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Title: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Solved)
Post by: rjm65 on November 22, 2014, 06:52:43 pm
I am working on a dell Inspiron Mini 10 for a friend of mine the machine boots linux mint cinnamon and mate to the desktop but shows no WIFI... 
Since i foresee this to be a problem I am going to install peppermint 5 shortly and would appreciate any help i can get with the onboard WIFI....
thanks in advance...  :P
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 22, 2014, 07:09:01 pm
For Peppermint 5, connect to your router via an ethernet cable and run:
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sudo apt install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer firmware-b43legacy-installer linux-firmware-nonfree
wireless should work now.

If not, post the output from:
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sudo lshw -C network
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 22, 2014, 07:22:35 pm
I will give it a shot and let you know tomorrow, its about quitting time for me and the router is two flights down the steps...  thanks for the advice Mark as always...  will copy this to my stick and try it out....
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 11:24:03 am
OK here is my dilemma, I ran hirens boot cd and checked the hard drive out and it was fine...
After install of peppermint 5 to the hard drive, the machine goes thru the bios and then halts on a black screen, and says NO Operating system found...
However if I insert my USB stick it finds pep 5 and lets me boot live USB...
I'm lost, what happened to the install, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2014, 11:55:13 am
From the liveUSB, what's the output from:
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sudo fdisk -l
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 12:19:25 pm
I had two usb sticks in there, one for copying the info off, and the other is my pep 5 usb stick....   ;)

Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
peppermint@peppermint ~ $ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000732e8

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *        2048   310503423   155250688   83  Linux
/dev/sda2       310505470   312580095     1037313    5  Extended
/dev/sda5       310505472   312580095     1037312   82  Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 4005 MB, 4005560320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 486 cylinders, total 7823360 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00bf1c1b

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *        2048     7823359     3910656    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)

Disk /dev/sdc: 1031 MB, 1031798784 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 125 cylinders, total 2015232 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00eb69af

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1   *          63     2015231     1007584+   b  W95 FAT32
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Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2014, 12:41:20 pm
I'm going to assume GRUB stage one didn't get installed to the master boot record

From the LiveUSB/LiveCD run:
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sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
then:
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for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
then
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sudo chroot /mnt
then
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grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
then
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update-grub
then
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exit
then shutdown and boot to the hard drive
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 01:35:52 pm
well i am going to copy this verbatim to my stick and give it a whirl... 
this is weird mark, i did use hirens boot cd and booted their gparted linux loaded with tools, and after copying all their documents and such to my external drive, i used gparted to kill all partitions on the drive...  So it was a blank drive when i installed pep 5, so i chose use entire disk when installing, and this is what i ended up with.... 
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 01:46:59 pm
No luck still says no operating system found...
copied and pasted all your commands in order they completed without any errors...
its almost like the bios is not seeing the hard drive on bootup cause it tries all other ways to boot before the error comes up it tries usb then lan etc....
i checked the bios the main screen lists the drive correctly, and so does the bootup order screen and i see no switches that could have been turned off for a hard drive...
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: perknh on November 23, 2014, 03:14:32 pm
For the record, it was with a Dell Inspiron 5423, that I recently purchased and subsequently returned to Walmart, that I could not get Wi-Fi to work in Peppermint either.
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2014, 05:05:47 pm
So it's not even displaying a GRUB prompt ?

Does it boot to the hard drive if you boot to the LiveUSB, then instead of selecting "Try Peppermint" or "Install Peppermint" select the option to boot from the hard drive.
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 05:11:09 pm
I will try that and also I am going to look at the drive under the live usb and make sure everything copied over to it....
no is the answer to any grub meni i get the checking usb, then checking lan, then no os installed and it halts....
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2014, 05:17:08 pm
Is there a boot device selection screen (maybe F12) .. and is the hard drive listed there ?

So immediately after turning on the PC, start stabbing away at the F12 key .. does it give you a list of available devices ? and is the HDD listed ? .. if so, what happens if you select it and hit enter to boot from it ?
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 06:41:59 pm
yes there is an f12 i been using that to switch to the usb device... 
in answer to previous questions no it does not boot from pep5 menu when i select boot from first hard disk i get a message but it goes by so fast all i can make ou is something or another about syslinux....
I checked with file manager and it lists the 159 gig drive on left when i click on it it appears everything was copied i see a bunch of folders....
I will go try the f12 key now and get back to you....  :)

EDIT: Contents of f12 menu are hard drive then usb device then cd dvd then network then diagnostics....  when i choose hard drive it fails and goes straight to usb and boots pep 5 live usb....  If i remove the stick it just fails....
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2014, 06:48:07 pm
The output from fdisk shows 3 drives .. do you have something like an SD card inserted ?

160GB HDD

4GB - Probably USB stick ?

1GB  - ??
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 06:56:03 pm
yup those were my two usb sticks one 4g was running pep5 live usb the other 1g was holding the text file with all the commands i copied and pasted from you....
Only the 4gig is inserted now though cause that has Pep 5 Live on it... 
Whole machine is acting weird too me I never seen anything like this i can see the drive and the files that were copied to it but yet it won't boot its almost like the MBR of the disk is dead....
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2014, 06:56:33 pm
OK, once more

Boot to the LiveUSB

Open a terminal and run:
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sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
then
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sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda
then try rebooting to the hard drive
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 07:12:34 pm
same thing without the usb inserted all it does is check every way it can to boot up and halts on operating system not found...
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 23, 2014, 07:20:28 pm
I can only assume then that it cannot read the boot sector of the HDD

Try booting the Peppermint LiveUSB .. firing up GParted

In Gparted make sure you're working on dev/sda (top right)

Right click on /dev/sda5 and select "SwapOff"

Then go to Device > Create Partition Table

When asked, select "msdos" as the partition table type.

