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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2019, 06:51:30 pm »
Responsibility must rest with Canonical though, one of two things happened here

a) it was an internal discussion that wasn't fully developed .. well it shouldn't have been posted publicly then (but sh*t happens I guess).

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b) It was a decision that was meant to be public but wasn't thought through and/or wasn't presented well (and continues not to be).

In either case, the furore was understandable and justified as it would have negatively affect so many (as it was initially presented) .. I repeat, this was not just about 32bit PC's and/or games, it would have been MUCH bigger than that (again as initially presented).

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I'd also hope (but could be wrong) that Valve wouldn't have publicly reacted as they did without first having contacted Canonical for clarification .. so you have to wonder what was said (if indeed they were asked) ?

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Anyway, let's hope it all gets sorted positively now.

to be continued (no doubt)...
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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2019, 07:06:09 pm »
I think it may have been exacerbated by timing .. it seemed to hit the fan just as the weekend started, so maybe there was simply nobody around to manage the situation or clarify the official position ?

But again that's a management issue no matter how you cut it. You can't just leak that you're possibly gonna kill up to half of everyone's hardware, half their legacy/bespoke software, and 80% (?) of their games then go on holiday :)
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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2019, 07:16:10 pm »
I'd also hope (but could be wrong) that Valve wouldn't have publicly reacted as they did without first having contacted Canonical for clarification .. so you have to wonder what was said (if indeed they were asked) ?

I wouldn't count on that, considering the circumstances that led to Steam for Linux in the first place. There was a chance that Steam might not work correctly in Windows 8, so they started porting the whole thing to Linux. Not that I'm complaining, that was one of the best decisions in the history of decisions. I'm just saying it wouldn't have happened without a (possible) overreaction by Valve.

Though, I can see why they'd be pissed if Canonical did make such a move, since they're fully invested in Linux now. They keep developing Proton, which is their own compatibility layer for running Windows games in Linux. They don't want their work to be for nothing and their major Linux user base be left without a way to play. So, realistically, Valve is just looking out for their customers, (and their profits) as they've done in the past.

With radical decisions like this and the decision to start moving to Snaps, I wouldn't be surprised if Ubuntu winds up getting forked. It's certainly happened in the past to distributions that haven't looked out for their users' best interests. Remember Mandriva back in the day? They fired all of their key people and started releasing a distribution that was a shell of what it used to be. So, those key people forked it and formed Mageia. If anybody currently in the game is going to successfully fork them, my money is on Mint. They have a better track record of looking out for their users. (Cinnamon/MATE) But, we'll see.
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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2019, 07:19:33 pm »
An interesting supposition, but I doubt Mint currently have the manpower, money, or infrastructure .. that said, if Canonical did totally kill 32bit support, investment may have been forthcoming from affected commercial entities (but more likely IMHO they'd simply switch to redhat/debian) .. but who knows.
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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2019, 07:29:18 pm »
Yeah, that's the biggest hurdle. They could also start a nonprofit. That's been done before as people have banded behind software and operating systems they wanted to keep. Mageia is funded by a nonprofit. So is Blender.

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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2019, 07:30:57 pm »
Yep, stranger things have happened in the wonderful world of open source :)
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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2019, 08:01:13 pm »
Okay here's why Ubuntu's response of freezing the 32bit support libs from 18.04 and using them in >= 19.10 probably won't work .. from the wine devs mailing list:
https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2019-June/147869.html

Again making me think this was a rushed response.
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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2019, 08:22:35 pm »
I think the main issue isn't what they're going to do for 19.10. The make or break moment is going to be 20.04. 19.10 is a "testing" release, though some users don't seem to understand that. People act like they have to have the answers come October or the world will end. No, they have that release to tinker with stuff and the  another six months to get it right for the next LTS.

So, in my humble opinion, the biggest issue is still people overreacting on the Internet. They're forcing the rushed responses from Canonical.

Also, I'd like to point out once more that there are 64-bit only distributions that still have 32-bit libs for stuff like gaming. Solus is a great example. Solus is independent, which is why I picked them. They have only a 64-bit . iso, yet they have 32-bit stuff in their repositories. Wine, Steam, all of that works with Solus. Their NVIDIA driver installer gives you the option to install the 32-bit NVIDIA libs. There's no reason Canonical can't do the same. Will they? That remains to be seen.

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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2019, 11:52:26 pm »
But the point is currently they're suggesting not .. their latest response is they'll be keeping the 32bit libs frozen at those in 18.04, this will not work as there will be a mismatch between their versions and the 64bit libs in 19.10 (and 20.04) .. as I (and apparently the wine devs) understand it they'll either have to maintain a version match or they may as well not bother at all.

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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2019, 07:39:09 am »
You know, I haven't tried Fedora in ages...

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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2019, 08:10:18 am »
You should take a look at openSUSE Tumbleweed too, if you havn't recently.

I am liking the KDE version right now

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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2019, 08:13:40 am »
I downloaded OpenSUSE Leap last week, but it was too big to put on the flash drive I was trying to use.  ::)

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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2019, 08:21:22 am »
I used the net install edition - takes longer to install but you end up completely uptodate
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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2019, 08:55:35 am »
I used the net install edition - takes longer to install but you end up completely uptodate

I thought about doing that. Do they let you pick your desktop? I seem to remember OpenSUSE coming with multiple options, that's why the .iso is so large.

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Re: 32 bit Petition
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2019, 09:24:19 am »
Yes, it's part of the install process but I think you might only get a choice of Gnome or KDE unless there was an "other" option - to be honest I never really looked further than KDE on the installer
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