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Title: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: evie7 on November 05, 2014, 09:52:42 am
Hello,
I've installed Peppermint 5 on my Dell Mini and when I start it up there's a message on a black screen right before the login page, "scanning for btrfs files". (Actually it shows it two times on two black screens). Everything is loading super slow, including the internet, even though my wifi connection says 100%. Do these things have anything to do with each other? I don't know what btrfs is, but should I just start over and make a new usb stick? I ask that because I'm not that good at this sudo thingy.  :-\
Eve
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: AndyInMokum on November 05, 2014, 11:39:35 am
Hi evie7, Peppermint scans for the btrfs file system by default.  It is a file system for multiple devices across a network.  For your set-up, you don't need it.  Here's how to disable it.  Open a terminal window with the following key strokes: Ctrl+Alt+t.  Enter the following command and hit enter.
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apt remove --purge btrfs-tools -y
Do the password thing if asked and reboot your machine.  That should take care of that - have fun  ;).
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on November 05, 2014, 04:38:55 pm
Hi,
Thanks, did that, but it still seems a bit slow. Is there another reason?
 :) Eve
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: perknh on November 05, 2014, 05:28:46 pm
I ask that because I'm not that good at this sudo thingy.  :-\

Nobody is when they are new to Linux.  That being said, if you copied and pasted:  sudo apt-get upgrade  into your terminal it would be interesting to see if the solution was that simple.

Be brave, go to your Menu, up to Accessories, and down to the Terminal.

1) First update by typing, or coping and pasting, into the Terminal this command:  sudo apt-get update

Then type in your password when instructed to do so.  Remember, you will not see your password that you are typing.

Now hit the Enter key once, and you'll update your computer.

2) Now type, or copy and paste, sudo apt-get upgrade  and hit Enter again.  If it offers you an upgrade, do it -- enter Y, or y, and hit your Enter key.

3) Now type, or copy and paste, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  and hit Enter.  It you are offered an upgrade, take it again.

Now  x out, or type exit, and hit the Enter key again.

That's it.  You're done! 

Better to spend a maximum of 5 minutes updating and upgrading, than an hour re-installing the darn program.  Who knows if any upgrade might help you here or not?  But, at this point, what do you have to lose?

You can do this, I'm sure.  ;)

Good luck,

perknh
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: AndyInMokum on November 05, 2014, 06:02:38 pm
Hi evie7 that's an excellent call from perknh.  This simple maintenance procedure can cure a myriad of ills in one go.  It is also a good idea to reboot your machine after a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.  Just in case there is a kernel update.  Good luck  ;).
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: PCNetSpec on November 05, 2014, 08:14:51 pm
If it's still slow after that, can you post the output from:
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inxi -F
remember, Linux commands ARE case sensitive .. so that's a capital F :)
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 01:01:29 pm
Hi You Guys,
2 months later...I guess I'm the one who's slow loading.  ::) Ok so my computer was apparently "good enough" after I last wrote to you, but it got steadily worse until today when I checked in and saw the update and upgrade suggestions. So I just did all that and it did not ask me to update or upgrade, but it did say that there were packages auto installed that were no longer required, linux headers blah, blah blah and to use apt-get autoremove. Should I  do that?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 02:12:13 pm
Ok, I also did inxi -F and here's what it said: eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: eve-Inspiron-910 Kernel: 3.13.0-44-generic i686 (32 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Five
Machine:   System: Dell (portable) product: Inspiron 910 version: A00
           Mobo: Dell model: CN0J14 version: A00 Bios: Dell version: A00 date: 08/05/2008
CPU:       Single core Intel Atom CPU N270 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3)
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1600.00 MHz 2: 1600.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           X.Org: 1.15.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1024x600@60.1hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 1.4 Mesa 10.1.3
Audio:     Card: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.13.0-44-generic
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: b43-pci-bridge
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:23:08:15:80:af
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:70:c2:80:c7
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 32.0GB (15.2% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: RunCore_SSD size: 32.0GB
Partition: ID: / size: 29G used: 4.6G (17%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 1.06GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 61.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 130 Uptime: 36 min Memory: 405.9/991.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.17
eve@eve-Inspiron-

Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 01, 2015, 04:03:28 pm
Hi evie7, Happy New Year!!  Yes it is good to do this.  Its just routine maintenance.  You can safely run these commands as part of a maintenance routine:
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apt clean && apt autoclean
and
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apt autoremove
For example I run them after a kernel update.  They keep things nice and tidy  ;).  Just out of curiosity as you may have built up a lot of redundant kernels.  What is the output from:
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dpkg -l | grep linux-image-3
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 04:17:25 pm
Thanks! Did all that and here's what it says:

eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ inxi -F
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System:    Host: eve-Inspiron-910 Kernel: 3.13.0-44-generic i686 (32 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Five
Machine:   System: Dell (portable) product: Inspiron 910 version: A00
           Mobo: Dell model: CN0J14 version: A00 Bios: Dell version: A00 date: 08/05/2008
CPU:       Single core Intel Atom CPU N270 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3)
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1600.00 MHz 2: 1600.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           X.Org: 1.15.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1024x600@60.1hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 1.4 Mesa 10.1.3
Audio:     Card: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.13.0-44-generic
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: b43-pci-bridge
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:23:08:15:80:af
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:70:c2:80:c7
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 32.0GB (15.2% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: RunCore_SSD size: 32.0GB
Partition: ID: / size: 29G used: 4.6G (17%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 1.06GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 61.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 130 Uptime: 36 min Memory: 405.9/991.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.17
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ ^C
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eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ sudo apt clean && apt autoclean
Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
[sudo] password for eve:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ sudo apt-get autoremove
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  linux-headers-3.13.0-29 linux-headers-3.13.0-29-generic
  linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic linux-image-extra-3.13.0-29-generic
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 222 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
(Reading database ... 254323 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing linux-headers-3.13.0-29-generic (3.13.0-29.53) ...
Removing linux-headers-3.13.0-29 (3.13.0-29.53) ...
Removing linux-image-extra-3.13.0-29-generic (3.13.0-29.53) ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-29-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-29-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-29-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
Generating grub configuration file ...
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-44-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-44-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-43-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-43-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-40-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-39-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
Removing linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic (3.13.0-29.53) ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-29-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-29-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-29-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
Generating grub configuration file ...
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-44-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-44-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-43-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-43-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-40-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-39-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
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eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ sudo dpkg -l | grep linux-image-3
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rc  linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic              3.13.0-29.53                         i386         Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP
ii  linux-image-3.13.0-39-generic              3.13.0-39.66                         i386         Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP
ii  linux-image-3.13.0-40-generic              3.13.0-40.69                         i386         Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP
ii  linux-image-3.13.0-43-generic              3.13.0-43.72                         i386         Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP
ii  linux-image-3.13.0-44-generic              3.13.0-44.73                         i386         Linux kernel image for version 3.13.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $
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Glad you know what this all means because I sure don't and I don't know what a kernel is either. Can I eat it?  :D
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 04:39:02 pm
Ok so I did that and rebooted. Websites and programs are still loading super slow ... It took two minutes for an email to open after I clicked on it...

Just curious, when I was looking at the Software Updater, I noticed that it searched for additional drivers and said that it has a Broadcom blah blah blah, but it says "this device is not working" and the button is checked for "do not use this device". Is that how it's supposed to be? 

Thanks! Eve
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: rjm65 on January 01, 2015, 05:24:26 pm
Ok so I did that and rebooted. Websites and programs are still loading super slow ... It took two minutes for an email to open after I clicked on it...

Just curious, when I was looking at the Software Updater, I noticed that it searched for additional drivers and said that it has a Broadcom blah blah blah, but it says "this device is not working" and the button is checked for "do not use this device". Is that how it's supposed to be? 

Thanks! Eve
Have you tried hooking the machine up direct to your router with a lan cable? If not I would try that first and see if your emails open faster and websites load faster...  If you find the lan cable is working great, and it slows down again when you connect via wifi then you have established that it is the wifi card that is the problem and not something else...  I would try hard wiring the machine to the router first and let us know what happens...  :)
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 01, 2015, 05:36:14 pm
Hi evie7.  I see that the output you returned is very long.  In future, could you please encapsulate long outputs with the Sp Spoiler function.  This is located just above the crying  :'( emoticon.  It makes it much easier for people to read and keeps things neat and tidy.  This time Iíve done this for you.  Thanks in advance ;). 

I suggest you wait for PCNetSpec to work his magic on your Broadcom Drivers.  In the meantime you can clean up your kernels further.  The Linux kernel is the heart of your system.  Everything else is built on top of it.  You only need one.  For practical purposes, it is good to keep the penultimate one as spare.  Just in case the current one presents issues.  You have five of them  :o.  Lets do some house keeping  :).  Run the following very long command to clean up three of them.

