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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2014, 08:34:23 pm »
iamesperambient, I apologize if I'm out of place here, and disregard this post if unhelpful.  I'm not deeply involved in this tread, and I use a Toshiba C-70 laptop instead of a Dell desktop.  But both PCNetSpec and rjm65 have helped me a lot.  And I have to say this about Ubuntu's Unity 12.04.  If this is what PCNetSpec is referring to, I have to say it has a lot less adware than 14.04.  But I say this with a caveat. 12.04 is good through and including 12.04.4.  But beware of Ubuntu's Unity 12.04.5.

Ubuntu is pushing 12.04.5 pretty hard right now, and Ubuntu touts an improved kernel with the 12.04.5 upgrade, but there's a catch:  Once you have 12.04.5, it will start pushing you to make a dist-upgrade to Unity's adware-laden 14.04.  I say user beware with Unity's 12.04.5 as well as for Unity's 14.04.  Unity is a great idea that has become pathetic experience with 14.04.  And It's a shame, because it's working with such a great idea.  Hopefully, when the day comes, 16.04 will have listened to its user base that has become disgusted with Unity's 14.04 adware-ladden DE.  All Unity has done with 14.04 LTS has unify the Ubuntu community against Unity 14.04 LTS -- nothing more.

Lubuntu 14.04 is much lighter and cleaner than Unity 14.04.

What I have just shared here has been an observation of mine, and I hope not too much of a distraction from your needs and concerns.  But, if you will have the hardware for it, Ubuntu's Unity 12.04.4 still rocks.  Just be careful if you decide to dist-upgrade to 12.04.5.  The powers to be at Unity 14.04 are jonesing for more users, and dist-upgrading to 12.04.5 may be more of a parlor trick than anything else.
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2014, 09:44:49 pm »
not bad would some mind giving me a list of a few models for reference
than when i have the money i can see where their available (as ebay may expire or sell by the time i do).
thanks again!!! the first one is more along the lines of what im looking for i think.

Not me .. if you ask when you're ready, and post links to what you're thinking about buying, I'll try to diiscoverany known issues with the hardware.

Show me two, and I'll tell you which is technically superior...

But don't ask me to suggest a purchase .. I'm not getting the blame or feeling guilty if/when you decide you don't like it, or something doesn't work .. I'm afraid the purchasing decision is yours ;)
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2014, 10:05:19 pm »
i honestly  really want the original dell i posted it seems ok with peppermint correct? so maybe i will just go with the original plan.
its such a good price for a brand new desktop with monitor. and i like the small size as well.
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2014, 10:13:24 pm »

any info on this hp?
HP 110z Desktop PC
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2014, 10:16:21 pm »
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/DT.SVPAA.001

or this???

i still would prefer the dell honestly but im worried it will not work properly
with peppermint 5 :/
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2014, 10:29:32 pm »
actually im really liking this
http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-20-3043-aio/pd?ref=PD_Family
i din't realize it was an actual desktop like imac with everything connected
i thought it was a laptop. if this will work....i think this is the best one for my needs.
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2014, 05:49:06 am »
Dell PC's are *usually* pretty good for Ubuntu compatibility as they offer Ubuntu as an option in some countries.

See here:
http://liliputing.com/2014/06/dell-inspiron-20-one-desktop-essentially-big-windows-tablet.html
and here:
http://www.tumblr.com/search/Dell+Inspiron+20+3000+Series+AiO
which both suggest Dell are/were planning on an Ubuntu option for some markets.

Again, there are no guarantees here .. so ring Dell and ask them if it'll run Ubuntu 14.04, being one of the few manufacturers that actually sell systems with Ubuntu I'd assume they'd be able to answer that.
(also ask them if it'll recognise a USB keyboard if attached, and if the UEFI/BIOS will be accessible from it .. the only thing I can see in the spec that's got me wondering is the bluetooth keyboard and whether that needs drivers loading before it becomes active, which may make *installing* difficult .. if you get my drift)
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2014, 09:26:30 am »
Dell OptiPlex 3011 looks like something like this is my best option.
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2014, 09:34:43 am »
not many options that are certified for the newest ubuntu
i actually looked that those other dells ya it does seem like a big tablet
so i suppose this is my best option with in my price range
HP Pavilion Slimline 400-034 Desktop PC
does anyone know in general is this are decent (long lasting any issues
not with running ubuntu but in general?).
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2014, 01:47:56 pm »
Hello iamesperambient,

I know that in the past, Linux, in general, has had compatibility issues with hardware that was made exclusively for Windows -- like with printers, or USB keyboards, for instance.

