hit Shift and Tab at various times and held down from pre start to after start to various pressing and nothing gets the dos to 'hold' and provide any menu.
The best i can read is something about username unknown ...

So humm stuck ....
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: iamesperambient on January 05, 2015, 03:24:59 pm
what a shame he really should have given you the passwords with your order.
maybe he will respond. hopefully your issue gets resolved.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 03:34:29 pm
the timing can be a bit awkward for hitting the Shift key.

You really need to hit it JUST after the BIOS POST screen disappears, but before the Peppermint loading screen appears.

Your only other options are to

a) reset the password from a Peppermint LiveUSB
or
b) to reinstall Peppermint

Either way, unless you can bring up the GRUB menu you're soing to need a Peppermint LiveUSB stick.

Which OS are you currently running ?

and do you have a 1GB or larger USB stick ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: iamesperambient on January 05, 2015, 03:41:40 pm
reinstallling peppermint is pretty easy if worst comes to worst its a pretty quick process should take no less than 20 mins or less.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 04:05:47 pm
Thanks for all the comments! OK will have 'more goes'!

I see that I can download a 'stick' I'm assuming that this is a 32bit netbook so I guess it's going to be $10 ? or can I download a free version somewhere and then put it on a flash drive then plug that in and hope that it will recognise it and then run ?

I've never used this before so no idea what to expect ! Currently using Win 7 on my Dell laptop. This one is to be used by a lodger and me from time to time if necessary.

I am curious about Peppermint ... not heard of it before but heard of Linux. Just wish my programs would not run exclusively on Win ! Time may cure this I hope! :D

Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 04:12:42 pm
Ahha I've managed to get it to break the prog running and have a gnu grub v 1.98-1 ubuntu5-1mint2

found an option for Recovery so ran it ...
got into a dos like state but now it wants a root password for maintenance !
But it isn't accepting any keys - don't seem to be able to type anything!
It says Cont D will continue so I'll have to do that I think ! 
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 04:21:39 pm
I mentioned earlier that when you type a password at a command prompt in Linux nothing is echoed to screen .. not even ****** but it IS going in, so just type it and hit enter.

That said, you shouldn't be being asked for a password if you select recovery mode and then drop to a root shell prompt
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 04:25:02 pm
Would you like to create a LiveUSB of Peppermint and use that to reset the password (or reinstall Peppermint) ?

and have you got a 1GB or larger USB stick ?

But you should be able to reset the password if you follow the instructions I previously posted.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: perknh on January 05, 2015, 04:40:06 pm
PCNetSpec and AuroraMagic, I've compiled some tools that I've found helpful in the past that should help a Windows 7 user -- just in case you need them. 

And, AuroraMagic, welcome to Peppermint!  What a fun story to read!!  :)

http://peppermintos.com/ (http://peppermintos.com/)

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Security-Related/MD5-and-SHA-1-Checksum-Utility.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Security-Related/MD5-and-SHA-1-Checksum-Utility.shtml)

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/Universal-USB-Installer.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/Universal-USB-Installer.shtml)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 04:55:23 pm
Thanks again!
Sadly my puta fella passed away so now everyone else 'enjoys the woes and trials' of my hazy crazy life!
:) :D
Rarely is anything seemingly straight forward! :)
My 1st puta was an amstrad 6242 ? something like that then an ibm xt with 5.25 floppys! :)

I did get to a recovery listing exactly as you suggested and it did ask for a pw for maintenance ! :)
I can take a piccy if that helps! But I'll try entering the data (I did try but I'll ensure I do) and hit enter.... I'm assuming that the cursor staying at the prompt isn't a worry then ?
:)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 05:04:46 pm
If it asks for a password as soon as you select recovery mode, the only easy method will be a reinstall as the original user obviously password protected GRUB or used full disk encryption.

A reinstall isn't that hard .. but you'll need a 1GB or larger USB stick (thumb/flash drive).. have you got one ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 05:53:04 pm
OK got in again to the recovery boot bit ...
got the the Dos prompt bit and entered 1s home
and it still comes back with :
"Give root password for maintenance"

all the time the prompt cursor is at the command line prompt and flashing - like it isn't accepting the command?

So how can I re-install please, as this is failing ! :(
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 06:03:32 pm
OK we'll have to do this a slightly different way .. but ths is gonna take ages if you keep disappearing.

Can you get the Windows PC and the netbook in the same room, so you can respond to my posts quickly ?

remember to keep hitting your browser refresh button so you can see my replies when I make them.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 06:37:49 pm
OK yes I have a 16Gb flash drive.
Sorry that I kept disappearing - dinner and trying to find an important letter! (from Sheriffs as they are messing up trying to get money back from a shyster who took money then never gave me a car I paid for !) Anyway got the letter now!
I also have a horrid cold thing! sniffle ! :)

OK yes i have both at my fingertips ... :)
I can also use a big spare external drive that I have (in case the 16Gb isn't big enough).
I see that it's recommended that I use the chksum but do I really need to ? :D
OK ready when you are ! :D TY v v v much! :)

Oh I'm on my Dell whiz laptop so it ought to make life 'easy' :D hehehehe
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 06:49:35 pm
Let's try one more time to reset the password, but slightly differently this time

Turn ON your netbook, and as soon as your BIOS POST screen disappears, press the SHIFT key and hold it, until you are presented with the GRUB menu .. SIMILAR to this:
(you won't have long to hit the shift key, and the timing can be a little awkward, so it may even be easier to hit AND HOLD the Shift key DURING the BIOS POST .. ie. immediately after turning on your PC)

(http://linuxforums.org.uk/MGalleryItem.php?id=1361)

Select the 'default' kernel (usually the top one), and rather than pressing enter, press E to edit.

You will be presented with a screen SIMILAR to this:

(http://linuxforums.org.uk/MGalleryItem.php?id=1152)

Press DOWN ARROW until you get to the line that starts with:

Quote
linux /boot

and press the END key to position the cursor at the end of the that line... it *usually* ends with “quiet splash”.

enter a space, then init=/bin/bash

so  the line now ends with quiet splash init=/bin/bash

Now hit Ctrl+X to boot.

You should now end up at a # prompt.

Now run:
Code: [Select]
mount -o rw,remount /
and hit enter

then run:
Code: [Select]
ls /home
(for clarity that;s LS /HOME but it MUST be all lower case)

That should return the username

then run:
Code: [Select]
passwd username
(replacing username with the username you found earlier)

You should be prompted to "Enter new UNIX password" .. enter your new password (remembering nothing will be echoed to screen not even ******, but it IS going in) and hit enter.

You'll be prompted to "Re-enter new UNIX password .. enter if again, and hit enter

You should be informed that the password was successfully changed.

Now hit Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot.

then use the username you discovered and the password you just set to login

If anything doesn't work as I explained it, STOP and yell me where you got to, and what the error is
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 06:58:49 pm
working on it! ...
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 07:02:39 pm
Cool :)

Let me know if you have any problems, or are unclear on some point.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:06:16 pm
ok got as far as -o (o not zero I assume although now tried all options possible) rw,remount
upon enter it says :
-o: command not found
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 07:08:09 pm
yes it's a lower case o not a zero

for clarity

mount -o rw,remount /

There are 3 spaces and one comma in that command

[EDIT]

Also be aware, if that command works it will NOT return any output, it will just leave you back at an # prompt .. if it doesn't work it will throw up an error like before
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:12:17 pm
ahha ok sorry ! ooops D'O'h !