Tip:  Linux is case sensitive.  To reduce the possibility of typographical errors, please use the Code: [Select] function below to highlight the contents. Click on the centre mouse button/wheel while in the terminal window to paste the contents.

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apt remove --purge linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-29 linux-headers-3.13.0-29-generic linux-image-3.13.0-39-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-39 linux-headers-3.13.0-39-generic linux-image-3.13.0-40-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-40 linux-headers-3.13.0-40-generic 
If nothing else, it will give you back some space  ;).
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 06:32:01 pm
Ok, did that. Thanks! Now I know how to use that sp thingy!  :) here's what it said
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eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ sudo apt remove --purge linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-29 linux-headers-3.13.0-29-generic linux-image-3.13.0-39-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-39 linux-headers-3.13.0-39-generic linux-image-3.13.0-40-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-40 linux-headers-3.13.0-40-generic
[sudo] password for eve:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Package 'linux-headers-3.13.0-29' is not installed, so not removed
Package 'linux-headers-3.13.0-29-generic' is not installed, so not removed
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  linux-headers-3.13.0-39* linux-headers-3.13.0-39-generic*
  linux-headers-3.13.0-40* linux-headers-3.13.0-40-generic*
  linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic* linux-image-3.13.0-39-generic*
  linux-image-3.13.0-40-generic* linux-image-extra-3.13.0-39-generic*
  linux-image-extra-3.13.0-40-generic*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 445 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
(Reading database ... 224446 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing linux-headers-3.13.0-39-generic (3.13.0-39.66) ...
Removing linux-headers-3.13.0-39 (3.13.0-39.66) ...
Removing linux-headers-3.13.0-40-generic (3.13.0-40.69) ...
Removing linux-headers-3.13.0-40 (3.13.0-40.69) ...
Removing linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic (3.13.0-29.53) ...
Purging configuration files for linux-image-3.13.0-29-generic (3.13.0-29.53) ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-29-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-29-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
Removing linux-image-extra-3.13.0-39-generic (3.13.0-39.66) ...
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-39-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/pm-utils 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/update-notifier 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
Generating grub configuration file ...
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-44-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-44-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-43-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-43-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-40-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-39-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
Purging configuration files for linux-image-extra-3.13.0-39-generic (3.13.0-39.66) ...
Removing linux-image-3.13.0-39-generic (3.13.0-39.66) ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-39-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
Generating grub configuration file ...
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-44-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-44-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-43-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-43-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-40-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
Purging configuration files for linux-image-3.13.0-39-generic (3.13.0-39.66) ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-39-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-39-generic
Removing linux-image-extra-3.13.0-40-generic (3.13.0-40.69) ...
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-40-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/pm-utils 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/update-notifier 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
Generating grub configuration file ...
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-44-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-44-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-43-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-43-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-40-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
Purging configuration files for linux-image-extra-3.13.0-40-generic (3.13.0-40.69) ...
Removing linux-image-3.13.0-40-generic (3.13.0-40.69) ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-40-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
Generating grub configuration file ...
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-44-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-44-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-43-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-43-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
Purging configuration files for linux-image-3.13.0-40-generic (3.13.0-40.69) ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 3.13.0-40-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-40-generic
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $
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It's still slow, though after a reboot. Should I wait to see what PCNetSpec says about the broadcom drivers before trying the other suggestion above (that I should try a wired connection Thanks, Robert!)?
I really appreciate you guys going to all this trouble!  :)
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 01, 2015, 06:33:48 pm
What's the output from:
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dpkg -l | grep firmware
and
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dpkg -l | grep b43
and
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df -h

[EDIT]

As you seem to have an SSD, can you also post the output from:
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sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: rjm65 on January 01, 2015, 06:35:49 pm
andy if her emails and web pages are slow loading I don't think deleting kernels is going to help her out...  She has the same machine I do and my wifi works great, but PCNetSpec hooked me up with the proper driver for mine because p5 did not have the driver for it built in...
If you look at the inxi F on my machine card is identical....
http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,1325.0.html (http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,1325.0.html)
I would be willing to bet she has to install the same driver I did to get it to function properly... 
these are the instructions PCNetSpec gave to me to get mine working right...
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For Peppermint 5, connect to your router via an ethernet cable and run:
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sudo apt install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer firmware-b43legacy-installer linux-firmware-nonfree

