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is that normal? 13 hours to format that?
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I wouldn't have expected so, and it may not actually have taken that long .. that's purely an educated guess by the OS as it starts.

That said, writing 256GB over USB .. maybe.

I don't understand why you'd not want to leave your PC on for 13 hours though .. it's not the amount of time a PC runs that wears them out, in most cases constant power cycling wears them out faster .. where they get hot and expand, then cool and contract, etc .. kinda like bending a paperclip back and forth ;)
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its more im scared i can't monitor whats going in case of an error i'd wake and it would have gotten some kind of error.
I like to monitor anything that goes on like this, but i can't sit here for 13 hours hahaha. For now i'll use it in FAT
and ill wake up tomorrow and start it early and let it go through out the day and see what happens.
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Format it as NTFS, but choose the "quick" method then ;)
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i tried that :( but it gets an error and doesn't work
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the only thing that seems to work is formatting it back to FAT for whatever reason.
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ive tried everything to quick format to ntfs fat32/exfat its all so slow, it almost makes this drive useless.
is there another way i can quick format this???
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Nope .. as I said, writing 256GB over USB is going to be slow .. even slower if it's in a USB 1.1 port as opposed to a USB 2.0 port.
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I believe its a 2.0 port and i thought that was slow could not image 1.0 (didnt even know there was anything lower than 2.0).
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Oh yes...

USB 1.0 (and 1.1) has a full bandwidth maximum throughput signalling rate of 12 Mbit/s

USB 2.0 has a theoretical maximum of 480 Mbit/s but due to bus access constraints is actually more like 280 Mbit/s

So do the maths :)

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I think I did the math correctly I used my head though and it is morning and I am not done with my coffee so there may be margin for error...  at 12mbit/s he claims it needs 13 hours to format, I figure if it was usb 2.0 at 280mbit/s 13 hours would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 to 45 minutes for usb 2.0.... a savings of over 12 hours if he would just go to another machine that has usb 2.0 and format it on another machine...  ;)
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1 GB (GigaBytes) = 8000Mb (MegaBits)

so a 256GB adapter = 2048000Mb

So by my maths USB 1.0 = Just over 47 hours (256 X 8000 / 12 /60 /60) .. ouch  :o

USB 2.0 if it achieved it's maximum throughput continuously) = just over 2 hours (256 X 8000 / 280 /60 /60)
(the rest being a limitation of the controller buitl into the device .. or the fact that 13 hours is a *guess* by the OS based on how long it takes to format the first few sectors .. this will of course be updated on the fly)

So I'm guessing he's on USB 2.0

But maybe I'm doing ti all wrong (?)
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The biggest usb chip I own is 16 gig and it only takes a few seconds using the fast format method... so if he has usb 2 like i have, and i round up and say 5 seconds for 16 gig, that would 10 seconds for a 32 gig, and 20 seconds for a 64 gig, about 40 seconds for a 128 gig, and about 80 seconds for a 256 gig, of course this is the fast format method....  ;)
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That's with the fast format .. which only overwites the partition "map", not the data itself.

I'm guessing it needs to do a complete format to go from exFAT to some other file system .. which means writing to the WHOLE drive.
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