I'm an animator not a programmer ! :D

Anyway tried that and it's telling me a whole load about mount and command that I might enter but no un or anything like it is visible! :(
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 07:14:13 pm
try again

mount -o rw,remount /

There are 3 spaces and one comma in that command

Also be aware, if that command works it will NOT return any output, it will just leave you back at an # prompt .. if it doesn't work it will throw up an error like before.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:15:56 pm
Ahha tried the ls /home and it's come back in blue with :
bobo savs
? odd un but do you think that is all a genuine un ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 07:19:55 pm
that means there are 2 accounts on this PC

If the earlier mount command worked...

run:
passwd bobo
and change that ones password

then run:
passwd savs
and change that ones password to the same password you used for the bobo account

tell me when done, or if you get any errors
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:24:42 pm
Yeeeeeahhhh ! :) Done it ! Wooopeee! :)

TY v v v much ! I know I need a LOT of patience ! :D  Still I'm sure it's worth it for the laughter I created ! :D
(my late fella being a whiz electronics puta software and hardware chap - had me beta test stuff cos I just think differently! ) :D

Right both now have new pw so I will try and restart ?
How do I get back to the main scrn pls ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 07:25:58 pm
Hitting Ctrl+Alt+Del (at the same time) should reboot the PC
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:29:20 pm
ok did the c alt del - found it thanks ... logged in! :D

It's worried about battery power but it's running on mains so fair enough!
Is there a way to swtich users within the system pls ?

Can you run win programs on Ppmt ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:32:21 pm
Ahha sorry found the logout bit ! TY v much for your help ! :)

Is it possible to change the un ?
(dare I ask!)  :-\

So what can I add in this OS pls ?
It has firefox and need to run it online  ... :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 07:35:23 pm
You can switch users by going to

menu > Logout > Logout (button)

Then logging back on as the other user.

Windows apps .. no not reaally, SOME can be made to work but it's a royal pain and not worth the effort
An option is to run Windows inside a virtual machine, but I doubt if youur netbook will really be powerful enough.

Can we get some info about your system please .. I have a nasty feeling you may be running an old outdated version of Peppermint

Can you open a terminal
menu > Accessories > Terminal
then run:
Code: [Select]
inxi -F
and post the output back here .. just copy and paste it

be aware Linux commands ARE case sensitive, so that's a capital F in
inxi -F

I'll answer your other questions in a bit
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:44:38 pm
ok
Single core intel celeron M cache 512 kb

Not too hopeful is it ! :(
I think I reported earlier that it is Ppmt v 1.98 from what I understood ....
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: rjm65 on January 05, 2015, 07:48:56 pm
1.98 geeze thats old. I wonder if it can handle peppermint 5, can you do the inxi -F like pcnetspec asked for earlier, and copy the info to a text file if need be, and put it on your usb stick, and then post info here from your windows machine...
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 07:51:09 pm
I need you to run:
inxi -F

then look (near thre top) for something like
Distro: Pepeprmint Five
or similar.

Ifr you can't find it .. run:
uname -r
and post the output back here

or the output from:
inxi -S
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 07:54:43 pm
ok :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:00:15 pm
still awaiting the output from one of the above ??
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 08:02:14 pm
It says :
Kernal 2.6.32-24-generic i686 (32bit) Distro Peppermint
cpu single core Intel etc cahce 512 kb etc ...

No way of selecting the text and copy and paste ??? Nor any way of saving the file or finding a text editor ! :( So no chance of copying to drive ... not without help :) anyway!

Ran inxi -f and it brought back up the cpu Intel celeron M etc and a whole load of letters ! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: rjm65 on January 05, 2015, 08:04:27 pm
can you take a picture of the screen after running inxi -F and post it somewhere where we can see like imgur.com?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 08:06:07 pm
Yeah I can try ... :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:06:29 pm
Forget the inxi -F output for now... I already have what I need...

OK, you're on a VERY early version of Peppermint .. either Peppermint One or Peppermint ICE or Peppermint Two

You really need to remove that and switch to Peppermint Three or Five.

But for now, do you want to get the wireless working ? .. and do you know your wireless key ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: rjm65 on January 05, 2015, 08:09:13 pm
I dug up specs on the eee900 mark here they are:
http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/901_1000/en/specifications.html (http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/901_1000/en/specifications.html)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:11:33 pm
@rjm65
I know the specs .. I was only trying to figure out the Peppermint version to see if it's worth going any further, or if it needs an upgrade.

kernel 2.6 was only used up until Peppermint 3 .. so whatever version it's running IS out of support and needs replacing.

That doesn't mean she can't have a look around the current version though .. until we get round to reinstalling



@AuroraMagic

See my last posting
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 08:17:08 pm
http://imgur.com/U0ZEOYe
hope this helps.
I reduced the res to help but maybe that wasn't necessary :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:18:59 pm
Forget the inxi -F output for now... I already have what I need...

OK, you're on a VERY early version of Peppermint .. either Peppermint One or Peppermint ICE or Peppermint Two
(all of which are "end of life")

You really need to remove that and switch to Peppermint Three or Five.

But for now, do you want to get the wireless working ? .. and do you know your wireless key ?
(don't publish your wireless key .. I just wanna know if you knw it or not)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 08:22:27 pm
OK can't find the wireless facility ! It all seems hidden if you know what I mean!
So yeah if I can get it online that will be great! And obviously makes upgrading far easier !:)
Yes I know the wl key :D

Will Ppmt 5 work ok on such an old machine ?
It's v v kind of you all to help - I really appreciate it ! :D TY :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:29:52 pm
Peppermint 5 WILL run on that netbook, but Peppermint 3 will probably be slightly quicker .. your call.
Peppermint 3 is supported till 2017
Peppermint 5 is supported till 2019

Anyway, wireless...

If you look bottom right of screen by the clock, you should see some icons .. one of them should be the NetworkManager.

If you normal left-click the NetworkManger Icon, you should see a list of detected wireless networks.

Click on YOUR network, and it should prompt you for "Authentication" .. this box wants your PEPPERMINT password, so enter it and click OK.

the next box will prompt for your WIRELESS key .. enter it and click OK.

Did it connect ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 08:34:36 pm
OK how do I get it to search ? :(
It has old wireless and isn't offering to search.
Happy to run v5 as I'm assuming it will run OK but be better in various ways ?
Still ... give it a good try anyway ! :) Thanks :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:37:08 pm
Are you saying it doesn't list YOUR network  when you click the networkmanager icon ?

Normal click it .. NOT right-click
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 08:41:44 pm
Yep I was saying that !
it does now seem to have found it ... (I wired it in - then it finds the wireless ! Go figure!)
Anyway I've entered what I can and it seems to be helping but now it wants :
Enter password for keyring default to unlock
I've tried the passkey but that's not doing it ?
Might there be other internet keys as such or is this a netbook OS issue pls?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:43:37 pm
No this is an old problem I can't quite remember the fix for .. 2 secs...
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:45:48 pm
When it prompts for a Keyring password .. leave it blank and hit OK

It will moan about unsafe storage, but let it continue anyway.

did it connect ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 08:47:16 pm
Ahha I think it's working ! Got onto ebay ! :) Yeah! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:51:27 pm
OK, I'm gonna have to go soon it's 1:49 in the morning here in the UK.

Have a play around, and any questions I'll answer tomorrow.