wireless should work now.
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 06:50:54 pm
output #1:
Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ dpkg -l | grep firmware
ii  b43-fwcutter                               1:018-2                              i386         utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
ii  firmware-b43-installer                     1:018-2                              all          firmware installer for the b43 driver
ii  firmware-b43legacy-installer               1:018-2                              all          firmware installer for the b43legacy driver
ii  linux-firmware                             1.127.11                             all          Firmware for Linux kernel drivers
ii  linux-firmware-nonfree                     1.14ubuntu3                          all          Non-free firmware for Linux kernel drivers
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $
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output#2:
Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ dpkg -l | grep b43
ii  b43-fwcutter                               1:018-2                              i386         utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
ii  firmware-b43-installer                     1:018-2                              all          firmware installer for the b43 driver
ii  firmware-b43legacy-installer               1:018-2                              all          firmware installer for the b43legacy driver
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $
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output#3:
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eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1        29G  3.5G   24G  14% /
none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
udev            487M  4.0K  487M   1% /dev
tmpfs           100M 1016K   99M   2% /run
none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
none            496M   23M  474M   5% /run/shm
none            100M  8.0K  100M   1% /run/user
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $
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Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 01, 2015, 06:54:16 pm
Well we can try the wl wireless driver instead of b43, but I'm not sure this is going to help if EVERYTHING is slow .. or is it just the internet that's slow ?
(bearing in mind an Intel Atom N270 is never going to breath fire)

As you seem to have an SSD, what's the output (if any) from:
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sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 07:07:52 pm
I entered sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM in terminal and got nothing...

Seems like everything is slow, not just the internet... opening the software manager took a minute...
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 07:12:56 pm
Also, I did this a while back because I couldn't get a wifi connection:

sudo apt install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer firmware-b43legacy-installer linux-firmware-nonfree
 
and someone said to do it. Maybe it was you, Robert?

So that was already done?

Sorry if I'm confusing the matter...
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 01, 2015, 07:19:50 pm
The software manager has always been a slow program to load (though a minute is certainly excessive)  .. how about other apps ? .. and have they got slower over time or have they always been slow ?

SSD's that don't support TRIM will likely get slower (for write operations) over time, but there's nothing that can be done about it besides a secure erase/format/reinstall ... see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_%28computing%29
and
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_memory_cell_clearing
but BE AWARE a secure erase will COMPLETELY wipe the drive .. so don't do itt unless you plan on reinstalling from scratch.
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: rjm65 on January 01, 2015, 07:35:00 pm
Also, I did this a while back because I couldn't get a wifi connection:

sudo apt install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer firmware-b43legacy-installer linux-firmware-nonfree
 
and someone said to do it. Maybe it was you, Robert?

So that was already done?

Sorry if I'm confusing the matter...
No it wasn't me I only mentioned it today when I seen our machines were quite the same however i do not have an ssd drive I have a plain sata 160 gb drive...
I also complained about slowness on mine on bootup, but i got that down to about 50 seconds which i can live with, but you are right the machine does seem slow all around, compared to my asus eee which has the same processor and hard drive, the asus flies and the dell is just blah-zay at best....  Maybe its a dell issue with the linux kernel who knows...  but i know what you are saying about slowness, cause i am experiencing it also... 
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 07:51:03 pm
Yeah, now that I checked, other programs are loading about the same as they did. I guess it's just the internet? You said something about trying another driver instead?  Also, I am a technology savant  :-[ when you talk about an ssd not supporting trim yada yada, my eyes kinda glaze over. I did, however, all on my own somehow, replace the drive awhile back. I can't tell you how I did it, though. I can't explain why I love this little dell so. It's really weird, I know...Just tell me the truth, is it time to let her go?... :'(
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 01, 2015, 07:55:40 pm
Quote
I can't explain why I love this little dell so. It's really weird, I know...Just tell me the truth, is it time to let her go?

Not necessarily .. I have a bunch of netbooks, all of which also have Intel Atom N270 processors (same as yours), and I wouldn't be without them (in fact I'm answering you now on an Acer Aspire One) .. but just don't expect too much from them speed wise ;)

Anyway, we can try the wl drivers if you'd like ? .. but before we do, can you check if the internet is any quicker with a cabled connection ? .. if it isn't, then changing the wireless driver is not going to make a difference.

[EDIT]

It will also be a good idea to  see if just clearing your browser cache makes a difference .. which web browser are you using ? and I'll post instructions.

Quote
I did, however, all on my own somehow, replace the drive awhile back.

So this SSD is fairly new ?