When done the drive should be completely empty with no partitions

Close GParted

Try installing Peppermint again.
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 23, 2014, 07:36:58 pm
Will do... I probably won't get back here now till tomorrow its quitting time here for me and that is going to take an hour too install at least...
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: rjm65 on November 24, 2014, 11:36:11 am
Ok nothing worked same response from hard drive...
I decided to install via cdrom and tried Antix mx14 for the heck of it and I got an error notice during antix install that said smart monitor says your drive is failing or has failed please select another drive to install too... 
I guess the drive is toast something must have happened to its master boot record that it won't boot... 
If the guy wants to fix it this, it should be a fun one, i see no panels on bottom for hard drive, only a small access panel for the ram chip....
looks like the entire laptop has to be split open to replace the drive....    :(

let me know how this topic should be marked solved or abandoned?
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 24, 2014, 11:44:35 am
it wouldn't help anyone searching for a solution .. so "abandoned" is probably best.
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: rjm65 on November 24, 2014, 11:48:23 am
No problem I marked it as such, thank you for trying to help on this i don't understand though why everything claimed the drive was good when it wasn't weird ...
just not bootable but the drive works in my external case and can be copied too which really has me baffled...  oh well i seen stranger things happen...  :P
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 24, 2014, 01:31:50 pm
I'm not sure that most disk checking software tests the first 512 bytes .. which is what I'm assuming is screwed.
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 25, 2014, 06:50:54 am
Though I still think you have a hard drive problem, I thought I'd better bring this to your attention:

I just read this as an Antix M14 known bug:

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Installer gives a warning about my harddrive possibly failing - Fix: apt-get install installer-mx before installation or install gsmartcontrol and check again

Source:
http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: rjm65 on November 25, 2014, 09:50:05 am
Though I still think you have a hard drive problem, I thought I'd better bring this to your attention:

I just read this as an Antix M14 known bug:

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Installer gives a warning about my harddrive possibly failing - Fix: apt-get install installer-mx before installation or install gsmartcontrol and check again

Source:
http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
The question of the day is that bug was reported for version 14.1.1, and I downloaded and used 14.2 PAE version, so was it fixed by then?
I tried installing just simple DOS and trying to get it to boot to a C: prompt and dos failed to boot, so did windows 2000 fail to boot after install... So I am quite sure if the drive is not responsible for this error, then the laptop itself has a major problem not seeing the hard drive on bootup but yet it shows in the bios, so i don't know what to say....  He had me order a new drive for it, so when it gets here I will know for sure, cause I have no sata drives in stock only IDE drives on my shelf...   ;)
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 25, 2014, 10:15:49 am
If I had to guess I'd say the MBR (first 512 bytes of the drive) are screwed so can't hold a bootloader.

Unless of course there's some BIOS setting that protects the MBR ?
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: rjm65 on November 25, 2014, 10:38:51 am
If I had to guess I'd say the MBR (first 512 bytes of the drive) are screwed so can't hold a bootloader.

Unless of course there's some BIOS setting that protects the MBR ?
Ok so if i stick the drive which is now on my desk into an external usb case for example and install pep5 to it, and it still don't boot using the bios usb boot selection from f12 menu which boots up the usb sticks would that determine the drive is the problem and not a bios issue?   :-\
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 25, 2014, 11:47:18 am
Bung the drive in an external case .. attach the external case to another PC (preferably with it's HDD removed) .. and try installing Peppermint, if it doesn't boot it pretty much rules out the Mini10 as the cause and ties it to the HDD

if it installs and boots .. don't install any proprietary drivers, just bung the drive back in the Mini10 and it should work .. if not, it's a problem with the Mini10

Make sense ?

In fact if you have a desktop PC with an SATA HDD .. unplug the desktops SATA HDD, and replce it with the Mini10's SATA HDD .. and try installing Peppermint, then seeing if it boots .. if it does, bung it back in the Mini10 and see if it still boots.

Linux aint like Windows .. you can install it on one PC, then (as long as you don't install any proprietarfy drivers) put the drive in another PC and the drivers will just adjust themselves.
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: rjm65 on November 25, 2014, 01:43:28 pm
Well I solved the problem it is booting pep5 from the drive in the mini10... 
If anyone is wondering what the problem was it was the universal usb installer program i had, it was version .1, and today for some odd reason i decided to see if they had a newer version and i found .8, so i was .7 versions behind...  Pep 5 installed on the drive and booted from an external usb case, and after putting drive back into the mini it now boots normally...  who'd a thunk it?  :-\
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: AndyInMokum on November 25, 2014, 01:58:01 pm
That's really great to hear.  I've been following this thread.  That's saved you a few bucks - always a plus  ;).
Title: Re: Dell Inspiron Mini 10 (Abandoned)
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 25, 2014, 02:02:44 pm
Good to hear :)

Can you change the subject line from (Abandoned) to (SOLVED) pleased . TIA :)