If you wanna have a go at installing Peppermint 5, there's a tutorial here:
http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,760.0.html
do stages 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, and 10

Do NOT do stages 8 and 9 .. they are specific to the Acer netbook

Any problems, let us know and we'll endeavour to assist )

Any questions before I go ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 08:55:14 pm
Oh .. before you go and try to install Peppermint 5, and now you can post output directly from the netbook

Open a terminal and post the output from:
Code: [Select]
fdisk -l

For clarity that's
FDISK -L
but it MUST be entered in lower case
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:00:36 pm
I'm in the uk too! :)

Problem I have at the moment is that every time I put in peppermint.com it goes to an old site previously put in! Eh? :(
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 09:02:48 pm
Go here:
http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:03:51 pm
I can get a ppmt.net link that seems to be already installed ... was a bit reluctant to log in from there in case it upset the forum software!

TY v v v v v much for all your help. It's been a tough thing but you've all made it tons easier ! Thank you very much indeed! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 09:08:56 pm
Peppermintos.net is the OLD forum .. you CANNOT login there.

http://forum.peppermintos.com

is the new one .. you need to enter that into the Firefox address bar and hit enter.

I NEED that output before you attempt to install Peppermint 5

But I'll be on here pretty much all day tomorrow from about lunchtime onwards.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:11:51 pm
OK got it to get online to the forum and your website ! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 09:15:03 pm
OK can you open a terminal and post the output from
Code: [Select]
fdisk -l
back here.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:15:34 pm
OK fdisk -l doesn't seem to do anything it just goes back to the command prompt !
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 09:19:32 pm
try
Code: [Select]
sudo fdisk -l
it will prompt for your Pepeprmint password .. enter it and hit enter .. remebering nothing will be echoed to screen as you type in your password
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Oh it's never accepted the Return to remove the Default Key for the wireless network correction! :( Just constantly demands a password!

Just got connected with the wired facility! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 09:26:47 pm
I'm gonna need that output before you try installing Peppermint 5
(post it using a wired connection)

I'll be back online tomorrow after lunch .. I'll catch you then OK?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:27:09 pm
Ok got : from sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for bobo
then
bobo is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported
???
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:28:46 pm
Yes tomorrow is fine ... have a phone meeting at 10 am I need to prepare for anyway !

OK thank you v v much! I am most grateful :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 09:29:50 pm
OK, bobo isn't an administrator so can't run that command .. you'll need to log off, then log back on to the savs account, then run that command.

Catch you tomorrow .. goodnight :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 05, 2015, 09:32:14 pm
OK will do. NN and thank you. :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 05, 2015, 09:35:08 pm
You're most welcome .. until tomorrow.....
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 12:32:52 pm
OK done the savs fdisk -l :
Image of results here :
http://i.imgur.com/2ITyXLC.jpg
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: rjm65 on January 06, 2015, 01:07:20 pm
@Mark
You may want to check her cpu flags before going with Pep5, Some of those older machines don't have pae...  ;)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 02:36:08 pm
A further update :
Got the Pep onto a flash drive, from the main laptop,  8) and,
also downloaded it to the EeePC netbook (although can't find it !)
:D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 03:40:33 pm
@rjm65

Good idea .. thanks for the reminder :)



@AuroraMagic

Just to be sure your PC can handle Peppermint 5 (I'm 99.9% sure it can, but best to check), can you open a terminal and run this command:
Code: [Select]
cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae
and tell me if there's any output that starts with
flags:
and contains the phrase
pae
?

Hint -

On a GB keyboard the symbol | is Shift+\
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 04:36:31 pm
OK just got back in On it! :)
Thanks for the shift instruction as I've never known how to do that symbol ! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 04:40:21 pm
OKit was shift Fn \ but got there ! :D
Got lots of letters 2 & 3 grouping and some with numbers .... since the other person suggested pae it does include that in case that's important ? but do you want the whole list ? :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 04:48:28 pm
Nope .. if pae is in the list then your CPU can handle Peppermint Five's PAE kernel :)

Anyway .. have you got downloaded the peppermint ISO image to your Windows PC ?

If not, get it from here and save it somewhere you can easily find it (like your Windows desktop):
http://peppermintos.com/iso/Peppermint-5-20140623-i386.iso

Let me know when youu have that on the Windows PC (or if you already do)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 04:58:01 pm
Yep I have that on the stick and dl it to the netbk but I don't know where it put it ! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 05:04:26 pm
When you say "it's on the stick" .. do you mean you just put the FILE on the stick, or that you used a "LiveUSB creator" application to "burn" it to the stick ?

Is there anything else on the USB stick you need to keep ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 05:12:08 pm
OK sry that I'm not being too clear ! Lack of knowledge & understanding ! :(
However ... I downloaded the pep v5 and then copied it to the stick. It only has a SandDisk password file but I can easily save that elsewhere (dont think I want to use it anyway) ...
It was burned on but just copied.
I didn't do that as a torrent dl.

On the lil pc I downloaded a torrent version and can't find any dialogue box to help tell me what is where! There are no icon on the screen at all (& since I deleted the bbc iplayer - on twice).
HTH
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 05:20:54 pm
Copy that password file somewhere safe because we'll be erasing thhe USB stick

What's in this post is all done on the Windows PC...

Once you've got the Peppermint 5 32bit ISO image downloaded somewhere on the Windows PC .. download Universal USB Installer (version 1.9.5.5 or higher) from here:
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/)
(Click the blue Download UUI button to download it)

Start Universal USB Installer, and at ..

Step 1 .. In the drop down list, select PeppermintOS (may just be listed as "Peppermint")
Step 2  .. point it at the Peppermint-5-20140623-i386.iso (http://peppermintos.com/iso/Peppermint-5-20140623-i386.iso) image you downloaded earlier.
Step 3 .. Choose your (already plugged in >= 1GB) USB stick .. probably best to let it format it too, so backup its contents first.
Step 4 .. (if available) Set the slider to the largest persistence file it will allow you.. so you can save changes. (if you want to test drive it first)


Heres a pic of the Universal USB Installer interface

(http://linuxforums.org.uk/MGalleryItem.php?id=1510)

Click Create .. and wait till it's done .. it will take a while, and *may* appear to have stopped .. but just wait till it says it's "Done" .. as in the following pic

Pic of Universal USB Installer .. Installing to USB Stick

(http://linuxforums.org.uk/MGalleryItem.php?id=1509)

Once the LiveUSB has been created, click Close

Let me know when you've done that, or if you have any problems/questions
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 05:31:57 pm
OK but a question or two...
Why do I need to allow it to reformat the flash drive pls?
I thought I was just going to copy it across to the lil oc that now has it (I think anyway).
I do appreciate that this maybe temporary but is it?
I just bought two SanDisks and the other wanted to keep being re-formatted so it's going back... whilst I have other drives this one has 16Gb which isn't much in this day and age!!
However I wasn't thinking of it now being dedicated to Pep ?
Can I re-format it afterwards back to a ?Win format and how ?
 :-\
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 05:36:12 pm
No you're not just copying the file to the netbook .. you're INSTALLING Peppermint ON the netbook, which means the USB stick has to be formatted, the ISO image unpacked onto it, and the USB stick made bootable.

So we're creating an installation media/medium out of the USB stick .. which we'll then boot to for the installation.

YES, once we're done, you can just wipe the USB stick in Windows and it will be back to normal ;)

For clarity, once we're done with the install, you won't need to "format" the USB stick back to Windows .. you'll just need to delete all the files on it .. but you CAN format it if you wish.