And I can see what is meant by possible lack of support for 14.04.  What a difference between the numbers of the 12.04 LTS release and the 14.04 LTS release.  There is either a very slow process of obtaining certification, or there is not much enthusiasm for the 14.04 LTS release amongst manufacturers -- maybe because of users complaints. 

Each new release of Ubuntu brings exciting new hardware to Ubuntu users. Take a look at Certified hardware by release.*

Release    Desktops    Laptops
14.04 LTS    11                 5
12.04 LTS    212               497

*Source:  http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/

This is why PCNetSpec's idea of calling Dell is such good idea.  I don't know how frequently Ubuntu updates hardware lists that are compatible with 14.04, but I figure they are always a little behind hardware development.  The Linux/Ubuntu department at Dell should be happy to answer Ubuntu related questions for you -- I hope!  (There's always a Linux geek in every crowd -- or at least there should be!)  I suspect that if 12.04 will work on the computer of your choice, 14.04 will work too, but I'd certainly ask.  After all there are some differences in the software.

It's tough and stressful buying a new computer, and then wondering if Linux, and particularly Ubuntu 14.04, will run well on it.  Will there be good sound?   Will it overheat?   Will my printers, or my scanners, continue to function properly?

Chances are you won't have a heat problem with a desktop computer.  But I'm following what you're writing now, because the next computer that I buy for myself will be one that is compatible with Ubuntu.  (I figure if it's compatible with Ubuntu it will be compatible with Peppermint too.)

I haven't looked at your HP link yet, but if I were you, I'd give both companies a call, and, if need be, ask to be transferred to somebody who knows some of the answers to your concerns.  Write your concerns down on paper so you won't go blank with talking to the sales reps.  You can always ask to speak with a supervisor, or their technical department, if you feel you're not making any progress.  Sometimes later at night gets you more Asian support, and sometimes that is helpful.  Just keep focused on Ubuntu 14.04 -- because that's where we're at now.  We're under the Trusty Tahr umbrella with Peppermint 5 too.  Just watch how many times you see the word Trusty when we update in Peppermint 5!

Many of us, I"m sure, are curious how this is going to play out for you.  Sooner or later, I'll have to do the same things -- meaning the homework -- that you are doing now.  We all will -- sooner or later!

Please keep us posted.  iamesperambient, you're plugging along in the right direction!  ;)

perknh

P.S.

Here's an interesting site where they say you can build your own Linux Desktop computer.  Notice that 14.04 LTS is not included in the lineup.  But at least this gives us some clues as to what to look for within a computer that will have Linux installed.  I wonder if you could buy a custom-built computer from Dell or HP that has no OS installed.  Look at what Eight Virtues is asking you to select, and then you ask Dell if they can give you a computer with these components.  I know this is complicated but it may us all some clues as to what to look for in a Linux computer.

http://www.eightvirtues.com/about.html

Source: http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/09/7-providers-of-pre-installed-linux.html

Note that one commenter had harsh words for LinPC.  This fellow doesn't sound like a happy camper.
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2014, 08:44:44 pm »
so when i call dell what should i ask them just if this model will run the newest version of ubuntu and if it will have any issues?
i will call them tomorrow once i know exactly what to ask thats a lot for the tips  :D
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2014, 08:50:19 pm »
can anyone recommend an older model desktop that usually sells for 150-300 in the usa
that would work/run peppermint five? i was thinking maybe i should just get a newer laptop
with bigger storage that runs the new ubuntu and buy a docking station for it and just
hook it up to my monitor with a usb mouse and keyboard like i have now its not the worst
set up. Actually can anyone tell me if its possible to replace the caddy i nmy dell latitude d630
with a hard drive instead of disk drive one i can interchange and almost use it as external storage
i watched a video 'living in linux' where a guy used my exactly laptop with linux and said you could
but no idea how and what kind of drive i would need. Maybe for now i could do this for more storage too?
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Re: Saving for a brand new desktop pc.
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2014, 09:31:03 pm »
this is on the list of ubuntu certified
for 14.04 LTS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-slimline-desktop-4gb-memory-500gb-hard-drive/5815013.p?id=1219194065871&skuId=5815013&st=hp%20desktop%20slimline&cp=1&lp=1
can check this one out for me its in my price range and i think it would fit the bill it everything worked ok, and i was able to hook it up to my current
envison monitor (would also save me money not having to get a new one) please let me know if this has any known issues. thanks all!
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