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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2019, 01:45:31 pm »
Notice I never said Lubuntu, cause they have a different mind set altogether.  ;D

Well they used to have, but haven't you noticed that the Lubuntu ISO has very nearly doubled in size between 16.04 and 19.04
(now being the same size as Xubuntu 19.04, and considerably larger than Xubuntu 18.04)

16.04 = 840MB
19.04 = 1.5GB
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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2019, 01:51:58 pm »
Well they used to have, but haven't you noticed that the Lubuntu ISO has very nearly doubled in size between 16.04 and 19.04
(now being the same size as Xubuntu 19.04, and considerably larger than Xubuntu 18.04)

16.04 = 840MB
19.04 = 1.5GB


So maybe I should say, that Lubuntu, will probably be in the mix for the DVD 4.7 size of ISO. ;D Could added security be the key to the size increase, in the Kernel? But then again the last Kernel I looked at only came in at 70MB and that was in 2011, though cannot find out how big the new Kernel 5.0 is.
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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2019, 03:17:28 pm »
No.

16.04 saw Lubuntu @ 840MB and Xubuntu @ 1.2GB

18.04 saw Lubuntu (still LXDE) @ 1.0GB and Xubuntu @ 1.3GB

18.10 saw Lubuntu (now LXQt) @ 1.6GB and Xubuntu @ 1.4GB

19.04 sees Lubuntu (LXQt) @ 1.5GB and Xubuntu @ 1.5GB

So though you saw a steady growth in the size of Xubuntu it was fairly slow and consistent .. Lubuntu on the other hand jumped in size MASSIVELY as they switched to LXQt
(they both have the same kernel, so that's not it)

What changed was Gtk --> Qt .. and Ubiquity --> Calamares.



Sources:
http://gb.cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases
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http://gb.cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases
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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2019, 12:35:09 am »


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It's just a budget Toshiba, two years old, integrated graphics. I upgraded the ram to 8gig.

That's more than enough to run Peppermint on. I run "old school" hardware only with a max RAM of 3GB and everything works perfectly, day after day.

I agree, I'm sure it will be fine. It's in the same range as Lubuntu which runs fine on my laptop. If I wait for Peppermint 10, then I'll keep playing with Mint Mate and MX 18.

FYI: I moved to MX Linux 18.2 (from Lubuntu). I was going to wait until Peppermint 10, and keep playing with both. But, I figured it would be a "grass is always greener" thing no matter which I chose. So, I'm going to use MX at least till Peppermint 10 is released. Maybe get 6 months on MX, then 6 months on Peppermint. It would be good to have more experience with more distros (after 4-5 years on Lubuntu.).

I really like MX. It's fast and clean, but polished too. I had a post-install GRUB/UEFI problem. I think it's specific to my computer's firmware. I got good support (as I'm sure I would here). MX doesn't have as many apps in their repository as Ubuntu. But, it has everything I need. It has a cool backup-as-ISO tool. (You can take a snapshot of your home directory and boot that. I haven't used it yet. It sounds good.).

So, Peppermint eventually. A few months probably. I'll have a better perspective than just coming to it from Lubuntu.


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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2019, 02:53:07 am »
No.

16.04 saw Lubuntu @ 840MB and Xubuntu @ 1.2GB

18.04 saw Lubuntu (still LXDE) @ 1.0GB and Xubuntu @ 1.3GB

18.10 saw Lubuntu (now LXQt) @ 1.6GB and Xubuntu @ 1.4GB

19.04 sees Lubuntu (LXQt) @ 1.5GB and Xubuntu @ 1.5GB

So though you saw a steady growth in the size of Xubuntu it was fairly slow and consistent .. Lubuntu on the other hand jumped in size MASSIVELY as they switched to LXQt
(they both have the same kernel, so that's not it)

What changed was Gtk --> Qt .. and Ubiquity --> Calamares.



Sources:
http://gb.cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases
and
http://gb.cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases

 :o Just goes to show even the tiniest of changes, can impact the overall size and I thought that Lxqt was lighter? But also Calamares installer must be pretty big too? I'm not a fan of the Calamares, cause you have to change twice, which hard drive you want the grub image to write to, or partition and many a time I have made that mistake, where it's over written the wrong drive.  :(
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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2019, 04:23:18 am »
I really like MX. It's fast and clean, but polished too.

I'll not argue with that, as a few others have said before me "If Peppermint ceased to exist, my next choice would highly likely be MX" :)

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In reality if Peppermint ceased to exist, I'd just make Spearmint/DoubleMint :)
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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2019, 04:40:20 am »
I really like MX. It's fast and clean, but polished too.

I'll not argue with that, as a few others have said before me "If Peppermint ceased to exist, my next choice would highly likely be MX" :)

[EDIT]

In reality if Peppermint ceased to exist, I'd just make Spearmint/DoubleMint :)

I have used MX in the past also and I can without a doubt say, that it is my no2 Distro. Wasn't Garth meant to make  Spearmint? ;D
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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2019, 04:44:43 am »
Well he said so, but I don't think he was ever actually serious.

Or maybe he just knew his Arch-mint simply wouldn't stack up :))
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Re: LXDE future? [SOLVED]
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2020, 04:40:45 pm »
FYI: I moved to MX Linux 18.2 (from Lubuntu). I was going to wait until Peppermint 10, and keep playing with both. But, I figured it would be a "grass is always greener" thing no matter which I chose. So, I'm going to use MX at least till Peppermint 10 is released. Maybe get 6 months on MX, then 6 months on Peppermint. It would be good to have more experience with more distros (after 4-5 years on Lubuntu.).

...

So, Peppermint eventually. A few months probably. I'll have a better perspective than just coming to it from Lubuntu.

FYI: I have a new laptop and intend to switch to Peppermint 10 from MX Linux 18.2. (Refresher: Last April I was on Lubuntu, reached the point that I had to finally install the LXQT version. That felt different enough that I thought I might as well do something truly different. I had narrowed my choices to Peppermint or MX. Peppermint 9 was about to be superseded by 10. instead of waiting, I decide to get started with MX. I've liked MX very much. But, the new laptop creates the opportunity to give Peppermint an equal chance.)

The new laptop is an Acer Aspire 5 with AMD Ryzen 3 3200u (A515-43-R19L, $320 USD on Amazon). I've read a few people successfully installed Linux. (The only thing people had trouble with is that secure boot won't remain disabled unless a bios password is set.).

That's a lot of power for the money. The CPU in the Toshiba Satellite C55-B I'm using now (and did the distro comparisons earlier in this thread) is benchmarked "965." The Ryzen 3 is "4570." So, I have no reason to be oriented toward lightweight distros. But, I've never been a big eye-candy person. I'd rather run leaner even if I don't have to.

I may redo the distro comparisons, but this time installing to the computer. (Either the new Acer, or the old Toshiba).

I'll post something when I'm officially a Pepperminter.  (I've definitely liked MX 18.2. If I hadn't been torn between it an Peppermint, I probably would never change. Just recently I was thinking how I never fulfilled my pledge to use Peppermint. It seemed like a good time to get a new laptop (instead of waiting for my budget Toshiba to die, and then be in a hurry to pick a new one). That Ryzen 3 looked like a good value. Now seemed like a good time.