The USB stick in NO WAY will be dedicated to Peppermint ;)

DON'T PANIC !
:)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 05:49:21 pm
OK ... its working on it.
It said that the MBR (?) will be overwritten along with some other file ... so I hope it will be ok!  :-\
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 05:53:37 pm
It wiil be fine ;)

When we're done I'll explain how to reformat it in Windows .. not that that's 100% necessary, Windows will still be able to use it, it will just contain some files.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 05:58:05 pm
Back in 2 mins .. NEED COFFEE  :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 06:02:42 pm
Back.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 06:20:32 pm
OK that's done :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 06:25:50 pm
OK, make sure the netbook is switched off

Plug the USB stick into a USB port on the netbook, then turn ON the netbook.

As soon as you see the ASUS EeePC screen, hit the "Esc" key, and you should be presented with the Boot Device Selection Screen.

Use the up/down arrow keys to select the USB stick, then hit the "Enter" key to boot from the USB stick.

When asked, select "Try Peppermint" NOT "Install Peppermint"

Be aware .. running from a USB stick will be quite a bit slower that running it from the internal SSD after installation, so don't draw any conclusions about speed at this point ;)

Once you've got to a working Peppermint desktop with an "Install Peppermint" icon on it .. let me know.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 06:32:08 pm
OK thank you. It's working on the Try Pep. :D
"I maybe sometime" ... in fact it maybe SO long it will be tomorrow ... ! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 06:35:13 pm
Peppermint 5 is NOT yet installed on the netbook .. are you saying you cannot continue tonight ?

If so, shut down the netbook, bt DO NOT modify the USB stick yet .. we'll need that as it is to install Peppermint 5 when you're ready.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 06:44:05 pm
No No it was a joke about how long I thought it would take ! :D

Anyway it's gone into a Pep window with an impressive cloud formation like you get with paint in heavy water ! (Did for a Michelin ad many moons ago!) :)

Says Install Pep 5 in an icon so do I press on that pls ? :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 07:16:12 pm
Ach see I should never do jokes ! :( Just no good at them ! Being creative is my 'thing'! :D
Are you still about ? If not it can just sit there til tomorrow ...
I'm here for a while ... :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: rjm65 on January 06, 2015, 07:26:09 pm
Maybe he ran out of coffee, we should send him a coupon for starbucks...  LOL   :P
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 07:32:12 pm
Yeah or he's having with-drawl symptoms from overdoing it from last night - after all I have given you all such a hard time! :D
No worries ... he's prob just busy doing stuff!
:)
I am very grateful for all this help it has been excellent - so thank you all!  :D
Might go work on my vat return and then pop back in a bit ... :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: rjm65 on January 06, 2015, 08:04:08 pm
It is not hard to install pep 5, you could always just give it a whirl on your own and if it don't work out ask tomorrow...   ;)
I think above mark pointed you here and told you what steps to skip...

OK, I'm gonna have to go soon it's 1:49 in the morning here in the UK.

Have a play around, and any questions I'll answer tomorrow.

If you wanna have a go at installing Peppermint 5, there's a tutorial here:
http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,760.0.html
do stages 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, and 10

Do NOT do stages 8 and 9 .. they are specific to the Acer netbook

Any problems, let us know and we'll endeavour to assist )

Any questions before I go ?


Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 06, 2015, 08:19:20 pm
Yeah, PCNetSpec's  a super star.  Its as rjm65 says, the installation is very straight forward.  The instruction are provided as you proceed through the process.  You can wait to see if PCNetSpec comes back tonight to walk you through it if you wish.  If he doesn't come back tonight, you can safely shut down Peppermint Five by clicking on the the menu button in the bottom left corner and select logout.  In the logout screen, select Shutdown.  Alternatively, there is a Shutdown button in the panel at the bottom right corner of the screen.  At some point during the shutdown process you will be asked to remove the DVD/USB stick.  Your computer will then shutdown  ;).
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 08:32:57 pm
Oops  ???
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 08:45:44 pm
Thanks for the help chaps! :)

I've just left it and was doing vat ret!
The most obvious ... do I just click on the icon then ? :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 08:47:47 pm
First, is your netbook connected to your router with an ethernet cable or not ?

It doesn't need to be .. I'm just wondering.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 08:52:19 pm
It can be wired up ... takes just a second ! :)
But at the moment no ....:)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 08:55:27 pm
If it's not a problem, wire it up .. if it is, we can connect wirelessly (so it can get updates during the install)

Which is best for you ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 08:56:21 pm
I'll wire it up as it never saw the wireless facility yesterday ... and this laptop can see the wireless so ... done ! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 08:59:28 pm
OK...

Click the Install Peppermint icon on the desktop, and follow the onscreen prompts to install Peppermint

If you have your netbook connected to your router by an ethernet cable, when asked by the installer, put ticks in the boxes to:-

Install extra software
and
Install updates during installation

Otherwise leave them unticked.

If at any stage during the install process you're asked if you want to use LVM, or encryption, say NO

When you get to the Allocate drive space part of the installer, allow it to replace Peppermint and use the whole drive.

When you get to the part where it ask you for a username and password etc .. here's a few hints -

You will be asked for things like -

Name:
Computername:
Username:
Password:
Re-Enter Password:

The Computername field will probably be autofilled for you after you've entered your name .. but you can change it.

Make sure the Username is all lower case, and no spaces

Here's what I used for MY EeePC

Quote
Name: Mark Greaves
Computername: EeePC
Username: mark
Password: whatever_you_want
Re-Enter Password: whatever_you_want (again)

so keep the username short and lower case (and no spaces)

Password rules .. I think it needs to be at least 6 digits and at least one number .. and remember, passwords ARE case sensitive.

It may be a good idea to write down what you enter here, so you don't forget them .. you WILL need at least the Username and Password later on, so don't forget them.

When asked if you want to enable "Auto Login" (Login Automatically) .. tick that option if you DON'T want to have to enter your username and password at each boot.

When the install has finished it will ask you if you want to "Continue testing Peppermint" or "Reboot" .. let me know when you get to this point.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 09:03:11 pm
OK it's doing that ... should I install the 3rd party 'Fluendo mP3 plugin ?
I checked the box for the Dl updates ...!
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 09:06:10 pm
Quote from: AuroraMagic
should I install the 3rd party 'Fluendo mP3 plugin ?

YES
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 09:17:58 pm
Thanks. :)
Making progress, passed the un & pw bit now :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 09:19:33 pm
Cool .. let me know when it says it's finished, and asks if you want to continue testing Peppermint or reboot :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 09:37:45 pm
Ahha looks like it's finished ! :D No - it's still doing things ! Says thanks for Installing Pep though!
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 09:39:07 pm
Please don't pre-empt what you "think" I'm going to say next.....

Don't select anything when it says it's done .. just tell me when it offers "Continue testing Peppermint " or "reboot"
(don't select either option yet)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 09:53:04 pm
Just restarting the lil pc now ! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 09:53:54 pm
Ah sorry I just clicked on the Restart now ! :( Sorry.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 09:55:47 pm
Is the USB stick still in it ?

if so, when you get to the desktop .. tell me if there's an "Install Peppermint" icon on the desktop or not ?

and please don't get ahead of me
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 09:57:55 pm
OK its got the cloud image and no icon ? Is that ok ?
Sorry I just had forgotten to reload the page before I posted ! D'Oh! :(
Sorry yes the usb stick is still in ...
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 09:59:58 pm
Nope that's perfect :) , it means it's running the copy on the netbook, not the copy on the USB stick

OK, you can remove the USB stick now

Can you also remove the ethernet cable

and tell me when you've done that.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:03:47 pm
OK done that ... removed 'internet' and usb stick :) TY ! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:04:46 pm
Stage 3 ..