Just to get an idea of the condition of your SSD, can you install smartmontools with this command:
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sudo apt-get install smartmontools
then post the output from:
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sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda

[EDIT 2]

It'd also be a good idea to run a file system check .. open a terminal and run:
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sudo touch /forcefsck
then REBOOT .. a file system check will automagically run during the reboot.
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 01, 2015, 07:56:23 pm
Hi Robert, Happy New Year mate  ;).  Yeh, I didn't think clearing the garbage out would do much.  I just saw from an earlier post that it maybe needed doing, so I though I'd help Evie do it anyway.  I'm really curious to see the outcome of this one though. 

Sorry Evie, I wasn't talking over your head, I'm just really interested to see your machine get up to speed - good luck  ;)!
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: rjm65 on January 01, 2015, 08:06:21 pm
Happy New Year to you to Andy, Yeah I am watching this one too... Hoping to gain a little insight on speeding it up a bit if it is possible, I know my asus is the same all around as my dell, except it has the 2 gig ram and the dell only has 1 gig...  I was going to upgrade the dell mini to 2 gig until i watched the video on how to do so, and i just laughed and said I'll live with 1 gig for now...  you have to remove the entire motherboard, and flip it over to replace the ram chip...  Dumb design, they could have easily put a cut out in the bottom of the machine, with a cover plate and screw, but they decided to make it impossible for joe average to upgrade his ram....
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 01, 2015, 10:06:03 pm
Ok you guys,
I'll let you know if the wired connection is better. I might have to do it tomorrow, though.  In the meantime here's what I got from smartmontools:
Spoiler (click here to view / hide)
Setting up smartmontools (6.2+svn3841-1.2) ...
Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-16) ...
eve@eve-Inspiron-910 ~ $ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [i686-linux-3.13.0-44-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     RunCore SSD
Serial Number:    321112310144
Firmware Version: AC013
User Capacity:    32,017,047,552 bytes [32.0 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
Local Time is:    Thu Jan  1 21:40:41 2015 EST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00)   Offline data collection activity
               was never started.
               Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)   The previous self-test routine completed
               without error or no self-test has ever
               been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:       (    0) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:           (0x1d) SMART execute Offline immediate.
               No Auto Offline data collection support.
               Abort Offline collection upon new
               command.
               Offline surface scan supported.
               Self-test supported.
               No Conveyance Self-test supported.
               No Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)   Saves SMART data before entering
               power-saving mode.
               Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x00)   Error logging NOT supported.
               General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   0) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   0) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x0000   006   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0000   167   018   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0000   215   008   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0000   023   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x0000   000   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0000   000   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0000   000   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0000   220   250   000    Old_age   Offline      -       42341
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0000   091   251   000    Old_age   Offline      -       25760
200 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0000   196   102   000    Old_age   Offline      -       772
201 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0000   043   101   000    Old_age   Offline      -       756
202 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0000   111   039   000    Old_age   Offline      -       183
203 Run_Out_Cancel          0x0000   052   178   000    Old_age   Offline      -       161
204 Soft_ECC_Correction     0x0000   000   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
205 Thermal_Asperity_Rate   0x0000   136   019   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
206 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0000   175   009   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
207 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0000   095   014   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
208 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0000   236   010   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
209 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0000   045   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
211 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   000   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
212 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   000   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
213 Unknown_Attribute       0x0000   000   000   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

Warning! SMART ATA Error Log Structure error: invalid SMART checksum.
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

Warning! SMART Self-Test Log Structure error: invalid SMART checksum.
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


Selective Self-tests/Logging not supported
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I also did the file system check and rebooted.

I think I know how to clear the the cache. Should I do that now?... it's chromium

Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 02, 2015, 04:30:06 pm
Hi You Guys,
Yeah, it's not the connection because a wired connection was still sloooooow.  So is my only option to start from scratch?
Could it be a problem with Chromium? It seems to me, in the cob-webbed corners of my mind,  that I read somewhere that one should only run Chromium with Peppermint, not Chrome, and trying to run it would mess it up even if you switched back. I think that happened to me because when I first installed Peppermint 5, I signed in to Google and it thought I meant Chrome but then I signed out because I remembered someone saying to only use Chromium.  If this is all duh and doesn't make sense, please remember that I can only act like I know even the slightest bit of this stuff and I do everything by feel... :-[
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 02, 2015, 04:41:10 pm
No that's simply not true .. Peppermint 5 is happy with either Chrome or Chromium (or indeed both, or any other browser).

Can't hurt to try Firefox though .. install it with:
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sudo apt-get install firefox flashplugin-installer
then see if Firefox is also slow.