Entering your Wireless key

Click the NetworkManager icon (it looks like little steps, or two unplugged cables in the system tray, by the clock) on the bottom panel .. you should be presented with a list of available wireless networks.

Click YOUR network, and you will be given a message about "System Policy preventing changes" asking for your password .. this dialog box expects your PEPPERMINT password (NOT your wireless key), so enter it and hit "Authenticate"

you should NOW be prompted for the WEP or WPA(2) key.

Enter your wireless network key, and click Connect.

Did it connect ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:09:17 pm
OK it didn't ask for the Pep pw just the Wireless one (I tried the Pep 1st & failed so tried the wireless one) it claims to now be connected and has a 2 bar link! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:10:55 pm
Great :)

Stage 4 ..

Enabling the extra software repositories

In the menu, go to System Tools > Synaptic Package Manager, enter your password, when Synaptic starts -

Go to Settings > Repositories .. when a new window opens -

On the "Peppermint Software" tab, make sure ALL 5 boxes are ticked.

On the "Other Software" tab, make sure all boxes are ticked EXCEPT (if present) the one that starts withcdrom:

Click Close

Click the Reload button on the Synaptic toolbar.

Close Synaptic.

(It's IMPORTANT that you close Synaptic, or the commands in the next stage won't run)

Let me know when you've done this
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:15:08 pm
OK there are 4 check boxes plus one that has a minus in for Source Code - I take then that that is all correct?
The checked boxes (4) above this all look fair enough and none are cdrom.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:17:59 pm
ah .. ok I see its on the next tab D'Oh! Anyway on the next tab - the Other S/ware one there are 7 check boxes and the top (leaving blank) is the cdrom one ... but the bottom two are neigh idential re -ppa launchpad etc with on Source Code at the end of the very last line ... so definitely all of those bar the top one ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:19:06 pm
Yes ALL ticked except the "cdrom" one.

let me know when you've finished the instructions above and have closed Synaptic
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:21:50 pm
ok done - Reposit thingy done ... closed the Syn bar ... :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:26:22 pm
bar  :-\

is the whole Synaptic application closed ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:28:14 pm
Yep I hit the X in the top right corner and it's task bar entry is also gone ... just got the menu in the lower left and the other bits in the lower right ! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:30:46 pm
Terrific :)

Stage 5 ..

Run a System Update

Open a terminal by hitting these 3 keys at the same time Ctrl+Alt+T

When the terminal opens, enter:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get update
and hit the Enter key .. you will be prompted for your password, so enter your password and hit Enter again.

Be aware .. when entering your password into a terminal, nothing will get echoed to screen (not even ******) but it is going in .. also remember Linux commands (and your password) ARE  case sensitive.

When that command completes, and leaves you back at an $ prompt, (still in the terminal) run:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
to pull in any software updates.

Let me know when those 2 commands have completed.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:35:20 pm
ok hitting cad fails to get the terminal box up but I can see it from the menu acc/Terminal is that ok ?

Also it had timed out - can I turn that off pls? (Later obviously) :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:38:39 pm
ah hang on when you say terminal do you 'just mean a little box' that you can type into?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:40:16 pm
It's Ctrl+Alt+T .. not Ctrl+Alt+D  :-\ .. but yes you can open the terminal from the menu (menu > Accessories > Terminal)

Erm .. what timed out ?

Yes, the terminal =  black box with an $ prompt
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:41:29 pm
yeah I realised I'd typed it wrong sry!
Na it's a white box in the top r corner and I tried it but it did nothing!
OK will use the jump list ... to get to terminal... :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:43:41 pm
OK...

Let me know when those 2 commands have completed.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:44:37 pm
ok it's doing that ... said Y to extra space will be used up ...
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:47:37 pm
Great :)

At this point we need to think of what software you'd like to install .. what are you generally going to use this netbook for ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:51:49 pm
How about

Firefox - web browser
VLC - media player
LibreOffice - like Microsoft Office
Skype - well you know what Skype is

?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:52:19 pm
It's still working on it but ... :D

Firefox ...
Some kind of file management (to transfer files within external disk and to internet - slow but it will work!)

Possibly email but not sure whats possible?
Maybe iplayer but once got Firefox these things can follow !

Possibly some text editor type docs as temporary files to be used elsewhere ...
My lodger will use this too and the above is likely to cover his needs too - I hope! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 10:53:01 pm
Yep that all sounds fine ! :) Yep Skype is good ... :)
I use vlc player anyway so that's cool! :)
All that sounds fine.... :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 10:56:29 pm
if you want an email client, we can add Thunderbird to that list if you'd like ?

also has that second command finished yet ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 11:01:24 pm
Yep TB would be excellent ...
No it's still working on it with various pauses !
Might it go quicker if I plugged in the Ecable?

My cold-thing is really asking me to sleep now ! And you must be getting knackered - or are you on night duty! ? (I doubt it!) :D
My hat off to you cos you've been just brilliant and it is SO appreciated! :D

How do I get these on? Go online d/l and install as 'usual' or will it need these unusual to me commands and such ?
I'm interested to try Pep / Linux as some s/ware I need to use online would do better under Linux so this is an interesting development for me....

Ahha I think it's finished ! :) back at a prompt ...
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 11:07:59 pm
NO .. you NEVER download software online in Linux (that's a bad Windows habit you'll need to break).. it's all installed through your package managers from a central repository that's kept free of malicious code (and one of the reasons you'll not require anti-virus software in Linux)
(we'll get to that in a bit)

I need you to REBOOT now

menu > Logout > Reboot

Then we can either finish forf tonight, or carry on .. up to you
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 11:09:48 pm
OK fair enough! :D

Right have it rebooting but I think I have to get to sleep ...really sorry .... :( I'd normally carry on but not being well is not ideal!
Are you OK to carry on tomorrow sometime ? :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 11:13:06 pm
Please re-read my last posting .. I added a bit

The "central repository" for software is ONE OF the reasons Linux is considered one of the most secure OS's there is, and why it doesn't require anti-virus and anti-malware software

 and "Sure" .. I'm fine to carry on tomorrow :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 06, 2015, 11:16:51 pm
Yep I saw the added bit ! :D
I've rarely run anti-V on my Win but it has varied ... depending on circumstances ! (Long story) ...

:)
OK later on today then - TY :D that really excellent ! :)
NN :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 11:17:38 pm
Catch you tomorrow (later today) then .. goodnight.