If it ISN'T slow, we can try clearing the Chromium cache .. or you can stick with firefox

Or we can try clearing the Chromium cache first if you'd like ?
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 02, 2015, 04:57:57 pm
Just looking through posts about browsers, I see that there's this "qupzilla" ? I'm not attached to any particular browser. Should I try that one? If not , how do I clear the cache?
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 02, 2015, 05:01:07 pm
Have you installed any plugins in Chromium, or have you got any bookmarks/passwords you need to keep ?

The reason I ask is that instead of just clearing the cache we could just completely set it back to defaults ?
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 03, 2015, 09:35:05 am
Well, I cleared the cache and it's still slow. I'm gonna try firefox now. Stay tuned... :)
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: rjm65 on January 03, 2015, 09:54:36 am
I might add here that my mini is slow also, slower then it should be and I don't use anything but firefox...  I think there is an issue with these specific dells...
I had linux mint 17 on it first and it was so slow I ended up going with pep5...  Pep 5 is a little faster then mint 17 on it, but it still runs like the processor ain't up to full speed, even though it is showing it is running at the full 1666mhz, it feels like it is only running at half that speed or 800 mhz... 
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 03, 2015, 10:09:51 am
Hey You Guys!
I'm on firefox now and it is much faster! Go figure. I kinda hate how there's the firefox bar at the top that take a lot of space. Is there anything I should be aware of that's missing or different from chromium? I wonder if this qupzilla I read about would be faster still? Also, should I eliminate the chromium and if so please tell me how? Thanks!
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 03, 2015, 10:21:47 am
Hi evie7, that's great news, Firefox to the rescue!  Its really annoying how Chromium/Chrome goes like a fire breathing dragon on some systems and is as slow as a geriatric, three legged tortoise on others  ;D.  I use Qupzilla as my backup browser.  That is definitely a fire breathing dragon  :o.  It is also very light so, it doesn't have all the add ons and features that Firefox and Chromium/Chrome have.  Give it a go though.  Its in the repos:
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apt install qupzilla -y
Good luck  ;)!
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 03, 2015, 10:50:09 am
Ok, i'm gonna try qupzilla and I'll let you know what I think. How do I remove chromium? Is it sudo apt get-remove chromium? Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 03, 2015, 10:57:22 am
Hi evie7, to fully remove Chromium use the following command.
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apt remove --purge chromium-browser -y
Its not necessary to remove it to run other browsers though.  Good luck and have fun  ;)!!
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: evie7 on January 03, 2015, 11:33:26 am
Ok, qupzilla is definitely the fastest. What (add ons and features) won't run on it? I notice I'm not being told that I'm spelling something wrong as I'm typing this, and I was before. Is that something that can be fixed? Shoot, I really need it!  :D Also, I usually like to remove stuff I don't use, just to keep things tidy. Is there some reason I should keep chromium?
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: perknh on January 03, 2015, 11:33:55 am
Hello evie7 and AndyInMokum, may I share a alternative opinion?

evie7, do yourself a big favor, and don't remove Chromium.  Just don't use it! 

Now if you wan't to remove Chromium as a stand alone Menu item we can do that, but save yourself a lot of grief, by not removing Chromium browser from your system.  (I once insisted on removing Chromium with hardheaded determination.  PCNetSpec warned me that this was not a good idea, but I insisted, and I removed Chromium, and I had four-fifths an operating system when I was done!  >:(

Why leave Chromium?  Because it's tied in to a lot of processes that Peppermint uses.  If you remove Chromium you'll discover one day that this program doesn't work, or that program doesn't work, and then you'll realize you did all this damage to yourself, and your OS, by removing Chromium browser. 

But like I say, we can replace it's entry in your Menu, above Software Manager, if you'd like to see a different browser and icon listed there.

Here's what this procedure would consist of:

http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,869.msg7464.html#msg7464 (http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,869.msg7464.html#msg7464)

I do not know the commands to replace Chromium with Qupzilla -- because I never use Qupzilla.  But with a little experimentation -- and AndyInMokum's help -- we can find the right commands to replace Chromium and its icon as a standalone Menu item.

Of course if you're absolutely determined to remove Chromium browser from your system as I once was, well, give it a whirl.  This is how we learn Linux.  It's almost a rite of passage, I believe.  And AndyInMokum is both a Qupzilla user and a Qupzilla enthusiast.  He knows what he's doing.

Good luck with whatever you decide!  ;)

perknh

P.S.