Not that much left to do tomorrow .. nearly done anyway :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 06, 2015, 11:22:21 pm
Sorry but I need to add this .. If your Windows PC EVER connects to the internet (or even your router) or you EVER install software from ANY source, you're INSANE if you don't have anti-virus software installed .. in fact I'm surprised Windows still works  :o
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 07, 2015, 10:19:47 am
Ok perhaps saying none was speaking a bit too flippant! As thinking about it, I've got Ad block plus, Spybot & No script ...
and had Avast but was told with the others it's not that necessary to have Avast. I was having a prob getting a flight simulator to go to the virtual online 'airfield' so ended up (temp) removing Avast out of desperation to stop any firewalls from preventing access, and thinking about it I guess I've got Win firewalls in place... ! So I guess I do have a small army defending the puta! :D
Years back it was different though! :( Sad the way the World has become with people with such low morals and decency that they wish to cause others harm just for the hell of it! :(
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 07, 2015, 10:52:10 am
Couldn't agree more :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 07, 2015, 10:56:52 am
On your Peppermint machine you don't have any firewall install.  You're behind a router, so you don't really need one.  If you want to have one, UFW is very good.  The default settings are more than enough for home use.  You just download it, turn it on and forget about it.  To download it open a terminal window with the following keystrokes: Ctrl+Alt+t.  Enter the following commands into the terminal window. 

Tip:  Linux is case sensitive.  To reduce the possibility of typographical errors, please use the Code: [Select] function below to highlight the contents. Click on the centre mouse button/wheel while in the terminal window to paste the contents.  Note: For enhanced security, passwords are entered invisibly.  There is NO indication of any user input.  You may enter an incorrect password 3 times before you have to repeat the action you are trying to apply.
Code: [Select]
apt install ufw -y
Hit enter and do the password thing.  Let it install and then enter:
Code: [Select]
sudo ufw enable
Hit enter and that's it,  all done  ;)!!
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 07, 2015, 12:06:38 pm
gufw would be a better idea as it gives you a graphical front end for ufw .. but as you say, it's usually not necessary if you're behind a NAT router
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 07, 2015, 08:55:46 pm
Thanks for the ongoing advice. Most gratefully received.
I'm too ill to carry on tonight sadly so I'm going to bed. I have to be up early too which isn't helping! :(
But later tomorrow ought to be fine if you are about? If not just say when you will be and I'll make sure that I am about too! :D Thanks.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 06:59:59 am
I'm always "about", so yeah whenever you're ready...

Thanks for letting me know though. Take a cup of Horlicks to bed with you, and get a good nights rest .. then I hope you feel better tomorrow (or soon) :)

"Horlicks in bed"  :o .. just saying that makes me chuckle, how childish is that  ::)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 01:24:39 pm
OK Back! Still somewhat unwell but sneezing aside I hope to be fit again soon! :)
Horlicks - Oh a big fan!  Esp the Chocolate one! :D
Might just go make me a cup! :)

Anyway the lil Eee 900 has been running happily since we last 'spoke'.
So if you are about nowish then we can load up the programs :)
Thanks :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 02:18:49 pm
Stage 6 ..

Installing the extra software (part one).

OK, we're going to install the extra software in 2 stages .. the first stage to install most of the software .. but we'll leave out ubuntu-restricted-extras and lubuntu-restricted-extras because those packages also install the ttf-mscorefonts-installer which sometimes causes problems with it's license acceptance window.
(you WILL want these package, because they installs support for mp3, flash etc. but we'll install them later in the next stage)

In the menu, go to Accessories > Terminal

When the terminal opens, enter:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get update
then:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install firefox vlc libreoffice thunderbird skype openjdk-7-jre icedtea-7-plugin
hit enter, and your password if/when asked .. and if it prompts you for a y/n, hit y and enter.

when that finishes run:
Code: [Select]
sudo update-apt-xapian-index

Let me know when you're done .. or if you have any problems.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: rjm65 on January 08, 2015, 02:27:12 pm
Why do you update the xapian index?
Just curious cause i remove it from every linux install I do, because i was told it is like the equivalent to the windows index service, and should be removed because it hogs up 99% of your processor?
 
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 02:42:13 pm
I am working on this ! :D ty. :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 03:14:36 pm
Its on the last bit now ! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 03:17:56 pm
OK.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 03:24:52 pm
All done ! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 03:25:59 pm
Stage 7 ..

Installing the extra software (part two)

Open a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) and run:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
at some point the terminal will turn blue telling you you need to accept a license, with <ok> at the bottom ..
hit the Tab key so the <ok> is highlighted red .. hit the Enter key ..
the next screen will have <yes> <no>, again hit the Tab key so/until <yes> is highlighted red .. and hit the Enter key.

It will now install.

Once ttf-mscorefonts-installer has finished installing .. still in the terminal run:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras ubuntu-restricted-extras
The restricted-extras packages should now install without issue.

let me know when you've done that.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 03:31:39 pm
humm ok I carried on in the same terminal box thinking that that didn't matter ???
However now it's asking for the OK to be approved and I can't say 'yes' tried enter key, highlighting the OK and Enter but nothing, tried looking at the menu options but nothing seems to help ! :( Ooops think I did it wrong :(
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 03:34:57 pm
Use the TAB key to higlight the <OK> as explained in the previous post .. then hit enter to continue
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 03:38:42 pm
D'Oh ! Sorry - thought I'd read it OK.
In my defense I am quite unwell! But sorry! :)
OK now onto the next section ! :) BRB
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 03:41:13 pm
No problem :) .. let me know when you're ready for the next set of instructions
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 03:43:33 pm
OK done all that. I did get a message up about something wanting updating but I just told it to remind me later figuring that, that was the best option - it was a dialogue box appearing on top of my T box ... ?
Ok next ? :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 03:45:35 pm
Last Stage (optional) ..

Extending battery life by installing the TLP power management application

This is an optional install, but I recommend it, as when you switch from mains power to battery power, TLP will switch your CPU into power saving mode unless the CPU is under load, which will make your battery last longer.

Open a terminal and run:
Code: [Select]
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:linrunner/tlp
and hit Enter if/when prompted.

then
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get update
then
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install tlp tlp-rdw smartmontools ethtool
then start tlp with:
Code: [Select]
sudo tlp start
and check it's running with:
Code: [Select]
sudo tlp-stat | grep "TLP power save"

As long as (after a reboot) that last command still returns:-

TLP power save = enabled

you're good to go ..

That's it, you're done .. pat yourself on the back and enjoy Peppermint Five :)

Any questions ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 03:47:22 pm
OK Cool I'll give that a go ! :D
I think the next question already rattling around in the head is... errr...  will a reboot bring up the icons ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 03:51:03 pm
Which icons ?

The icons for the software you installed will be in the menu's

Firefox, Thunderbird, and Skype will be in the "Internet" menu
LibreOffice (and it's individual components) will be in the "Office" menu
VLC will be in the "Sound & Video" menu.

but if you'd also like icons on the desktop, let me know which ones ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 04:06:15 pm
OK got the icons added ... I think I'll have to bother you all again when or as I need to add programs etc ...

Just looking at light locking settings and it has under Locking:
"Enable light locker" ...but what is that pls ?
I'd rather not have to tell the lodger my password so not having it locked will be easier....
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 04:14:16 pm
OK, in light locker settings, put all sliders to the left .. and turn both switches to OFF .. then hit apply.

Light lockers job is to lock the session after a period of inactivity .. so if you walk away from your PC it locks.

And sure .. whenever you have any questions, just come on the forum and ask .. that's what we're here for :)

Well done by the way, ande i hope you enjoy Peppermint :)

[EDIT]

You could always add another account for the lodger that doesn't have permission to change any system settings .. but allows them to use the already installed applications
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 04:16:46 pm
Yeeeaah ! :D
Thank you SO very very very much for all of your help ! Just amazing. I definietly could not have done this without all of your trojan help! :)
My hat of to you ! :D TY :D
 
----
You mentioned the other day something about virus protection ?
Do I need to do anything for this please?
When lodger puts his external hard-drive to this lil pc to transfer photos from his phone onto his h/d can I run a virus checker ? Is that necessary ? Will it auto run any anti-virus when any external device is added ? (Just verifying things! :))

More generally if I want to run other software on Pep (I think it has a linux version) can it 'just' be run ? :) (more thinking about if I do this to another computer) ...:) Thank you ! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 04:22:55 pm
You don't need anti-virus software.