I usually replace Chromium with Chrome browser.  Chrome is a heck of a lot nosier than Chromium browser, I admit that, but with few tweaks and add-ons, that problem can be solved.  And, although, I hate to admit it:  Chrome browser works better on my computers than Chromium -- don't ask me why.  But Firefox is getting better and better all of the time.  Firefox is a winner too.  But, contrary to popular belief, Firefox can be a nosy browser too.  Again, with add-ons and a few tweaks, Firefox will work just fine. 

I go back and forth between Chrome and Firefox -- using Chrome 90% of the time.  Now if you decide to get Chrome, use this link.  It's secure and stable:

https://www.google.com/chrome/ (https://www.google.com/chrome/)

Firefox you can get from your Software Manager.


Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: evie7 on January 03, 2015, 12:39:05 pm
Ok You Guys,
I'm keeping Chromium, Firefox and Qupzilla. I don't need to switch things around in the menu, it doesn't bother me that much...I think I'm all set! I might try Chrome one day, but right now I'm diggin Qupzilla. Feels like old times. I'll mark this as solved. Thanks again you guys!  :-* ;) :)
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 03, 2015, 12:58:45 pm
I'm really happy it helped you out  :).  If and when you want to try Google Chrome, just let us know and we will walk you through it - its very easy to do too.  I've got a pre-made set of instructions saved  ;).  What I meant about Qupzilla is that is doesn't have all the add ons and extensions that Chromium/Chrome and Firefox have.  If you like it nice and simple though, Qupzilla will do the job - pronto  ;). 
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: nomko on January 03, 2015, 02:51:43 pm

Why leave Chromium?  Because it's tied in to a lot of processes that Peppermint uses. 

And in which processes Chromium ties into?? Please provide with any examples/proof to substantiate your opinion!
Don't you think that if this is true what you say here, that Chromium would be installed by default rather than Firefox?
Chromium is a stand-alone package not even tied into any Linux process whatsoever. It will install some dependencies, but there are hundred more applications installing missing dependencies!

Would like to see some examples..
Title: Re: Slow Loading
Post by: nomko on January 03, 2015, 02:52:52 pm
Ok, qupzilla is definitely the fastest. What (add ons and features) won't run on it? I notice I'm not being told that I'm spelling something wrong as I'm typing this, and I was before. Is that something that can be fixed? Shoot, I really need it!  :D Also, I usually like to remove stuff I don't use, just to keep things tidy. Is there some reason I should keep chromium?

Before keeping any stuff, just a question for you: when did you noticed this slow loading? right from the beginning (after installing PM) or after installing an application?
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 03, 2015, 03:21:11 pm
Hi nomko, Chromium or Google Chrome is needed for Peppermint's own little package, Ice to function.  This in-house piece of software is needed to create the web-centric SSBs.  These make Peppermint unique from other Linux distributions.  So Chromium/Chrome is tied into a Linux application.  See Chapter 5 (http://peppermintos.com/guide/ice/) of the Peppermint User's Guide.  Chromium IS the default browser of Peppermint exactly for this reason.  There is the option to run Ice with Google Chrome if wanted.  Many people, myself included wish Mozilla would resurrect the Prism project that was their own version of the SSB.  For the moment, we are reliant on Chromium and Chrome for our SSB functionality.
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 03, 2015, 03:50:37 pm
OK, ENOUGH.....

nomko, you're making little sense AGAIN .. Chromium *IS* the default browser in Peppermint for this very reason (not Firefox).

Quote from: nomko
Chromium is a stand-alone package not even tied into any Linux process whatsoever. It will install some dependencies, but there are hundred more applications installing missing dependencies!

Whilst you're not entirely wrong with that statement, dependencies are a two way street .. in Peppermint 4 removing chromium would also uninstall Ice as Chromium was flagged as a dependency for Ice.
Whilst this is no longer the case (chromium is no longer flagged as an Ice dependency in the Ice control file), SSB's created with Ice will NOT function unless Chromium (or Chrome where the SSB's were created for Chrome) is installed .. so perknh was NOT wrong, uninstalling Chromium WILL break some things in Peppermint (pre-Installed SSB's for one, Ice for another in all Peppermint versions except One and Five).

Do you even use Peppermint ? .. I find it difficult to believe you'd thinks Firefox was the default browser (Firefox has not been the default browser since Peppermint One), and appear to know nothing of Ice (the app that makes Peppermint unique) and it's dependence on Chromium (and/or Chrome in Peppermint 5) even if the dependency is no longer literally enforced by the packages DEBIAN/control file.