You *can* have AV, but you don't need it .. believe me ;)

As for installing other software .. probably best to ask when you can be specific about which software, or what you want it to do ..  and I'll help you out.

[EDIT]

You might want to look through the Software Center....

Can I point one thing out though .. your Netbook only has a 16GB SSD, so storage space is always going to be at a premium, so don't go installing tons of stuff or storing lots of large files (such as movies) on the internal SSD ;)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 04:29:41 pm
Well thank you for the well done but I've done nothing! Just (almost) only done what you instructed! :)
A mere instrument of your instruction!! :D

OK another question ... in File Manager I have changed the view to Detailed View, but I can't figure out how to change the widths of the columns? I've tried holding down the left button on the glide pad (no mouse at this second) and moving it but that failed surprisingly.
I've also tried similar things to the edges of dialogue boxes which also failed ? (the little white arrow fails to move it!)

Also trying to see in the File Manager, how much space is left on the hard drive and can't seem to get to the root enough to see the properties of it, please ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 04:32:57 pm
Yeah .. I get the h/d issues ... and I am thinking of another machine. I'm assuming that if I copy everything that I've done here it will work on that too ?
:)
Not sure I'd change this one yet but it might become a possibility if lots of software worked... so this is a really interesting exercise ! :)
The software I am thinking about at the moment (not for the lil EeePC) is alphasoftware.com Alpha 5 got version Platinum... at this point. :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 04:36:11 pm
Holding the left mouse button whilst on the divider(the cursor should change to <-->), then dragging the divider SHOULD work ?

Space left on the SSD, should be in the bottom right of the file manager in this format

Free Space:  3.8GiB (Total: 12.6GiB)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 04:42:19 pm
Yeah .. I get the h/d issues ... and I am thinking of another machine. I'm assuming that if I copy everything that I've done here it will work on that too ?
:)
Not sure I'd change this one yet but it might become a possibility if lots of software worked... so this is a really interesting exercise ! :)
The software I am thinking about at the moment (not for the lil EeePC) is alphasoftware.com Alpha 5 got version Platinum... at this point. :)

Yep, these install instructions should work for any PC .. obviously there may be other things that also need doing, such as loading proprietary video drivers if they're required .. but the instructions in this topic are generic.

I know sod all about the Alpha 5 software .. is it online, or does it need to be installed locally ? .. is it Windows only software ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 08, 2015, 04:45:54 pm
I just looked up alphasoftware.com and its Windows only software.  Very expensive Windows only software  :o!!
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 04:46:37 pm
OK the arrow comes up but even though I hold down the left (or right) keys it won't move the line... just jumps to the next boxes colour e.g. white as if you hadn't pressed down on the arrow at all?
Yep got the total in the bottom left : free 8.1 Gb and total 12.7 gb ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 04:54:08 pm
OK it has increased in cost massively! Yeesh!
I started with it in about 04 and bought upgrades each year at very decent discounted prices including the web application software so that I can have a large searchable online database. It looks like they have been changing it a lot!
But my last several years have been dealing with several bereavements and Court cases from those... bit of a nightmare and I'm only now beginning to try to get my life and businesses back up and running. :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 04:55:24 pm
Well thank you for the well done but I've done nothing! Just (almost) only done what you instructed! :)
A mere instrument of your instruction!! :D

Not true .. YOU did the ACTUAL work, if you were reading how from a book you'd still have a sense of accomplishment, so why does it matter that the text was on a forum instead of a book ?
Nobody's born knowing this stuff, but you managed to follow the instructions and install an OS that you had zero knowledge of .. I'd call that an accomplishment ;)

Heck, just knowing where and how to get help is a skill .. and probably the most valuable skill you can have .. I don't know everything, but I know where to find out kinda thing :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 04:58:34 pm
I know that I can select the Win or Linux hosting and I bought all the software slowly until about 2009/10.
I have the discs and then downloaded the later versions and have copies.
I have it on this machine but only just opened up the latest version (on this puta) ... I can check but it's not too crucial right now but it would be nice to know. They used to sell the s/ware directly but now like many companies they are selling a licence only to use it which is bad IMHO! And likely to put off tons of people!
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 08, 2015, 04:58:50 pm
Hi AuroraMagic, congratulations on your new Peppermint Five 'puter  8)!!
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 05:09:44 pm
What I'm trying to figure out is....

Does this software have to be installed locally .. or is it an online service ?

If it's an online service that you access through your browser it doesn't matter what OS you're running .. problem is, there website isn't too clear on this (or even at first glance what the software actually does) and the "trial" link is broken so I can't find out ::)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 05:12:22 pm
Quote from: PCNetSpec
Not true .. YOU did the ACTUAL work, if you were reading how from a book you'd still have a sense of accomplishment, so why does it matter that the text was on a forum instead of a book ?
Nobody's born knowing this stuff, but you managed to follow the instructions and install an OS that you had zero knowledge of .. I'd call that an accomplishment ;)

Heck, just knowing where and how to get help is a skill .. and probably the most valuable skill you can have .. I don't know everything, but I know where to find out kinda thing :)
Yeah OK I can kinda agree - it does seem ppl seem oblivious as to how to find help and where! Which I do find odd but OK!
... I guess working with Dos yonks ago helped as it wasn't so unusual for me to have a dos (like) box. I've even used the up and down keys to repeat commands! :) (& then altered as per necessary on the odd occasion).

But it's massively different IMHO having a person tell you the bits as you go with advice & help... than just reading a book! To me reading instructions about all this would be really hard. You *knew* what I wanted and told me just and exactly, and only, what I needed. It made it efficient, straight forward. It cut out all my wonderings and if's and but's, that I would have got very muddled with, if it had it been a book!
Thats worth a lot to me! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 05:14:57 pm
OK, the 30 day trial is an exe .. so is Windows only software.
You do realise that Linux doesn't run Windows software don't you ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 05:19:06 pm
What I'm trying to figure out is....

Does this software have to be installed locally .. or is it an online service ?

If it's an online service that you access through your browser it doesn't matter what OS you're running .. problem is, there website isn't too clear on this (or even at first glance what the software actually does) and the "trial" link is broken so I can't find out ::)

OK, the 30 day trial is an exe .. so is Windows only software.
You do realise that Linux doesn't run Windows software don't you ?
Yeah their site used to be far better than this! :(
I bought previous versions of software that I own outright and with the web application licence to create and run the online database. It looks like now they are only offering an online version.
Let me just go check it a bit more in case I've got something wrong here.
But basically it's like an ever expandable version of Access... but able to make tables (and all data exportable) for every aspect of every section to have as a searchable database and so one that I can make up and load up online too. Then individuals can then add in their own data and I can just add on updates and improvements etc without corrupting any of the data. So it seems good! BRB :)

Thanks for the welcomes to Pep :) Appreciated and Thank you! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 05:21:26 pm
Quote
working with Dos yonks ago helped as it wasn't so unusual for me to have a dos (like) box.

All of this could have been done through GUI tools .. I only use command line instructions on the forum because they're more concise, easier to type, leave no room for "interpretation", provides useful output , and can be copy/pasted, .. so when working in a text format (as on a forum) the command line makes more sense.

Linux doesn't need to be about the command line .. but it's there, it's uber-powerful, and if/when it's the best tool for the job.......
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 05:21:38 pm
Yes I know you need Linux to run Linux and Win to run Win!  :D
Still think there is or was a Linux version... I know the s.ware I have can run on a linux server though but that maybe a very different thing !
I'd chosen Win software as I'd always (& was at the time) only running Win software and had fully expected to be up and running with this in later 07 !! :(
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 05:24:21 pm
Not sure that I know what GUI is really. I have read and rewritten all commands as it's on another pc ... :) But yeah it makes sense for sure! And a job v well done! :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 05:29:30 pm
Humm still trying to resolve the dbl arrow tools ... where is the glide pad settings please?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 05:35:56 pm
Glide pad setting ?

do you mean to make the touchpad less sensitive ?

If so
menu > Preferences > Peppermint Control Center > Keyboard & Pointer (tab)

then the sliders under "pointer Options"

Is that what you mean ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 05:40:58 pm
OK Alpha Five ! :) But it still comes under the alphasoftware.com !?
I think they must have a new setup but it is very confusing! :(

A you tube quick (ish) run down here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfieffQB78Q
https://www.youtube.com/user/AlphaSoftwareInc
http://www.alphafivedatabase.com/access/
http://www.alphafivedatabase.com/access/whychooseAlpha.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Five_%28database%29
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 05:51:39 pm
It looks to me like it's a locally installed application that builds web apps that will  then be hosted online.

The built apps can be hosted on a Linux or Windows web server (and then accessed through ANY OS as they're browser based), but the local application for creating the web apps is *probably* Windows only.

So you'd probably need Windows to use this software .. but once the apps you create are hosted, you can use those apps in Linux too

did that make sense ?



Quote
Not sure that I know what GUI is really

GUI = GRAPHICAL User Interface

So what I meant was - We used commands to install the software in Peppermint, but we could just as easily have chosen and installed it through the Software Manager in a "point and click" manner.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 05:58:04 pm
Yep that all sounds fine. Just been wondering about if it may have been possible to use the Linux version of it but that no longer looks like its available (or maybe I'm recalling it wrong it was years ago and a lot has happened since then!) But yeah OK! :)

Re Arrow control .. there must be a glide pad control somewhere ... and I'm assuming that I can check the glide pad controller there to ensure that it is set up correctly?
Any ideas ? :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 06:02:37 pm
Glide pad setting ?

do you mean to make the touchpad less sensitive ?

If so
menu > Preferences > Peppermint Control Center > Keyboard & Pointer (tab)

then the sliders under "pointer Options"

Is that what you mean ?
Yes where I meant thank you ! :D But more to confirm that the left button is the prime click button but all it has is a left hand option ... so I'm assuming then that the left button will be to select and confirm .... and so hence why then won't the arrow work?
Humm I guess I'll have to try get a mouse on this to try it! :)

OK thanks for the GUI (ach ought to have known that!) Blame the cold again! ;) thanks. :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 06:10:24 pm
What I'm trying to say is that though we did a lot with the command line, it wasn't NECESSARY to do it that way .. it's just easier on a forum.

Think of it like this .. if I were to explain how to copy "text.file" from "Directory1" to "Directory2" .. doing it in a GUI manner I'd have to type

Go to
menu > File Manger

When file manager opens, in the left hand column select "Home", look for a foldr called "Directory1" and double click it .. inside you'll find a file called "text.file", right-click it and select "Copy".
In the left hand column click "Home" agaain .. look for a folder called "Directory2" and double click it .. right click on an empty place in the folder and select "Paste"

or I can just say...

Open a terminal and run:
Code: [Select]
cp -v ~/Directory1/text.file ~/Directory2/text.file

Which do you think was easier, left less room for "interpretation", and could be copy/pasted ;)

Linux has a reputation for being very "command line" .. this isn't true, it has graphical tools for pretty much everything, but it also has a VERY powerful command line which is easier to use on a text based medium such as a forum.



Yeah, try it with a mouse .. if you still have problems let me know
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 06:18:37 pm
Yeah No it's fine I did get that. :) Really I did ! :D

But I was happy that way it was just fine. Nice to know that it could be done another way. But yes I agree that in a forum it saves lots of potential 'look and clicking' (by me) and maybe mistakes, so totally agree the command line prompt commands was a much safer and easier option.

Now I have a new question ...
Was just opening up Dropbox ... and it says "In order to use Dropbox, you must d/l the proprietary daemon. Note : python-gpgme is not installed, we will not be able to verify binary signatures'
Now this is NOT urgent but what will I need to do to run this....

Thank you so much for all your help and everyone's input into this it is very much appreciated! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 06:35:12 pm
Hmm .. that's new .. must be a new version of dropbox.

Lets do this tthe GUI way .. just for the experience

Go to
menu > System Tools > Software Manager

When that opens (and sometimes it takes a while) .. in the search box (top right) enter:-
python-gpgme

You should see underneath two items reeturned

python-gpgme
python-gpgme-dbg

double-click the:-

python-gpgme

item

then when the window chages to an explanation of what the app is .. click the "Install" button.

Wait till it says it's installed .. then close the Software Manager.

Now what happens if you click "Dropbox" in the menu ?



Personally I prefer Synaptic Package Manager to the Software Manager for GUI software management.. it's quicker and more powerful, but you 'generally' need to know what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 06:44:01 pm
All done :)

(Had to enter the password)
It's now moaning about the "proprietary daemon" :)
So I assume that's in the same location ? :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 06:54:56 pm
Probably not.

what is the exact message ?

Can you run these commands in sequence:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get update
ten
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get upgrade
then
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
then REBOOT

Then try
menu > Internet > Dropbox
again, and tell me EXACTLY what happens when you try to run Dropbox
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 06:57:17 pm
"In order to use Dropbox, you must download the proprietary daemon."

(then 'don't show this again check box option & ok / cancel )
Do I need to reboot ?
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 06:58:56 pm
Ah, I see .. when you get that dialog, select "OK" and it should automagically download and install the dropbox daemon. :)

Had me confused there for a second  .. it only does this the first time it's run.
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 07:04:16 pm
I guess I can be a 'bit too literal'!! Sry ! Yep that's working! TY again! :D
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 07:07:51 pm
Or at my age I'm too easily confusticated  :-\
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 07:16:58 pm
Okey dokey, as it's generally good forum practice to have a single question (with a well defined subject line) per topic, I think it best if we now close this topic.

From now on can you please post a new topic (with an explanatory subject line) per question.

It makes it easier for people who may have the same question to find an answer .. one question per topic also makes it easy to mark a topic as (SOLVED) if a solution is found .. again making it easy for people searching for a working answer.

TIA :)
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on !
Post by: AuroraMagic on January 08, 2015, 08:01:24 pm
Yeah sure.
I was wondering as I am now well off-topic!

Thank you again for all your help! Solved perfectly & thanks to you all! :)
A wonderful introduction to Peppermint! :D Thank you. :)

What a change from the Windows nightmares!
Title: Re: Received netbook with Ppmt on ! [SOLVED] ty.
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 08, 2015, 08:26:18 pm
You're more than welcome :)