I'm finding your attitude and mannerisms highly inflammatory towards myself, our moderators, and anyone else you decide to take a dig at .. you seem to have a need to put others down as you make a post thinking it makes you look more knowledgeable (?), then think a "no offence meant" will suffice.

I'll let you into a secret .. nothing annoys me more than people who say things like "no disrespect, but....." and then immediately go on to show disrespect .. you're falling VERY close to this kind of behaviour.

 I WILL NOT have responses like yours making people feel uncomfortable about helping others on this forum, or questioning why they bother.

By all means question someone else response if/when it's potentially harmful or plain wrong .. but there are ways to do this without being confrontational

I'd suggest you treat this as a warning .. because it's most definitely meant as one.
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: evie7 on January 03, 2015, 05:08:26 pm
Hi!
Something is weird now. I opened my gmail and there's a message at the top saying that this version of Safari is no longer supported. Should I just ignore it? Qupzilla seems to run fine...
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: nomko on January 03, 2015, 05:22:52 pm
OK, ENOUGH.....
Really?


Quote from: nomko
Chromium is a stand-alone package not even tied into any Linux process whatsoever. It will install some dependencies, but there are hundred more applications installing missing dependencies!

Whilst you're not entirely wrong, dependencies are a two way street .. in Peppermint 4 removing chromium would also uninstall Ice as Chromium was flagged as a dependency for Ice.
Ahhh... you made my point here! Somehow someone decided that Chromium has to be made a dependency of Ice...or visa versa.  And i was not talking about Chrome/Chromium as a dependency of any package! I responded to a phrase of somebody else saying that Chromium was tied into lots of processes which really doesn't make any sense and isn't based on truth either since neither Chrome or Chromium ties into lots of processes. 

And yes, i do run PM, but in a virtualbox environment. And yes i was pleased to see that PM doesn't use Firefox as default browser since Ff turned into a bloated piece of software.

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I'm finding your attitude and mannerisms highly inflammatory towards myself, our moderators, and anyone else you decide to take a dig at .. you seem to have a need to put others down as you make a post thinking it makes you look more knowledgeable (?), then think a "no offence meant" will suffice.

I'll let you into a secret .. nothing annoys me more than people who say things like "no disrespect, but....." and then immediately go on to show disrespect .. you're falling VERY close to this kind of behaviour.
Sounds more like you talking about yourself PCNetSPec! So you be warned too!
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: perknh on January 03, 2015, 05:45:45 pm
Hello evie7,

Is it an ad?  Have you been writing to a relative or friend about Apple, or Safari lately?

Because if this was an ad, you can go into Gmail's settings (at the gear), and on the first page you can go to Importance signals for ads -- in order to change your preferences.  Now that will help if this was an advertisement, but, occasionally, strange, and even creepy, advertisements can still show up within Gmail.

My next suggestion, especially if this was an ad, would be to go to the Chrome apps store and install AdBlock.   Then go to Options, and  then Filters, within AdBlock, and just check EasyList and EasyPrivacy.  Then you should be pretty well protected.

But if you think Peppermint OS is as as cool as I do, let Peppermint domain through.  Peppermint's ads are both informative and entertaining -- and very harmless.

As for that message, don't deal directly with the message.  Instead try doing what I suggest above and then reboot your computer.  That way you can tell Safari to go on a permanent Safari!  ;D
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: AndyInMokum on January 03, 2015, 05:55:21 pm
Hi evie7, as I said I only ever use Qupzilla as my backup browser.  Well I just tried it for the first time since the last update on 13thDec 2014.  I do get the same message as you but Qupzilla just crashes on me after a few seconds in Gmail.  I can't find anything relating to this with a web search either.  Try what perknh suggests.  That may solve it.  Good luck  ;).
Title: Re: Slow Loading (SOLVED)
Post by: PCNetSpec on January 03, 2015, 06:21:24 pm
Whilst I have no experience of Qupzilla, I'm guessing it's built on the same backend as safari so identifies itself as safari in the user agent string.

[EDIT]

Yes I'm right .. here's the user agent string for Qupzilla 1.6 (in 64bit Linux):
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.21 (KHTML, like Gecko) QupZilla/1.6.4 Safari/537.21

Maybe there's a user agent string changer for Qupzilla ?

According to one of the comments here:
http://blog.qupzilla.com/2013/04/qupzilla-142-released.html
the user agent string can be changed to tell the website you're running Firefox with User Agent Switcher .. whether this will help with Gmail is anyones guess